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I think we should cut and Yard this since it's heavily misused in addition to starving. The three-digit inbound count despite being made in 2013 means there wouldn't be a problem with a full-fledged cut.
Edit: It looks like this might have been made without TLP, so that could explain the current situation.
Edit: I meant three-digit inbound count, but said wick count by mistake. (The OP already makes it clear that the wick count is much lower than that, but I used the wrong word by mistake.)
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 8:44:54 AM
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The question is if should be changed from trope to index. I support it, as it is a genre, even if it's not as popular.
The second question is if we should have indexes that allow context, and there may have been several Wiki Talk on the topic and I have stressed we should settle that. Not here though.
Edited by Amonimus on Mar 8th 2024 at 5:58:15 PM
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Maybe we could reclassify it as a genre/index instead of a trope, in which case wick count wouldn't matter since indexes don't belong in trope lists. I'll change my vote to that. As for indexes requiring context, I personally don't think it's important like it is for tropes, but you're right that Wiki Talk would be the place to hash that out.
Also, I accidentally said this has a three-digit wick count in my previous post, but I meant it has a three-digit inbound count since the wick count isn't nearly that high.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 8:47:47 AM
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I vote for changing to Genre/Index
the Retromancer
As for treatement of genre pages, I believe it was this thread
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Convert to an index
Speaking as the creator of the Repton page, I fully support making this a genre/index.
Regarding whether it's a full genre or subgenre, that's tricky. This is a narrowly defined type of game, requiring a specific set of mechanics, so that leans towards subgenre. But most digging games are action/puzzle hybrids and can vary in how "puzzly" they are (Repton 3 is very puzzly, especially in new level sets; Repton less so, Boulder Dash still less, and Mr Do not at all), so making it a subgenre of Puzzle Game is a tad misleading — but may be the best option available.
Regarding this setting a precedent, I'm not sure, do we have to treat all genres the same? Metroidvania, for example, is a genre, but is often used as a trope to specify when games have Metroidvania-ish elements without being full members of the genre.
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to changing to an index or a genre.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Since this is a Not Thriving thread and there's already support for it, I figured it wouldn't hurt to go ahead and run a crowner for whether to convert the page from a trope to an index.
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Let's go ahead and call this one in favor of converting it into a genre page and index since the wick count is low and this decision has plenty of support.
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Took care of the wicks, which were mostly above-the-line and thus able to stay. Removed it from Pages Needing Wicks (since it's no longer classified as a trope page and thus doesn't need wicks) and Tropes Needing TRS (since this thread exists). Locking up.
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- At first glance, Digging Game appears to be a perfectly normal index. However, it's actually a trope where every example is a Zero Context Example. The trope is not thriving, having only 16 wicks and having been around for 10 years. This is probably because people don't realize that this page is a trope. In addition, in the wick check, all 16 wicks were checked; none of them were examples of Digging Game in trope lists.
- Converting the page from a trope into an index for the genre was suggested. Should that be done? Since indexes are not meant to be listed as tropes in example lists, the low wick count wouldn't be a problem if this is done.
At first glance, Digging Game appears to be a perfectly normal index. However, it's actually a trope where every example is a Zero-Context Example. The trope is not thriving, having only 16 wicks and having been around for 10 years. This is probably because people don't realize that this page is a trope.
Digging Game could be converted into an index with very little effort. However, that feels like a cop-out to me, because several other video game genres are tropes where at least some examples have full context. These include Escort Game and Medical Game, which are listed at the one-bullet level of indentation on the Video Game Genres page, and Cinematic Platform Game, Mascot Racer, and MUSH, which are listed at the three-bullet level of indentation on the Video Game Genres page. (What level Digging Game belongs at isn't clear: Digging Game is listed at the one-bullet level of indentation on the Video Game Genres page, which implies that it's not a subgenre. However, the Digging Game page itself claims that the trope is "a genre of Puzzle Game.") There are also genres at the one-bullet level which are indices of games, such as Action Game, Adventure Game, Card Battle Game, Puzzle Game, Romance Game, and Simulation Game, as well as genres at the three-bullet level which are indices of games, such as Factory-Building Game and Kinetic Novel. Whether a genre is an index or a trope seems to be almost random. If anything, it comes down to how willing people are to put in the effort of writing examples for each game.
