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- Marucho is probably the least popular out of the three constant protagonists: he has neither Dan's Hot-Blooded Determinator tendences nor Shun's cool stoicness and Bishōnen looks and is mostly a stereotypical geek that (besides season 1 and some moments with his Bakugan) generally has no real story arc to begin with. Guess what? He is also voiced by a woman in the dub, much like Baron.
Besides the fact that the identation is inacurate, the whole entry reads more like "least popular in comparison" rather than hated, which I'm pretty sure Marucho is not.
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I don't know anything about Bakugan, I only ever thought Marucho name is funny.
To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
As a South Park fan, I can give my opinion on those 2. My mom and I personally like Mr. Hankey at times but I can understand why others might hate him. I agree his initial push fell flat but I don't think he's worse received than his replacement, Towlie. I'm not sure about him but the entry is very crappy either way.
While her main appearance is fairly infamous and she does act pretty obnoxious, I agree that Lisa Berger doesn't count. When that episode gets brought up, most the hate seems aimed at the poorly done plot and Wendy (though some will defend her). Lisa rarely gets mentioned. I consider her part of the episode's problems rather the main one.
I feel like the Member Berries can stay though, Season 20 was a mess and the Member Berries are considered to be one of the weakest parts of it. Their overall gimmick grows old fast and wasn't that clever to begin with.They're supposed to be a commentary on toxic nostalgia but they constantly bring up Star Wars (possibly as a Take That! at Star Wars The Force Awakened). Doesn't help that their plot ends up being abandoned (likely due to Trump winning the 2016 elections) after lots of buildup (making them both annoying and pointless).
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Member Berries only got cut because they're a group.
Edited by mightymewtron on Apr 9th 2021 at 11:30:48 AM
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But the member berries act like one, tho. They are similar to the kids from k.n.d. who may be a group, but act as an individual.
Edited by Tomodachi on Apr 10th 2021 at 6:26:27 AM
To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
You mean the Delightful Children from Down the Lane, right? Because most of the kids are their own characters, while the Delightful Children are a group but all speak and act in unison, with a few exceptions.
Are we sure Timber Spruce and Flash Sentry are scrappies?
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Not sure about Timber, but absolutely Flash, considering he's a flat Satellite Love Interest (with a lot of Die for Our Ship mixed in) and most people seem to agree he's the worst part of the original EG movie. Apparently, "Slice of Life" was originally even going to have Flash show up and gripe about how nobody liked him.
I do wanna get back to the group point, BTW: can't The Dividual count in this case if they literally act identical to one another and there's no point distinguishing the characters from one another? The only case in which the Member Berries are differentiated is that there's a group of 80's-nostalgia ones and a group of early-20th-century-nostalgia ones and they otherwise act identical.
Edited by mightymewtron on Apr 11th 2021 at 3:00:41 PM
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I am not sure. And I am not so sure about Flash either.
Anyway, a scrappy is not just a controversial character, they must qualify for the following criteria:
- Unintentionally hated by the audience: If this character is supposed to be hated due to being a villain, idiot, or Jerkass, they're a Hate Sink. They can be well received by adding to the enjoyability of the work, if only for the satisfaction of them getting karma.Examples While such characters can overlap with The Scrappy, they have to be hated for different reasons than intended that detract from the work's enjoyability.Examples A character's story should be concluded, seeing if they were supposed to be hated or get due karma, before judging them as a Scrappy or not.
- Hated by the majority of the audience: If they have about as many fans as detractors, even if the latter are more obvious, that's a Base-Breaking Character. Examples of Americans Hate Tingle and Germans Love David Hasselhoff similarly don't count, as they have fans somewhere. Someone not personally liking a character is not this (unless it's a Show Within a Show example). For a character to truly be considered a Scrappy, even the Silent Majority has to dislike this character.
- A single hated character: The Scrappy, as an Audience Reaction, only applies to individual characters. Hated works or products do not count. Groups don't count either as they are not characters, and each character could vary in individual popularity (unless said group is small enough that all of its members can feasibly be judged Scrappies on their own).
- Hated for narrative reasons: They're hated for the perception of being poorly written or detracting from the narrative. If the character is hated for gameplay reasons as opposed to narrative or character writing, that's a Tier Induced Scrappy. If the character is hated because people hate the actor portraying the character, that's X-Pac Heat.
- Hated by the fans of the work: They have to be hated by people who unironically enjoy the work otherwise. Hated by those who dislike the work to begin with don't count.Examples
- Consistently hated: If an otherwise well-received character does something objectionable that's temporary or minor compared to their liked portrayals, or is likable depending on who's writing them, they normally have enough fans not to count as Scrappies.
Edited by Delibirda on Apr 12th 2021 at 4:19:48 PM
"Listen up, Marina, because this is SUPER important. Whatever you do, don't eat th“ “DON'T EAT WHAT?! Your text box ran out of space!”
Flash Sentry hatred seem to cool over the years once he stop being a love interest to Twilight and gave him some characterization. He also gets treated as an ok Hetero love interest for Sunset Shimmer.
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He might've been Rescued from the Scrappy Heap after they shot down his relationship with Twilight, but just barely.
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- The Scrappy: Not that any of the characters are that interesting to begin with, Alfe is, by far, considered one of the worst characters of the show. See Designated Hero and Creator's Pet for more details.
Oh great, a ZCE. But just for fun, let's see the examples it points to.
- Creator's Pet: Alfe. The guy is annoying, arrogant, and whining. Nine times out of ten, he's the one who saves the day.
