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#1: Feb 28th 2023 at 8:38:14 AM

The problem: Tuft of Head Fur is defined as when a character has a tuft of head fur that is meant to distinguish them in some way. Per the description:

This can be used to make the animal look like it has hair, simply to distinguish it against other individuals without giving it an accessory to wear, or to just break up what could be an otherwise plain silhouette.

Unfortunately, as with many tropes about appearance, many examples skimp out on context. They often simply say a character has a Tuft of Head Fur, without explaining why this is significant. I found this trope after repeatedly clicking on "Random Trope" and immediately noticed problems. I subsequently decided to do a wick check to see what the usage looked like.

Wick check: Link here, but here's the quick results:

  • 10/50 examples gave an actual reason for why a character has a tuft of head fur, or 20%
  • 37/50 examples just mentioned a character having a tuft of head fur with no other context, or 74%
  • 2/50 examples were unclear, or 4%, and
  • 1/50 examples were unclassifiable, or 2%

Wick analysis: So, as mentioned, most examples skimped out on context. While there were a number of examples that actually gave context as to the significance of the tuft of head fur, most didn't, simply saying "this character has this" or "these characters have this". Of the ones that did have context, the actual reasons given for why a character had a tuft of head fur were all over the place, but usually it was to make a character distinct appearance-wise from other characters—that concept may be salvageable.

Possible solution: So since 10/50 examples were correct, I propose keeping the meaningful Tuft of Head Fur examples with the (new) name Meaningful Tuft Of Head Fur or Significant Tuft Of Head Fur. If enough examples aren't found we could also yard that concept. The old name would then be disambiguated between other, similar tropes, or cut if no tropes can be found.

What does everyone else think? Any other ideas or solutions?

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#2: Feb 28th 2023 at 8:47:53 AM

I don't think it's meaningful or significant. It appears to be a subtrope of Distinctive Appearances but I kinda feel that the fur tuft is just a "hairstyle" some animal characters happen to have at this point.

Maybe just disambiguate (Distinctive Appearances, Meaningful Appearance, and Non-Mammalian Hair)

Edited by MacronNotes on Feb 28th 2023 at 11:49:25 AM

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#3: Feb 28th 2023 at 8:57:56 AM

From the description, fur emulating as hair to make an animal stand out or seem more humanoid seems like what this trope is going for, since it makes it look far more natural than Non-Mammalian Hair.

I think renaming it to something like Head Fur As Hair would help, as it would encourage people to describe the character and hairstyle more.

Edited by BlackMage43 on Feb 28th 2023 at 8:59:32 AM

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#4: Feb 28th 2023 at 9:11:49 AM

I'd rather disambiguate because of the high amount of ZCEs. The fact that this only has 110 wicks means culling the bad wicks only would probably leave this wick-starved when we're done, meaning any attempt at retrying this in a way that avoids ZCEs would probably be a job for TLP anyway.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 28th 2023 at 11:13:33 AM

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#5: Feb 28th 2023 at 9:15:45 AM

Disambig between Distinctive Appearances, Meaningful Appearance, and Non-Mammalian Hair for now.

I've thought the trope is about animal characters having mane or head fur shaped like a human hairstyle (not Non-Mammalian Hair, Furry Female Mane seems to be a gendered version), so there's a yarding potential.

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#7: Feb 28th 2023 at 9:27:19 AM

+1 Disambig + yard anything that has potential.

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#8: Feb 28th 2023 at 9:42:17 AM

I'm actually going to argue that this is a valid trope, considering it's a deliberate artistic choice that gives animal characters more human-like characteristics, so I'm not so sure it needs much more than a cleanup.

Edited by FernandoLemon on Feb 28th 2023 at 2:45:13 PM

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#9: Feb 28th 2023 at 9:44:05 AM

[up] I still think it would need a rename if we do that to help discourage future misuse.

Noting here though that I support a disambiguation.

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#10: Feb 28th 2023 at 9:50:55 AM

If it was ever salvaged as a trope, yes, it'd need a rename. Not just for the sake of it, but bc such tropes that are just [name of the appearance trope] without any indication that it has some sort of meaning/significance are bad names. If the trope has some significance the title should preferably imply so.

