Is this an example?

Correct.

Edited by Twiddler on Jul 15th 2020 at 12:36:24 PM

It might fall under What Do You Mean, It's for Kids?, though.

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Troper Dere added Adaptational Wimp in Ash Ketchum's character page with the following context:

"Unlike his game counterpart who became the Champion at the end of his Kanto journey and was recognized as a Pokemon Master by Lance, Ash was kept by the writers as a skilled but not Champion-level trainer for most of the series' duration in order to prevent him from becoming overpowered against most opponents, and to justify him traveling all over the world challenging the various Pokemon Leagues. He's slowly closing the gap, though, having finally become the champion of a major League at the end of the Alola series, after which he moved on to the loftier goal of entering the World Coronation Series as his next step in his quest toward becoming a Pokemon Master."

I know that Ash is very controversial among Pokemon fans and that the anime treats its powers and fighting rules differently from the games, so I have to ask: is this valid?

I think the Pokemon writers' stance is that Ash is his own character, not an adaptation of Red, so he's not adaptational anything.

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Is there a better trope for this or am I cool?

Recap.Clone High S 1 E 01 Escape To Beer Mountain A Rope Of Sand

• Gilligan Cut: When Scudworth refuses to do the report of what it's like to be a student at Clone High, The Board Of Shadowy Figures mentions the other option is to kill him, which then cuts Scudsworth immediately getting to work on the report.
  Board Member: Yea that's facinating, but we're paying you to monitor these clones as closely as possible, so if you want to keep your job at Clone High, you either write a report knowing it's like to be a student at Clone High...
  Scudsworth: I'll do no such thing!
  Board Member: Or we're out to kill you.
  Scudsworth: I'll title it, "What It's Like To Be A Teenage Clone: A Rope Of Sand".

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Regarding the trope, Artistic Age would you say this trope applies to the DCAU designs? I mean, Terry and many classmates his age in Batman Beyond are said to be 16, but they look like later teens/early twenties of around 18-22. In Superman Tas, Supergirl is around 16 but doesn't look different from like 24 year old Batgirl. Jl U had another example where Stargirl is a teen but she's drawn like 20-21 year old Supergirl. So do you think artistic age applies to the DCAU?

What precisely is the definition of Split Personality? Both pages mention that real plural systems describe their experience as more like a Mind Hive (which we can personally confirm, at least in our case), but would that mean a realistically-depicted system would be listed under Mind Hive and not Split Personality, or what?

Is it just "Hollywood Style unrealistic depiction of plurality"?

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Can multiple commercials in the same ad campaign qualify for Sequelitis? For example, if one commercial was seen as hilarious, but a spin-off commercial wasn't very well liked. In this case I'm thinking of "Locker Room Meltdown," a sequel to the memetic "Principle Wilson's Meltdown" that got listed on Horrible.Advertising partly because it was such a letdown.

Edited by mightymewtron on Jul 16th 2020 at 2:51:53 PM

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.

From RoleEndingMisdemeanor.Web Original:

• Until July 2020, Shane Farley was a prominent member of the YouTube channel Blind Wave, which is primary known for its Reaction Videos. Then, in a surprise announcement, it was decided that Shane would no longer be participating in the channel due to unspecified reasons, with Shane confirming his departure in a video streamed on Twitch. The other members of Blind Wave haven't gone into detail about what led to Shane leaving, except to stress that he hadn't done anything illegal, that he had undermined their trust by lying to them, and that the decision for him to leave was by mutual agreement (i.e. he wasn't actually fired).

I dunno, on the one hand I'm not sure what else could be said, and it does seem like an example, but it feels weird to have an example that boils down to "a REM totally happened but we don't know what it was."

Thoughts?

Edit: Never mind, I misread the example.

Edited by nrjxll on Jul 17th 2020 at 11:56:13 AM

Was going to add Space Whale Aesop for The Helpful Fox Senkosan.

Dont let a stressful job get too you. Or else a evil nine tailed fox will destroy the world.

Ok. Sure sounds like "fantastic consequences for realistically doable action" to me.

