Do you have trouble remembering the difference between Deathbringer the Adorable and Fluffy the Terrible?
Do you have trouble recognizing when you've written a Zero-Context Example?
Not sure if you really have a Badass Bookworm or just a guy who likes to read?
Well, this is the thread for you. We're here to help you will all the finer points of example writing. If you have any questions, we can answer them. Don't be afraid. We don't bite. We all just want to make the wiki a better place for everyone.
Useful Tips:
- Make sure that the example makes sense to both people who don't know the work AND don't know the trope.
- Wrong: The Mentor: Kevin is this to Bob in the first episode.
- Right: The Mentor: Kevin takes Bob under his wing in the first episode and teaches him the ropes of being a were-chinchilla.
- Never just put the trope title and leave it at that.
- Wrong: Badass Adorable
- Right: Badass Adorable: Xavier, the group's cute little mascot, defeats three raging elephants with both hands tied behind his back using only an uncooked spaghetti noodle.
- When is normally far less important than How.
- A character name is not an explanation.
- Wrong: Full Moon Silhouette: Diana
- Right: Full Moon Silhouette: At the end of her transformation sequence into Moon Princess Misty, Diana is shown flying across the full moon riding a rutabaga.
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For cleaning up examples of Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard, you must use their dedicated threads: Complete Monster Cleanup, Magnificent Bastard Cleanup.
Edited by Synchronicity on Sep 18th 2023 at 11:42:55 AM
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- One-Winged Angel, 'cause it's not a Split Personality?
How evil is she, actually?
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Birdygamer
She said she wanted to return to Equestria with her powers but she never said what she'll do
Return from where?
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Birdygamer
Discord's Dimension
Birdygamer
So it was a One-Winged Angel form? Was it a good kind or bad kind?
Musician/Composer
Reposting from the previous page.
Anyway, I would like to discuss the following example in Trivia.Sakura Wars 4 Fall In Love Maidens:
- When Sega began to end production of the Dreamcast, Overworks was given ten months to complete the game after they declined to port it for the Play Station 2. As such, they reused graphics from Is Paris Burning? and scrapped their original plans to set the game in Taiwan and New York. Despite that, it worked.
Is this a true example of Christmas Rushed?
Edited by gjjones on Jun 22nd 2019 at 12:04:31 PM
He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.
I think Troubled Production would be a better fit for that example.
Also reposting this from the previous page:
There are 2 In-Universe examples of They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character on WebVideo.Some Call Me Johnny which I believe are misuse:
- They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character:
- He found it disappointing that Link was completely unexplored in Breath of the Wild, especially since he actually goes by Link and not a player name, signifying that this incarnation of the character has his own personality and identity instead of just being the player's means of interacting with the world around them.
- Found it really disheartening that Wes, the protagonist of Pokemon Colesseum, wasn't explored at all outside of the intro. Since the intro establishes him as being a former criminal who blows up his boss's base while smiling and stealing his old unit's equipment, Johnny was hoping for a more fleshed out and darker take on a Pokemon protagonist. Instead, he ends up being the standard silent protagonist that Pokemon has always had.
They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character from my understanding is for when a character doesn't get enough screentime. Both of these examples for protagonists, characters who get the most screentime, and are more about how they're portrayed, which They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character is often misused for. I tried bringing up the Wes example on the cleanup thread, but I didn't get a response.
Decoy Protagonist: In the intro of Heads and Tails 13th season (Heaven and Hell) there is a bald man. It looks like he's going to be one of the hosts of this season, but it turns out he's actually holding this season's real hosts, Regina and Lesya. Both beg him not to send them to Hell (any of the WretchedHives), but he says they can't decide but coin can and never appears anywhere except this intro. Even his name isn't said.
Edited by Ratyher on Jun 22nd 2019 at 8:24:31 PM
he/him | Image Pickin' regular
I assume you mean Heads Or Tails Yeah, that seems like a valid example, but the grammar is bad.
Musician/Composer
In episode 9 of the Netflix dub for Neon Genesis Evangelion, Asuka gives off a hearty "You look like you drowned shit!" as she points to Shinji's crashed Unit 01 during the aftermath of their first battle.
Since this is a TV-14 show, does that count as Precision F-Strike?
Also in that episode, there's a DHL moving truck as well as DHL boxes. Fittingly enough, they're based in Germany, where Asuka was born. Throughout the series, Yebisu beer makes a prominent appearance. Do those examples count as Product Placement?
Edited by gjjones on Jun 23rd 2019 at 5:28:04 AM
He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.
Reposting from the previous two pages:
And are the following examples from Hellboy (2019) being used correctly?:
- The Man Behind the Monsters: Though aided by some human cultists, Nimue has an army of monsters at her back and call to unleash havok upon the world.
- Ms. Fanservice: Milla Jovovich as Nimue◊ is sporting some serious Absolute Cleavage in her look. Justified since she is apparently trying to seduce Hellboy to her side.
Human Bean
From Grezzo 2:
- Missing Episode: A "Grezzo 1" exists, it was made by the author in 2004 during his high school days. It had the same levels of the original Doom, only with different sounds and sprites for the enemies. It featured many in-jokes understandable only by him and few other people, so he felt it wasn't worth being published online.
