During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.
- Why do a cleanup?: This trope definitely exists and has a well documented history of use. That being said, it frequently gets misused to a character who meets one of the components, namely that they are smart, charming while not necessarily even being a villain, or create good plans. While these are components, there is also a certain personality required, not to mention that all of the above are required to be present for a character to be a true Magnificent Bastard. As the trope attracts interest, it unfortunately brings in a lot of misuse and I thought the best way to rectify this would be a Perpetual Cleanup Thread, as is being done and has seen success with Complete Monster.
- What makes a Magnificent Bastard: Below is a list of the individual components to make this character. Note that they must all be present, not just some, which has lead to frequent misuse:
- Must be intelligent: Goes without saying, to be a Magnificent Bastard, the character has to be smart in the first place and use their brain to work towards whatever their end goal may be;
- Must be a Bastard: While going overboard in how vile the character is can be detrimental, a key aspect is the Bastard part of the trope, whether the character is an out-and-out antagonist in the work, some manner of Villain Protagonist, or something in between, they at least have some unscrupulous qualities to qualify for this trope;
- Must not be too detestable: Again, there is a ceiling on how bad the character can be before they just become too nefarious, blocking out the Magnificent part of the trope. A genocidal racist or child-raping Sadist aren't going to make the cut;
- Think on their feet: In addition to being a Chessmaster, a Magnificent Bastard, if the character deals with situations in which their initial plan is ruined, has to be able to pull a Xanatos Speed Chess and at least come up with a competent strategy to make up for lost time, otherwise they fail for being unable to think in tough spots;
- Have charm: Even if they don't necessarily make every character they meet fall in love with them and can even be detested by others, the audience has to find an amicable social relation to the character, or they are failing to make the impact required for this trope.
- What to do if a character is listed on a page but has not been approved?: They need to be removed, all candidates need to come through the cleanup thread first. The character could well count but they need to be analyzed properly and voted on first.
- Do we list Playing With this trope?: No; as a YMMV trope, this cannot be Played With, so we only want examples that are Played Straight.
- What do I do if I want a character to be listed as a Magnificent Bastard?: The greatest success Complete Monster saw for its cleanup effort was from the invention of the effort post format, so, borrowing from that, a troper wishing to propose a Magnificent Bastard will create such a post in the following format:
- Begin by describing The work, this will help establish the setting the character is in and for the reader to understand what kind of a scenario they are in;
- Summarize The character's actions, this will provide a listing for readers to understand what they do and how it applies to this trope because charm and lack of smugness are so crucial, this is a good time to be incorporating exactly the flavor of how they operate to explain this;
- List circumstances in which the character must Think on their feet, these are times where a wrench might be thrown in their initial plan and they have to adapt on the spot or even come up with a new scheme all together, this is also a good time to explain how the villain reacts to defeat when they have to face it, a true Magnificent Bastard won't break down into tears at the thought of death, they should have known such a possibility could occur and be able to handle it with more dignity;
- The competition, similar to the Heinous Standard dealt with for a Complete Monster, this section is to deal with how successful the character is in carrying out their plans compared to other characters. While, as a villain, they probably are going to lose in the end, it is good to explain how other characters handle the same situation. There is no exceptionalism case to be made for this trope but explaining the variety helps the reader have a better understanding of the proposal.
- How do you know when the character's arc is done so they can be proposed? When their tenure as a villain or antagonist finishes. This could happen in a single Story Arc in an entire work, a single work of a franchise, or the whole series in general. We'll show lenience to Long-Runners with constantly recurring candidates or series with outstanding continuities (ex. comic books), and it's entirely possible to count in a work or two but not in general for a reason like Depending on the Writer.
- What about candidates evil because of external sources? Those Made of Evil can qualify if they show enough individuality and tactical acumen — in other words, they have the personality to fulfill the magnificence requirement. Conversely, those brainwashed, especially if they're a better person without it, may fail the individuality aspect and cannot count.
