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Glitching in the MCU

• So if the MCU is implied to be canon in Sony's multiverse, then it means the events of Spider-Man: No Way Home and Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness also happened. If that's the case, why didn't the displaced villains and the Spider-Men from Earth-96283 (Raimi-verse) and Earth-120703 (Webb-verse) suffer from the 'glitches' during their stay in Earth-199999? Or why the Earth-199999 Doctor Strange and Wanda Maximoff didn't suffer from the glitches as well when they travel to other universes (America Chavez could probably be excused because being an interdimensional traveler is pretty much her thing, so she could be a rare exception)?
  • Wanda never traveled to another universe under her own power. She used magic to possess her Alternate Self. When she did physically travel to another Earth, it was because America took her there. The same is true of Doctor Strange. If America herself is protected from glitching, then it's possible that anyone she takes with her could be similarly protected.
  • The method of travel could be a factor in the glitching. All multiversal travel in the Spider-Verse films appears to work based on Super-Collider tech to bridge the gap between dimensions. Using sorcery, America's powers, or whatever tech the TVA uses probably results in a safer, non-glitching transfer.
  • Miguel found a way to prevent the glitching with the wristbands, so presumably Dr Strange could do the same thing with magic. America herself is likely an exception in general since her inherent powers allow her to travel the multiverse freely, so it makes sense she can avoid glitching.
  • We see that the animated characters stay animated when in the live-action universes, so maybe there's something quantum-mumbo-jumbo about their inherent composition that makes their atoms less receptive to being outside of their own universes.
  • As I understand it the MCU is sort of a "sub-multiverse" that exists embedded inside the greater Marvel multiverse as a whole, which is how different universes within it can cross paths without any glitches happening. Of course, the real reason is that you can't possibly coordinate different writers with different visions of how everything all works out.

Glitching in the MCU 2

• If Miles is supposedly 'the original anomaly' because he contains venom from the Earth-42's super spider, why does he never experience any sort of glitching in his own world after becoming Spider-Man?
  • Miles himself isn’t the anomaly. It’s the fact that he became Spider-Man that is. That spider wasn’t of his earth and was never meant for him. And him being bitten set off a chain of events that never were supposed to occur. That said, he’s still a natural inhabitant of his earth, so he’s not going to glitch there. And when he winds up in Earth-42 he does start glitching because of that fact.
  • I think that Miguel is just over exaggerated the whole ‘Miles is an anomaly’ accusation. Even though Miles did receive his powers from Earth-42’s spider, Miles himself is still a native of his universe, which is why he doesn’t glitch. That being said, it’s implied that since this Miles was never supposed to become Spider-Man, the fact he becomes one unexpectedly means that according to ‘canon’, the Peter Parker of their dimension had to die, which is yet another thing Miguel accused Miles of being responsible for. Whether or not this has any merit is probably up to our interpretations or it will be answered in the sequel.
  • Miguel's flashback showed his very existence seemed to challenge the canon and summon those Blackholes, he never mentioned a specific canon break, yet Miles' doesn't. Miles had already been Spider-Man for some time and Spot was the only thing causing those rifts to appear there. If Miles was truly an anomaly in the same was how does he have a canon event tied to him still? Plus the tech company that led to the Rifts is present in many worlds, and Spot was able to use their tech to empower himself, so things crossing between universes seems to be it's own sort of canon, or at least consistently possible across them. So there would likely be a lot of anomalies like Miles'. And in the end we know despite losing their Spider-Man that Universe 42 hasn't imploded and is still a reachable part of the Spider-Verse. Seems Miguel doesn't have the whole picture, and it letting his trauma blind him to a degree to how complex it all is.
  • One obvious possibility is that Miguel only caused the anomaly because he outright replaced his other self in an alternate dimension, and the trauma of that error has driven him to overcompensate and fixate on the idea that dimensions that don't follow "canon" will inevitably collapse, rather than consider how outliers such as Gwen being the Spider-Person of her Earth rather than The Lost Lenore show that the multiverse is more complex than that.

Canon Events

• What is a canon event and why would Spider-Man's personal journey tie in with the fabric of reality? If you make the case that it's any change to the reality via other dimensions then any sort of dimensional travel (including Miguel's own gathering of the spider people) equally bad. In a word, while it's a nice plot tool, what sense do Canon Events make?
  • While under a different name, canon events are probably similar to “fixed points” as they were told in the Doctor Strange episode of “What If…?” or as discussed in Doctor Who. So they likely aren’t Spider-Person specific, they just happen to be the relevant focus for the movie.
• Are canon events predestined and will happen or just situations that must play out if the circumstances that cause them are right? Spot is an anomaly that is not supposed to exist, but he is responsible for at least 2 canon events, the deaths of Captain Singh(which Miles stopped) and Jefferson(which Miles plans on stopping). Miles himself is an anomaly, yet he experienced an "Uncle Ben" canon event with his uncle Aaron. As pointed out in Fridge Brilliance, Gwen's dad was about to be crushed by rubble trying to save a child during a villain attack at the beginning of the movie, but that wasn't considered a canon event and the Spider-Society saved him with no apparent threat to that universe.
  • This is getting into WMG territory, but—assuming Miguel isn't completely off-base—it's possible that wasn't the death of Captain Singh, or the universe is trying to course-correct before glitching up completely.

Miguel's Canon Event

• What canon event did Miguel break by replacing his counterpart? Perhaps this ties in with the above question, but why would him living in another world cause any sort of damage unless all long-term dimensional travel was equally devastating?
  • Probably whatever effect that universe’s Miguel’s death was supposed to have on either the world at large or just those he was close to (like his daughter) was disrupted due to his being there.
  • It could also have been the dual effect of him replacing his other self and abandoning his own world; he was able to compensate for the anomalies in his own world by returning, but he couldn't fix the anomalies in this other reality.
  • Alternatively, he may not have broken a Canon event at all. Considering the confirmation that this takes place in the same multiverse as the MCU, it's quite possible that Miguel caused an Incursion when he took his dead counterpart's place and when that universe was destroyed as a result, he came to the wrong conclusion about what the cause actually was.
    • Similarly, it's possible the universe he was inhabiting was undone by something else entirely, and his nature as a foreigner to it spared him, and Miguel is blaming himself for something he never could have predicted or prevented. Would be far from the first time a Spider-Man did that.

The Death of a Captain

• This one is easily explained away, but since when is the death of a captain a key part of a Spider-Man's story? It fits with the Peter Parkers that have Gwen Stacy in their life, but even then, it's less key than say, the death of Gwen Stacy. And for others like Spider-Ham, Miguel, and the spider-jeep, the idea that they too witnessed the death of a captain on top of losing their own 'uncle ben' seems unlikely to say the least.
  • It's implied that the Death of a Gwen Stacy is also a canon event as well since Gwen mentioned to Miles when they reunited that "any Gwen Stacy who falls for Spider-Man doesn't end well". The only way she could've known this is if she is shown a montage of her alternate selves dying shortly after falling in love with their respective Spideys. It's just that for some universes, a "Captain" figure's death also happens to be another major event that's important enough to a Spidey's life to be considered a canon event as well. Basically, these canon events are not universal to every single universe, but they're still important enough to some that - according to Miguel - will have catastrophic effects if they're not allowed to play out as they should. Whether or not he's correct remains to be seen.

Why does Miguel gather the spider-folk?

• His whole mission is to prevent excess dimensional travel. Beyond the originally described elite strikeforce, why has he brought so many Spider-Men together which seems to raise dramatically the chances of disrupting a canon event?
  • It’s not simply being in a foreign universe that causes issues, it’s primarily the glitching that messes things up. And Miguel’s watch prevents the glitching of the other Spiders.
  • He also might think he has no other choice. He needs help getting the villain anomalies under control. If that means he needs an army to handle everything, what else is he going to do?

Miguel's hostility towards an 'anomaly'

• So Miles was bitten by spider from another dimension (which we eventually see). Why is this so problematic to Miguel? It causes no non-canon events apparently (since there's no sign he's cleaning up rifts), results in a new Spider-Man who in fact stops the original dimensional rift from getting bigger. The hostility later per Miles not wanting the canon event to occur makes sense, but is the choice to shun Miles from the group simply elitism?
  • Because it means that not only was another universe deprived of its destined Spider-Person, had Miles not been bitten, his Peter would have not only lived, but he would have stopped the events of the first movie before it even started, meaning there would be no anomalies at all.
  • It’s likely Miguel’s hostility stems from seeing himself in Miles, and Miguel hates himself. He chose to leave his universe and become an anomaly so he could have a family, and that led to the destruction of an entire world. Miguel blames himself for choosing his own selfish desires over his greater responsibilities, for failing as Spider-Man. Now he sees it happening all over again with Miles — another anomaly that’s “stolen” another Spider-Man’s place. Before Miles has even heard of the threat Canon events, Miguel knows how he’ll react — that he’ll disobey orders and make the same reckless mistake he did for the same selfish reasons, and that’s why he can never risk letting him join. He rejects Miles because he rejects himself; deep down he doesn’t believe either of them deserve to be Spider-Man.

Double Standard for Spider-Gwen?

• One of the canon events that every Spider-Man has to go through is the death of a police captain close to a Spider-Person during a Villain battle. Now in the beginning of the movie, Spider-Gwen was fighting the Vulture from another reality with Miguel and Jessica showing up to assist. During the fight, a helicopter was sent crashing into the museum where Gwen Stacy's father who is a police captain tries to save some people. Now this seems like definitely a clear-cut and dry Canon Event where Captain George Stacy dies and Miguel would have to stop Gwen from saving her father. However, Miguel does not bring up a Canon event happening and even helps Gwen Stacy stop the helicopter from falling on her father. How come Gwen Stacy is allowed to keep her father then but Pavitr Prabhakar and Miles Morales are supposed to lose their own "Captain Stacy" because those are canon events? And what's more, Captain Stacy ends up quitting the Police force and that does not end Gwen's universe. What gives?
  • Regarding the first point, it seems that not every threat to the Captain's life is a canon event. They have an algorithm that helps them track and predict the events that are important enough to be designated as canon events and the Vulture attack was clearly not one for Gwen. Regarding the second point, Gwen's dad quitting is a moment of realisation for her and a plot point in the film - it seems to happen with no damage to her universe. This informs what she tells Miles' parents later - she says he showed her that "everything is possible". This is likely to be explored in the third film.
  • Also, Jess and Miguel have a blink-and-you-miss it moment which implies that they ARE considering leaving it be. Notably, they also only act after Gwen has already taking quite a few actions (compare to to the situation in Mumbattan where everyone jumps together). However, given that this specific Vulture isn't a Nemesis for this specific Gwen what with being from a totally different universe, it's possible that after a delayed calculation, they and their algorithm decide this isn't actually a canon event, just one very similar.
  • Why would Gwen's dad quitting end Gwen's universe? All that matters is the Canon Event itself, not all the other events leading up to it. You might assume that Gwen's dad can't possibly be "the police captain who dies while saving a child from falling rubble" because he's not a captain anymore, but it's still possible for him to re-join the force sometime before the specific moment when the Canon Event is scheduled to occur. That moment hasn't happened yet, so the universe isn't damaged yet. (Hopefully in the third film they'll find some way to fix everything permanently.)

Spot as Miles' Nemesis

• How does Spot know it was his spider that gave Miles powers since he doesn't know Miles's identity? Does he simply guess that the spider's bite would create such powers? Clearly other power sources exist because something had to have bitten the original, now deceased, 1610 Peter Parker to give him his powers.
  • Most likely just through deduction. The timing of Miles’ appearance as Spider-Man, combined with the fact that Spot was the one that brought the spider over in the first place led him to the conclusion.
  • Also note that the Peter Parker of Miles' universe published and merchandised his origin story, with it being common enough knowledge that Miles was able to figure out what was happening to him in the first film based on the in-universe comic books he'd read. If Spot is familiar with the same material, it makes sense that he'd be able to piece things together.
  • A Freeze-Frame Bonus during the Mumbattan Alchemax scene shows Spot floating within the Web of Life and Destiny when he first transformed. The collider blast may have granted him knowledge of the Spider-People in the process, including our Miles' identity.

Uncle Aaron's death

• Miguel explains that all Spider-Men have to suffer deaths of the people they love to mature into true heroes, which is why he justifies that Miles's father has to die. But shouldn't Aaron's death in the first movie have counted as Miles's "canon event?" What purpose could Jefferson's death serve to further Miles's growth?
  • It's not specifically about the death in the first place, it's about its place in time. Aaron's death was the equivalent to Ben's death. Uncle Ben's death is a key part of Peter Parker's origin story. Uncle Aaron's death is the same for Miles. Meanwhile, Jefferson's death is specifically said to be the equivalent of Captain Stacy's death from the comics, an event that happens after Peter has already started fighting crime as Spider-Man. It's not part of the origin, it's the next "big moment" in the story, or at least, it's supposed to be, according to Miguel. As for how it could further Miles's growth, it honestly might NOT help him grow. Miguel's way of thinking is shown to be flawed, after all.