I was thinking of adding the following to the Video Games section of Percussive Therapy:

• Pretty much every single example in Die, Chair, Die! can also count towards this trope, especially the Nintendo Hard ones. So as long as the player's keyboard, mouse, and/or controller are spared from destruction, and they have at least one usable weapon, then every breakable object in the level is at risk.

What I'm wondering is that if it counts as an example, as according to the edit tips, "All of them" isn't an example. Thing is, I'm not just mentioning every video game ever, I'm specifically referring to the ones mentioned in DCD, so it should still count as an example even if it doesn't mention an individual game.

No. A proper example refers to exactly one work, series, or franchise. "Fortnite and Player Unknowns Battle Grounds" would be inappropriate for the same reason.

A proper example also stands on its own, without requiring the reader to look at another page. "Every game listed on Die, Chair, Die!" stops meaning anything if TRS decides that's not a real trope and cuts it.

Edited by wingedcatgirl on Jul 17th 2020 at 2:42:25 AM

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That's also just not what Percussive Therapy means.

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I'm guessing Theme Tune Cameo only applies for the theme tune of the work/franchise itself, and not parodies/Shout-Outs to other works? In that case, examples like this seem like misuse:

• In Deadpool #8, the merc sings Spider-Man's theme song with his own lyrics:
  "Deadpool-Man! Deadpool-Man! Does whatever Deadpool can! Makes a plan, any size, catches thieves and makes them die. Look out! There goes the Deadpool-Man!"

"Leftover items still have value!"

Yeah that's just a Shout-Out.

Also, another question regarding that trope: does the music in question strictly have to be the theme tune, or can it also apply to stuff like various background music, character themes ect. used in this way? Because several examples refer to non-theme tune music (Started a thread regarding this but might as well ask here too)

Edited by Zanreo on Jul 17th 2020 at 5:48:19 AM

"Leftover items still have value!"

This example for Calvin and Hobbes under Strawman Has a Point:

• Calvin's disdain for school is meant to show him as being Brilliant, but Lazy and having Skewed Priorities. While his attitude towards learning certainly isn't healthy and the lack of effort he puts in is a genuine problem ^note And not always just for him; one story arc had him partnered with Susie Derkins for a project, and his refusal to do any research in favor of making things up hurt her grade for the project as well, it's not hard to sympathize with him, considering Ms. Wormwood's first-grade curriculum includes subjects like high-school level algebra and Russian history. One particular arc has him and the rest of the class getting a two-week assignment to make a leaf collection, which Calvin reacts to rather terribly. While Calvin does handle the situation in about the worst way possible (blowing it off to the last day, then trying to submit "alien" leaves that seem to just be maple leaves cut into weird shapes), he does have a point in that the assignment itself is too hard. It's stated that they have to get fifty leaves, which have to each be from fifty different species of tree, then put them in a collection and label each one with both their common and scientific names. That's the sort of assignment you give a botany college student, not a first-grader. Even with two weeks of prep-time, there are adults who would have a tricky time putting that kind of thing together, especially in 1995 when the arc came out. Furthermore, Calvin gets badly bullied at school, doesn't seem to have any real friends there, and is heavily implied to have some kind of undiagnosed learning, mental, and/or social disability which the adults in his life just dismiss the hints of these as him being his disruptive self instead of trying to help him at all or try to dig deeper into why he behaves the way he does. As a result, one can easily see why Calvin hates school and one can't help but genuinely question whether the school Calvin goes to, or even mainstream public education in general, is really the right learning environment for him.

Does this count? There are at least a few strips that show that Watterson is genuinely trying to criticize the school system.

If this fanfic is a darker take on the same themes as that fanfic by the same author, does that make it a valid example to list on DarkerAndEdgier.Fan Works? I ask mainly because it has a note saying to list only the very darkest and edgiest of fanfic, which definitely neither fanfic is.

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Whats the fanfic?

One I'm writing (and crosswicking way later than I should, but entry-pimping my own work makes me feel awkward <.< ).

It's not like it's that dark and edgy, but it definitely makes a point of being darker than the previous fic.

