Awful name: New Crowner 10/24/11: Dropped A Bridget On Him

And, again, it's offensive.

Either way, let's get it settled whether we're renaming or not. Crowner.

Gah, I hate when I do that.

edited 22nd Aug '11 6:51:06 PM by Arha

Literal traps, although some things referred to as traps could apply.

I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.

I really think we should hold off on the crowner until someone does a wick check. At 842 wicks and 14000 inbounds, we need to follow procedure here.

Eddie started the thread, so I don't think he'll mind.

I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.

Well, if someone wants to they can go ahead and do the wick check. But putting up the crowner now stops us from arguing in circles and forgetting the issue entirely.

Where did I mention Eddie?

I'm doing a wick check right now, so just hold off for a few minutes.

I'm a bit wary of this being renamed largely on Word of Mod, but the Bad Snowclone is certainly an argument; if we can find actual misuse at the same time, that'll add more support to the fire.

I don't have a care for or against this trope, so I have no interest in voting on it without an objective cause.

edited 22nd Aug '11 7:20:48 PM by Stratadrake

An Ear Worm is like a Rickroll: It is never going to give you up.

I'm pretty neutral on this one. I've been favoring renames based on hating character named tropes lately but I imagine this is both the only thing Bridget is widely known for and may have spread into more common usage. So until I see the misusage numbers I won't be voting.

Dear gods, I hate doing wick checks. Especially for ones I don't think should be changed. Anyway, I know you don't need to put the whole line in, but I did it anyway.

EDIT: And if anyone knows if the X Just X ones are right/wrong (or any of the others, for that matter), let me know.

Correct:

• Blinky Bill
  • Dropped A Bridget On Him: Happens in Blinky And The Film Star. See Foe Yay below.
• Escort Mission, under Resident Evil 4:
  • There is even in the PS 2/ Wii versions of the game a suit of armor for Ashley as an alternate outfit - this renders her invulnerable to bullet fire and makes her impossible for the enemies to carry off which turns her into an amazing trap (not like that) for your enemies. If you're getting mobbed, put her in the center of a room and your back against a wall. They'll pick her up and immediately fall over which won't stop them from trying while you slowly pick them off. (a joke, but still correct)
• Empowered
  • It would be funny if such an obvious fan service machine was really a man. (out of universe reaction, but looks correct)
• Gayngst
  • In the No Bra manga, Masato is constantly torturing himself over his awakening feelings for his childhood friend, Yuki. The fact that Yuki looks and acts like a cute girl and is obviously in love with Masato makes matters even more complicated. Masato finally gives in to his feelings later on though. (thought it was misuse for Dude Looks Like a Lady, but it turns out to be correct)
• Girls Bravo
  • Attractive Bent-Gender: Yukinari is forced to dress up as a girl in order to host a gaming tournament. His disguise is so convincing even the local pervert Fukuyama mistakes him for a pretty girl, which makes the metaphorical bridge all too heavy for Fukuyama.
• Hakuouki
  • Dropped A Bridget On Him: Nagumo Kaoru to Okita and the viewers. Can't be helped since he looks identical to Chizuru, his twin sister.
• Happy Fun Ball
  • Guilty Gear features the infamous Bridget. Less famous is the fact that Bridget's weapons included a yo-yo and a teddy bear, both capable of sprouting sawblades or shooting out jets of flames.
• Infinite Space
  • Dropped A Bridget On Him: Torlo and Yuri don't even know she's a girl before she sacks the former after being told to "grow some muscles".
• Iono The Fanatics
  • Dropped A Bridget On Her: Inverted. Iono not only isn't uncomfortable with Tomo Sonoo when she finds out the cute girl she was crushing on is a he, she's actually impressed.