Miles's Peter's death

• Miguel says that if Miles hadn't been bitten, his universe's Peter Parker would still be alive, but he died saving Miles. Ummm... what? Rewatching that scene, Peter briefly saves Miles from falling once, but then he just resumes his mission, and he gets overpowered by Prowler and Green Goblin. It seems the chain of events that led to Peter's death would be completely unchanged if Miles wasn't there. Heck, if Miles wasn't there, Peter would have no one to give the flash drive to! What in the ever-loving hell is Miguel talking about?
  • In the time it takes Peter to talk to Miles, Green Goblin wakes up and attacks him as he's trying to insert the goober. Presumably if he hadn't talked to Miles he would have plugged it in before Goblin attacks, preventing the collider from activating and saving the day. Whether or not Peter died afterwards is up to the viewer's imagination, but at the very least Miles inadvertently gave Goblin enough time to wake up, reorient himself, and go after Peter.
    • Here is what would happen afterwards. Kingpin would get angry at Peter Parker for foiling his plans to bring his family back and he would sic all the villains he hired onto him. Peter Parker was already tired at that point and not in the best shape to fight back. They beat the crap out of him and Kingpin kills him which Miles would be completely helpless to prevent. Peter Parker's death would have happened regardless of Miles' presence. Miguel is just being unfair to Miles due to already hating him as an anomaly.
  • If he hadn't been bitten, how would he have ended up needing to be saved by Peter Parker at all? He went back to the subway because that was where he got bitten.
  • I think it's probably a nod to the original Miles Morales's comic book origin, in which he only becomes Spider-Man after the Peter Parker of his universe is killed. Miguel probably got it in his head that in any universe where Miles becomes Spider-Man, it means the Peter Parker of that universe had to die like it's yet another canon event, so by this Insane Troll Logic, he blames Miles of this movie for his Peter's death, since in his mind if Miles hadn't become Spider-Man, Peter would somehow be still alive and manage to defeat Kingpin and his cohorts from the start. Apparently, Miguel didn't even consider the fact that there is at least one universe out there where both Peter Parker and Miles Morales can co-exist as Spider-Men without the former having to die first.
    • It's less about Peter's death and more about Miles becoming a Spider-Man in general. Insomniac Miles was bitten by a spider, but it was from his own universe. This version of Miles was bitten by a spider from another universe, implying he simply was never meant to be a Spider-Man on his own Earth. It would be like if say, the Spot dropped a spider in the Spectacular Spider-Man universe and it bites Gwen, making her Spider-Gwen. It's an anomaly that happens due to outside interference.
  • Seems most likely that Miguel has simply gotten into tunnel vision; his canon events theory is somewhat undermined if a Spidr-Man dies randomly at what seems like the height of their career. So instead of re-evaluating the theory he simply assumes things got derailed by the influence of the multiverse, and thus blames it on Miles.
  • I assumed this was a for-want-of-a-nail situation. Miles just being there distracts Peter for a few seconds, which accidentally sets off a chain of events that leads to Peter's death. If Peter hadn't talked to Miles for 10 seconds he would have ended up choosing a slightly different battle plan which would have led to him surviving the whole thing and destroying the accelerator. Don't forget that the Spider Society has some sort of algorithm that lets them predict events; presumably they scanned Miles' universe and used the algorithm and it told them that everything would have been fine if Miles hadn't been bit.

Why does Spider-Byte want to help Miles?

• Spider-Byte allows Miles to escape through the machine when she had a chance to stop it. And later at the end, we see her teaming up with Gwen and the others to save Miles. But why? For Peter B. and the original team, it makes sense because they're all friends. Prabhakar obviously owes Miles and Spider-Punk loves breaking rules. Why is Spider-Byte interested in helping them?
  • Because she sympathizes with Miles? She's not swayed by Miguel's hard swerve into antagonism? Crisis of conscience? She's a Spider-Person and they tend towards heroism, even when rotten adults tell them they're wrong. A better question would be why more Spiders didn't join Team Gwen.
  • There's no real moment of build up though? Kess and Miles have only one very brief scene of introduction when Miles arrives in the Spider-Society, which does not stand out compared to anyone else he meets. Both Prabhakar and Hobie have time to become endeared toward Miles to want to help him and when Hobie helps Miles to escape it makes sense for his character in general, but Kess simply choose to let Miles escape for no real reason. The best thing that could be said was she did not help to pursue him, but that seems to be out of genuine laziness on her part. Basically, everyone on Team Gwen has good enough reason to trust Miles, Kess being the only exception.
    • Yes, there wasn't really any build up just a moment of pure empathy. Their leader was doing something that everyone had heard the details of and knew was unconscionable but accepted as a necessity. Most of them didn't have to deal with the emotional fallout of Miles panicking but Spider-Byte got to see him in the machine getting ready to leave as just one more scared kid. She felt empathetic to him and couldn't bring herself to screw him over.
    • She might not have chased Miles because she didn't have mobile hard light projectors. Maybe we'll find out why she helped in Part 3.
  • And as for why other Spider-People don't side with Miles, well, Spider-Man is not Spider-Monolith. All the variants have different motives for who they want to help. The majority of them seem to be at least convinced that Miguel is the best person to follow in how they need to protect the multiverse.
  • She probably sympathizes with Miles for the same reasons we do. She's hoping that he'll find some way to save everyone so they won't have to make these gut-wrenching sacrifices anymore. Maybe she's got her own Police Captain who's due to die in a month or two and she wants to avoid that fate.

Earth- 42 getting a Spider-Man

• We see in the final portion of the film that Earth-42 spiralled drastically out of control without a Spider-Man to protect it. During an earlier flashback, when Spot explains his origins, we see that Spider 42 was about to bite the native Miles of that reality before being transported to 1610. Is it possible that, using Nueva York’s advanced technology, an artificial spider can be planted in 42 to bite the alternate Miles, setting both him and his reality back on the right path?
  • With time travel, conceivably, but that seems like it would cause more problems than it solved. But as he is now, thanks to his uncle's influence and his father's death and without Peter's guidance? I don't see any reason that he should arbitrarily decide to become a hero just because he's got spider-powers now.
    • Presuming that Miles-42 is in fact a villain, you mean.
  • The Spider-Society granting spider powers to Earth-42 Miles would almost certainly be considered an anomaly, no different from Earth-1610B Miles gaining his powers from Earth-42's radioactive spider. Unless there's another spider on Earth-42 that can bite that world's Miles, the odds of him gaining spider powers are very low.

Donald Glover's cameo

• Donald Glover is apparently reprising his role from Spider-Man: Homecoming as the MCU's version of Aaron Davis, now dressed as the Prowler. However, in Homecoming, he was trying to keep a low profile and keep dangerous weapons out of his neighborhood for his Miles. With that prior characterization, how did he A. end up becoming the Prowler in the first place, and B. get the attention of the Spider-Society to the point they had to detain him?
  • Him being captured by the spider society is easily explained: he was sucked in by portal like the Renaissance-Vulture from the beginning of the movie and the other anomalies captured. This is why the society exist in the first place to clean up the mess Kingpin caused and get everyone back to their proper universes. As for why he became the Prowler, it might have something to do with him (and everyone else) forgetting his interactions with Tom Holland's Spider-Man at the end of No Way Home. Or perhaps his situation changed and he found himself forced to take on that identity one way or the other. Maybe this is setting up for the MCU's next Spider-Man movie.
  • His motives may have changed after the events of Avengers: Infinity War, after half the universe was erased, which may or may not include his own Miles. Similar to what happened to Clint Barton, who became Ronin.
  • Technically, there's nothing that actually states he is the MCU Prowler- they share an actor, but that doesn't prove it's the exact same Aaron Davis. It could just be Aaron from another adjacent Live Action universe.

Does Earth- 42 not have a Peter Parker?

• In every single continuity with Miles Morales, Peter Parker always, always gets bitten by the spider first. But this movie claims that without Spider 42 to bite Miles 42, Earth-42 was left without a Spider-Man. Were the radioactive spiders developed too late for Peter to get within range of them, or does he just not exist in this universe?
  • There is a news bulletin about the Sinister Six. If Spider-Peter mentors Spider-Miles in a "normal" universe, then perhaps Lizard-Peter mentors Prowler-Miles in a villainverse like Earth-42.
  • I thought the spider that bit Miles was going to bite Earth-42's Peter Parker.
  • If the Multiverse is truly infinite, then there are infinite possibilities. Some variation of Peter Parker being the one to become Spider-Man is a fairly consistent detail, but versions like Gwen and Miguel show that it's not an absolute. This could be a universe where Peter Parker already dies long before the fateful spider bite. Or maybe BECAUSE he wasn't bitten, that world's Peter ended up dying at some point since it was supposed to happen.
  • If Earth-1610B and Earth-42 operate under the same timeline, then the divergence point appears to be not Miles getting bitten, but rather Peter Parker not getting bitten. On Earth-1610B, Peter had been Spider-Man for 10 years by the time Miles got bit, while on Earth-42, Miles was supposed to become that world's Spider-Man. Basically, the radioactive spider appears to have been created 10 years later on Earth-42, and Peter Parker presumably remained a regular person in that world. The odds of him becoming the Lizard or being dead both seem unlikely, since the Peter of Gwen's world became the Lizard due to being inspired by Spider-Woman, while his death in Miles' world (and in other realities) was connected to him being Spider-Man, which obviously wouldn't be the case here.
  • The spider that bit the protagonist Miles Morales is from Earth-42. It got warped into Miles' universe before it had a chance to bite Peter, so the Peter of that world remained a normal person and there was never a Spider-Man in that world. The only question left is how the timelines work out. Maybe the spider get warped like 10 years ago, and Kingpin spent all that time building up an improved supercollider to get his family back, and in the meantime Earth-42 spent 10 years slowly falling apart without a Spider-Man to stop the villains. On the other hand, maybe the spider got warped just before the events of the first movie (so just over a year ago) and Earth-42 just went downhill really fast. On the third hand, maybe spacetime is weird and more time has passed on Earth-42 than on Miles' Earth.
  • The flashback of the spider being transported by the collider shows that it was about to bite Earth-42's Miles at school, and he already had the hairstyle that he'd have as Prowler. The simplest explanation based on the evidence is that the radioactive spider was created 10 years later on Earth-42 than on Earth-1610B, it wasn't transported through time or anything like that, meaning that Earth-42 simply didn't have a Spider-Man for the past 10 years and its New York had been ravaged by numerous villains in the mean time as a result.

Spot's Misplaced Retribution

• Spot's whole vendetta against Miles Morales was that he blames him for causing the Super-Collider's explosion in the previous movie that made him who he was. However, the reason the Super-Collider exists was because Kingpin wanted to get a version of his family back and Doc Ock was the one who designed the thing. All Miles really did was try to shut off the Super-Collider before it obliterates his universe. Why doesn't Spot take revenge on Kingpin or Doc Ock who are arguably far more responsible for making him the way he is?
  • Olivia Octavius is dead, and Kingpin in this universe is going to be in prison for the rest of his life and can't get his family back the way he hoped. They've already lost everything, effectively. Also, arguably, Spot isn't exactly... rational or sane?
  • He may also feel that if Miles hadn't intervened and the collider was used as intended, Kingpin would have simply retrieved his family and shut it down properly, avoiding the explosion that turned him into the Spot. In which case Miles' interference was more important than the collider being used.

If Aunt May moved to Florida, what happens to the Spider Cave?

• It seems like way too valuable a resource to just leave unguarded or unused. Miles' family still lives in Brooklyn, so the only way it could still be accessible is if we assume Mary Jane is the one living there now. If so, shouldn't Miles be putting it to use? And if not, how long before someone discovers it? (Sure, it undoubtedly has plenty of security protocols for that, but Peter Parker wasn't the only genius on Earth-1610B)
  • Presumably Miles is still taking care of it, maybe even making it his personal workshop when he wants to create new tools to help him in his Spider-Man career.
  • It may also be that the plan is for Miles to slowly dismantle the cave and create his own (once he's old enough). Or for Miles to be written into May's will for those purposes. Or heck, most of the tech given to Miles but the house and skeleton of the cave to be given to the public trust post-May's death since Mile's Peter was a well-known and beloved figure - his childhood home would almost certainly be considered a historical landsite.

How can anomalies cause canon events?