Relatedly: A character searching for matches in a bar, knowing it must have some because "bars having matches is a whole thing". Is this a discussed example of Going by the Matchbook, or is that trope specifically about bar matches as a clue (and "bars always having matches" isn't a trope)?

Relatedly x2: A character ignoring a question and saying "we need to stop arguing and listen" is obviously not an answer, but is it an example of the trope Non-Answer?

Edited by wingedcatgirl on Jul 17th 2020 at 11:10:51 AM

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For the reason you gave, I don't think it counts. Also I recall that some of the schoolwork Calvin blows off is a lot more realistic for his grade level. The school system can be portrayed as questionable and Calvin can be Brilliant, but Lazy with Skewed Priorities, both of these can be true.

The key part of Going by the Matchbook seems to be that matchbooks (or other branded items) can be traced back to specific establishments. So just going by what you've described, it doesn't sound like an example.

Not sure about the other two.

Edited by Twiddler on Jul 18th 2020 at 11:08:59 AM

From The Rise of Kyoshi:

• Deconstruction:
  • F.C. Yee purposefully set out to deconstruct the process of finding the next Avatar, and explores what happens when things go awry:
    • Whenever a figure of authority dies unexpectedly, without a contingency plan in case of any delay in finding their replacement (Jianzhu at one point muses that it's the first time in the history of the Avatar Cycle that the new Avatar has gone undiscovered for so long), chaos will inevitably ensue. This is what happens after Kuruk's death, especially since he died unexpectedly at the age of thirty-three and obviously the reincarnation of him is going to take a while to find, raise to adulthood, and train. There's just no one to fill the hole he leaves in his wake, so the Fifth Nation pirates grow bolder and Jianzhu takes it upon himself to fix the power vacuum. The power consequently goes to Jianzhu's head and he starts going off the deep end.
    • Finding the Avatar as a child should be fairly simple with the Air Nomad method, right? You're just trying to find a kid who's drawn to all four of the toys picked out by the Avatar's past lives. Jianzhu and Kelsang find out that this isn't the case when looking for the Earth Kingdom kid; the Earth Kingdom is the largest and most populous of the Four Nations, so having every seven year old in every village play with the toys takes a lot of time. Also, in the world outside the humble and theocratic Air Nomad culture, young children like toys and don't like for them to be taken away when they get to play with them, and parents don't take too kindly to being told their kids aren't the savior of the world.
    • In addition, the reason they're using the Air Nomad method is because the Earth Kingdom one failed. Due to how large and populated it is, the Earth Kingdom uses geomantic rituals to pinpoint the location of the new Avatar right down to their doorstep. But these rituals prove useless if the new Avatar has a lifestyle that prevents them from staying in one place for too long, as Kyoshi and her daofei parents did.
  • We also get a sobering deconstruction of Give Him a Normal Life. Kyoshi's parents left her in the care of a villager in Yokoya Port, with an Orphan's Plot Trinket of resources that she could use when she grew older, or simply keep to remember them by. As Lek suggests later on, they might have thought their daughter would have a better (and longer) life amongst law-abiding folk...except that the villager immediately reneged on the deal once they left, and threw Kyoshi out into the streets. She was forced to live off garbage scraps to survive as no one wanted an extra mouth to feed, or to take responsibility for the daughter of criminals. Understandably Kyoshi loathes her parents for (as she sees it) abandoning her; far from wanting to find them again, her first reaction when she hears they're dead is relief and satisfaction.

I'm unsure about these examples. The last one seems like a Deconstructed Trope of Give Him a Normal Life, but the rest don't point to any specific trope or genre being deconstructed. Especially the entry on the Earth /kingdom method of finding the avatar, which is something that is introduced at the same moment it is "deconstructed".

~Eagle 70 -

That's a Bait-and-Switch; we were discussing SatAM, not the multimedia franchise. The franchise can qualify as mainstream without any one component meeting the definition. The description specifically excludes children's cartoons from consideration for Mainstream Obscurity. Please notice that the majority of cartoon characters on that page (especially Yogi Bear and Felix the Cat) link to franchise pages, not to a single cartoon series. The point is that they exist as a long-running franchise that the general population knows almost nothing about.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.