Complete Monster Cleanup

Ghirahim is The Heavy and a mass murderer dropping his monsters, a Bad Boss and intends to release his master knowing what he intends to do. He keeps.

Also cut Shidou, a once very controversial candidate I'm glad to see we can civilly discuss removing.

Edited by 43110 on Apr 26th 2023 at 8:34:37 AM

Keep Ghirahim. He’s been brought up before and we’ve deemed him heinous enough to count

Keep Ghirahim, but one gripe with his writeup:

• Demon Lord Ghirahim is the sadistic soul of Demise's weapon. Seeking to free his master, Ghirahim kidnaps Zelda, willing to agonizingly feed her soul to unleash Demise. Attempting to awaken multiple monsters to kill Link and eventually desiring to torture Link to death himself, Ghirahim summons an army of monsters to buy time, saying they can die by Link's blade or his own, even gleefully giving his own life to awaken Demise and see the entire world ravaged with all living beings annihilated by Demise's monstrosity.

Demise is not an outright Omnicidal Maniac (although it is made quite clear he had a body count back then, and taking over Hyrule will result in a lot more bodies dropping). His clear intention is to evoke Hell on Earth, but he still makes it clear he wants some terrified slaves to rule over. That bit of the EP, at least, should be tweaked. With that said, it is something of an apples-and-oranges comparison whether Ghirahim wants all humanity killed or "just" most of it, so I agree he still keeps.

Edited by Scraggle on Apr 27th 2023 at 1:47:34 PM

Honestly, could we just change "all" to "countless" in that last sentence?

In regars to Slender page, is Windigo an official product? Can that version of Slender Man be put on the page?

Edited by VeryVileVillian on Apr 27th 2023 at 7:44:13 PM

I've been looking into Windigo, and couldn't find any connection to the main ARG's or Victor Surge - though it may have been made before a copyright was put on the Slenderman characters.

As far as I can find, it's not considered an official part of the mythos, but was still from a time where the mythos was a little loose.

Edit: Also in regards to the Slenderman page, I've been meaning to do a few trims on a few entries. Especially HABIT - his current entry is like 231 words, and I don't think we need to list every one of his atrocities.

Anyways, here's the rewrites.

• Always Watching: A Marble Hornets Story: This take on the Operator is more malevolent than its original counterpart, being portrayed as a supernatural serial killer, rather than a living malignant virus. The Operator would possess people to kill their loved ones, using a Calling Card to taunt and mark future victims. The Operator has a man kill his girlfriend, before stalking a family. Slowly revealing itself to the family, they flee across the country to escape it, before Operator possesses the father into smothering his daughter before trying to kill his wife. When she kills him in self-defense, she tries to suicidally burn the house down, but survives and is left broken. The Operator begins a news crew investigating the family's disappearance. When they try to avoid it, the Operator kills Milo's beloved dog out of spite. Thinking it'll stop the Operator, Milo commits suicide, but the Operator to possess his corpse to kill his friends before throwing its puppet aside.

• Slender: The Arrival: This rendition of the Slender Man is shown to be rather malicious in its messages. Responsible countless disappearances, the Slender Man has stalked the Matheson family for generations, notably terrorizing and abducting young Charlie Matheson from his parents, mutilating him into an emaciated corpse-like creature in constant pain; later tormenting Charlie's father into committing suicide. When Carl and Kate investigate it and knowledge of the Slender Man keeps it around, Carl tries to kill himself and Kate to stop it, before the Slender Man takes Kate turning her into the ravenous "Chaser". Stalking Kate's friend Lauren as she uncovers the truth, she jumps off a tower, but the Slender Man keeps her alive to spread its influence. In its messages, the Slender Man sees death and torment as a game, and in a secret level sets helpless victim on fire, keeping her alive throughout.

• Everyman HYBRID: HABIT is a sadistic entity capable of taking control of people's bodies, forcing his still-aware host to murder people for his own entertainment. While possessing Evan, HABIT strangles Daniel to death, extensively tortures Jeff and Steph before eventually killing them, and devours Evan and Steph's infant daughter. When Evan is released, HABIT gives him a Healing Factor that leaves him broken but unable to die. When Vincent summons HABIT for answers, HABIT forces Vince to lure more victims, locking Vince in a room for two years, psychologically torturing him and preventing Vince from killing himself. On his blog, HABIT posts writings from his victims, letting let Slender Man take his survivors, claiming to have been multiple historical serial killers and war criminals. In a crossover appearance, HABIT tortures Shaun Andersen to death in a plot to lure in his brother Michael, and the entity possessing him, "Patrick". Throughout his appearances, HABIT plainly a rampant monster, who lives inflict pain for its own sake.

Edited by Beast on Apr 27th 2023 at 10:28:16 AM

Something I noticed on the Darkman page, there's a candidate I proposed a while back which is Claude Bellasarious from the 1993 comic miniseries. His writeup is not seen anywhere there despite the monster page for the franchise was deleted since we cut the two bad guys from the sequel movies.

Edited by Powermaster201 on Apr 27th 2023 at 3:22:28 PM

It's at the main CM page; I don't know what happened with the YMMV, but I just re-added it.

I'd just like to make a couple of suggestions about the RWBY Fan Works page.

First, definitely look into changing the page quote. I just find it odd that the quote is somehow longer than the writeup of the character it is referencing. Maybe not have something that takes up so much space on the page for that.