—> Iono:Who would have thought even a dedicated skirt chaser like me could have been fooled. (probably shouldn't be dealing with inversions, but it looks right)

• Jerry Springer
  • Dropped A Bridget On Him: Just about every fifth episode. Most featured men who, up until that point, thought they were dating a woman will unleash their fury upon the newly-discovered man.
• Kämpfer
  • She appears to have feelings for Natsuru and is more than a bit bothered by the presence of a girl with the same name as his (who in reality is Natsuru in his Kämpfer form). When she was attending the Miss Seitetsu contest of the school festival, she caught a bouquet that Kaede tossed and Messenger was hidden in it. Due to that, she became a Schwert-type Red Kämpfer armed with a Japanese sword. Since she's a red Kämpfer, Natsuru does his best to stay way from her to avoid revealing the fact that male Natsuru and Blue Kampfer Natsuru are one and the same. The question is: How long can he keep up the charade? Answer in the anime: his identity is compromised right away.
• Katamari Damacy
  • * Viewer Gender Confusion - For some reason, tends to cause a lot of "Wait, Dipp is a guy?!" reactions. (out of universe reaction, but still correct)
• Kira Kira
  • Dropped A Bridget On Him: Shika to Ondo, though Ondo doesn't care. (toeing the line a little, but it does note it as a subversion)
• Koko Wa Greenwood
  • Dropped A Bridget On Him: There's at least three specific instances this in regards to Shun:
    • In all versions, Kazuya is initially tricked into believing Shun is female. In the manga/anime, he finds out the truth when he sees Shun use a urinal. In the drama, he finds out when Shun starts undressing for a bath.
    • In the Baseball Episode, the opposing team finds out when Shun is hit in the groin by the ball.
    • Most of the Pool Episode is told from the point of view of one of the lifeguards, who spots Shun, decides he's a chick, and spends most of the chapter plotting how to ask "her" out, until the very end when Shun takes off his shirt.
• Macademi Wasshoi
• * Dropped A Bridget On Him: On the viewer. That shapely body in the shower at the beginning of episode 2? Takuto.
• Male Gaze

  • Used as foreshadowing in "The Philosopher's Stone" episode of the first anime. A delivery woman is warned about a Serial Killer who goes after pretty, young women. Then there's a nice body shot of Winry when she meets the woman at her refrigerated van. Turns out that woman staring at Winry isn't. (if I remember that episode right, its correct)

• Marugoto Anju Gakuen
  • Dropped A Bridget On Him: Happens constantly through the manga when characters discover she is a he.
• Medabots
  • Dropped A Bridget On Him: Ikki, Kouji, and Kagiyama during their match against Team Sweden, who are presented as a trio of beautiful Idol Singers, but who are actually Roborobos... MALE Roborobos.
• We Are Our Avatars
  • Dropped A Bridget On Him: The way to ruin a sultry scene she herself created? Reveal that Catherine's a man. Once done to Zapp by Red, the second was done when she herself dropped one on Other!Apala.
• Monster
  • Attractive Bent-Gender: Dresses in drag and seduces Jan Suk. For a very old-fashioned girl sense of "seduce," anyway. Or maybe he has stubble issues. (little bit iffy, but sounds right)
• Narutaru
  • Dropped A Bridget On Him: Norio drops this on the city thugs that break into his and Takeo's home. It does not end well for him at all.
• Native American Mythology
  • Dropped A Bridget On Him: In one Apache story, Coyote demands a girl, and gets a boy dressed like a girl instead. (not completely clear, but seems right)
• Natsume Yuujinchou
  • Dropped A Bridget On Her - Hinoe, who really liked Reiko, gets as far as groping Natsume's chest before it dawns on her that he's actually her Identical Grandson. She is not pleased.

—>Hinoe: ...Where are your boobs?

• One Piece
  • Episode 510: Ivankov arrives on his island in his full female form, which Sanji instantly falls for. But he reverts back to his original sex as Sanji was about to take "her" hand. Talk about Dropped A Bridget On Him !!
• Other Internet
  • There are no girls on the internet.
    • HA! HA! This female troper is using the Internet!!!1◊
      • No! It's a trap!
• Our Dwarves Are All the Same
  • Often treated as a functional One-Gender Race; one of the only widespread (but not universal) novelties is what the women look like. Even then, the most common ones seem to veer somewhere around "Grandmother from The Old Country,"/"adorable" (depending on age) or "you're looking at one now" (referring to an otherwise typical Dwarf). (technically gender confusion again, but I think every character's reaction in this fits the trope)
• What Beautiful Eyes!
  • In Natsume Yuujinchou, one of the first things Hinoe does when Takashi Natsume summons her is gush about his eyes... only to immediately retract the compliment and all others when she realizes she's got the wrong Natsume.
• Gravion
  • Dropped A Bridget On Him: Drops them on the audience surprisingly often. (moved from X Just X)
• Long-Haired Pretty Boy
  • Nagihiko Fujisaki from Shugo Chara. Justified because he's a crossdresser. (moved from X Just X)
• Viewer Gender Confusion
  • Steins Gate gives us Ruka Urushibara, who acts and sounds like a woman, looks more Bishoujo than any other girl, mostly dresses in Miko outfits and feminine-looking clothing. But, he's a guy. (moved from X Just X)

Wrong:

• Fire Emblem Seisen No Keifu:
  • Mood Whiplash: His confrontation with Gandolf in the Nuts Fujimori manga reeks of this. First he appears all cool to defend poor Adean, then drops a bridget on Gandolf who thinks he's a girl, and the action remains more or less comical until Gandolf almost kills him and leaves him to bleed to death while he takes a panicking Adean away. (hard to parse, but I think that would be wrong)
• Holiday in Cambodia
  • In Wasted Youth, Mr. Stouffer breaks down into a "Vietnam flashback" while giving a speech, during which time he reveals that he slept with a transvestite while on vacation in Vietnam. (might be correct, but I'm gonna assume “no”)
• Modest Medusa
  • Dropped A Bridget On Him: On the part of the reader. Recent offhand comments from a background character reveal that The Medusa might be a boy — or at least sounds like one on the phone. (mistaken for gender confusion again)
• Nippon Ichi
  • Stripperiffic: Many, but the sexytype monsters (drawn by the artist of the Marl series instead of the Disgaea artist) take the cake. Not to be outdone, the Disgaea artist has drawn nudist green flower-girlsguys and warrior women wearing a pair of belts as a tube top. (gender confusion again, though I suppose it could be right)
• Ojou
  • Itsuki in Heartcatch Pretty Cure — when the term is used, it's a giveaway that he is really a she. (gender confision)
• Penguin Musume
  • Dropped A Bridget On Him - Thanks to being raised as a boy, Kujira was dropped on herself at some point before the series started. She's still pretty danged tomboyish, despite her best efforts to the contrary.
    • Also her fiance the Chinese Girl, Sha Chi, either has apparently still not realized Kujira's gender or she just doesn't care, although given that she sees the engagement as a way to have cool martial arts battles it might be the latter. (not completely sure, but I'm going with wrong)

X Just X, or not enough detail:

• Flight Of The Conchords
  • Dropped A Bridget On Him: In the second season song "Carol Brown", there's "Bruce turned out to be a man"... (it looks wrong, but not enough detail to be sure)
• Get Backers
  • Dropped A Bridget On Him (Kazuki being the Bridget)
• Health And Physical Education For 30 Year Olds
  • Dropped A Bridget On Him: This is how Macaron is introduced.
• Ice Revolution
  • Dropped A Bridget On Him: (considering the premise is a Wholesome Crossdresser, probably correct)
• Kuragehime
  • Dropped A Bridget On Her
• Late-Arrival Spoiler, under Fresh Pretty Cure

  • In Heartcatch Pretty Cure, Itsuki Myoudouin is a girl and Cure Sunshine; Yuri Tsukikage is Cure Moonlight. Not only did the merchandising department spoil this in their rush to market two more Cures, the trailers completely gave away Sunshine's identity before it was officially revealed. (probably correct, but not enough context)

• Let The Right One In
  • Dropped A Bridget On Him: Eli, though his genitals were cut off by the vampire who bit him. (seems confused with Dude Looks Like a Lady again, but its not clear)
• Literature K-Z
  • Tales Of MU: Slice-of-life story featuring a pacifist cannibal, a girl who wants to not want, a dwarf with a sylph's beard, an errant trap, a comic book geek's wet dream, and the token human/male. (judging from the term “trap,” I'd assume its right, but not enough detail)
• Lovely Complex
  • Dropped A Bridget On Him: Seiko (since it only mentions one name, probably wrong)
• Mothy
  • Dropped A Bridget On Him: Madness of Duke Venomania, with Kaito and his female fan-counterpart Kaiko.
• Multinational Team, under X Men

  • For Moonstar, her ambiguous bisexuality might be Genius Bonus: Identifying as "heterosexual" or "homosexual" as a bifurcation is rarer on Indian reservations, largely because of a tradition of winkte, kurami, and the like. Magik also later got the Legacy Virus, which is analogous to HIV in the Marvel Universe. Wait, an ancient Roman tribe that lived in Brazil? (I don't know what to make of this)

• Naked Gun
  • Dropped A Bridget On Him: Tanya's silhouette reveal in her final scene.
• Pangya
  • Dropped A Bridget On Him: Everyone thought Nell is just another loli, cue the reveal of Nell's real gender. Trap fans rejoiced.
• Welcome To Utopia
  • Dropped A Bridget On Him: Some of the "glitches".
• Zenith
  • Dropped A Bridget On Him: TNT Tom and pre-op transsexual Metamaid. Tom doesn't seem to mind. (sounds wrong, but not enough detail)

30 right

6 wrong

15 maybe (4 probably wrong, 3 probably right)

Meant to check only 50, but got an extra by mistake. Regardless, 6/36 is 16.6% wrong.

Conclusion:

The main problem seems to be misuse for gender confusion in general, not the more specific trope this is. Not sure what to do with that. Tired.

edited 22nd Aug '11 8:48:48 PM by Discar

The Gravion, Shugo Chara and Steins Gate ones should be right. I think.

Steins Gate definitely is, though that time the person who got the Bridget dropped on them was a woman, but she had the right reaction.

The only thing more painful than a wikilink check is a wikilink cleaning.

*traumatic memories of cleaning 250 of 500 wikilinks from Involuntary Shapeshifting*

edited 22nd Aug '11 8:22:14 PM by Stratadrake

An Ear Worm is like a Rickroll: It is never going to give you up.

6/36 wrong, then. 16.6%

18.3 — no, wait, you're right. I was thinking of something else.

edited 22nd Aug '11 8:23:08 PM by Stratadrake

An Ear Worm is like a Rickroll: It is never going to give you up.

That means major misuse hadn't been proven yet, and a bigger wicks check must be made in order to see if the title works.

Actually, with the number of wiks, that's actually statistically significant. We can stay with that many wiks checked that it going to have about that level of misuse which is actually pretty low.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick

That's one in six wicks wrong. IIRC the threshold for "problematic" is one in ten (I recall someone quoting Eddie to this extent).

Anyway... Yeah. I suppose that's a problem.

edited 22nd Aug '11 9:33:05 PM by TripleElation

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No, 1 in 10 is average misuse that happens to just about any trope that gets large enough.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick

Then the trope isn't being missued and the name isn't a problem.

I would say that it should be renamed regardless because: 1) snowclone, 2) character-named trope, and 3) is a fandom-specific joke that... really... didn't make sense to me until the IP discussion for this trope came up, and even then I can only kind of guess at it.

I guess what really makes the case for me is that it's a terrible snowclone because the original trope it cloned has nothing to do with it even remotely...

I am now known as Flyboy.

I'm not sure this is a snowclone. I could imagine this coming up on its own. The trope is about a sudden revelation (dropped) of a different gender (usually male turns out to be female, hence Bridget) to one character. And someone mentioned this was a pre-existing term...(looks back). Yep, shima said that.

Care to elaborate on the pre-existing term part, shima? I don't think you ever expanded on that (which fandom, etc).

Really? Getting "dropped" by this is the natural term to think of, not "suckered", "surprised", or something like that?

I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.

Why are we even voting whether we should rename it? Fast Eddie is the OP, the current name isn't going to stay whatever the result of the crowner. We should be making up alternative names.

@Shima: The Power of Friendship has 1,684 wicks. Does it have 10% misuse?

Anyway, I was just quoting someone paraphrasing Eddie to begin with. We can hang around and wait for him to confirm or deny it.

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