• The deaths of Captain Singh and Captain Morales are considered canon events by the Spider-society, but both would be caused by Spot, an anomaly who shouldn't be in Singh's universe or have a reason to kill Morales if it weren't for interdimensionnal happenings. Also, if Miles being Spider-Man is itself an anomaly how can the deaths of his uncle and father be canon events? I know Miguel is likely meant to be wrong about You Can't Fight Fate, but even under his own logic that's a contradiction.
  • The idea behind canon events seems to be more about the overall outcome and less about the details surrounding it. Miles being Spider-Man may not have been planned, but that in of itself doesn't prevent the death of his uncle (the familiar figure to serve as motivation for Spider-Man) or his father (the police captain Spider-Man is close to). Likewise, even if Spot is an anomaly, so long as he causes the death of Inspector Singh, the canon event is fulfilled.

Conflicting "rules" of the Multiverse

• This movie seems to suggest that the main 616 comic book canon and the MCU of Earth-199999 are connected in the Multiverse. Problem is, in the comics all dreams occur in the Astral Plane, whereas the MCU establishes that all dreams are just glimpses from the perspectives of people's own counterparts in other universes. And for that matter, how can America Chavez have no counterpart anywhere in the Multiverse for her to dream of when we already know there's one in the 616 universe?
  • Slight correction, the Astral Plane is an alternative dimension composed of ectoplasm instead of matter, which powerful psychics and wizards can enter through astral projection. Every reality (including the MCU) has its own Astral Plane. What you're thinking of is the Dream Dimension, a realm linked to and shaped by humanity's collective unconscious. However, worlds seen in dreams do in fact exist as their own separate realities, exactly as described in the MCU. Numerous realities that were only glimpsed in dreams, daydreams, illusions, etc. have been given official earth designations, and the Marvel wiki has an entire catagory listing them. As for the MCU America Chavez, it's possibly the same explanation as the comics, in which it was stated that she originated from a reality outside the Multiverse, and thus didn't have any counterparts within the Multiverse. Leaving aside the reveal that comic America was actually a native of Earth-616 who had imagined the Utopian Parallel as a way of dealing with her childhood trauma, once America entered the Multiverse, she would inevitably start gaining variants, since every choice she and everyone else made would result in different universes forming, each containing its own variant of America.

Predicting when a "canon event" is going to occur

Miguel's system told Gwen that Pavitr's world was going to have a "canon event" happen soon (in this case, the death of a Captain) as a warning for her not to interfere with what's about to happen. This would suggest that Miguel not only knows what canon events happen in every Spider-Man's story, but when they happen in every version of the multiverse. How does that work? Does he have time-travel capabilities? Does his technology "predict" when and how the event will happen based on data from studying all the different incarnations of himself?

• I figured that a canon event is predicted to happen if the circumstances for said event are all set in place. In that scene where Pavitir's "Captain Stacy" was going to die as a part of his canon event, all the pieces for said canon event where just in the right position and time, even if the overall situation was entirely unpredictable. Therefore, all Miguel's system would need is a way to rapidly analyze the current situation, and see if it matches all the criteria for a canon event to happen. And since canon events are (at least by the Spider Society) treated like absolutes, then said measure would be treated as a prediction.
• I imagine that canon events tend to put out some sort of sci-fi energy signature that they can track. That's how they know that Miles' dad is due to die in two days; they're getting a signal from the future. That said, it's pretty clear that the system isn't perfect.

Mayday's age

• It's only been a year and change since ITSV, right? But baby Mayday looks and acts like she's at least nine or ten months old (more realistically, somewhere between a year and a year and a half). She crawls, babbles, laughs, mimics adults, pulls up on things, plays with toys, and has several inches of hair. Peter B. says he was inspired by Miles to become a father, but how did he and MJ manage it so quickly? Even if he went straight home after the first movie, reconciled with his wife on the spot, convinced her to leap into parenthood, and they got lucky immediately, there's still nine months of gestation to factor in. Are we running on Narnia time between dimensions, here? Are insta-babies one of Peter B.'s Spidey powers?
  • The easiest answer is that time isn't necessarily in lockstep across the universes; perhaps Peter B.'s world moves faster, even by just a matter of months which would give Mayday time to develop. Another possibility is biological, considering the girl has an other-than-human DNA structure, causing her body to evolve faster to deal with her burgeoning superpowers.
  • The answer about time moving differently seems the most likely when you remember that Peter B. Parker has been Spider-Man for over twice as long (22 years) as the Peter Parker of Miles' universe (10 years).

Inspector Singh’s canon event

• Miguel gives Miles crap for preventing Inspector Singh’s death in Spider-Man India’s universe because it’s a canon event that’s supposed to happen. Problem is, Inspector Singh is only endangered in the first place because the Spot was wreaking havoc in Mumbattan that caused the Alchemax building to collapse. Basically, Inspector Singh wouldn’t be in danger if the Spot had never arrived there in the first place, which means the Spot was always meant to be there so he could cause Singh’s death. So, how would Inspector Singh die if it wasn’t the Spot who caused (or rather, would have caused) it?
  • The ultimate cause of the incident probably doesn't matter so much as the incident happening. It's just that that was the earliest it happened to happen. Also, this leads into the very probable idea that Miguel is wrong about the significance of canon events.

Motivations of Earth- 42 Miles (Ending Spoilers)

• By the end of the film, Miles Morales is in the hands of Earth-42 Miles and Aaron, with it being implied that they have no plans to let him go. Why is this the case? Miles has nothing to offer them, as he has no watch to allow for dimensional travel or any information that would be of any use to them, and the kid clearly just wants to get out of there. It could be that the third movie expands on this, but it seems as if they're being villains for villainy's sake, or believe him to be a spy for...somebody, be it a rival group or a vigilante.
  • They probably think he's impersonating the Prowler to invade his home, and they want to know what he's after. There's no reason to think they know about dimensional travel or even recognize he's Miles from another dimension, they just see him as someone who broke into their house.
  • Well, they are villains, why would they assume a second Miles is up to any good? The same way main Miles assumes there's good in them because of his own morality, evil Miles would be prone to assuming any other Miles he meets is a bad guy as well.
  • It's possible that they became aware of the Spider Society at some point (maybe a Spider-Man visited this world on accident) and they intend to force Miles to tell them more about it. As villains, they really don't want to be caught off-guard by an army of heroes.
  • Based on how Earth-42 Miles asks regular Miles about his dad being still alive, and the implications that his dad's death may have been his Start of Darkness, I figured that Prowler-Miles may attempt a Kill and Replace in the next film, so he can go live in a universe where his Dad is still alive, similar to Miguel's backstory.

Pav’s Secret Identity

• How did none of Pavitr’s loved ones figure out that he’s been Spider-Man this whole time? He’s always had his signature hairstyle showing, even with the mask on.
  • Same reason why almost nobody realizes that Clark Kent is Superman despite wearing only a pair of glasses to disguise himself, or why almost nobody seems to connect the dots that Peter Parker/Miles Morales/Gwen Stacy/etc. always seems to be missing when Spider-Man/Woman shows up. Ordinary people usually aren't that observant to notice these details even when they're right there in front of them.

Why didn't Miles notice that he's in a different universe sooner?

• After escaping Earth-928 via the Go Home machine, Miles took some time to swing across the city to get back to 'his' home. It's later shown that most of Earth-42 New York City has turned into a hellhole because there's no Spider-Man to keep the peace, with flames rising up everywhere. Why didn't Miles notice that New York City seems to be more chaotic than it usually is?
  • He was most likely too laser-focused on getting back home to pay attention to his surroundings.
  • He was running as fast as he could, probably still thinking there would be other Spideys after him, not paying much attention to his surroundings.
  • Plus there's a voice-over of Miguel telling Miles he's the original anomaly and that he got his Peter killed, AND that Gwen and Peter B knew and didn't tell him. So he's likely still reeling from that.
    • This. The voice lines and images in the background make it clear he's having a bit of a breakdown; he just had an extremely stressful day and is dealing with a whole lot of difficult emotions. At that point, he's just beelining for home on instinct, barely aware of the world around him. This is clearly illustrated when he gets hit by a bus, something that his Spider-Sense (and his normal senses, for that matter) would have noticed and prevented if he wasn't in a very distracted and distressed mental state.

Go Home Machine's mechanics

• Miles planned to use the Go Home machine in order to get back to his own universe so he can save his dad from his supposed Canon event. However, the machine sent him the wrong universe instead of his own universe. It actually sent him to the universe that the spider that bit him came from, Earth-42. Earth-42 in which the Spider never bit Miles Morales and he became the prowler instead. But why does the machine focus on spiders instead of the actual person? The Spider is a different entity from the Spider-Person so shouldn't the machine analyze the Spider-Person's dimensional frequency instead of the spider that bit them? Did the machine always work like that or did Miguel make some alterations after hearing about Miles Morales in order to screw him over if he tries to escape them?
  • My guess would be that it wasn’t programmed to deal with people who have genetics from multiple universes (since Miles is the only one they know of), and it just locked on to the first signature it detected.
  • Miguel didn't seem any more aware of Miles being in the wrong universe, or he would have sent his Spider-team to Earth-42 instead of 1610. It's likely that even he himself assumed the machine would tune in to the universe the human is from, instead of where the genetic alterations from the spider bite came from.
  • The Go Home machine possibly works by locking onto the target's first Canon Event— the spider bite— and then using that to backtrack the target's place of origin in the Web of Fate. This would also explain why Miguel is so aggressively dead-set on the idea of the Canon being unalterable despite living, walking, talking proof that it can be; Miguel may believe that Miles's place in the Web of Fate is tenuous at best, and new deviations threaten to unravel the whole thing.
    • It's explicitly stated to determine what universe your DNA is from. Given 42!Rio's different eye color, it's possible that each multiversal self's DNA is different.

Couldn't Spot have just tried... going good?

• Sure, he's lost his life and his face, but in the spirit of Cut Lex Luthor a Check, there's evidently a pretty big market in New York for vigilante heroes - you can even do endorsements! Spot could easily have reinvented himself and made a decent living were he not hellbent on getting revenge.
  • To put it simply, he doesn't want to. For all his smarts, just like you said, he's just hellbent on revenge.
  • He just seems to be really into the whole villain thing in general, let's face it.
    • It's reasonable assumption that somebody who worked this close with Olivia Octavius was fine with the concept of supervillainy. Presumably a number of Alchemax employees are potential supervillains.
    • Alchemax being some kind of Mad Scientist Supervillain Incubator makes way too much sense.
  • It seems, based on the brief flashes of his story, that he experienced some derision and mistreatment from a few people, and then just assumed everyone was going to treat him that way, and gave up on ever being good or accepted. He clearly thinks of himself as a freak, and decided to just get revenge for that, because he doesn't think he can get anything else. And as noted, given the work he was involved in, it's entirely possible or even likely that he wasn't a very good person to begin with.
  • Not to mention how it has been a whole year in between his accident and his first robbery where he met Spider-man at last, which mean that he had plenty of time to test every single option he had at his disposal, failed all of them, and then resorted to petty crime in the end when nothing else worked out for him due to his altered anatomy.

Safety Regulations and Building Codes in Mumbattan

• Do they... just not exist? At all?
  • Are you referring to anything in particular? Because I think the sabotage/overload and explosion of the collider, and resulting dimensional instability caused by the Spot, would have resulted in a lot of destruction no matter how many safety regulations were in place. Also, if Mumbattan-Alchemax is villainous and secretive like it is in Miles' universe, it's unlikely that regulations and codes were involved; Kingpin certainly wasn't getting his beneath-Brooklyn collider approved by any inspectors.
  • Sure, but there's building a facility underground beneath some of the most expensive real estate on Earth (which is a whole 'nother can of worms)... and then there's building a skyscraper with a massive overhang that will very obviously crush multiple smaller buildings and a major bridge if it falls or collapses! In what kind of regulatory environment can a corporation get away with that?
  • There are buildings in real life with large overhangs (though admittedly none quite so extreme), which might look unsafe, but they wouldn't be built if they were dangerous. Cantilevers can be quite solid and strong as long as they're designed correctly. Presumably, it was very carefully planned; but they couldn't plan for the wild dimensional energy unleashed by the Spot (it looked like a giant portal sliced the building in half, no safety inspector would expect that to be possible).

The entire timeline between the Into and Across the Spider-Verse

• Related to Mayday's age above. Across the Spider Verse claims to take place a bit over a year since the first movie without clearly establishing whether time runs at different rates between alternate realities. Thus within those 16 or so months:
  • Miles, Gwen and Peni seem to have grown into older teens.
  • Mayday Parker was conceived, born and have grown old enough to crawl.
  • Miguel invented the dimension-hopping technology, created Spider-Society, replaced his dead alternate self and saw his new adopted family be erased from existence.
  • Hobie joined the Society and reverse-engineered Miguel's technology.
  • Gwen went back home for a while, then joined Spider-Society and stayed with them for the last couple months.
  • Jessica stayed heavily pregnant at least since the day Gwen joined.
• While for some of those events 16 months is enough time to occur, for others it's borderline impossible. We know that in some realities, like Spider-Noir's, the year itself is different, but so far no solid evidence that time runs at different rates between them.
  • There is sort of evidence, though. Back in the first movie, Gwen arrives in Miles's universe before Kingpin activates his collider (a week ago, to be exact, enough for her to disguise herself as a Visions Academy student), while Peter B. and presumably Peni, Spider-Man Noir, and Spider-Ham arrived sometime after that. Miles also quoted Einstein's "time is relative" idea at one point, too, so we could probably imply that the way time works across the multiverse is a bit weird and not really consistent with each other. For Miles, it might be only a bit over a year, but for others, it could probably be a few years since the events of the first movie.
  • Was it actually stated that ITSV was the first time any Spider-People had traveled between dimensions? I thought it was implied that Miguel's backstory, if not him creating the Spider-Society as well, took place a while before that.