- What if they are under orders from a higher-up? Depends. If the boss created the plans down to the letter and the candidate is just following them, sounds like we should discuss the boss instead. However, if the candidate takes creative liberties with the orders, adds their own charm and flair to them, fills in holes in the orders, and/or actively deals with obstacles their boss did not talk about, the candidate shows enough individual thinking to qualify.
- What about Character Development? An MB is something a character can develop into... a nice person who plots well might become more morally gray as the work goes on and hits the "Bastard" criteria, thus making them viable. Likewise, a Smug Snake might shed their ego, become more understanding of the threat others pose and gain the personality or "Magnificent" criteria, likewise making them viable. Conversely, a character who looks like this trope might suffer from a Sanity Slippage or just get outed as not being as smart as they thought they were and become incompatible with MB.
- Can an MB be a good guy? Not in the conventional sense... it is required they have at least some dubious traits lest they fail the "Bastard" criteria. That being said, a character who pulls a Heel–Face Turn or eventually stops taking villainous actions is still fair game: as there was a point in time where they were both "Magnificent" and a "Bastard" at the same time and they've merely adapted as time goes on. Now... if such a character begins showing other issues (i.e.: becomes prone to freak outs or starts getting outwitted) then they're compromising their Magnificence and will probably be deemed a cut. What's important is stylishly operating while at least for some time being willing to take at best underhanded methods to see a job done. A Heel–Face Turn in itself isn't a disqualifier but they do have to have been "Magnificent" and a "Bastard" at the same time and afterwards can't start slipping on the former front.
- What about characters whose stories can take different routes?: When proposing a character in a form of media that has them in multiple story routes. Said character must be consistent with their characteristics in all routes. (ex.: Can't have an example who shows promise on one route yet fails in another.) The only exception is if a later installment of the series confirms the character's actions which made them worth proposing are the canon route.
- Is there a timeframe rule like with Complete Monster?: Yes, please wait two weeks until after the work has concluded before proposing a character (again, usually using the North American air date). As is the case with CM, we want to give a reasonable time frame so that everyone interested in seeing the work has done so and can participate in the discussion without having anything spoiled.
- What about groups like with Complete Monster?: This is a point of divergence between the two tropes. While CM does not allow for a single entry encompassing more than three characters lest their heinousness for crimes becomes too watered down, with MB as long as they are treated as one "unit" it is acceptable to lump all characters provided they share acts of charm and intelligence.
- Can I propose my own work's character as a Magnificent Bastard?: No, this is a YMMV subject and the creator of a content is way too biased to be able to evaluate the criteria we're looking for without a second opinion taking over. That being said, you are more than welcome to encourage someone to consume your creation and if they feel a character counts, are more than welcome to suggest them.
- My example/edit has been approved, but the example subpage is locked! How do I get it added?: The moderators do not add examples to locked example subpages in the MagnificentBastard/ namespace directly. Rather, you need to do the edit to a sandbox page that follows the format Sandbox.MagnificentBastard<Name of the example subpage> (e.g for MagnificentBastard.Fullmetal Alchemist it's Sandbox.Magnificent Bastard Fullmetal Alchemist) and on a Friday, ask in the locked pages edit requests thread for the content to be swapped in.
Thread rules
When voting a troper must specify the effort post they're voting on and cannot merely vote on "Everything I missed" as in the past it has indicated the poster didn't read the effort post and is guessing instead of analyzing.
Resolved items
In general, a character listed on this trope is considered "settled". This means they should not be challenged unless information used to list them was incorrect or information was missed in the initial discussion.
However, when re-litigating a candidate, the same rules apply for when they were originally proposed. If they do not have five or more upvotes than downvotes for approval upon a re-litigation, including votes from the initial discussion if they do not change, then they are a cut.
This especially applies to the characters listed below, who have been discussed excessively and repeated attempts to get them listed/cut may result in punitive action for bogging down the thread.
Definitely an MB
- Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers: Any sadism Darkrai displays is limited in effect thanks to the game's nature and any cowardice which can be inferred about him is Alternative Character Interpretation about his tactical retreats.
- Avatar: The Last Airbender: Azula's Villainous Breakdown is undone in the sequel comic Smoke & Shadow where she regains her composure and ends up stable and in control enough to count.
