Was Team Plasma sans Ghetsis truly a Stupid Good group of Well-Intentioned Extremists who thought they were doing the right thing à la N, or were some in on Ghetsis's true intentions and merely playing up the facade in order to gain brownie points from the guy when he finished his conquering? The Sages at the very least seem aware, since they slip up occasionally and refer to Ghetsis as their leader (followed by him correcting them that he's one of the Sages and supposedly no more powerful than the rest of them). Similarly, they hint that N's desire to fight the player is interfering with Ghetsis's plans. Then there's the fact that the Shadow Triad is loyal to Ghetsis even after he reveals the truth... The two grunts who kick the Munna early on hint that they were aware that Ghetsis was lying.
N is often interpreted as a tragic, sympathetic Woobie who's shipped with the player characters or a mouth-breathing Stalker with a Crush...who is shipped with the player characters.
Annoying Video Game Helper: Fennel was rather unpopular once the Dream World website launched in North America given how many a user saw her very image saying nicely that they needed to wait a little more until they could enter the site.
Morimoto's team has levels on par with the League Champion, but it consists mostly of the evolutions of early-game Com Mons. It is possible to challenge him before your team is likely to be anywhere near as high-leveled as his own, but still ultimately for disappointing for what's the series' first Creator Cameo battle.
The final battle with N. His legendary dragon can be easily defeated by your own due to Artificial Stupidity (it loves to use its signature move, which you're resistant to and can power up your own dragon's signature move as well), and most of his other Pokémon can be one-shotted with the proper type matchups. Then you face the real Final Boss, who isn't nearly as much of a pushover...
In the Pokemon League rematches, if you're strong enough to get through the Elite Four, the Champion battle is relatively pain-free by comparison.
The message about trying to get along with people whose opinion differs from your own is dropped with all of the subtlety of a sledgehammer. However, considering this day and age, where people constantly hold grudges against others solely based on differing in views (i.e. political parties), it may be a pretty solid Aesop.
Some people really feel like since Karen didn't do a good enough job back in 2000, that N needed to be a lot more Anvilicious about the "Stop Having Fun" Guys who only see Pokémon as tools.
Applicability: The themes and dialogue of the games may show parallels to many real-life issues and debates, beyond (obviously) animal rights.
Audience-Alienating Premise: The decision to only have Unova Pokémon available during the main story was infamous at the time for offending old-school Pokémon fans and turning the games and the Unova Pokémon in to a source of Snark Bait for said fans on various websites. Such a decision has also hurt these games' popularity in the long run among the core fanbase, which is one reason why Pokémon Black 2 and White 2 enjoy a better reputation with said fanbase.
Author's Saving Throw: After four generations of people being really hesistant to use Technical Machines due to being expensive, tedious to grind for in the case of those available as prizes at game corners or battle facilities, or being one of the many that are only available once in a save file, Game Freak finally relented and gave them infinite use like Hidden Machines.
Awesome Moments: Many Pokémon which earlier weren't catchable in wild, now are. You don't have patience (or resources) to grind up that Dratini? Go fish in rippling water at Dragonspiral Tower, it's 1 in 100 for Dragonite, 9 in 100 for Dragonair, 3 in 10 for the rare variant of Basculin and 3 in 5 for Dratini. You plan to use the Fire Stone on something else than Vulpix? Don't worry about it, you can find Ninetales in Abundant Shrine's rustling grass. Yeah, most times it's Audino (which is EXP Cow anyway), but it's bound to appear eventually. This "tradition" carries over to the sequels.
Opelucid City and Route 10, for starters. The Team Plasma battle theme generally rocks, too.
Cold Storage/Twist Mountain, the Surf theme, the Gym Leader theme (especially the Theme Music Powerup when they're down to their last Pokemon), and the Champion battle theme as well.
And then there's N's theme...especially during the Final Battle.
DENNIS and the Village Bridge theme, the first songs in the entire series to have actual singing.
Unlike in other entries in the series, the Elite Four battle music is quite different than the gym leader theme. It's actually dark and cerebral, which is a nice departure from most battle music, and fitting for the more intellectual Elite Four. Even better is the fact that it doesn't change inside the Pokémon Centre, meaning you can listen to it from beginning to end.
Oshawott's family is Love It or Hate It, no point in between. Some people love the otter unconditionally, while others think it has the stupidest character design and lamest evolutions ever.
Serperior, prior to Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire, was popular for its design but infamous for being one of the weakest starters in the entire series, even for in-game purposes. At the time of release of Black and White, this caused the Snivy line's popularity to drop drastically after a brief period of insane memetic popularity.
Aside from the starters, you have Vanillite and Trubbish, who have been the start of many flame wars. These evolutionary lines are the most commonly criticized Pokémon of the fifth generation, and are the go-to examples for people who believe Game Freak is running out of ideas. But you will find just as many people defending them, either because they genuinely like these Pokémon's designs, or they just think the hatred is taken too far.
Cheren. Many feel it's annoying that he shows up after almost every Gym battle to challenge you and is also present for a good half of the game, has a somewhat uninteresting subplot that's full of Wangst, and is touted as being a better trainer than Bianca and potential champion, even though he's terrible at battling.
Bianca is in a similar boat. Many people find her cute and her story of finally being able to go out on her journey by coming to terms with her father to be great characterization. Others think she's obnoxious, is present for far too much in the game, and should just go away and not bother you while you're trying to go about your own journey.