No Secret Identity?

• Why doesn't Jessica Drew wear a mask like every other Spider-Person? Instead she just wears a pair of goggles that do not hide any part of her face. Does she just not have a secret identity?
  • We have yet to see her in her own timeline. Maybe she wears a mask back in her own New York, but doesn't bother when she's out of town?
  • It's possible she's an "out" Spider-Person whose identity is public knowledge already. Given the image of her marriage comes up when discussing that a police captain close to Spider-Man (or woman) dies as a canon event perhaps her relationship with local law was much less antagonistic than most leaving her no need to hide?

The Spider Society doing nothing about Alchemax and their Supercolliders.

• Miguel gives Miles a lot of grief for being bitten by a Spider from another universe and his home dimension being the center of a multiverses cataclysm. However, this is unfair because Miles would have never become Spider-Man if it weren't for Alchemax's experiments with the Supercollider. But apparently there are Alchemaxes in other universes who each have their own Supercollider that The Spot tries to absorb their energies from to become even more powerful. But apparently the Spider Society lets those Alchemaxes and their Supercolliders be. Why do they do nothing about those despite the risks of them being used to tear holes in Space-time like the Kingpin did in Miles' universe? Unless those Supercolliders are harmless by themselves and it was only Kingpin and Doc Ock's work on their own Supercollider that made it such a huge threat to the multiverse.
  • Miguel believes strongly that if Miles didn't get bit by the Earth-42 spider, his Peter Parker would have stopped the super-collider and Alchemax in their tracks. The assumption being that this is generally something that Spider-Men prevent on their own. Additionally, the Spot had to travel to many universes to find a big enough super-collider to empower him, so such a machine is relatively rare in the multiverse.
    • Also, Miguel isn't one to stop or change fate at this point, only observe and correct. Super-colliders might cause anomalies, but until they do, he probably doesn't see anything to strictly worry about. If it does cause a rift, then he acts because 'fate' then risks being changed.

Why won’t Earth- 42 Miles let his counterpart go to save his dad?

• I’m sure this will be explained in the next part, but it’s not really conveyed on why exactly he is apathetic to other versions of his father and especially won’t release Earth-1610 Miles. I get that he is the Prowler and whatnot, but it was still suggested that he cares about family, and this alternate Miles really didn’t mean him any harm.
  • Does he even KNOW about other dimensions being real? There’s nothing to indicate he’s aware of the multiverse, or has any reason to believe what Miles is saying.
  • Actually, something does indicate that he is aware, given how he casually says, “Your dad… not mine.” But admittedly, he may not be genuine when saying this.
  • Earth-42 Miles is a villain, whether it turns out to be justified or not, and seems far more pragmatic than Miles from Earth-1610. He might view this newly arrived other self as an opportunity to gain something like say access to a world where everything hasn't gone bad. While it might not be that specifically letting Earth-1610 Miles go immediately makes little sense for Earth-42 Miles as he doesn't have that altruistic streak from what we can see and clearly feels he might be able to gain something even if he hasn't even decided what. Thinking through what he should do makes more sense.
  • Y’know what? The people above have convinced me. It actually does make sense why Prowler Miles could be so untrusting of main Miles, for a couple reasons:

A) Since he might not yet be aware of the existence of alternate universes, from his perspective, this Miles is just an impostor that broke into his house.

B) Even then, since Miles has a great deal of knowledge about other universes, Prowler Miles is probably very curious about discovering how different things could’ve turned out for him, and doesn’t want his only real source of intel to slip away so soon. Especially since he might want to kill and replace this Miles to go happily in the other world where things seem to have worked out much better, mirroring what Miguel tried to do.

C) On the chance he is already aware of the Spider-Society, a villain like him needs everything he can get out of Miles in order to not be jumped by a whole army of superheroes.

D) Since main Miles assumes there must be good within Prowler Miles, Prowler Miles is just as likely to assume there must be some evil within this Miles, and thus not smart to believe him and let him loose.

Why is it so hard to turn off the Go-Home machine?

• The Go-Home machine doesn't have a "cancel" button or command? Or "undo" or "back"? How about "off," or even an easy way to unplug it from its power source? You'd think there would be a simple way to reverse the process if a mistake was made or a mind was changed. Spider-Byte's only job seems to be to monitor the device, so you'd think she'd know it inside and out, but it takes her ages and apparently a lot of effort to get to a spot to shut the process down.
  • Two reasons:
  • 1. It makes some sense that a more complex/dangerous machine is harder to shut down- a spaceship, for example, takes roughly this much effort to safely return to Earth. If it had already started opening dimensional boundaries or drawing on dimensional energy, it might well be far more difficult to safely cancel
  • 2. Spider-Byte ultimately defects from the Spider Society, and even at this point ultimately doesn't switch off the machine when she has the chance. If she knows that Miles is the one turning it on- and "the invisible rogue Spider-Man trying to get home" isn't a hard leap to make- and she's already having doubts? She might well be consciously or subconsciously stretching out the process. If she tried her best but the guy still escaped, well, who can blame her?
  • Also Miles was in the machine; there's likely a non-trivial chance that just 'turning it off' would risk his life in some fashion and that's not really something any Spider would do.
  • The whole point of the machine is to send anomalies back to where they came from, and it automatically chooses the correct universe. They likely never considered the possibility that they might need an "abort" button. What's the worst that could happen? Maybe a Spider-Man gets in there an accidentally sends themself back home? So what? They can just use their bracelet to return to HQ. The idea that a rebellious Spider-Man might use it as an escape pod likely never crossed their minds.

What did Miguel inject himself with?

• When we are first introduced to Miguel O'Hara, he is watching some home videos and injected himself with a needle. What was that? According to the comics, Miguel did not actually get his powers from a Spider bite but through altering his own genetics. Is that some sort of serum to maintain his powers?
  • The two most likely explanations is that it either a power maintainer and his backstory has been made different from the source material to make his powers something he intentionally got, or that it is Rapture, a futuristic drug integral to the original Miguel’s backstory. When Miguel worked for Alchemax, his boss laced his drink with the drug (which bonds itself to one’s DNA). The reason he gained his powers was due to him attempting an experimental DNA procedure to remove the Rapture from his DNA, which was sabotaged and accidentally made him part spider, though it did remove the Rapture. If it is Rapture, then perhaps Spider-Verse Miguel’s transformation was unable to remove it and he’s still addicted.

How is Miles so much stronger than everyone else?

• He overpowers Miguel, Ben Reilly, Jessica, the cowboy, and several other characters during his escape. If each of the Spiders are trained heroes in their own right, how was Miles able to defeat them so easily? Not to mention, assumingly, he even beat Spectacular Spider-Man, Unlimited, and the Playstation one while they chased him.
  • He does not need to be stronger to beat them, as their motive is to capture him. Spider-Men do not kill, some may be less willing to harm Miles than others (namely Gwen and Peter B.), and hundreds of Spider-People gunning for him at once will result more in them being obstacles to each other than to Miles. Miles' plan was to lure them as far away as possible, so he had the advantage. Additionally, Miguel had him on the ropes until Miles absorbed his suit's energy, which Miguel lacked the Spider-Sense (and understanding of Miles's powers) to see coming.
  • Almost all Spider-People have enhanced strength but the degree and what other powers they get are highly variable. Miles happens to be on the upper end for raw strength, or can augment it with his Venom ability charging his muscles with more power.
  • Miles already seems to have a pretty unique powerset, as none of the other Spider-Folks seem familiar with his venom strike and invisibility. And we know that powerset includes some pretty major Super-Strength; it was played for laughs, but remember in the first movie he cracked a huge boulder clean in half with a single punch, completely by accident and without even hitting it very hard. It's possible his unique powers include enhanced strength that's greater than the others; or that he's at least much stronger than they expect him to be, since to most of them he's "just a kid". That's part of it, too; they're likely both underestimating him, and trying to hold back and go easy on him, because they think of him as a kid and might not quite know how strong/tough he is. And lastly, he's very motivated to escape and save his dad, willing to fight as hard as he needs to, while most of everyone else are Punch-Clock Hero Antagonists who don't want to hurt him and might be hesitant/questioning why they're using so much force against the poor kid.
  • That last point above strikes me as particularly key. Don't forget that all of the Spider-People (as far as we know) really are heroes. Even if Miguel has them rationally convinced it's for the best, not saving someone - or preventing Miles from doing so - feels wrong to them on a fundamental level. It seems likely to me that none of them were really bringing their all to this fight. Maybe not even Miguel.
  • If they don't want to catch Miles, then why attack and chase him? It honestly feels like Miguel got only the weakest Spiders so that he could control them. None of them seem to want to help people if they're willing to let Miles destroy an entire uniMiles?
  • PS4 Spidey would have experience with his Miles so why couldn't he catch Miles? Or at least warn others about his Venom Blast.
    • PS4 Spidey might have been pulled from a time before recruiting his Miles. Or at least before the different powers showed up.
    • If so, will the events of this movie be referenced in the Spider-Man 2 game? Could PS Spider-Man use what he's learned from Spider-Verse Miles in tutoring his own Miles, or would that be breaking the Canon Event?
  • It's questionable how many of the Spider-Society actually know the full extent of their role in ensuring Canon Events by letting people die. Pavitr was clearly Locked Out of the Loop regarding that particular detail, so it stands to reason that a number of others weren't told either. As a result, while they're willing to chase down Miles, they're likely only half-heartedly doing so because many of them don't actually know why Miguel wants to catch Miles. In fact, we see as much, as Miguel sends out an alert for everyone to drop what they're doing to stop Miles, but as the chase goes on, we see plenty of Spider-People initially ignored his orders, given the ones in therapy, the ones in the training area, and the ones still eating in the cafeteria just kept doing what they were doing as Miles ran past them.
    • If Spider-People can disobey orders or ignore criminals (which Miles is in this context), then what's the point of the organization in the first place? Do the other members not know Miguel is the leader, or don't recognize him as the lead Spider-Man of the society?
    • Spider-People are independent by nature. Most incarnations of Spider-Man don't have any sort of boss to report to and they deliberately break laws in order to do what's right. The fact that hundreds of these people joined an organization at all is pretty impressive all by itself.
    • Captain America, Iron Man, the Avengers, Fantastic Four, SHIELD. Spider-People have worked on dozens of teams before in the comics alone. It's not like Spiders have never worked alongside others. Did Miguel just get the least organized Spiders to work for him, or did he intentionally get wildcard members? Heck, Peter B and Peni worked well with the other Spiders in the last movie, and they still can't keep up Miles.
    • True, Spider-Men have worked on teams in the comics. But usually Spider-Man is a solo act. (Compare X-Men and Fantastic Four, where teaming up is the norm). It's not hard to imagine that most of the assembled Spider-Men have little experience working for an organization. The more obedient Spider-People jumped to obey Miguel's order (there's a lot of them) and the less obedient ones figured it wasn't worth their time (especially when Miles already has a lot of people on his tail). And yes, obviously the six Spider-People from the last movie worked well together, but those are also the people who have the most reason to feel ambivalent about putting Miles in a cage, since they're his friends.
    • Being bad at working as a team is one thing, but why was PS Spider-Man unable to use any of his gadgets? Webslinger seemed especially incompetent thinking Miles would play fair. As it stands, six Spiders are going to be able to take hundreds of them, so it does seem Miguel got the less competent Spiders. Everyone save for Jessica seems incompetent, with Miles easily able to escape them. Even Unlimited and Spectacular, Spider-Men we've seen before, are portrayed as incompetent and weaker.
    • I don’t think it’s incompetence or weakness as much as a bunch of conflicting priorities clashing into each other: it’s a lack of preparation, Miguel being unspecific and Skewed Priorities. Miguel never tells any of the extended Spider-People about WHY Miles needs to be stopped, or even that he should only be stopped and not beaten up or attacked. So you get a bunch of Spiders who are all chasing one of their own who is not only a child but doesn’t seem to be trying to hurt anybody either, which would make plenty hesitate with going all out in a fight. With that in mind, it makes sense that most of them are just trying to block his path, physically grab him, intimidate him, or talk Miles down. They aren’t trying to fight him or hurt him, they just want to stop him from moving forward. The ones who try to fight him clearly are unsure of why they’re even doing so.