Definitely not an MB
- South Park: The show's frequent use of vulgar comedy and mean-spirited humor leaves any potential candidates devoid of the dignity or charm to qualify.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:15:22 AM
I hate spoilers
Alright, I got my write-up for Suzuki.
Touichirou Suzuki is the leader of Claw and one of the most dangerous opponents that Mob has ever faced. Seeking to conquer the planet, Suzuki has toured the world for 30 years, gathering enough power and followers to carry out his plans. When his attempts to empower his henchmen via machinery fail, he gives them his own psychic energy to use, taking it back after they've served their purpose. Suzuki recruits the timid Katsuya Serizawa by showing him that he doesn't need to fear his own powers, acting as a mentor to manipulate him. During his fight with Mob, Suzuki showcases mastery over over several different abilities in rapid succession. Upon overloading during said fight, he calmly requests Mob to kill him, having seen the error of his ways. When Mob chooses to save him instead, Suzuki decides to turn himself in, apologizing for how he treated his family and encouraging Serizawa to believe in himself.
Everyone look at my sandbox
I'm Sad Frogerson.
If people are still thinking about who would make a good example for a "Big Good Magnificent Bastard" for "The Greats" section, maybe Master Oogway would do? He might serve as a good example of the bare minimum that's required for someone to count as a "bastard" for the trope.
Gotta love Jaws!
![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
to Nat, Stranger, Orton, Scarlet and Gordon.
Cut Dick (AAAAAAAA-)
"For a second there, I mistook ya for a threat... but you're just a dirty little man!"
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
HAHAHAHA
I'm actually considering proposing Christine now, tbh. Not like there's anything to lose from doing so, just need to try and figure out how to write the EP.
RIP Toriyama
And of course a big Yes to Gordon! Let me keep the MK train going with my next one and probably my favorites:
Who are the Zapatta Brothers? What makes them candidates?
Gustavo: "What was I supposed to do, Rigo? He poked me. Poke. Poke. Poke."
Rigo: "Block him, Gustavo!"
Gustavo: "C'mon, you serious?"
Rigo: "Hell yeah, I'm serious! You didn't like him in high school, now he's, like, your best friend?"
Gustavo: "It's Facebook, bro! Why you getting so bent out of shape?"
Rigo: "It's about character, bro. Ramon disrespected us, now everyone thinks it's all good in the hood!"
Gustavo: "What? He kissed your girlfriend, like, ten years ago, bro. Move on."
Rigo: "Uh-uh. I never forget. I keep a list up here, in my head. And he's on it, bro. Big time."
Gustavo: "Fine, fine, I'll block him. If that's what it takes to make you shut up."
Rigo: "Fine."
Gustavo: "I said that."
Gustavo and Rigo Zapata are a pair of Luchadore hitmen defined by their Laughably Evil camraderie. Appearing in the 2006 Huston run, the Zapatas are hired by the vicious cartel lord Gilberto Alcantara to locate his runaway daughter, Carmen, so Alcantara can kill her.
Agreeing to do so for their usual fee, the Zapatas track down Carmen—being protected by Moon Knight—and quickly stage a full-blown attack on her apartment while casually chatting about their Facebook lives, brutalizing Moon Knight and only driven off when Carmen pulls the pins on their grenades and Gustavo tries to sacrifice himself to save Rigo—they were actually just the duo's gas grenades, which they are quick to cheerfully laugh about.
Gustavo: "Gotta admit, that bitch has heart."
Rigo: "Oh yeah. That's the kind of girl you could settle down with. Raise some puppies."
Gustavo: "No kidding, bro. I'm telling you:" (Loads machine gun) "I think I'm in love."
For this initial failure, the Zapatas are chewed out by Alcantara, who orders them killed by a group of men. 'Bout 5 seconds later the group is in a beaten down heap, and the Zapatas—barely having broken a sweat—assure Alcantara that they will not only find Carmen, but also kill Moon Knight and the legendary vigilante murderer Toltec.