Second, I wanted to look into suggesting a picture for the page from Team RAIN. I'm working on looking for specific ideas at the moment, but I wanted to know whether or not I'd suggest them in Image Pickin' or here.

Edited by ClownPrince47 on Apr 27th 2023 at 5:54:33 AM

Image pickin; but please link to it here.

As for quotes, I like the current one, but there are plenty of other options.

Can the quote be condensed or something? It's longer than every write-up on the page

Edited by Agentofchaos on Apr 27th 2023 at 6:01:00 AM

It's a good quote, but I just think it a bit too long to be a page quote. I just thought it could use something shorter. Plus, if the page does get an image, I can't imagine that it'll look any better.

I cut Shidou from the High School Of The Dead page. Whomever's in charge of the anime/manga main page, be sure not to include him.

For the RWBY Fan Works page

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16826341510.93440600&page=1#1

What do we do about World of the Dead's Shido?

~Tropers/G-Editor can rewrite him.

Oh, right. In that case, we should discuss that.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Apr 27th 2023 at 8:27:24 AM

My main concern is if he still counts at all, or if they use his canon backstory.

As we're on the topic of the Slendy Mythos, I'd like to propose the removal of Clowny from TalesFromTheSpidersWeb. The series is technically part of the Slenderverse—the series has minor ties to Tribe Twelve—and Clowny is definitely heinous enough, being a cannibal and a child killer. The problem lies with the route that the series went, the creator dived deep into Surreal Horror and never looked back, the newer episodes are incredibly confusing and somewhat philosophical in nature—Clowny is implied to be everything from an alter ego of the main character to an incarnation of The Antichrist and a representation of Satan himself, and although he has a personality, he tends to speak in either complex riddles or simply unintelligible gibberish. There hasn't been a single new episode in three years so it's safer to just remove him at this point.

I'm more concerned by the heavy implications of him being a split personality—The MC and Clowny are never seen together, and the MC is unhinged enough to be considered an Unreliable Narrator—and the fact that we still don't know what he wants. We know that he likes to eat people and that's it, his connection to the Slender Man is a complete mystery. The series has absurd amounts of Mind Screw so I wouldn't be surprised if Clowny is revealed to be both a split personality and a representation of the Antichrist/Satan, I'm not even sure if we'll ever get an answer honestly. Even his cannibalism is a metaphor for something that hasn't been properly explained yet. True Art Is Incomprehensible at its finest.

Edited by TheMadCr0w on Apr 27th 2023 at 1:01:49 PM

Hmm... how deeply ambiguous is he? You mention he's bad enough and has personality... as for possibilities as to what he is, being someone's alter ego could pose a problem but the Antichrist or Satan wouldn't be. We've had cases like Takamiya from Twilight of the Dark Master where it isn't certain she has agency but going through the possibilities of what she is leads to many situations in which she does, one in which she doesn't, so there's enough to assume she's knowingly being a force of malevolence.

Okay so World of the Dead is suppose to be a Continuation for High School Of The Dead so they would use the canon backstory for Shido for this story. Here is the chapter where Shido tells Rei about how Shido’s father was a monster who drove his mother to an early death in his attempt to manipulate Rei into forgiving him. So I guess you would have to cut that Shido as well (which is unfortunate since he’s much worse in the fanfic)

Edited by G-Editor on Apr 27th 2023 at 6:07:08 PM

While that Shido does sound worse in that fanfic, the care for his mother has not been subverted. Guess cut him as well.

Cut that Shido too then.

Edited by ACW on Apr 28th 2023 at 3:14:05 PM

I'm just gonna trust ya' there Crow. You know the work and this sounds weird to say the least lol

Just an FYI guys, any rewrites not in the Drafts aren't going to get done.

Rewrite:

• Code 8: Marcus Sutcliffe is a dapper drug lord and Loan Shark whose specialty, Psyke, is made by extracting the spinal fluid of powered individuals. After one of his drug farms is raided, Marcus recruits Connor Reed in multiple robberies at the behest of his subordinate, Garrett Kent, in order to pay off a debt to the cartel known as the Trust. Nia eventually reveals to Connor that Marcus forced her into a position as a healer. Falsely offering Nia's services under the pretense of having her heal Connor's mother, in exchange for the crew stealing his supply back from the police escort, Marcus has his men turn their guns on the crew and steal the supply back for him, resulting in the deaths of two crew members and four police officers. When Nia confronts Marcus about the others, he threatens her imprisoned father, who is in debt to him.

Original:

• Code 8: Marcus Sutcliffe is a dapper drug lord and Loan Shark whose specialty, Psyke, is made by extracting the spinal fluid of powered individuals. After one of his drug farms is raided, Marcus recruits Connor Reed in multiple robberies at the behest of his subordinate, Garrett Kent, in order to pay off a debt to the cartel known as the Trust. Nia eventually reveals to Connor that Marcus forced her into a position as a healer. Falsely offering Nia's services under the pretense of having her heal Connor's mother, in exchange for the crew stealing his supply back from the police escort, Marcus has his men turn their guns on the crew and steal the supply back for him, resulting in the deaths of two crew members and four police officers. When Nia confronts Marcus about the others, he threatens her imprisoned father, who is in debt to him.

Just switched some potholes.