Do Anakin Skywalker and Padme Amidala from Attack of the Clones really qualify as Designated Heroes? The YMMV pages delivers the following argument:
"Anakin acts like an arrogant jerk the whole movie, treats his supposed friend and mentor Obi-Wan in the rudest and most condescending way possible whenever they're on screen, then shit-talks him more behind his back, forms a disturbing obsession with Padmé based on meeting her once when he was 9 years old, openly discusses how he wishes the Republic would be taken over by a dictator so people could be "made to agree", and single-handedly perpetrates a genocide, all before his supposed fall from the light side. Padmé doesn't come off much better, between handing her government position to Jar-Jar during a time of crisis despite his track record of obvious incompetence and telling Anakin the aforementioned genocide isn't a big deal because everyone gets angry sometimes."
Last time I checked, Anakin is not supposed to be a squeaky-clean hero and the prequels do show that even before he became Darth Vader, he was still susceptible to anger and rash decisions. Also, the accusations against Padme are based more on unforeseen circumstances rather than intentional decisions. Really, this just comes off as troper ading having something against the characters rather than any valid criticism towards the movie. What do you think?
Lost in Space
I agree. The whole prequel trilogy exists to portray Anakin's fall to the Dark Side, so the fact that he's not a squeaky clean hero is intended. That example is just complaining... or more specifically, completely missing the point.
Edited by Fighteer on Jun 23rd 2019 at 12:45:29 PM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Showtime!
For Andrix: I think those examples work
Absolute destiny... apeachalypse?
In Yugioh, Bakura finds a weaken Pegasus and still steals his millennium item. What's the name of the trope? I've seen it before in other anime as well. Where an antagonist is weaken and then a third character would come and take advantage of the situation.
Assuming it's not on the Yu-Gi-Oh! page somewhere, that might be a question better suited to Trope Finder.
This thread is for determining if already existing examples fit the trope they're listed with and occasionally vetting potential entries for a trope.
sgamer82 Awesome, thanks. I'm new to the site so I'm figuring everything out.
Given how frequently Audience-Alienating Premise is misused on the wiki is this example from War of the Realms a valid example?:
- Audience-Alienating Premise: The fact that we're getting another line-wide event, in a decade with an absurd amount of events, has scared a lot of people off. You have tons of tie-ins, with many books joining in on the story. If you're not put off by the sheer amounts of content or the fact that it's yet another event, the price tag can easily make you think twice about jumping on. Not helping is that it's helmed by one of Marvel's most contentious writers of late, Jason Aaron.
And from the same work are the following examples being used correctly?:
- Locked Out of the Loop:
- Zig-zagged to hell and back. Despite being the big finale to the Myth Arc and involving Earth, not every title is getting involved, which sticks with Marvel's desire not to enact such big plots with massive tie-ins. For instance, while the X-Men are involved, they are attached to a three issue mini-series leaving the other titles free for Age of X-Man (which involves almost every mutant in the Marvel world trapped in an alternate, utopian reality created by X-Man) and its aftermath.
- An interesting case involves Venom, with both Eddie Brock and the Venom symbiote acting separately under that moniker — Donny Cates' Venom #12 having ended with the symbiote realizing it's been a terrible partner to Eddie and them going their separate ways. Eddie tricks one of Malekith's war-witches into giving him an artificial symbiote; while the Venom symbiote joins the War Avengers and is captured by Malekith, who tries to turn it into his own version of All-Black. In Issue #14, Eddie even outright states he has no clue what's going on.
- Carnage — who himself has his own event happening right after War of the Realms ends — has been travelling around the United States hunting past and present symbiote hosts. It was acknowledged on Twitter that North America being glaciated into New Jotunheim would put a crimp in this crusade, but no indication has been given that we'll see him doing anything about it.
I'm helping!
Has the alleged Audience-Alienating Premise actually alienated the audience?
Description in the Mirror is any "Describe character, that involves a mirror", right?
It doesn't have to be the first description of the character?
It'd also be implied, if the character is looking in a mirror, but we don't get a Second / First Person thought stream about them looking in the mirror, but still get an Omniscient Third Person description?
Like this:
"Jaune admired herself in the mirror. Jaune had hair like the golden sun" ... ?
Edited by Malady on Jun 23rd 2019 at 8:56:05 AM
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I'm increasingly convinced about half of all Audience-Alienating Premise "examples" are written from the perspective of "it alienated me and I'm an audience".
Which is odd, because I thought its problem used to be Complaining About People Not Liking the Show, not being used FOR complaining.
Edited by nrjxll on Jun 23rd 2019 at 11:07:00 AM
Audience-Alienating Premise requires objective proof audiences were alienated, (IE. commercial failure).
Question about Franchise Original Sin, how far back does the sin have to go (first, second, or third work, decades)?
Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Jun 23rd 2019 at 9:06:26 AM
In Issue 57 of the IDW MLP comics, Pinkie Pie turns herself into an alicorn and dubs herself "the princess of chaos", does this count as a One-Winged Angel form for Pinkie Pie, or a Superpowered Evil Side?