Is this an example?

From Darkness Rising Part 2: This is pretty blatantly taken from TF Wiki.net: Continuity Nod: Dark Energon is an all-encompassing goal for Megatron in this continuity, first being used in the War For Cybertron games, as well as in the Transformers: Exodus novel. Megatron and Starscream's introductory conversation about the substance is very expository for the benefit of viewers who haven't read the book or played the game, to the extent that it sounds like neither of them has encountered it before, and neither Arcee nor Ratchet is indicated to have any familiarity with the substance, despite having seen it first-hand back during the war. And yet, Arcee does compare Decepticon experiments during the war on Cybertron to the substance's effect on Cliffjumper, without explicitly naming the stuff (though previously it didn't make anyone crazed zombies.... On the other hand, it was never used on a dead guy before (that we know of) - in fact, it always left deceased users and sought for living ones, which is kinda weird for a substance which could merely rise the user from the dead. Sorry, Cliff, them's the breaks). It's all a bit wobbly; while the cartoon almost certainly seems to have been written as if it is the characters' first encounter with Dark Energon, the dialogue does have enough wiggle room if you're obstinate, like us!

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It's the exact same section from the TF Wiki's Continuity Notes

Hi!

Yeah that can just be removed since it’s blatant plagiarism. I don't even know from the description how there's a Continuity Nod.

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Reposting two questions I've posted in the last month, neither of which have been answered yet.

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First: I've been working on a couple of pages off-site, but I'm wondering now if a couple of examples I came up with actually fit.

Without directly quoting them...

• Case 1: Book (number) of this series introduces a major plot-relevant character for that book, who leaves at the end. He later returns in a guest role in two other books of the series, one where the characters go to ask him for help and one where he simply returns to town for a special event. Would these instances really be a case of The Bus Came Back (which the trope's main page says is explicitly for "main characters", while neither the laconic or Playing With pages mention that aspect)? Or would it be a different trope?

• Case 1.5: Similarly, another book in the same series features two villains (the book's Big Bad and his chief enforcer), who return unexpectedly in a later installment. Again: does the surprise reappearance of a plot-relevant, expected-to-be-one-shot character(s), count as The Bus Came Back?

• Case 2: Unexpected Character is a YMMV trope for characters the fans don't expect to see in a work, and there's no Playing With page for it (since, as I've read repeatedly, YMMV tropes "cannot be played with"). But... if a couple of regular characters show up at an event when the other characters don't expect them, does that count as an In-Universe version of the trope?
  
  
  • (Likewise, would the situation described under case 1.5 qualify as an in-universe Unexpected Character situation? Because the main characters explicitly didn't expect to ever hear from these villains ever again after their arrest and conviction.)

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Second: found this on YMMV.The Prince Of Egypt (and, it should be noted, it was never crosswicked):

• Crosses the Line Twice: While a nice song by itself, "When You Believe" comes off as Mood Dissonance. Lyrics such as "it's hard to kill" are hard to swallow coming not long after we saw the Angel of Death do nothing but that and seeing Rameses grieving. It also plays to the Egyptians happily seeing off the Hebrews leaving. Those same Egyptians who just lost their firstborns, would obviously be mourning...not celebrating.

Having watched the scene, I do not believe this is an example of the trope, and I'm requesting permission to cut based on these following points:

First, the line they're referring to is, in full: "Though hope is frail, it's hard to kill". Key word there being hope, as in "hope is hard to kill". It is completely unrelated to the Angel of Death's actions.

Second, "the Egyptians happily seeing off the Hebrews leaving"? There are maybe three possible non-Hebrews in the scene (as in, people who do not actively join the Hebrews in their departure), none of whom looked to be celebrating — one merely looks in their direction before taking his head-covering off and dropping his head as if in grief, and the other two appear to be guards, neither of whom look happy — they just drop their spears and shields and walk away.

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Until next time...

Anon e Mouse Jr.

Does Back from the Brink apply to a faction that the hero of the story does not belong to? And does it apply to offscreen time between installments? Basically a non-player faction gaining power offscreen? Do we have a better trope for this scenario? This is the example for the West Coast Brotherhood of Steel from Fallout (2024):

• Back from the Brink: In Fallout: New Vegas, the West Coast Brotherhood of Steel was in bad shape, having just lost a war with the NCR and, in most endings, wiped out by whichever faction The Courier chooses, or becoming petty raiders. The only good ending they get is if they ally with the NCR in their ending. Here, thanks to backup from the Commonwealth chapter and the NCR capital at Shady Sands having been decimated in the interim, the Brotherhood is at the very least the largest military force in the region.

I never got a response on the previous page on how Marvel Puzzle Quest's gameplay is In Name Only, namely, it's not like Puzzle Quest but rather like Puzzle & Dragons. Could someone please explain it?

Hi!

You know, if the example doesn't explain it well enough, you could just cut it. There's a reason this thread is called "Is this an example?" and not "How is this an example?"

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x4: I agree The Prince of Egypt example is not accurate to the film, and it seems weird to try to find Black Comedy in a film that is anything but in it's second half.

As for the cases, I think Case 1 could count as The Cameo (unless they had a significant role in this installment), but Case 1.5. would definitely count as The Bus Came Back. There are only a couple in-universe examples for Unexpected Character, and I don’t know any other tropes that would fit Case 2. You could ask on Trope Finder too, though.

Edited by CanuckMcDuck1 on Apr 23rd 2024 at 5:37:54 AM

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(nods) Will keep that in mind them, thank you for the assistance.

Until next time...

Anon e Mouse Jr.

Does Trap, a psychological thriller about a serial killer attending a pop concert, qualifies for the Music Stories index?

The Owl House and Coyote Vs Acme are my Roman Empire.

Unless the band is also seen offstage, I would say it doesn't.

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YMMV.Virtua Fighter

• Polished Port:
  • If there's anything the console versions of the various versions of Virtua Fighter 5 are known for, it's two things:
    1. They look prettier than their arcade counterparts.
    2. The online netcode is considered by even the most casual fighting game fans to be the best netcode for fighting games at the time of its release, with practically no lag except in the most extreme conditions. ^noteKeyword: at the time. When Ultimate Showdown was released almost a decade and a half later, it would retain the exact same delay-based netcode infrastructure that Sega had been using ever since the original VF5 (plus some aid by way of Google relays), to less than stellar results.
  • The PS3 and Xbox 360 ports of Virtua Fighter 2, which thankfully port the arcade version instead of the inferior Sega Genesis version.

The first example has some weird formatting going on here, Also, was the netcode even good at all if the example admits that the PS4 port, which had the same netcode, preformed poorly?

The second example isn't even an example at all; the Genesis version is a completely different game to the arcade version and its derivitives. I don't get what the example is trying to say, did people actually expect Sega to port the Genesis version to the 7th gen consoles instead of the arcade version? I doubt it.

Edited by PlasmaPower on Apr 23rd 2024 at 6:41:02 AM

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A character doesn't qualify for Only Has Same-Sex Admirers if there's only one admirer, right?

A general "how to know if the port is good" doesn't explain anything (and if it's already dated, that's not helping it’s case), and you're right if the Genesis version is just a different version of the game entirely. Potentially cut both.

You’re right, the trope relies on crowds of admirers. Otherwise, it would be more like any other romance or unrequited love trope.

Edited by CanuckMcDuck1 on Apr 23rd 2024 at 8:38:28 AM

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Does Diagnosis of God allow diagnoses of physical disorders? The trope description seems to allow for it ("In response, a creator confirms outside of the work that they intend for their character to have a real-life disorder, whether one categorized as mental (like depression), neurological (like autism), or physical (like a traumatic brain injury); alternatively, they deny it."), but all examples on the trope page involve mental conditions. The draft entry, if allowed, would be as follows:

• The Dummy's Dummy: While Yumi is always drawn with white (or very blond hair), fairer skin than the rest of the cast, and red eyes, readers initially take it as a stylistic choice. When she goes out in the daylight for the first time^note she's been out at night several times, however, she's seen wearing unseasonably long, dark clothing that covers her entire body except her hands and face, and dons a pair of sunglasses, which led some reader to suspect her of having albinism, since her clothing indicates her having medically significant photosensitivity issues, and her appearance is consistent with usual fictional depictions of albinism. This is confirmed by the author in a Q&A.

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Found this on Characters.Persona 3 Protagonists

• Women Are Wiser: Downplayed. While her fighting skills and intelligence are equal to that of the Male Protagonist she lacks his jerkass tendencies tendencies and is much more friendly and polite.

Being wise doesn't always equate to being nicer and the fact that the entry flat out states their intelligence is equal, doesn't seem to fit.

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31414 It does. It even involves prosthetic legs, arms and eyes. Or "The character didn't hear it because they are almost completely deaf on the left ear thanks to the curse/ because of war injury".

Edit: There is an example in literature as diagnosed with "Ehlers-Danlos syndrome" which is purely physical condition. Also, polycystic ovary syndrome and similar things.

31415 Intelligence and wisdom are not the same thing. She is indeed slightly wiser than him because she doesn't start fights and does better with the things she has. Basically, emotional intelligence is part of wisdom.

Edited by youngstormlord on Apr 24th 2024 at 12:49:36 PM

Does this prospective example for VideoGame.Clangen qualify as No Sympathy?

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• No Sympathy: If a cat dies, and a Clanmate has a high enough feeling of "dislike" towards them, the game may describe them as showing a pointed lack of sympathy. Furthermore, the Clanmate will not become afflicted with the "grieving" status. Clanmates with high enough feelings of "jealousy" towards the departed may exhibit similar behaviour. These scenarios can happen even if the Clanmate in question has a generally benevolent nature. If the deceased was murdered, a Clanmate's apathetic reaction can serve as a clue to the killer's identity if it hasn't been revealed yet, as murder is dependent on the "dislike" stat.
  (Cat 1) approaches the clearing where (Cat 2)'s body lies, cold and lifeless. Defying expectations of sympathy and grief, (Cat 1) instead curses their fallen Clanmate to the Dark Forest where they belong.

"As long as I have my comrades with me, I can do anything!" (She/Her) (Current Focus: Cleaning Hell Is That Noise misuse)

Knew that would be brought up. Just making sure I'd valid.

Edit: fixed wording and the arrow.

Edited by Ayumi-chan on Apr 24th 2024 at 9:21:26 PM

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I'm toying with the idea of making a TLP about how angels earn their wings, like in It's A Wonderful Life (I have three examples), but I'm wondering: if an angel gets power from obtaining their wings, is that an inversion of Power Gives You Wings, since the wings are giving them power? Or is it more of a zig-zag, since they're getting power and wings at the same time?

Does it count as Vague Age if the character in question may or may not be Really 700 Years Old? I'm a little unclear on how involved she was in a plan centuries in the making but it sounds like it was under her leadership. Nobody's age is given but she was stated to look younger than the MC.

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Trivia.X Men Destiny

• Cowboy BeBop at His Computer: It didn't make it into the final game, but in the prototype there was a fight against Juggernaut where the objective was to attack him until his health bar was depleted. Staff members more familiar with the source material said that Marvel would never approve of the fight due to it conflicting with canon (Juggernaut isn't a mutant; his powers are magic-based, thus he's one of the few Marvel characters who is truly invulnerable). These concerns were ignored on the basis that these were pointless nitpicks and no one would actually care. When the boss fight was submitted for approval, Marvel's rejection was also accompanied by them shipping several copies of the Marvel Encyclopedia: X-Men book to the studio.

I’m pretty sure that this trope is supposed to be about the media getting facts wrong about the work. Not the developers.

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Does it count as Everyone Is a Tomato if the readers are already aware of the reveal due to Dramatic Irony? In the example I have in mind the protagonist is Locked Out of the Loop regarding the criminal connections of most people he knows.

Do we know for sure if this character is Really 700 Years Old or not? And by that I mean, has this character lived a significantly longer life-span than what should be biologically possible? If the debate is "I'm not sure if they're 700 or 2000", then it's Really 700 Years Old. If it's "I'm not sure if they're 30 or 700", then it's Vague Age, though you should throw the 700 thing in the description.

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Given that it is derived from Tomato Surprise, which involves a reveal that was intentionally hidden from the viewer, I would say it doesn't count if we knew about it from the start.

As for my question, to clarify, this is a fantasy setting with elves and vampires. While I believe the character in question is human, it is also established there are ways to extend a person's life with magic in this world. I have no idea if that was done with her. The plan I was talking about involves sewing unrest in a group of immortals, which took over a century to accomplish and it sounds like it was all under her leadership but I only heard about it secondhand from one of her subordinates and I'm missing details.

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Agreed. Everyone Is a Tomato requires that the audience be "surprised" too. It is the logical extreme of Tomato in the Mirror, in which the writers keep revealing more and more characters to be members of the group in question.

Honestly, if it weren't for the titles being well established in literary criticism, I'd be concerned about their ambiguity.

The difference between Tomato in the Mirror and Tomato Surprise is that, in the former both the audience and character are in the dark, whereas in the latter it's just the audience.

Edited by Fighteer on Apr 24th 2024 at 5:22:18 AM

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

So it's just Locked Out of the Loop and Internal Reveal then.

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