What you decide here will set a precedent. If you decide that Digging Game should be an index, you should also conclude for the same reason that all video game subgenres should be indices, and that Cinematic Platform Game, Mascot Racer, and MUSH should have their examples stripped of context and become indices. If you decide that Digging Game should stay as a trope, you should also conclude for the same reason that all video game subgenres should be tropes, including Factory-Building Game and Kinetic Novel. You might want to send these pages back to the Trope Launch Pad for help writing examples, or if you're more cynical, you might want to cut them. Like I am, you might be less certain about making genres at the one-bullet level into tropes.
In my Wick Check, I checked all 16 wicks. None of them were examples of Digging Game in trope lists. I decided that merely mentioning digging was not enough for full context, because a Digging Game is not simply a game that involves digging. Rather, it's a 2D game where the difficulty comes from the possibility of the player's path being blocked by falling objects. Minecraft involves digging, but it's not a Digging Game because it's 3D and almost every block (including falling blocks) can be broken without consequence.
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Boulder Dash is one of the more popular action-puzzle games of the 8-bit era, and remains the archetypal Digging Game. First released for Atari 8-Bit Computers in 1984 and endlessly ported, including to the NES and Virtual Console. In it, the hero Rockford must explore a series of caves/levels, collect a certain quota of diamonds, and reach the exit without dying. Depending on how a level is designed, it could be evocative of Block Puzzles like Sokoban or a hectic arcade game similar to Dig Dug, minus the player's capacity to directly defend himself.
Boulder Dash's primary feature is that boulders and diamonds are subject to gravity, but the player is not. A stack of rocks and diamonds will roll off of each other into a pile if there is room to do so. A careless player may find himself crushed or trapped beneath a mountain of rubble.
Motherload
Motherload
is a flash Digging Game developed by XGen Studios in 2004. The game takes place on Mars sometime in the future in a small Martian mining outpost. The player controls a lone mining pod and is tasked to drill underneath the planet's surface in search of valuable ores. The gameplay is based on the mechanics of Dig Dug, except that there are no Pookas and Fygars to be seen under the surface—the entire challenge of the game comes solely from navigating the hazardous Martian sub terrain for ore and hauling it to the surface alive with the mining pod intact and without running out of fuel.
You, on the other hand, can rest assured that you will always plunge to your death if you step off the edge of a cliff. The player is always gravity's bitch. (Except if you happen to be playing a Digging Game; then it works the other way around entirely.)
Video Game Tropes
Diamond Digger
Diamond Digger AKA Raiders of the Forbidden Mine AKA Raiders of the Lost Mine AKA Gold Miner is a real-time Digging Game. The objective is to collect as many diamonds as possible by manuevering the player character through a series of levels situated in an underground mine while evading the ghost capable of killing upon contact.
Dig Dug
Dig Dug is a Digging Game by Namco, first released as an Arcade Game in 1982. The objective of the game is for your player (initially just named "Dig Dug", but later changed to Taizo Hori) to dig underground and eliminate all of the monsters on each stage using a special pressure pump to inflate them to bursting. You can also dig out the dirt beneath buried rocks to drop them on enemies.
Dome Keeper
Dome Keeper is a Tower Defense Digging Game with Roguelike elements, developed by bippinbits and published by Raw Fury in September 2022.
In it, you play a Dome Keeper defending your Dome against waves of alien attackers, while using your down time between waves to mine below your Dome in search of minerals for upgrades and a mysterious alien artifact to bring home.
Repton
Repton is a classic Digging Game written by Tim Tyler in 1985 for the BBC Micro. The eponymous protagonist finds himself, for no discernible reason, in a maze filled with diamonds, all of which must be collected to complete each level. Obstacles to doing this include falling rocks, reptilian monsters and the ever-present time limit.
SubTerra
Sub Terra Draconis
Sub Terra Draconis is a puzzle game developed by Crystal Shard. It is the sequel to SubTerra.
Like in any Digging Game, the goal is to get gems and then reach the exit. The main character is a dragon, who aims to collect the biggest hoard ever, and who can breathe fire to scorch adjacent squares. The obstacles are grouped in an elemental theme. Unusual for a digging game, Sub Terra also includes elements from Chip's Challenge, ZZT, and Laser Light.
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