Then as soon as Alcantara agrees and leaves, the brothers quickly reveal they have jack shit intention to stick with Alcantara for "disrespecting" them, and concoct a new plan. Tracking down Carmen right when she's about to be killed by some of Alcantara's goons, the Zapatas slaughter her attackers and save an unconscious Carmen, having a chat about the ethics of her attackers in the process.
Rigo: "Damn, bro, listen to you."
Gustavo: "What? I'm just saying it's messed up."
Rigo: "Look, bro, she's smoking, but don't be getting all soft on me. Refer to page one of the assassin manual: do not get attached to your target."
Gustavo: "Who's getting attached? I'm just saying, it's unprofessional to be strong-arming a hostage..."
Rigo: "Especially with eyes like that."
Gustavo: "She's more than good looks, bro. She's got flair."
Rigo: "Glad you aren't getting attached."
Pursued by Alcantara's thugs who trash their vehicle—the bros taking time to grumble how the car has their Huey Lewis & the News boxset collection—the Zapatas fight off their attackers before running into Moon Knight again...and quickly informing him they've turned on Alcantara and are working to screw him over and help Carmen escape, both for cash and for Gustavo's growing attachment to her.
Ultimately hiding away Carmen while sending Moon Knight to take down her dad, the Zapatas call Alcantara and order him to assemble their cash as they'll be ready to have proof of their dirty work all done soon...the Zapatas then wait it out as Moon Knight and Toltec decimate Alcantara's hideout and murder the man, at which point the Zapatas swoop in, loot the crime lord of his cash, leave a chunk of it with Moon Knight, and depart into the night with a fortune of cash and a happy, free Carmen in tow.
Moon Knight: "Yeah. Whatever that means."
Definitely, they're hilarious professional mercenaries who take on Moon Knight, outdo Alcantara's thugs, team up with Moon Knight and take down Alcantara himself and rob him of his fortune, recruiting Carmen to their business in the process.
Are they bastards?
Yep, A Lighter Shade of Black compared to Alcantara but still brutal hitmen who are ready to help kill Carmen and Moon Knight until they turn on Alcantara, still staying clear-cut criminals.
Final Verdict?
Definite keep, bro.
Edited by Ravok on Nov 18th 2021 at 5:47:29 AM
Tonight I dine on monkey soup.
Yes to the Bros.
Professor Gigachad
When you said MK I thought you were talking about Mortal Kombat, too bad that the franchise has almost no MB's. Zapatta Brothers.
The Draftsman of Doom
Si a Los Zapatas.
Feels good, don't it?
Zapatas.
@62878: Yes Oogway was also the fourth one I had in mind.
Edited by jjjj2 on Nov 18th 2021 at 8:51:07 AM
You can only write so much in your forum signature. It's not fair that I want to write a piece of writing yet it will cut me off in the mid
to the Zapatta Brothers.
Yes to the Zapattas.
(Imma call dibs on MultiVersus btw)
I hate spoilers
for the Zapatta Brothers.
Yes to the Zappatta Brothers.
Shin Megami Tensei IV
Zapatta Brothers
Woagh
to the Brothers.
Scarlet, Campbell and Zapatas
Yes to the Zapatta Brothers there Ravok, great work man!
I was thinking of reviewing it and I know the three you're talking about Melinda, have at it and call me an early yes!
Lies and Violence!
to the Zapatta Brothers.
It's midnight where I am, so time for Eternals!
None of the titular characters count in my opinion — three hit the "bastard" criteria, but none reach "magnificent." Ajak has led them for millennia in harvesting planets for the Celestials, but gets easily tricked and killed by Ikaris. Ikaris himself, while he has a smart opening play, kind of just lets the others discover the truth of the Celestials and doesn't do anything to stop them until the climax. And Druig, while an amazing character, just didn't really do anything too impressive. Even then, while it's still treated as a dick move, his mind control isn't played for nearly as much horror as it could be, especially in comparison to the literal world-ending threat they face.
However, there are two characters who might just barely pass, even with basically no screentime:
Candidate #1: Arishem
Arishem the Judge is the master of the Eternals, and apparent leader of the Celestials. These god-like beings are responsible for keeping the universe running: generating gravity, creating suns, that stuff. Since the universe is pretty goddamn big, however, they kind of need more Celestials.