Why is Miguel's dimension ahead of time?

• Like in the comics, the year Miguel's dimension is said to be 2099, which explains why it has way more futuristic technology compared to other dimensions seen in the movie, such as a regular train connection to the Moon. The age period seen in other dimensions in the movie is implied to be the same as its release year, as their technology level is roughly equivalent to the real world in the present day (with some added advanced machinery, as is common in superhero stories). So why is Miguel's dimension over 70 years ahead of the others? It's never mentioned that the technology the Spider-Society uses to hop dimensions would have a time travel component in it.
  • It's subtle, but there is proof that said dimension-hopping tech does involve a certain degree of temporal fuckery. Like Gwen being thrown two weeks into the past before the super-collider's activation in the first movie. Or Peter B.'s daughter being clearly more than one year old in the present, suggesting that more time has passed on Earth-616 than in Miles's or Gwen's universes. Perhaps time simply moves faster in certain universes, for whatever reason; or maybe the dimension-hopping tech can only access other timelines relative to specific points, with Miguel's access point being later in time than is average. It's still unclear at this point.
  • Not every dimension is in the present-day. Spider-Man Noir's dimension is supposed to be in an alternate universe version of the 1930s, and it's probable that the steampunk Vulture from the intro really is from an alternate universe at da Vinci's time where they got a Jules Verne-ish level of tech. The dimension-hopping in this seems to be focused more on the existence of Spider-People rather than syncing up their calendars. It just so happens that a lot of universes we focus on are somewhere in the early 21st century.
    • Possibly also due to Miguel's hyper-focus as well as pragmaticism. It's unlikely he'd want to deal with, say, a caveman Spider-Man who couldn't talk some kind of English or a far future 5th dimensional Spider-Man who barely registers as human any more.
  • It's possible that, in that dimension, technology simply developed at a faster pace than in most parallel Earths, and it also happens to use a different calendar system. In our world, for example, Muslim and Jewish people, China and India measure their years differently than the standard BC/AD system due to not being Christianity-centric societies. Maybe the year zero of Earth 2099 is a different event entirely.
  • Maybe it's the Big Bang happening later?

Miles's dad doesn't notice Spider-Man's familiar growth spurt?

• It's established that Miles has gone through a noticeable growth spurt, and over the same time period seems to have built a working relationship with his dad in his Spider-Man persona. Yet Jefferson doesn't notice this clearly teenage Spider-Man is always the same height as his son, exactly matching his growth spurt?
  • Unless Jefferson carries a yardstick around with him everywhere, it would be really hard to tell that Miles and Spider-Man are the same height. Teens tend to grow, and depending on how much time Jefferson spends with Spider-Man at any given time the change might be too gradual for him to notice. There's a really big leap between "Spider-Man and my son are both growing teenagers" to "Spider-Man is my son because they're both growing".
  • There's also the fact that Spider-Man wears a tight suit while Miles seems to mostly wear bulkier clothing, like his big puffy jacket, which would make their sizes look different even if their heights are the same (plus Miles gets an extra inch or two from his hair, and maybe from shoes, when he's out of the suit).

”This is where the British stole all our stuff”

• So if Mumbattan is Earth-50101’s equivalent of New York City, did the British Empire’s theft occur during the American Revolutionary War, or did they occupy New York as long they did India in other timelines (roughly 200 years)?
  • Mumbattan may be a mish-mash of Manhattan and Mumbai, but it seems to be primarily set in India, judging by the look and feel of the place. In the comics, Pavitr was from Mumbai, India, not Mumbattan and the implication is Mumbattan is an equivalent Mumbai with some elements of New York here and there.
  • Plus, Pavitr tells the Spot, 'and you came to India', which means Mumbattan is in India, after all.

Sticky Butts

• When Miles and Gwen hand out of the roof they end up sitting upside down together on the overhand but they don't seem to be using either their hands or feet to stay there. Can they use any part of them for sticking then?
  • Probably, yes. Spidey's wall-crawling is pretty exaggerated in these movies. Remember back to the first one where Peter B. and Miles both casually walk vertically up a wall, which isn't something that Spider-Man can usually do.
  • It's actually fairly comic book accurate and not much of an exaggeration. It's been established a couple of times in the comics that Spider-Man can, indeed, make any part of his body sticky, although he most commonly does so with his hands and feet for obvious reasons. Peter once managed to prevent Anti-Venom from unmasking him by making his mask stick to his face, and also once saved a little girl from a collapsing building by making her stick to his back, allowing him to free up both of his hands during the rescue.
  • The movie briefly shows that Gwen webbed her hands to the building before sitting down so they did think about this. It’s not shown exactly what Miles does, he appears to simply sit down.
    • It looks like Gwen only uses the webs to help pull herself down, er, up. After that she stops holding the webs and relies solely on her wall crawling
  • This is apparently explained in some of the comic books as "spider equilibrium" which means the Spider-People's sense of gravity will simply shift with any direction they're hanging from. Not only can they stick at any surface, they won't be bothered by issues such as blood rushing to their heads either. It gets especially clear when we enter the Spider-Society and the whole place is filled with walkways going in all directions and Spider-People just casually walking sideways and upside-down all over the place.

What happened to Jessica’s kindness and why was she cold and strict towards Gwen and some of The Spiders?

• In the beginning, she was very kind towards Gwen and even helped her stop The Vulture from causing destruction. During the rest of the film, she became selfish and abusive towards Gwen, insulted Peter, tried to chase Miles including hurting him, not to mention she didn’t even defend Gwen when trying to ask her help on telling Miguel he’s wrong about The Canon Events. Why would Jessica cold and strict towards Gwen and some the other Spiders?
  • I don't see any inconsistencies here. Jessica is focused on saving the multiverse by preserving canon events. Beating up the Vulture didn't risk the multiverse in any way, so she was willing to help out. But when someone threatens the multiverse, she gets upset.
  • It would be possible that Jessica became a widow between the beginning and her next appearance. Or at least, that her husband has divorced her. Either because he doesn't agree with her continuing to be a heroine while she's pregnant, or she hasn't revealed her identity to him yet, and now that she's expecting a child, her husband was more worried about where she was and refused to continue accepting her excuses and lies. And her more cold and strict attitude is due to her trying to force herself to move forward alone. Trying to convince herself that losing her husband is the price she must pay to keep the multiverse safe.

Nobody Questioning Miguel

• Why was there not a single person who questioned Miguel's logic on Canon Events until after Miles was seemingly sent home? Besides Peter B., who seemed to understand Miles' logic, Gwen, who was secretly plotting against Miguel, and Spider-Byte, who seemed sympathetic towards Miles regardless, nobody seemed to think that maybe Miles being an anomaly wasn't entirely on him. Not even Noir, Peni, or Peter Porker, who were there to see the root of the problem with Kingpin's Super-Collider.
  • Considering that Noir, Peni, and Spider-Ham were all with Gwen at the end of the movie, it's safe to say that at least they don't trust Miguel anymore. As for the others, it can be hard to convince someone that something they've been taught isn't true, especially if they're in a large group of likeminded people. They don't know Miles, so they have little reason to abandon Miguel.
  • Considering Ben Reiley, Webslinger, Spectacular, and some of the others, it does seem Miguel got the dumber Spiders throughout the Multiverse.
  • It's been suggested that many of them latched onto the idea that their personal tragedies were (a) out of their control, and (b) part of something bigger that connects them to other Spider-People; it is a comforting idea, in a way, that might help ease guilt and give them a new sense of belonging. Also, Miles' personal experience gave him a basis from which to question the theory, while other Spiders would be convinced by Miguel's explanation because they don't have any knowledge or experience that contradicts it.

How did Miguel survive that?

• This seems like a massive plot hole. All of Miguel O'Hara's actions are motivated purely through witnessing the destruction of his own universe due to replacing his dead counterpart and assuming his life. But this does beg the question of how did he survive that to tell about it? We clearly saw everyone in his universe being vaporized before his eyes so how come he did not get vaporized along with them? Is he safe because he is technically not from that universe?
  • Presumably he still had the dimension-hopping tech with him, as he would have needed it to get there and keep himself from glitching. Once he had nothing left to lose and it was clear he couldn't save anyone, he could open a portal and escape. That might be a big part of why he has so much guilt and anger; not only does he think it was his fault, he might think it was shameful that he ran away at the last moment.

How Could the Canon Events Theory Even Form?

• We're shown a tremendous diversity of Spider-People who have lives that diverge tremendously from each other, only a few are living lives closely parallel to the mainline Spider-Man story. Spider-Punk "should" have become The Prowler instead. Spider-Gwen "should" have died and so should her father. Even Miguel himself is shown with two divergent lives, one where he lives and has no family and one where he has a family but dies. It makes sense that Miguel might believe this theory that things must be a certain way in order to cope with tragedy but what has convinced everyone else that events are written in stone when there is clearly some flexibility?
  • Well Miguel's theory isn't that everyone's life turns out exactly the same in every detail. The details of exactly who becomes Spidey and who dies aren't fixed but the events remain: an uncle ben style death, a captain death, spider man no more, a marriage. The "wrong" person becoming Spider-Man or the differences in the Miguels' story isn't significant to the theory if the 'canon' events still happened to both. Like the difference better perfect Peter and Peter B. As to how he convince everyone else. Confirmation Bias is a possibility. He (maybe accidentally) picks Spideys from the multiverse that all the canon events have happened to and recruit them and they are happy to believe that those events had to take place to make them a better Spidey because it's a nicer thought that they were preventable failures on their part. The other group is he picks young spideys too fresh faced and impressed to question him at all, like Pavitr and Gwen (who doesn't even have an Uncle Ben equivalent event.)
    • What about the armored Spider-man from the 90s cartoon? He's rich, has an Uncle Ben, and seems to be breaking canon?
    • It should be noted that Gwen losing Peter and Pavitr, like in the comics, possibly losing his Uncle Bhim would respectively be their Uncle Ben equivalent. As for how canon events work, it seems that Miguel has a considerably more rigid interpretation of it than is actually the case. He claims, for example, that a police captain close to Spider-Man is destined to die while saving a child from falling debris, and then shows numerous examples of it happening, including Captain Stacy's death in The Amazing Spider-Man. However, Captain Stacy didn't die saving a child from falling debris, he was impaled by the Lizard while trying to stop him. The only apparent constant is that the police captain dies, and even then there might be more variables to consider. If we regard MJ's near death in Spider-Man: No Way Home as a canon event that got disrupted by Webbverse Spider-Man, then perhaps her subsequent loss of her memories of Peter Parker could be considered an acceptable alternative. MCU Peter still "lost" his MJ, it's just that she's didn't have to die for that to happen.
  • Gwen losing Peter is probably her Gwen death. It's a Spider-Hero losing a Love Interest due to a supervillain fight.
  • They've got a sci-fi thing that detects when Canon Events are disrupted, and whenever that happens a weird black hole appears and starts swallowing everything up. That by itself is pretty good proof of Miguel's theory. It's clear that this has happened before too, since they've already got a whole team of spider-scientists to hopefully stabilize the Mumbattan universe. Miguel also says "we haven't always been lucky", so apparently this isn't the first time they've seen this phenomenon.
    • No, that black hole swallowing up Mumbattan was all the Spot's doing. If The Spot was not there, there would not be a collapsing Alchemax and a police captain in danger for Miles to save. Miguel is just painting any incident with the same brush as linked to any Canon Event disruption. As Miguel has shown us, his universe fell apart by glitching out of existence like what happens when someone is outside their own universe without protection. Now if he and his team have the smarts to have technology for fixing multiversal anomalies, they would have the smarts to really investigate what exactly is causing these anomalies instead of doing clean-up. But Miguel is too traumatized by his past to really think about that.
    • Why would Spot make a mysterious black hole directly after a Canon Event was disrupted when he himself has no knowledge of Canon Events? Seems like a big coincidence. And why would the Spider-People have a dedicated team with special gear for sealing up this hole if it's just something Spot created? They only met Spot recently, and nobody was calling in for this gear during the actual Spot-fight. It's true that the collapse of Miguel's universe looked different but maybe it just looks different in different universes but it's the same underlying phenomenon. Also, they do have the smarts to investigate what exactly is causing these anomalies, and they've discovered that they're caused by disrupting Canon Events.
    • What makes you say that the black hole wasn't already forming there before the Canon event was disrupted? That is not a coincidence, that is just the tangible result of the Spot gaining enough power to tear the multiverse a new one. No, things do not just "look different" in other universes, it remains consistent like how there happens to be a version of Peter Parker in every universe. If there are any interdimensional mishaps like being outside of your own universe, glitching happens to be the most common symptom. Anything like black inky spots is basically the Spot's handiwork. Miguel is calling a chicken a duck here. Just because they are both birds does not make them the same. It's the same case as calling Spot's multiversal muck-ups simply Canon event disruption.
    • Even if the black hole was already forming before the Canon Event was disrupted, it's weird that this particular unusually-large black hole shows up at that point in time, and it's weird that they already have gear on hand to go deal with it, an it's weird that nobody says "That doesn't look like a Canon Event disruption! We've seen disruptions before, and this one is completely different from the others!" Even later, when Gwen openly rebels, she doesn't bring it up. She doesn't say "That wasn't a disruption event in Mumbatten, was it? That was just Spot messing things up again! You lied to us!" Is it weird that this looks different from the glitching effect and Miguel's flashback? Yes, it is weird. But the alternative is weird too. Overall I think it was meant to be an actual Canon Disruption event, and the fact that it looks like a Spot-hole was just a oversight by the filmmakers. But who knows? They could go either way in the sequel, regardless of what they originally intended.
    • From the look of what happened when Miguel "broke the Canon Event", everything just glitched out, no black holes formed or anything. And the Canon he broke had nothing to do with the life of Spider-Man, but the death of Miguel O'Hara in that timeline/universe. The black hole in Mumbattan looked more like the loose end of the Alchemax-building finally finished getting swallowed up by one of Spot's multi-dimensional holes, stopping the decent due to a lack of weight attached to it, and began swallowing up whatever the hole landed on instead. The fact Spider-Society had countermeasures in place could just mean that the nature of the hole was multi-dimensional, which is not a Spot-only thing, so their tools could work on that as well.

