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If we rule that Our Titans Are Different is a Sub-Trope of Our Gods Are Different, then all titans would need to be gods. Several examples of Our Titans Are Different (such as Attack on Titan and Dungeons & Dragons) would need to be deleted.
I think defining Our Titans Are Different such that all titans need to be gods would be overly restrictive. Therefore I would argue that OTAD is not a Sub-Trope of OGAD.
I'm inclined to agree with that.
So... Til Murder Do Us Part, and Domestic Abuse don't wick to each other, except for the former having this example:
Should they crosswick? Would Til Murder Do Us Part be when Domestic Abuse leads to a death? Or does it have to be premeditated murder instead of just accidental?
To answer your last question, no. However, I'm not sure they need to Cross Wick. I'm also uncertain why The Bluebeard and Black Widow are mentioned on Domestic Abuse.
Two-Person Love Triangle, is it a Sub-Trope of either Living a Double Life, or its Sub-Trope, Secret Identity?
Living a Double Life, and I'll rely on You've Got Mail for the argument; Meg Ryan falls in love with the penpal who also the guy she hates for pressuring her out of business.
Faux Death is the magic version of Human Popsicle? Or any kind of stasis, but not cryogenically?
I'm de-wicking Suspended Animation, and I'm not sure, plus I might've put some things in the wrong trope...
I'm inclined to think of Faux Death as a very broad Super-Trope, and Human Popsicle as the sci-fi subtrope involving cryogenics.
- Instituting that world take a TRS though, wouldn't it?
New thing, since Kill Tally has been launched.
Is Kill Tally a Super-Trope of Body-Count Competition, or not?
I'm not sure, since you don't need a physical tally, if you just count in your head...
Kill Tally says:
Man, I need to avoid forgetting about this thread.
Yeah, I think Kill Tally and Body-Count Competition are just sister tropes that revolve around the same concept but tackle different aspects of it. Not sure if there's a missing supertrope, though.
~High Crate (: Yeah, well, that's the problem when the word "titan" is often used as a fancy alternative for "giant". The Titans of Attack on Titan and Dungeons & Dragons are just examples of Our Giants Are Bigger that happen to be "titans" In Name Only; the former especially lack much of the traits that are explained in the description, while the latter — at least in 5th edition, apparently — are explicitly said to be favored by the giants' gods. So I say that these examples belong in Our Giants Are Bigger, if they're not already there. Perhaps we should even make a trope about the conflation of actual titans with giants, a la Dinosaurs Are Dragons, and keep Our Titans Are Different strictly about true Titans/Primordials.
Just to add to the fun, in Norse Mythology the terms "Titans" and "Giants" designate the same group.
~crazysamaritan: I like this. The first deletion confused the hell out of me, but that was answered by the final added line.
Reading Superior Successor, it claims the following to be subtropes. All of them I find to be dubious. In fact, Surpassed the Teacher is the only trope listed on the article that I indeed agree to be a subtrope.
What are your thoughts?
Mostly responding to , but I've got one new question which I'll include at the end of this post.
So, Title by Number is just "Title has a number in it", right?
So, Numbered Sequels, is a subtrope?
Is Episode 0: The Beginning a subtrope of Numbered Sequels as it says it is?
Edited by Malady on Apr 24th 2019 at 3:49:19 AM
Yeah, I'd be okay with Title by Number being a rather general "Title has a number in it" trope, so long as we're turning it into an index for the subtropes. That would make Episode 0: The Beginning, Numbered Sequels, and Running Time in the Title subtropes.
Yes, I think Episode 0: The Beginning should be a subtrope of Numbered Sequels, as a Prequel numbered 0.
Do you think we should take changes to the Description Improvement Thread? I'm fine with changing it from what we've got here, if you're okay with it.
So, if we describe Episode 0: The Beginning as a Numbered Sequels subtrope, then this would be wrong, because it's not a number indicating a prequel, a.k.a a separate work, so much as it's numbering a year?
I figure wait a bit to see if anyone else has comments, but otherwise yes.
Other times, the works are meant to be individual stories that stand on their own. This can be the intention of the author from the start. Other times, such as with an unexpected Cash Cow Franchise, one book that was meant to be self contained becomes outrageously popular, prompting sequels.
I'm of the mind that several of Mixed Ancestry's listed subtropes should be axed for not requiring mixed ancestry.
Edited by MarqFJA on Apr 25th 2019 at 8:21:03 PM
An article about Literally Shattered Lives that accidentally links to Human Popsicle would be great evidence in favour of renaming.
I'm pretty sure Ambiguously Brown is impossible to do with Mixed Ancestry, since knowledge of the ancestry is supposed to explain the skin colour. Not 100% certain, though. It's recently come up elsewhere on the wiki.
What, if any relation, between Characterization Tags and Content Warnings?
A tag can also be a content warning, if it's Dark! or Angsty! or someother things that some readers might not want?
I thought I saw some fanfics that tag their content, not just their characters, but that's few and far between?
"Anime Addventure" did it.
Would Content Warnings be just a site-wide trope, or would it apply to fics as well, since the author would be the one tagging their stories like in Fimfiction.Net has Dark, Gore, Sex, etc, tags?
"Dark" would count as a vague Content Warning, right? Like in Dungeon Keeper Ami?
Edited by Malady on Apr 27th 2019 at 6:22:07 AM
I think you're confused about what Characterization Tags are. Sounds like you're thinking of the long list of tags at the beginning of an Archive Of Our Own fanfic, where there's definitely overlap, as those tags are used as Content Warnings.
But actually, Characterization Tags is a shorthand notation to convey an Alternate Character Interpretation for a specific character. I.e. Fem!Bob or Rational!Alice or Angry!Gay!Charlie. I have a hard time seeing how these could be used as Content Warnings, unless you did something like Suicidal!Bob or Transphobic!Alice, which is not common usage.
^ - Fanfic Header is a redirect to Characterization Tags...
But I think you might be right.
However, "Dark!Harry", would that be an implied Content Warning that the fic is gonna be dark, 'cause a character is?
Edited by Malady on Apr 27th 2019 at 8:04:40 AM
I wouldn't make that assumption, but I don't know if other people would. There's "dark and broody" and "thinks/does murder". I can see either getting Dark!Harry tags. A Harry that emotionally invests in the fact that his parents were part of a wonderful world, that they would've been the ones to teach him about magic and quidditch and diagon alley... Except for one fateful Halloween night... That would be a Dark!Harry, but probably not Dark warning. Again, I don't know if other people would assume that character tags would be content warnings.
Yes, Fanfic Headers is a broader concept than Character Tags.
Let's solve Fanfic Header first, because it's easier.
Do we have a better trope to point it to, and/or if we're disambig-ing, where should it go?
Do we have a general thread for splitting off redirects into their own separate tropes?
Like Tritagonist pointing to Deuteragonist? Since they're different terms and mean different things?
Edited by Malady on Apr 28th 2019 at 5:43:44 AM
I'm not aware of any. I think it's just taken to TLP.
Those two are similar enough to be the same page.
- Ok. No change to Tritagonist.
Speak in Unison is indexed in Mind Manipulation, and Paranormal Tropes...
Since not all examples are going to fit under those indexes, should I remove it from them?
Also, does Finish Dialogue in Unison seem specifically different enough from Speak in Unison, to get its own trope?
Edited by Malady on Apr 28th 2019 at 7:57:01 AM
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How well does it match the trope?