Arishem's job is to create these new gods. Creating a "Seed," he proceeds to place them within planets inhabited by intelligent life — apparently these beings "feed" the Celestial, not sure how that works. When the population gets big enough, the Celestial will be born, tearing the planet apart as it awakens.
Of course, the problem with habitable planets is that they also have predators. To ensure these animals didn't kill all the sapient life, Arishem created the Deviants, monstrous beings who would hunt down and slaughter them. This... kind of backfired, as the Deviants started trying to kill everything. In response, Arishem created the Eternals — weird magic robot android things.
For every seeded planet, Arishem would send both Eternals and Deviants. The former would protect the populace until they became large enough for the "Emergence." With their job complete, Arishem would wipe their minds, sending them to repeat the process on another planet while he studied the Deviants' behavior through their old memories.
Our titular Eternals are one such group, sent to protect Earth. The leader, Ajak, is initially the only one aware of their true purpose, and the only one who can communicate with Arishem. After the Avengers defeat Thanos she decides that maybe they have a right to live... only for Ikaris, who she told the truth to a few centuries ago, to kill her in his faith to the Celestial. Ajak passes on her ability to communicate with Arishem to Sersi, who is informed of their true purpose and tasked with overseeing Tiamut's awakening.
Long story short, but the Eternals decide this is stupid and kill the Dreaming Celestial, while Ikaris flies into the sun. Everything seems fine...
And then a giant six-eyed robot suddenly appears in the sky. I can't give justice to how terrifyingly awesome the scene is. Arishem towers over the Earth, and flies the remaining Eternals up to him. Naturally, he's a bit pissed that they killed Tiamut, but states that he will spare humanity if the Eternals' memories show him they're worthy of life. The god teleports away with his prisoners, promising to return for judgement.
Is he Magnificent?
Annihilating entire worlds is, of course, bad, but it serves a greater cause. Celestials are needed to keep the universe running; sure, Earth blowing up sucks, but it also gives millions of other worlds the opportunity to live. It's precisely because of this that Ikaris, Sprite, and Kingo refuse to prevent the rise of the Dreaming Celestial: they have faith that their creator's grand designs are for the good of everything.
He's pretty explicitly given credit for the entire operation: he seeds the planets, designed both the Deviants and the Eternals, sends the latter on their missions, and personally checks in with their leaders. Sending the malfunctioning Deviants seems like a pretty unnecessary complication for their mission, but it's not out of sadism; he just wants the chance to study them and, presumably, figure out what went wrong in their design.
Finally, of course, he's not petty. While Arishem is upset his creations sided with humanity, he recognizes that there must be some reason for this, and intends to spare the insects if he's shown they're actually worth more than the life of a Celestial.
...Don't think he'll like what he finds, but that's a problem for another day!
Is he a Bastard?
Arishem is singlehandedly responsible for the destruction of thousands of worlds, with an army of Eternals at his disposal to harvest planets. Our group have already gone through a few worlds, and Arishem states that there are a bunch more out there doing the same thing. Given just how long he's been at this, the Celestial could easily have the highest body count in the entire MCU.
Candidate #2: Kro
Kro is one of many Deviants sent to Earth. Escaping the Eternals' purge by being trapped under ice, he has the luck of escaping right when Ikaris decides to kill Ajak. He feeds her to the Deviants, allowing Kro to absorb her energy.
This... backfires, to say the least, as it makes Kro both more powerful and more intelligent, along with giving him Ajak's ability to heal stuff. Transforming into a somewhat more bipedal form, he upgrades the other Deviants and sets out to hunt down the Eternals.
After a brief fight in London, he finally catches up to them in Druig's camp and manages to feed off of Gilgamesh. This second meal gives Kro true sapience, and, with Ajak's memories, now knows of all his fellow Deviants who have been murdered on countless worlds. He escapes, vowing to avenge his fallen brethren.