Spider-Heroes acting out of character

• It's hard to buy the Spider-Men from Spider-Man Unlimited and The Spectacular Spider-Man cartoons being okay with Miles' dad dying. You're telling me neither of them won't rebel against Miguel. Heck, it's hard to buy the majority of the Spider-heroes being onboard with this. You would think most of them would help Miles get away.
  • Considering who is going to set off Miles' "Canon Event", in the form of a multi-dimensional entity capable of destroying the entire multiverse if it so wished, the Spider Society might think that The Spot might just settle with destroying Earth-1610B and leave the rest of the multiverse alone if they allow "canon" to happen as predicted. Yes, it is a very hard choice, but considering the alternative, they need to watch out for their own respective worlds as well and might not be willing to leave them without their spider-men just to try and save one world that their leader deemed "a lost cause". A form of group pressure and group mentality ruled by Miguel.
    • It's easy for them to follow Miguel because they are not put in Miles' situation. Would any of them sacrifice their Mary Jane Watson or Aunt May for the "greater good"? Probably not.
    • So the Spider-Society missed the part where that's their problem? They became Spider-People because they let a Bandit get away who then shot their Uncle Ben (Or equivalent of one anyways). Now they are all basically doing that again on a far worse scale by letting The Spot destroy an innocent universe and just assume he gives up after that? Got to say, that is not very responsible of them and Spider-Man is all about responsibility.
    • For what it's worth, Spectacular Spider-Man's voice actor Josh Keaton has stated his opinion that Peter was probably siding with Miguel due to still being young and immature, and thus more easily influenced by an adult Spider-Man who's trying to recruit him. Additionally, the movie briefly shows that Spectacular Spider-Man has similarly experienced the death of his Captain Stacy sometime after the show ended, and being told by Miguel that it was all part of some grand design that Peter couldn't have stopped probably brings him (and undoubtedly many of the other Spider-People) at least some comfort. Spider-Man Unlimited may have similarly experienced a number of tragedies since we last saw him, making him more likely to side with Miguel's plan.

Why a captain?

• This doesn't make sense. Out of the various Spider-Man TV shows from the past, only a select few had a captain. In fact, most of those shows do not include Gwen Stacy as a character.
  • Which is just further evidence that, as the movie heavily implies, Miguel's theory is, at best, very flawed. That said, Miles' "captain event" hasn't happened yet, and Pavitr's only just (almost) happened that same day, so maybe Miguel would claim those versions of Spider-Man that lack a "captain figure" simply haven't met theirs yet. It seems the Canon events don't have to happen at a specific time, they can be in the future, as long as they're following the overall pattern.
  • The captain also doesn't specifically have to be a Stacy, since Jefferson is slated to fill the role for Miles, and Singh's relationship with Pavitr was much different from the one Peter had with Captain Stacy (in Gwen's universe at the very least).
  • No show can tell us everything that happened in a given universe. There could be all sorts of events that we never got to see. The idea that Spider-Man would be close to a police captain at some point is at least plausible, even if it never happened "on camera".
  • What happens when a producer or writer in the future wants a Spider-Man story that takes place in a time period where captains or cops don't exist? The movie can't expect every new writer to follow the rules of their movie.
  • New writers obviously won't follow the rules here and nothing will happen the rules are canon to this movie and even there it's ambiguous if it's true.

Miles is psychic?

• What is with the scene where Miles's Spider-Sense shows him how the Spot kills his father? I get that Spider-Sense helps detect danger, but since when has it been used to predict the future two days in advance?
  • That was clearly the Spot's direct doing, seeing as he clearly saw and responded to the vision when Miles asked about it.
  • The exact limits and capabilities of the spidey sense varies from writer to writer and character to character. There have indeed been multiple cases of the spidey sense giving full blown prophetic visions, like Kaine in the clone saga and Anna-May in Renew Your Vows. The Spider-Verse movies themselves have also shown the spidey sense doing things other than detecting immediate danger. In the first one Gwen is Guided to join Miles school and it also seems like her spidey sense alerts her to the fact that he's in the wrong universe in the ending of across.

Spider-Punk being a member of the Spider-Society

• Why would someone like Miguel let someone like Hobie into the Spider-Society? Miguel treats being Spider-Man very, very seriously. He is very committed to following canon events as they are meant to play out. Hobie meanwhile is openly anti-authority, doing whatever he feels like, encourages Miles to rebel against the society and makes no attempt to stop him from escaping. He says that he's only in the society to look out for Gwen, so we know why he stays despite his anti-establishment personality, but why would Miguel let such an obvious time bomb stay around?
  • Miguel is completely irrational, desperate and too full of himself to see the signs.
  • To be fair, Miguel and Hobie are, at the end of the day, both guys who regard themselves as heroes and try to do the right thing. It's explicitly stated that Hobie experienced a canon event involving the death of a police captain he was close to, so he is capable of at least respecting some authority figures to an extent. With the fate of the Multiverse at stake, Miguel probably figured that Hobie would play along for the time being, since he was still a hero who obviously prioritizes saving lives over his personal dislike of authority. It's ultimately Miles' act of rebellion and Miguel's reaction to it that convinced Hobie that sticking with the Spider-Society wasn't worth it, and the fact that he had secretly constructed his own Dimensional Travel Watch from materials stolen at Miguel's lab indicates that Hobie had been preparing for a falling out with the Spider-Society for a while.
  • It's also implied that Hobie is very good at his job, what with being able to break a barrier that all the others were having trouble with and offering Miles advice about using his powers despite only seeing them once. This combined with the fact he may not want to act up too much lest he get Gwen in trouble might be reason enough not to get rid of him.
  • Hobie's really, really good at pretending to be a non-threat. As an anarchist, I can tell you that my first thought when he showed up was "Poser.". The pointless rebellion, the cliched stereotypes, the inconsistencies. It was only as time went on that he showed there was a hell of a lot more to what he was doing and why. He very carefully maintains the lie of the useless Soapbox Sadie when he's around people he doesn't trust, but drops the act when he's trying to convince people, subtly, to ditch Miguel's Spider-Verse. Miguel doesn't see him as a threat, just as another wise-cracking Spider who happens to have a punk theme.
  • Also, Miguel let people like Plushie Spider-Man and Sixties Cartoon Spider-Man into the Society, it’s pretty clear he's willing to recruit anyone who isn't named Miles Morales.

How did the train not reach space with all that talking

• Am I mistaken or does the Nueva York train sequence lend itself heavily to some Artistic Licence on physics or space? The train appears to go at super speed straight up (apparently it's headed to the moon), and the whole scene of Miles escaping up the train, Miguel catching up to him and slamming him down and talking to him, Miles talking to Gwen and Peter B. Miles finally fighting back against Miguel, Miles standing up to say goodbye to Gwen etc. takes up several minutes. You'd think that the characters should at least get some trouble breathing (especially an outright baby being among them) the further up they go, but the extreme altitude never seems to bother any of them. Would they not realistically have reached space at that point or at least reached the limit of where they'd be able to breathe?
  • It takes space shuttles around eight and a half minutes to get to space, and it's theoretically possible to go slower than that while still being fast enough to reach orbit, so it's not a huge stretch that they didn't make it all the way up; the scene is only around four minutes. Shortly before Miles escapes, they're clearly above the cloud layer and you can briefly see the curvature of the Earth, so they were getting close.
  • There are spiders that can survive at very high altitudes, including at the top of the Himalayas, so it's not totally out of the question that the multitude of spider-durability powers include being able to handle thinner air without problems.
  • Maybe those rings the train kept passing through were maintaining some kind of gravity/atmosphere bubble.

Irresponsible parents

• Let's address the elephant in the room. No one bats an eye that Peter B. and Jessica Drew are endangering their kids? Jessica is riding a bike and fighting super villains while carrying a child inside her body. Peter B. takes his baby to a place where things could go wrong. Jessica gets on Gwen's case for being irresponsible, but she is no better.
  • Well, they are following a Spider-Man that's incredibly irrational and fatalistic. Not to mention, it never occurred to them, particularly Peter B, that since his daughter, Mayday, is a consequence of Miles' actions, Miguel would have her on his target list.
  • The only real danger Peter B. brings Mayday into is the chase for Miles, which isn't particularly dangerous at all; his "opponent" is someone he knows doesn't want to hurt him and definitely won't hurt his kid, and B. has 20+ years of mastery over his powers, swinging around the city (especially with no real enemies trying to fight or knock him down) is probably just as safe as driving the kid in a car. All we see him doing other than that is hanging around the Spider-Society HQ. If there was a serious battle happening, he'd almost certainly have gotten her out of there.
    • Plus, it's safe to assume Mayday inherited his super-toughness along with his other powers, so even in the very unlikely event of an accident, she should be okay long enough for him to get her out of danger.
  • Jessica is more complicated, since she's definitely in real danger, but she seems confident that her kid will be okay, so presumably she knows something the audience doesn't. Given Miguel's backstory, I doubt he would allow her on dangerous missions unless he was sure the baby wouldn't come to harm.

What's with Peni's quick change in allegiances

• Before she was fully onboard supporting Miguel's plans and imprison Miles but at the end, she immediately switches sides to Gwen to rescue Miles? What gives?
  • She wasn't actually part of the group chasing Miles, which means she couldn't actually go through with that. This and Gwen presumably telling Peni about how a Canon Event can be averted likely inspired Peni to defect entirely.
  • Given her more melancholy appearance, it seems like she was resigned to the "canon events" theory being true, possibly after experiencing some kind of tragedy since we last saw her. She wasn't trying to capture or threaten him, just trying to get him to stand down because she's convinced it really is for the best. She likely still cares about Miles, and jumped at the chance to help once Gwen brought evidence that they could save him and his father without breaking the multiverse.
  • By the end of the film Gwen has seen her father leave the force, proving that Miguel is wrong and "canon events" aren't set in stone. Sharing that information with the others may have been enough, especially if they already trust Gwen and Miles and have misgivings about what Miguel is doing.

No one else in Spider-Society other than Gwen is repulsed with Miguel's behavior

• Protecting the Universe is one thing but Miguel looks like he was about to kill Miles in cold blood like a cruel, evil monster. How come no one calls him out on that?
  • The rest of the Spiders had fallen pretty far behind by the time Miguel was losing it and getting truly feral; I doubt any of them could see or hear what was happening further up the train. The only ones who knew were Gwen, who gets kicked out, and Peter B., who seems hesitant to stir up conflict (and his rambling interjection gets shut down quickly, so maybe he wouldn't be taken seriously if he tried). Several of them seem a bit put off by Miguel's anger when he sends Gwen home, so they aren't totally blind to it, they just can't be repulsed by something they didn't witness.
  • Miguel also likely isn't this extreme normally. At other times he's seemingly supportive, taking on Gwen and performing important work in returning dimension-displaced villains to their home dimension. He's probably built up a good deal of trust (Spider Society wouldn't have happened overnight) so not everyone's going to turn on him the moment he starts going too far.

Miguel recruiting the Spider-Gang

• Miguel expresses reluctance to let Gwen into the Spider Society for two reasons: her connection to the collider incident from the first movie and her connection to Miles. So why does he also let Peter B. Parker and Peni into the Society as well?
  • Peter B. and Peni might have been recruited before the Spider Society got so extreme. Alternatively, their Police Captain Canon Events might have already occurred, so they might have believed it.
  • Gwen has a romantic interest in Miles, which they don't. And she has a much different connection to the rest of the Spideys than either of those two. There are countless variations of her dead best friend walking around and cracking jokes, and she is the dead love interest for many of them. It creates the sort of distance that would make her less likely to go along with the big plan.

Miguel Vs Miles

• When Miguel is fighting Miles on the train he appears to be at least a little physically stronger than him. When Miles starts draining his suit however, Miguel appears unable to escape his grip. Are Miguel's powers at least partially dependent on his suit, or is it that Miles gets stronger when he absorbs energy?
  • Both can be true. Miles could also be sticking to Miguel, as per his spider powers.

Captain Stacy being very stubborn

• Now there may be some problems between Gwen Stacy and her father due to the latter believing her alter ego killed Peter Parker and her not wanting to tell the truth. But George Stacy did not do himself any favors with his single-minded pursuit of Spider-Gwen and refusing to consider any possibility that she might not have been the killer. Miles Morales's father Jefferson was in the same boat, calling an APD on him when he thought he murdered his brother Aaron. However, he quickly wisened up when he saw Miles Morales stopping Kingpin and decided to work with him. How many times has Captain Stacy seen Spider-Gwen stop supervillains and save the lives of many civilians, including his own? Despite that, he still believes Spider-Gwen killed Peter Parker on purpose. Wouldn't there be protests from the people that Spider-Gwen saved, insisting that she is a hero and that he should give up this manhunt on her?
  • I think his pursuit being irrational is kind of the point; legally, it's justified because Spider-Woman is a vigilante and a person of interest in Peter's death, but the real reason is that he misses Peter and sees Peter's death as having hurt his daughter and their relationship. Blaming and pursuing the mysterious giant monster that invaded the gym then disappeared would have been more productive, but despite his convictions to be a moral police officer, blaming Spider-Woman validates any animosity (perhaps borne of jealousy) he may have had towards superheroes, and he may see previously trusting or ignoring Spider-Woman as a mistake he can now correct, whereas the monster came out of nowhere for him, so stopping it wouldn't be as emotionally satisfying. He's likely meant to be a counterpart to Miguel as a self-righteous and biased authority figure who ends up doing more harm than good.
  • J. Jonah Jameson exists in Spider-Gwen's universe, and he's probably spent the last few years spinning everything Gwen does in a negative light. Captain Stacy is probably smart enough not to believe everything he hears on the news, but perhaps he was influenced by it. Maybe he thinks that Spider-Woman is just pretending to be a hero to get good publicity. In any case he does change his mind within a few months of Gwen's confession. Maybe he spent that time double-checking the evidence and realizing that it doesn't add up the way he thought.
  • Jefferson and Capt. Stacy are different people so it’s entirely plausible for them to have different reactions, but also consider that Jefferson was hardline on Spider-Man as well before seeing the city's trauma when their Peter Parker was murdered. For both of them, the situation changed when they saw a person under the mask. Jefferson turned on Miles' Spider-Man out of anger at the loss of his brother, but considering it was really obvious Aaron was a criminal himself (and died from a gunshot, which Spider-Man wouldn't do), that anger faded faster.

Miles not getting his priorities straight

• So the beginning of this movie has Miles fighting The Spot who has some serious beef with him due to Miles accidentally turning him into something else. The Spot manages to control his powers and soon travels the Multiverse where Miles follows Gwen into Mumbattan to stop him alongside Pavitr and Hobie. Despite their efforts, Spot manages to juice himself up on the Super-Collider's energies and turn into a Transhuman Abomination. He delivers an ominous vision of the future and tells him, "See you home, Miles." which really freaks him out. However, Miles seem to forget all about The Spot when he gets an invite to Spider-Society's HQ. He says he want to join so he can get a watch but only so he can visit his friends and not so he can go back home and stop the Spot from killing his family! Miles is desperate to go back home when Miguel told him about Canon events and how his father is fated to die. But it seems like if Miguel did not do that, Miles would just be hanging out in the Spider-Society with the other Spider-People. Shouldn't Miles show a little more urgency or did he just forget about The Spot?
  • One of the first things Miles says to Miguel is that he has some ideas about stopping The Spot, so it was on his mind. He thought he and the Spider Society would be working together on that, just like he just did with Gwen, Hobie and Pavitr in Mumbattan.
  • Previously, Miles saw that Lyla can track The Spot across dimensions. He probably figured that everyone would spring into action if Spot did anything really dangerous, and since they're not springing into action he probably figured that Spot wasn't an immediate threat. (And incidentally, he's right. Spot apparently got busy doing something else, or else Miles' dad wouldn't still be alive at the end of the movie.)

One More Miles

• What justification does Miles have for being so cavalier and righteous about saving his father? It's established at the end that "Canon events" can maybe be avoided through Loophole Abuse (if George Stacy quits, he doesn't have to die for Gwen's story to match canon. will Gwen then have to either lose her universe, or grow close to another police captain just for them to die? But Miles doesn't learn that in the film; he's told and shown convincing evidence that averting a canon event jeopardizes the respective universe, and possibly the whole multiverse. Miguel claims he's tried every way to get around Canon events, and failed. Being Spider-Man is supposed to be about being responsible, and his father would lay down his life in a heartbeat if his life endangered his family, his world, and all of reality. Am I misunderstanding events, or is the movie expecting us to agree with Miles as he risks all of reality to save a loved one; an act that would impress his universe's Kingpin and apall One More Day Peter Parker?
  • The key point here is "Miguel claims" and Miguel is a hostile dick to Miles and thus Miles has no reason to trust him and why would someone care what One More Day Peter Parker thinks? (He was in favour of doing stupid shit to save his relative anyway?) Miles isn't planning to doom his universe by saving his dad, he wants to find a third option as well as stop The Spot from devastating the multiverse, so yeah, we're supposed to be on his side, not blindly accepted that you've got to not stop preventable deaths for the greater good.
    • OMD Peter Parker was brought up to demonstrate that what Miles was doing could be seen as worse than Canon!Peter Parker's Never Live It Down moment, but fair points otherwise.
  • No, those two events are not the same at all. Peter Parker in One More Day stupidly made a deal with Mephisto because somehow every Super-Genius in Marvel from Reed Richards, Hank Pym, and Doctor Strange could not fix a simple Bullet wound. Also bringing up Gwen Stacy's father putting as a police captain only proves Miles's point that Canon events are not really necessary to Spider-People and it is possible to avert them. There is no way Spider-Verse would go through the trouble of presenting Captain Stacy avoiding his fate by quitting the police force only to say, "Whoopsie, Gwen Stacy's universe explodes because nobody can avert destiny." That would just make the movie very cynical and negative which nobody would want to watch. Also The Spot is an anomaly who is not supposed to be if it weren't for Kingpin and Doc Ock's machinations with the Super-Collider, so his very existence threatens the very stability of the Multiverse even more than Miles and needs to be stopped no matter what.
  • For Miles, the whole point of being Spider-Man is using the power he has to save others and not live with the guilt of what-ifs. That's why his Peter Parker's death and later Aaron's death are "Canon Events" to his mythos. He did have the power to avert their deaths, but was too afraid to use them at the time. It told him that as Spider-Man, he should never let another innocent die because he didn't act. To him, saving his father is more than just saving someone he loves. It's preventing unnecessary tragedy because he now has the power and will to act. And if he's being told that his father's death must happen no matter what, well... there's no point in being Spider-Man then.
  • There is nothing heroic about letting a 15 year old kid's father die, or chasing after him when he doesn't want to go along with your plan. The spider-men in this movie behave like mindless thugs, following an unhinged guy's orders without question. They are no better than the bad guys they stop on weekly basis.

Did Pavitr Prabhakart know?

• It doesn't seem disturbing that Pavitr seems very happy and optimistic in the film, knowing full well Captain Singh will die? Sure he will be free to pursue his girlfriend Gayatri Singh, but does he realize the death of her FATHER will affect her? Was he planning to keep it a secret from her?
  • Which is pretty strong evidence he simply doesn't know about canon events before the events of the movie.

Why even bother chasing Miles?

• When Miles was shown about Canon events and how his father is destined to die, Miles refuses to accept it. Miguel is forced to imprison Miles but then he breaks out and makes a run for it. Why does Miguel even bother chasing after Miles? Miles wants to go back home in order to save his father. Logically, he would be heading straight for the Go Home Machine. Where else does Miles have to go in Miguel's universe? Miguel should have just ordered some Spiders to stay back at HQ and defend the Go Home Machine and just wait for Miles to come around to ambush him.
  • Every Spider Person in that building except Miles also has a universe-hopping wristwatch. Miguel wants Miles contained so he can't steal one of those and use THAT to go back home.
    • If that was Miles' plan, he had over a hundred opportunities to snatch a watch from all the Spider-People chasing him but he chose not to. But now you have me thinking why didn't Miles just do that instead of going for the Go Home Machine? Miles could have stolen a watch from Peter B. Parker while they are talking (unless Peter B. Parker was just wearing those Day passes). Albeit that would cut the awesome chase scene short.
    • Did he really have that much of an opportunity? He was still fighting off dozens of Spider people, so even if he got ahold of one that means trying to make sense of it on the run. Clearing the building meant he could work out how the Go Home Machine worked without being interrupted. Or dodge around a much smaller number of people with his invisibility, which is what ended up happening.

Miguel losing his alternate daughter was recent?

• Did Miguel lose his alternate daughter before or after he founded the Spider Society? At first the tragic flashback appeared to be from long ago, at least some years or so, and that it was this event that made Miguel realise he would create the Spider-society to help keep the universes safe from then on so something similar couldn't happen again. But on a rewatch I noticed that several of the other Spider-People, including even Peter B. are there when Miguel's alternate universe collapses as they all swing around to save people. Does this mean that Miguel found that universe coincidentally while recruiting Spider-People and thus made the decision on a whim to infiltrate it? If so, wouldn't the other Spider-People have called out the hypocrisy of this when the whole apparent purpose of the society is to keep the multiverse safe and free of disruptions? Or is the implication that the other Spider-People merely showed up (similarly to the Spider-People showing up in Miles' dimension in the first movie) due to the universe glitching out, and had nothing to do with Miguel bringing them there?
  • It's possible that the Spider-Society was originally founded by Spider-People who had no knowledge of canon events. Given that Miguel's universe is high-tech, there's a good chance that it all started when someone he knew invented universe-hopping technology. At that point Miguel probably founded the Spider Society just so Spider-People could team up if a particularly nasty villain ever showed up. Maybe he started picking up on clues that canon events were important but they hadn't really figured it out yet so he just ignored it. Then one day he decided to retire to the universe where he had a family and the other him had died, and the other Spiders were fine with that because they didn't know that canon events were a thing. Then that new universe collapsed, Miguel barely got home in one piece, and everyone freaked out and started doing research on why a universe would collapse like that, which is what led them to settle on the canon events theory.

Why isn't MCU Peter a leading member of the Spider Society?

• Considering the MCU Peter not only helped save the universe by participating in the fight against Thanos and also willing to sacrifice the existence of Peter Parker in order to save the multiverse, shouldn't MCU Peter be approached immediately to become a leading member of the Spider Society?
  • So have you actually watched Across the Spider-Verse? They have spelled out exactly why MCU Peter Parker would never be a member. The Spider Society prefers to focus on the Multiverse as a whole while ignoring anything going on in a singular universe. As bad as Thanos's actions would be, only the Marvel Cinematic Universe would be affected while leaving the rest of the Multiverse intact. Sacrificing one's identity does not make up for the fact that Peter Parker nearly destroyed the Multiverse because he wants to let a few people know he is Spider-Man. That is also why Miguel is on Miles' case because his universe was also the center of a multiversal calamity. And another thing that Miguel would detest about MCU Peter Parker is that he also tampered with Canon events by choosing to save the villains from other universes instead of letting them die like they originally did.

Why Gwen?

• Why is Gwen leading the Spider-Gang? If I'm not wrong, she has make a LOT of mistakes, even slightly moreso than Peter and Peni, with how she handled with Miles? I'm not sure any Spider would follow someone who almost condemned an innocent man (Jefferson) to die.
  • She's leading them because she's the one who brought them together after Miles went AWOL. She almost condemned Jefferson to die as much as anyone did. Miles is literally the first person to openly oppose Miguel's ideas. Peter B, Spider-Ham, Penni, Noir. Hundreds or thousands of other Spider-Persons were resigned to following Miguel For the Greater Good. I see no reason Gwen should be singled out for following Miguel.
  • The first movie made it clear that Gwen is very good at what she does. She's the leader because the other Spider-People have seen her in action and they know that they can trust her judgment.

About the other Miguel's death

• Is Miguel even sure that his counterpart's death was a Canon Event? Maybe he took it the wrong way and that instead of replacing him that breaks the canon, it's the death itself that's responsible? Maybe that Miguel's death wasn't supposed to happen?
  • That is rather the crux of the issue. It's implied that Miguel doesn't know as much as he thinks he does about Canon Events and their importance to the multiverse.