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#11: Feb 28th 2023 at 2:45:26 PM

Reading the ZCE on the wick check I'm not sure I agree they're all ZCE.

Some make a point about describing the fur/feather as a hairstyle

    Character fur/feather as hairstyle 
  1. Characters.Chuck E Cheese: Often seen having a full head of feathers and wearing them in pigtails (or, as of 2016, in a ponytail). Sometimes, like in her orignal incarnation, Helen is seen wearing her feathered hair down. Character just has a tuft of head fur.
  2. WhatCouldHaveBeen.The Lion King: Timon's Disappeared Dad was originally a character. He was scrapped because it was felt there were too many characters in the film already. Timon's dad ended up becoming a Composite Character with Ma. Timon's dad has a buzzcut-like Tuft of Head Fur.
  3. WesternAnimation.Shaun The Sheep: While the rest of the sheep on the show have completely black heads, the titular Shaun has a tuft of white wool on his.
  4. WesternAnimation.Elinor Wonders Why: Ari has a spiky tuft as hair.
  5. Characters.Duck Tales: Sometimes. His hairstyle varies from episode to episode from a full head of hair versus only the part that is visible when he's wearing his hat.
  6. Webcomic.Changed Rebirth: As a white latex wolf, Colin still retains a tuft of his original hair color.
  7. WesternAnimation.Cats Dont Dance: Both feline leads have a significant amount of fur atop their heads. Orange tabby tom Danny has the standard tuft that even his straw hat can't contain, while pretty angora kitty Sawyer likes to curl hers into a stylish swirl. Being the main characters, theirs are the most prominent of all the anthropomorphic characters in-universe.
  8. Characters.The Solve It Squad Returns: He has a tuft of darker brown hair on his head as though it were human hair.

Or mention the tuft of hair as a key part of the character's design.

    Character given fur hair as a key part of their design 
  1. YMMV.Mickey Donald Goofy The Three Musketeers: This film's interpretations of Mickey and Minnie really boosted their popularity. Much fan art of the characters is inspired by these versions of the characters (especially Minnie's Tuft of Head Fur).
  2. Animesque: Warrior Cats graphic novels, despite being American in origin, are called manga, and James Barry in particular has a more animesque style than the other artists. He tends to give cats tufts on their heads', even though cats don't actually have said tufts (and in an extreme example, one had actual hair).
  3. Trivia.Sonic R: The models Sonic Team originally gave to Traveller's Tales were more accurate, but had to be simplified for optimization purposes. For example, Tails' Tuft of Head Fur and whiskers were removed, as were the orange stripes on Knuckles' shoes. The unmodified models are used in the ending images.
  4. SonicTheHedgehog.Tropes F To L Sonic the Hedgehog (Archie Comics) plays this straight with many of its Canon Foreigner female characters (and often males too). In comparison, SegaSonic canon characters tend to avert this. Bunnie is one example where she originally averted this trope and had a Tuft of Head Fur but was later given long hair.
  5. Film.Who Framed Roger Rabbit: Roger Rabbit has a tuft of red hair on his head that is different from the white fur covering the rest of his body.
  6. DivergentCharacterEvolution.Spyro Reignited Trilogy: In Sheila's Alp, the three Mountain Goats had the exact same design and shared the same exact voice in the original game. For Reignited, they now each have distinct designs as well as have different sounding voices. Each of them have different shaped horns and different goatee designs. They each wear different colored vests with Billy's being red, Pete's being violet, and Bobby's being green. Each of their shirts has a different symbol with Billy's having a red triangle, Pete's having a violet diamond, and Bobby's having a blue circle. They as well differ in eye colors with Billy's being blue, Pete's being brown, and Bobby's being green. Each one also vary in tufts of hair with Bobby having a tuft of white hair, Pete just having some strands sticking out, and Billy having none. Lastly, Billy is the only one whose goatee is tied and Bobby is the only one with an earring.

I dunno, this seems salvageable to me. Am I seeing it wrong?

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#12: Feb 28th 2023 at 2:56:12 PM

[up] Since it looks like I fucked up the wick check, I apologize.

Should we still rename (my original proposal) or no?

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#13: Feb 28th 2023 at 3:15:03 PM

I'm not a big fan of including the words "meaningful" or "significant" in trope names to try to head off misuse for non-meaningful examples. Tropes by definition should be meaningful patterns; if people aren't getting that, it's a problem with the wiki's culture rather than with any given trope's name.

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#15: Feb 28th 2023 at 3:30:43 PM

Depends. BlackMage argued there's actually no issue. If he's right, there's no need for a rename. So, is he right or not?

Edited by FernandoLemon on Feb 28th 2023 at 8:31:06 AM

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#16: Feb 28th 2023 at 3:39:21 PM

I think this is just an anthro animal design trope akin to Fur Is Skin (Fur Is Hair And Also Skin, whatever). I don't think there's a context issue with the examples present, and I don't really know what type of 'significance' we would like.

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#18: Feb 28th 2023 at 4:07:45 PM

I was more undecided about the trope being about a specific style of fur-hair as distinguisher than being about fur hair in general which was why I was leaning on disambiguating (I also thought fur hair was covered by another trope for some reason) was covered elsewhere. If this is like the hair equivalent of Fur Is Skin like Synchronicity said. In that case, we can probably leave it alone

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#19: Feb 28th 2023 at 4:45:06 PM

We also have Ears as Hair in the same ballpark.

Edited by FernandoLemon on Feb 28th 2023 at 9:45:25 AM

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#20: Feb 28th 2023 at 4:49:34 PM

Idk if I agree with Black Mage's re-categorization, though. Some examples in the first folder, I would agree have some tropeworthy context, specifically those that phrase it as "animals fur / feathers were styled into a hairstyle" with the implication that such hairstyle is atypical for those kinds of animals (like a form of Artistic License) or are done to specifically resemble more human-like hairstyles like a mohawk since these animals are further along in the anthropomorphization scale. But others (3-6) I agree with classifying as ZCE.

And saying "is part of their design" isn't really context as all design traits for characters are intentionally given as part of their design. It'd be akin to writing an example for a red-headed character like "Character has red hair as part of their design" which does't explain the specific significance of the hair color. Not saying there isn't any significance, but that the example doesn't say how because as written the trope itself doesn't state any.

This feels like it's in the same issue area as some of the convos on Stock X tropes, where we know the unified look of the X is a stylistic choice done for simplicity/appeal to quickly convey to the audience what this thing is, but focusing on each individual example doesn't do much help in explaining the phenomenon.

If this doesn't get reworked to be closer to Artistic License, then maybe it would be better off rolled into a larger article on Animal Anthropomorphization design choices, like the animal section on Sliding Scale of Anthropomorphism. Or on a trope page for anthropomorphism broadly since we don't currently have one and I know there has been some talks on making one.

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#21: Mar 1st 2023 at 12:08:34 AM

I'm inclined to agree with the most recent posts from Macron and Synchronicity, so clocking.

Edit: On the subject of reworking into an Artistic License trope... what Synchronicity summed this up as gives me the impression that it might already be one (same with Fur Is Skin), due to it involving taking liberties with designing fictional animals relative to their real life counterparts.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 1st 2023 at 2:12:45 PM

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#22: Mar 1st 2023 at 1:06:19 AM

The "character has a tuft of head fur to distinguish them" examples could be merged with Uniformity Exception.

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#23: Mar 1st 2023 at 1:11:43 AM

From what I gather, either:

  • The trope is fine as-is and doesn't need "significance" plugs because it's Funny Animal Anatomy (it's not indexed there), but it attracts ZCE (or these examples are actually fine even if too short), so we may deter to a cleanup thread and check if the description is vague there.
  • There's something lacking that makes it a ZCE magnet Personal Appearance Tropes.

Now that it's brought up, tbh I'll default to the first one.

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#24: Mar 1st 2023 at 3:17:34 AM

[up]I added it to the Funny Animal Anatomy index for now. I previously added Unintentional Uncanny Valley to Unexpected Reactions to This Index, so this isn't the first time something brought to TRS wasn't on an index it fits on.

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#25: Mar 3rd 2023 at 3:50:49 AM

I know this thread is clocked, but since I've basically conceded that this thread was a bad idea, and most of the other participants here agree, I think we can just close this.

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