He pops up again at the end of the world while the other Eternals are fighting Ikaris. Thena chases after him when he's bitch-slapped into a cave, intending to avenge her fallen ally. Only problem is, due to shenanigans, she's kind of going insane. Partway through the fight, Kro impersonates the voice of Gilgamesh (who was her handler), using the... er, "safe words" he used to calm Thena down whenever she got into a bloodlust and putting her into a trance. It almost works... until he says "remember," which just so happened to be Gilgamesh's last words, and Thena snaps out of it and cuts him to pieces.
Mitigating Factors
Kro... doesn't really have that big of a role. Still, what little screentime he does get establishes him as sympathetic and smart. From his perspective, the Deviants just want to survive, and he's motivated to avenge those the Eternals have killed. Of course, he realizes that they're all ultimately just tools for Arishem, but what the hell are you going to do against a space god? Settle for their lackeys who did the dirty work.
Even with only partial sapience he shows a bit of ingenuity by enhancing the other Deviants, adapts remarkably quickly to his stolen powers, has enough foresight to try hunting down the Eternals instead of waiting for them to come to him, and probably would have succeeded with the mimicry thing if it weren't for one key word.
I'm not very confidant about him, but he hits the bare minimum qualifications, so I thought I'd give it a shot.
Lizzid people!
Abstaining on Arishem; I didn't really get that sense of "charm" from him; that, and with him being a near godlike being, to me, it feels like the playing board is not on equal grounds.
Kind of leaning towards a slight "keep" for Kro.
Edited by AustinDR on Nov 18th 2021 at 9:36:03 AM
Lies and Violence!
I thought about the Arishem “being an all-powerful” god thing, but I think it works out. He’s not scheming against any specific group, and his plan is both intelligently put together and apparently quite efficient — it takes millennia for problems to finally pop up. And even then, his cause is righteous enough to spawn fanatical devotion in some of his followers who learn the truth.
I'll look over the Eternals stuff more extensively tomorrow when I get up. For now, I want to put this out before I go to sleep.
Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath: Stranger is a gruff and enigmatic bounty hunter that hunts outlaws to pay for an expensive operation needed to survive. Combining an intense snark and sharp mind, he uses a wide variety of strange animals as living ammo to lure, capture, or kill his targets while always making the most of his environment to handily defeat entire gangs and their leaders. In truth, Stranger is the last of the Steefs that once protected the Mongo River and its Grubb inhabitants from the depredations of the greedy and monstrous Sekto. Needing the operation to become bipedal, Stranger is ultimately found out and rejoins the Grubbs for self preservation, but he soon chooses to become their guardian when they accept him. Rallying them and saving their city, he valiantly leads them to depose Sekto and destroy his dam, restoring their culture and finally finding a place to call home.
Think you're tough because you made it through Lord of the Rings? Real men survive The Silmarillion.
Gotta think on the Eternals guys.
The MILF Virus
Zapatta
Can I request we cut the Viscount from Crash Boom Bang? I rewatched the game and the last part about Viscount losing due to Crash's quick intervention is not completely true. He lost because after finding the Super Big Power Crystal, Viscount monologued and gloated his victory for quiet a bit until Crash accidentally made a wish. It's a little too pathetic how he lose for me to say he keeps.
Edited by TheImmortalAngelNewton on Nov 19th 2021 at 12:41:41 PM
"Are you the devil?" "Don't compare to me to those small fry" - Mir
I was under the impression Arishem stopped sending out Deviants once they, well, deviated, and that all the Deviants were already on Earth. But I did just see the film once so I'm probably wrong.
I think both Arishem and Kro fit the technical bill, but will think on them. Kro, sadly, is a bit of a Red Herring villain. I do kinda hope he comes back - I know he got cut up but healing powers and all. I can also agree Arishem being a Godlike being is fine here, since it's not like he's using his powers to warp reality or otherwise impose his will. It's mostly just manipulation and orders on his part. Well, even if he doesn't make it now, he'll almost certainly appear again.
Edited by PolarPhantom on Nov 19th 2021 at 2:51:09 AM
Yes to Scarlet and Campbell.
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread