Is this an example?

That is roughly correct. X wasn't intending for his mom to die, but the assassin shot X's mom while trying to get to X's daughter.

Both Matricide and Patricide list a few accidental examples. So, assuming they're not being misused, accidental Matricide + Murder by Mistake?

Edited by Twiddler on Jan 31st 2020 at 6:01:29 AM

re Jedi Truth: When it was renamed to Metaphorical Truth, there was supposed to be a split to "Half Truth" as well, which has unfortunately been languishing in TLP for years. Do you think it fits better there?

Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.

re: Jedi Truth, does the Owl actually know the answer? Because the dialogue quote gives me the impression the Owl doesn't know much more than Link ("no one is really sure", "The only one who knows for sure is the Wind Fish").

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A character goes to balls (as in ballroom dancing) just for the music, mostly disliking them otherwise. Close enough in spirit to Just Here for the Free Snacks to qualify as an example?

The Owl is part of the Wind Fish's spirit and the guardian of his dreams, so naturally he knows.

I think that ball music example qualifies.

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Would this be a sufficient example of Adorkable? I find it to be one of those tropes that can be tricky to define/gets misused a lot so I figured I'd vet this example:

Science Fell in Love, So I Tried to Prove it: Main characters Ayame Himuro and Shinya Yukimura are a pair of graduate science students with absolutely zero romantic experience who set out use the Scientific Method to answer What Is This Thing You Call "Love"? in order to determine if they are actually in love with one another. They create graphs and charts detailing when one appears in the other's dreams; early experiments include measuring their heart rates while performing a Wall Pin of Love and working out the ideal angle for Yukimura to lift Himuro's chin to look at her, noting said ideal angle is about the same as used in artificial respiration.

Edited by sgamer82 on Jan 31st 2020 at 9:42:54 AM

This is listed under Narm on YMMV/Persona 5

• The scene toward the beginning of the game's last act where the Big Bad and Black Mask longwindedly describe their own backstories to each other is often singled out as the worst-written scene in the game, as it serves absolutely no in-universe purpose and exists entirely for the benefit of the audience.

I assume this isn't Narm,since it doesn't explain how it's funny, but it's an actual criticism of the game but I'm unsure if it can be under a different trope or if it should just be cut entirely.

I'm illiterate. Superman 64 has a better characters than The Last of Us Part II.

This tells me that their social ineptitude is played for humor, but I couldn't really tell you whether it's played for cuteness. I suppose they are being portrayed in an endearing light.

Focus more on how they get flustered around each other?

I skimmed through Bad Writing Index, but nothing leapt out at me.

Edited by Twiddler on Jan 31st 2020 at 9:23:33 AM

How's this for a take two on Adorkable:

Science Fell in Love, So I Tried to Prove it: Main characters Ayame Himuro and Shinya Yukimura are a pair of graduate students with absolutely zero romantic experience who set out to use the Scientific Method to answer What Is This Thing You Call "Love"? to determine if they are actually in love with one another. Early experiments include measuring their heart rates while performing a Wall Pin of Love and observing the results of an Affectionate Gesture to the Head. They have charts and graphs detailing things like how often one appeared in the other's dreams and, for the sake of additional data, are made to reluctantly admit what they were doing in those dreams. In both cases they were holding hands, prompting the question of whether this commonality is a coincidence or evidence. Himuro in particular has an issue with Expressive Hair, her ponytail twitching and wiggling when flustered by Yukimura.

Edited by sgamer82 on Jan 31st 2020 at 10:33:36 AM

As You Know is usually considered somewhat poor writing to begin with. I dunno if another trope is needed to reiterate that.

In the fifth volume of High School Dx D, Koneko Toujou reveals her true form: a nekomata with cat ears and white tails. Does that count as an example of One-Winged Angel?

Edited by gjjones on Jan 31st 2020 at 1:11:21 PM

He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.

Since, if I remember correctly, Koneko isn't a villain, I would say no. One-Winged Angel is specifically a transformation that empowers a villain and shows they mean business. Could be a Super Mode if she becomes stronger when transformed.

Edited by sgamer82 on Jan 31st 2020 at 11:13:17 AM

Better. Are they unusually embarrassed over the hand-holding, more so than you'd expect them to be? If so, could mention that.

The way it's played one asks "What were we doign in the dream?" "Do you really need to know?" "no reason not to have more data." "We... we were holding hands". Later the scene repeats but with the roles reversed.

Here's a clip with the scene in it if it helps.

Okay, now that I've seen the characters in action, for the example writeup I would definitely focus mainly on their flustered/blushy reactions in general and how that contrasts with their cool and composed demeanors.

Ok. I'll think of how to tweak it and repost when I got something ready.

I'm only vaguely familiar with the source material having heard about it second-hand, not seeing the show directly, but does this addition to Mexicans Love Speedy Gonzales fit:

• Raised By Wolves, a British Black Comedy Sitcom featuring Rebekah Staton (herself from Stoke-on-Trent) was actually well-received by people in the Midlands, although to be fair, it was based on an autobiography by Caitlin Moran, but in a Roman à Clef way.

I wasn't sure if Roman à Clef is used correctly (situation told in Broad Strokes terms with names changed is what I'm implying) and would welcome any assistance to clean up my entry.

Edited by Merseyuser1 on Feb 1st 2020 at 7:45:32 PM

From Supernaturally Young Parent:

• Rapunzel's biological mother in Tangled hasn't aged much even eighteen years after her daughters birth, due to using her hair's magic to stay young.

Is this canonical or speculative?

A Wizard Did It:

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It was Mother Gothel who used Rapunzel's hair to stay young. There's no indication any of the flower's magic was left in her biological mother after it cured her, at least not in the original movie (I haven't seen the TV series or Ever After).

Edited by rjd1922 on Feb 1st 2020 at 3:40:36 AM

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One more shot at an Adorkable entry:

• Science Fell in Love, So I Tried to Prove it: Main characters Ayame Himuro and Shinya Yukimura are a pair of graduate students with absolutely zero romantic experience who set out to use the Scientific Method to answer What Is This Thing You Call "Love"? to determine if they are actually in love with one another. They perform experiments with tropes like the Wall Pin of Love and the Affectionate Gesture to the Head, performing them and measuring the effects they have on the two of them. As seriously as they take this study, they are woefully unprepared for when their experiments work and render them flustered and blushing. Himuro in particular has a ponytail that wiggles and bobbles while her face is blushing red.

Edited by sgamer82 on Feb 1st 2020 at 4:56:14 AM

Great, I would just add a brief mention of their usual demeanors somewhere. For example,

a pair of cool, logical graduate students

From OddballInTheSeries.Video Games:

• Super Smash Bros. Brawl stands out among other games in the series. In addition to featuring the first appearances of non-Nintendo characters with Snake and Sonic The Hedgehog, it is also the only game in the series to feature an in-depth story campaign with The Subspace Emissary, replete with fully-featured platforming stages and FMV cutscenes^note Super Smash Bros. Ultimate has a story mode of its own in the form of World of Light, but it consists of a series of fights under various conditions instead of platforming. In addition, from a gameplay perspective, it is also among the least competition-friendly game in the series, due to various mechanics that discourage hardcore tournament-style play (including random tripping).

I question the validity of this example for the following reasons: The inclusion of third-party characters became a mainstay in the series, so the first part of the entry's reasoning is moot. Secondly, it argues that its Adventure Mode was very different from the others in the series, which is also moot since Adventure Mode itself has used different formats in the games where it appeared, so there's no real parameter here. The only tidbit that would somehow make Brawl be an oddball is the non-competitive gameplay, but the way it's written here is more complain-y than anything else (it has a pothole to a negativity-oriented YMMV page, for one).

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Is a One-Liner said by a character as they're killing someone a Pre-Mortem One-Liner or a Bond One-Liner?

I think Bond One-Liner is specifically post mortem. If they're still alive/in the process of being killed, I'd say it's Pre-Mortem

Edited by sgamer82 on Feb 1st 2020 at 10:17:11 AM