- Designated Hero: The main trio themselves. While they're technically "good guys" that stop every problem that goes on around them, it should be notified that they're technically responsible for causing the problems in the first place. Alfe especially, since he's the primary instigator for the problems due to his selfish eating habits (such as in "Time Twister") and he's always supposed to be seen as the one who saves the day, thus taking all the credit the other two "Solverz" deserve.
The Creator's Pet entry is also a ZCE and should be burnt to the ground, but Designated Hero seems like a valid example.
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Alfe from the Problem Solverz might count. I've heard critics hate on him in particular (when they're not focusing on the hideous art style that is). However I'm not sure what the show's fans think of him (they tend to be a Silent Minority). He's definitely considered a Designated Hero though.
Patrick from Spongebob should definitely be removed (probably Mr. Krabs as well). Almost all the hate for Patrick comes from Seasonal Rot. There was a tendency to exaggerate many] of his more unpleasent traits during this time (though he was hardly the only one). He's very well liked during the first 4 seasons and to a lesser extent, past season 8 (past season 9 at the latest). Even during this time he was still a Fountain of Memes and had several well-received appearances.
Mr. Krabs was absolutely despised at the peak of the show's Seasonal Rot. He also had a few awful appearances outside seasons 5-7 (most of his worst episodes during that time period). However his portrayals are very inconsistent and he's much closer to a Base-Breaking Character when he's not playing the villain. He fails the consistently hated criteria.
As someone who has watched the "worst" seasons of the show, agreed.
Sugar from Total Drama is definitely a Scrappy. I've seen tons of complaints about her despite TV Tropes saying that she's a Base-Breaking Character. No surprise, given her revolting habits, rude personaltiy and the fact that she antagonizes everyone she comes across.
Edited by sparky2000 on Apr 14th 2021 at 1:50:32 AM
See the criteria I mentioned in one of the above posts.
I've noticed that there's a lot of... odd American Dad fandom reaction examples on the wiki, but the entry for Fung Wah on the Western Animation subpage feels worth pointing out.
- Fung Wah from "American Fung", for whom the plot repeatedly stopped just to obnoxiously gush over, leaving a Bizarro Episode in his wake.
The thing is, while "American Fung" is a divisive episode for its Bizarro Episode nature, this is the joke of the episode in a nutshell. The whole point of the episode is to parody the idea of a Chinese takeover of the show, with the inexplicable addition of Fung Wah as a Gary Stu new protagonist, the characters gushing over him to the expense of any sort of plot, and eventually a full-on Hostile Show Takeover moving the Smith family to China as peasant farmers.
This introduces two issues: one, Fung Wah is not really meant to be a likable character, so the audience not liking him would put him more in the Hate Sink category. Two, the episode is more divisive than outright hated, with many finding it hilarious and thinking Fung Wah serves his purpose fine.
Should it stay, or should it go?
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This is the cleanup for The Scrappy entries, and this seems to be an entry for The Scrappy, so it belongs here.
Oh.
"Listen up, Marina, because this is SUPER important. Whatever you do, don't eat th“ “DON'T EAT WHAT?! Your text box ran out of space!”
For Teruteru Hanamura from Danganronpa I don't really see many haters as like Lisa Berger from South Park people are apathetic towards him. And he's definitely made to be hated due to the fact he's an unrepentant murderer, and purposefully drugs Hajime's food. Hiyoko could probably go too as she seems to basically be a Hate Sink and her target is a Base-Breaking Character. I've played the games and there's no way Hiyoko wasn't unintentionally loathsome.
If not for these problems I would advocate for them to stay but this is Unintentionally hated not intentionally hateable.
Edited by Klavice on Apr 15th 2021 at 11:39:51 AM
I was wondering what to do what to do with "intentional scrappy" cases. A Hate Sink is a character (usually a villain) meant to be loathed for their immoral actions and make the other characters look good in comparison (you're supposed to root against them). I'm talking about characters who are intentionally obnoxious and feel like The Scrappy. Even the other characters might react this way. This is somewhat rare but the best example I can think of is Quips from the Regular Show. Others might include Cubert (Futurama), Patchy The Pirate (Spongebob), and Cousin Kyle (South Park).
If Fung's reception was intentional and his episode has some defenders (the episode is pretty infamous), then he should probably go. The entry is too barebones as written anyway ...
Edited by Idisagree on Apr 15th 2021 at 1:58:17 AM
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I brought up Cousin Kyle before because he's essentially an invoked Ethnic Scrappy, but I do wonder if an "intended" scrappy trope could be worthwhile, as not every character actually ends up being hated by the audience. Something like Scrappy Parody. Another South Park character that fits this is Towelie who is singled out as "the worst character ever" despite having a pretty decent real life fandom.
Edited by mightymewtron on Apr 15th 2021 at 5:28:50 AM
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Requesting some fandom feedback on these The Scrappy entries From South Park:
Personally, I hate Mr. Hankey (except in South Park: Phone Destroyer), but I don't know if that's consensus. There may be some nostalgia for him. He's still being marketed so he can't be that unpopular.
I've never heard anybody hate on Lisa Berger. Granted, I never see anybody talk about Lisa Berger. I think the attitude towards her is more apathy, as she really only had a role in that one episode, and even that was mostly limited to the inciting incident and the gym scene. Either way, not strong enough a reaction to be The Scrappy.
Edited by mightymewtron on Apr 8th 2021 at 9:13:51 AM
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