How does Marvel's Spider-Man PS 5 exist in Miles's world?

• We could see that Miles' roommate Ganke is busy playing the new Marvel's Spider-Man game. Now it kind of makes sense considering that the world's Peter Parker made money off of licensing his identity such as costumes, comics, and a Christmas album, and I suppose video games would be one of those. But that video game also includes Miles Morales as the second Spider-Man which that universe would have no idea the true identity of. Does the video game in that universe just not include Miles Morales at all?
  • Maybe they just made up a secret identity for Spider-Man II. Maybe it's Giles Morals in Miles' universe, where here it's Miles Morales.
    • Or Mils Morals.

Shouldn't Margo know where Miles is?

• Margo Kess or Spider-Byte was overseeing the Go-Home Machine when Miles barged in to use it so he could go back home. Don't you think she would know where the Go-Home machine actually sent him as it showed on a screen which universe he was actually going to. Otherwise, the Spider Gang might as well be going in blind and have to scour the entire Multiverse for Miles which would take months, let alone two days which is when Miles' father is going to die.
  • This will likely be answered in Beyond, but yes, the implication is they'll know where to go thanks to Margo. Alternatively, if Margo somehow forgot or didn't notice which dimension it was, they could go to the Spot's apartment in Miles' world where the dead spider that bit Miles is (assuming Gwen noticed when she was there) and "Earth 42" is written out on the glass there.

Does Mayday count as an Anomaly

• Miguel detests Miles due to him becoming Spider-Man from interdimensional interference due to The Spot dragging his Spider from another dimension. But wouldn't Mayday also constitute as an Anomaly according to Miguel's rules? She only exists because of Peter B. Parker's excursion into another universe where Miles' presence gave him the courage to turn his life around and reconnect with MJ where they had Mayday. Do you think Miguel tolerates her despite her status due to also being a father himself or because the Spider-Society would abandon him on the spot if he tried to antagonize a baby?
  • It's a good question. I'll put money down on "Miguel didn't think of it". Just another chip on the "Miguel doesn't know as much as he thinks he does" pile. He probably didn't probe Peter's past enough to recognize the positive influence Miles had on his outlook and just assumed Peter got back together with MJ because Peter/MJ is OTP.

Isn't Miguel violating a Canon event?

• Miguel initially plans to keep Miles trapped when he makes it clear he is going to save his dad from the Spot and break a Canon event. But isn't Miguel's actions violating the Canon event as well? Miguel specifies a Canon event where a police captain dies saving a child during a battle between Spider-Man and his arch-nemesis. But he is ensuring there isn't even a Spider-Man there to fight Spot. And Jefferson Morales is not going to die as collateral damage, The Spot is straight-up going to murder him. Does Miguel even know that The Spot is going to be the cause of Jefferson Morale's death? Not really since he just off-handedly tells someone to catch Spot like he was an afterthought.
  • Considering Miguel's Hidden Disdain Reveal towards Miles, it's obvious Miguel is putting his animosity first over logic.

How is Gwen supposed to stop the Spider Society without any backup

• It was stupid of Gwen to not rally any other Spider and just head to Miles's Dimension to fight the society. Even she can't take them all on.
  • At that point she didn't really have time to do much else. She believed Miles had gone to his dimension and she'd need to act quickly to let him know she's on his side again and likely help defend him against Miguel and whoever else came for him, regardless how impulsive it would be; what mattered to Gwen was helping Miles out in any way she could at that point and let him know how sorry she was. It's only when finding out he's in a different dimension and thus Miguel himself won't know where he is that Gwen collects herself to realise she needs to find more backup.

Shouldn't the original Spider-Man of Miles' universe have hit the relevant Canon events?

• Ignoring for a sec that the Canon theory seems obviously flawed, are the Canon events per universe or per Spider-Man? Earth-1610B Chris-Pinerman should already have had both a dead Captain George Stacy and Gwen Stacy under his Spider-belt, so wouldn't that not be Miles' problem?
  • Miguel seems to believe it's per Spider-Man; the universes themselves aren't the point of connection, but the Spider-Man's (or Spider-Woman's or Spider-Car's, or Spider-Tyrannosaurus Rex's) place in it. Miguel's interference in his alternate universe self's canon destroyed that universe (or so he believes). But he also thinks that Miles isn't a real Spider-Man - Prowler-42 is, or should have been - so logically you wouldn't think canon events would happen to him anyway. Miguel's not exactly consistent on that point.

A Train To The Moon?

• How exactly does the 2099-verse train to the moon work? Considering that the moon is not in geostationary orbit, how can a train go there at all? Furthermore, it's a 239,000 mile tube? "Train to the International Space Station" I could buy, but the moon?
  • Alternate universe where the moon is in geostationary orbit?
  • A train that leaves the elevator at the top and goes through space to the moon?

What are the rest of the Spider People doing in HQ?

• Why exactly are there so many Spider-People in the Spider-Society HQ? They don't seem to be doing much besides just hanging out with other Spider-People. Don't they have their own universes to worry about when not on Spider Society duty? We know Gwen's reason for abandoning her own universe to avoid being arrested by her father. But what about the other Spider-People? Don't tell me they all just accepted Miguel's invite and decided to abandon their own universes for his clubhouse. That is not very responsible of them.
  • Maybe that is why many of these Spider-People did a poor job trying to catch Miles. They just got Lazy.
  • Probably a mixture of Rule of Cool: letting us see all the Spider-people together although they don't normally all hang there at the same time otherwise, time possibly moving differently in dimensions (probably not all, but some of them i.e. Jess Drew not being further along in her pregnancy when we see her again), and the Spiders spending some time in the Society doesn't mean they stay that long away from their own dimension, but mainly come there when they want to chill/spend time with other Spiders, or specifically receive assignments from Miguel.
  • As we see with Miles and Gwen, being the only Spider-Person around kinda sucks. They can't open up to anyone due to secret identity, and even if they do have a Secret-Keeper no one can properly relate to what they're dealing with. So I’m sure many see "hanging out with a bunch of people just like me" as a huge boon.
  • It’s possible that the Spider Society is even larger than the movie implies, and the ones we see in the movie are just the ones who happened to be at the HQ when Miles was there.

Non-human Spider-People's senses of humor

• So, Miguel is the only Spider-Man without a sense of humor, huh? That implies that Spider-Cat, Spider-Wolf, Spider-Rex, Spider-Mobile, possibly Widow, and other non-humans also have senses of humor. What are their senses of humor like?
  • Cat humor is probably pushing things off of ledges.

Why did Miguel let Miles know about Canon events

• It would have been better off for Miguel if he never have told Miles anything. If Miguel was really worried about Miles disrupting Canon events, he should have just had his Spider-People send Miles straight home after the India Spider-Man incident. Boom, Miles no longer is interfering in other universes because he doesn't have a watch of his own. Let Miles remain blissfully unaware his father is going to die so it would happen naturally when Spot kills him. Doesn't Miguel know about the Self-fulfilling prophecy? Telling Miles his father is going to die would just encourage him to do anything he can to prevent it even though it could destroy his universe. Why would Miguel risk telling Miles anything if he already considered him an anomaly?
  • It definitely requires some suspension of disbelief, but Miguel already had a disdain for Miles for being the "Original Anomaly", then he follows Gwen to Mumbattan where he ends up disrupting a "canon event" which (in Miguel's belief) nearly causes Pavitr's dimension to unravel. This happening on top of his Anomaly status, Miguel likely figured that Miles was becoming such a danger he couldn't risk letting him go home and potentially risk "canon" yet again in some other way; he wanted to bring him in and explain everything to him and why it was so dangerous, hoping he'd listen (or lock him up for two days till his dad died which is its own can of worms obviously), but the implication is otherwise (from my understanding at least) that he thought letting Miles be left to himself anymore was too risky and he'd end up breaking another canon one way or another, so he'd take the risk of trying to "reason" with him instead.
    • What kind of Canon could Miles be possibly breaking inside his own universe? I thought it was understood that Canon events are only disrupted by entities outside of their universe which is why The Spider Society captured the Renaissance Vulture as well as the other anomalies and why Miles being in Mumbattan when he is not supposed to be is a huge deal. Otherwise, Pavitar would have lost his "Captain Stacey" if it weren't for Miles's intervention. And Miguel does not seem surprised by Miles's refusal and just had him trapped inside a laser cage as if he was already planning on doing that nd reasoning with him was just a formality. And Miguel is already biased towards Miles, treating his very existence as if it already disrupts the very fabric of reality even if it makes no sense once you think about it. Why is Miguel trying to force Canon events on Miles even though according to him, Miles was never supposed to be Spider-Man to begin with?
    • That's an inconsistency for Miguel. The canon event in the death of Jefferson, the police captain connected the Spider-Man, but Miguel believes that Miles isn't supposed to be Spider-Man, so logically there should be no canon event attached to him, meaning Jefferson has no reason to die. But he is, but he's not supposed to be, but he is, but he's not supposed to be, but he is, oh no, I've gone cross-eyed. Perhaps he just thinks he's erring on the side of caution. Just on the off-chance that Miles is Spider-Man, or the closest facsimile his universe has, canon events will still destroy it (assuming canon events are the source of the destruction in the first place, which seems extremely unlikely at this point, but try and get a Knight Templar to question his methods. It won't happen before the finale).
  • This might be further explained in Beyond, but the implication seems to be that when someone becomes Spider-Man, canon events are "automatically" assigned to them. For all the problems Miguel has with Miles, him having his own canon events doesn't seem to be one of them. And it probably isn't impossible for a Spider-Man to accidentally break a canon event of his own. Consider that when Miguel shows a montage of these, one of Peter's canon events is presented as his marriage to MJ. Wouldn't Peter B. then divorcing her in the first movie have almost, if not completely broken this canon event? But the point of it all is likely that we'll figure out the canon events aren't real or at least not the potential universe-breaking catastrophes Miguel makes them out to be. (And ironically, Miles would have been the cause of Peter B. preserving his canon event by re-marrying MJ, which might be something that comes up in Beyond if it becomes relevant.)

What's bad about the Go-Home Machine?

The scene where the Go-Home Machine is introduced is framed as the first sign that there's something wrong with the Spider Society, (Miles looks horrified when he sees it working, Gwen says she voted against it, and Hobie's voice is dripping with sarcasm when he says it’s "super humane and not creepy".) but what is actually morally wrong about it? Sure, it looks absurdly sinister, but sending displaced supervillains back to their dimension of origin seems way more ethical than allowing them to die from glitching or imprisoning them indefinitely.

• Could be that Hobie feels that locking someone up like an animal is the inhumane bit. Also, it could be that the machine itself is just unsafe. When we see it used on Miles and Gwen, it doesn’t just spit them out in their home universe, it flings them. I’m willing to bet that if they weren’t Spiders, they’d have broken a few ribs.

How come nobody asked why those universes still exist then?

• To anyone who believes in Canon event theories, this seems like an elephant in the room. Miguel said that canon event disruption leads to a universe's destruction. Miguel called out Miles, saying that there is a universe without a Spider-Man because its spider was taken away and bit him instead which turns out to be Earth-42. So Miguel was aware that universe existed and what has changed. So why did nobody ask the glaringly obvious question, how come that universe still exists then? You can't get any more canon-breaking than someone destined to be Spider-Man not getting bitten like they are supposed to. Did Miguel just stop watching after seeing Earth-42 Miles not getting bitten and just assume that Earth is doomed already? Nobody thought to check on that Universe to see that it is still relatively fine. (Overrun by crime with no Spider-Man to stop it certainly, but still have not collapsed into oblivion.) Won't Spider-People see this as a rather glaring hole in Miguel's theories? Or does Miguel just immediately kick out everybody who dares ask that question?
  • I’m willing to bet it’s that last one. I’ve seen some people point out that the way Miguel operates the Spider Society is a lot like a cult. Cults usually prey on people who are emotionally vulnerable (such as those who are heavily depressed, mentally or financially unstable, or just looking for a place to belong— sound familiar?) and convince them of a certain belief or higher power that usually can’t be proven or disproven, and the cult members will accept this as fact, ingratiating themselves into their new ideology so they have a comforting escape from their own problems. A whole society of people who have suffered from the trauma and stress of being a superhero would be the ideal group of people to form into a cult. Miguel might be purposefully ignoring all evidence that disproves his theory, and by extension so do the rest of the Spiders. Of course a lot of them would probably question the Canon Event theory after seeing Miles’s universe and Earth-42 survive a break in canon, but they’re probably either too afraid to question Miguel, or they’re so convinced about Canon that they jump through a bunch of mental hoops just to explain away the inconsistencies. Those who do start to question his dogma are either punished or excommunicated. Admittedly this all requires some willing suspension of disbelief, but considering how much power Miguel has over his subordinates, it’s incredibly likely that everyone is just willfully ignorant about the whole thing.

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