Better Than Canon: Because most of the Unova Pokémon are considered to be Deader Than Disco, some fans feel that Game Mods that expand the games' Pokédex in a similar manner to Pokémon Black 2 and White 2, most famously Pokémon Blaze Black and Pokémon Volt White, help make the games more enjoyable and draw attention away from the "outdated" Pokédex to emphasize the games' strengths.
Burgh is in between two gyms that are fairly difficult, but is easily taken care of.
If you just bring a decent Electric-type to fight Skyla, you've won. Almost everything in the cave just prior to fighting her will sweep her whole team with no effort at all, with the possible exception being Boldore for being a slow Rock-type Pokémon with a Water weakness. Doesn't help that her main Pokémon is doubly weak to Electric.
Brycen's gym is based around the Ice-type, the flat-out worst defensive type in the series, bar none. If your Pokemon are near the 35 that the gym expects of you, a properly-equipped team will demolish it all, Victini or no. Besides, powerful Fire- and Fighting-types are pretty much everywhere in Unova. His signature Pokémon also has an extremely low base defense of 30 which puts it at risk of being knocked out even by Tackle. There is no way anyone programming this could have thought this guy would be a challenge.
Iris or Drayden are really almost too easy for being the last Gym Leaders. Their premier Pokémon's main Attack also forces it to move last, which ignores its own Speed boost granted by Dragon Dance and exacerbates its unimpressive hit-taking ability.
There have been serious debates over the designs of the PCs, whether the starters are awesome or not, and the animations of the sprites. Some people hate the idea of triple battles.
Likewise, the Unfortunate Implications of Lenora's appearance has created a rift between those that feel it's a stereotypical design and those that don't. Discussion on the matter was even (permanently) banned on the Bulbagarden forums.
Also, some don't like the fact that there are no Pokémon from the older generations in the Regional Dex, whereas some think that it is a refreshing idea. Not helping matters is the fact that many fans feel that the Gen V newcomers contain some of the bestnote almost all the Legendary Pokémon have been well-received, Serperior and Samurott are fairly popular as starters especially after Serperior's Hidden Ability was released in ORAS, and many of the more powerful fully-evolved Pokémon such as Haxorus and Bisharp are praised for their designs, movepools and typingsand worstnote Emboar is the third Fire/Fighting starter in a row, the elemental monkeys are seen as a waste of Dex space, and the Trubbish, Klink and Vanillite lines have been infamously criticized concepts in the series.
On the competitive side of things, there has been a backlash over the fact that when battling via Wi-Fi or console link, the opponent's entire team (and their nicknames) are all revealed, without an option to turn this feature off (in the manner of the Pokémon Stadium series). Some see it as a welcome addition to competitive tactics, and others believe that it will ruin the metagame forever. Also serves as a premature nerf to Zoroark, due to its unique ability becoming less effective.
Seasons. They're not real-time-based: Spring is in January, May, and September, summer is February, June, and October, fall is March, July, and November, and winter is in April, August, and December. You can go to places in some seasons that you can't reach in others. Some fans love the idea, but a lot of people aren't wild about seeing snow in August and the fact that you sometimes have to wait months to get certain places. Messing around with the internal clock helps speed this up, but it can still be annoying.
Complacent Gaming Syndrome: Generation 5 is known, sometimes derisively, as the Weather Wars. Abilities that created weather conditions note Drought, Drizzle, Sand Stream, Snow Warning were all buffed to create weather conditions that would last the entirety of the battle unless another weather ability or move was used to counteract it. This led to meta game revolving around building teams to explicitly exploit this feature and otherwise low-tier pokemon like Ninetails, Abomasnow, and Politoed to suddenly become viable.
Deader Than Disco: For all the hype and innovation behind Black and White, they have fallen out of favor on a couple of fronts.
The "new Pokémon only" Pokédex was initially one of the games' biggest selling points, and many of the Unova Pokémon were very popular prior to Generation VI; Zekrom was especially notable for being nearly as popular as older fan-favorites such as Charizard and Mewtwo, even scoring tenth place on an IGN popularity poll. However, the Dex became a common point of derision after the release of Pokémon X and Y. Some fans find it hard to come back to Black and White due to the lack of familiar faces, especially since none of the Unova Pokémon became significant Breakout Characters like Lucario did in Gen IV; furthermore, the Nintendo WFC shutdown makes it more difficult to obtain old Pokémon via trades or hacking.note i.e. before clearing the main story and, for some mons such as the old starters and legendaries and even Pikachu, without owning the required Gen IV game. The story is still widely regarded as the best in the series, but often looked over. It doesn't help that most Unova Pokémon (especially the likes of Hydreigon and Scrafty) are affected in the worst way possible by the updated type chart and game mechanics of Gen VI as well as not getting Mega Evolution with the exception of Audino, further generating more unnecessary hate towards this generation's set of Pokémon as a result.note However, some Pokémon, such as Bisharp and Serperior, became notably better in Gen VI.
At the time, Black and White were praised by core fans for being an innovative, creative soft reboot and evolution of the Pokémon franchise. It was widely speculated at the time that later generations would follow up on it and look up at it as a gold standard, and many fan ideas existed for Unovan equivalents of Pokémon Gold and Silvernote more of a direct analog than the official Pokémon Black 2 and White 2, with new Pokémon in a new region but lots of focus on the Unova Pokémon that would serve as direct sequels to Generation V. However, casual and old-school fans were highly critical of Gen V for locking out most of the older Pokémon, especially Generation I fan-favorites. As a result, Pokémon X and Y heavily emphasized the Kanto Pokémon while only following up on the Unova games in very minor ways, and many fans feel that the series has regressed in terms of uniqueness and innovation in favor of sticking with tradition and appealing to popularity.
The Patrat line. They learn Bide, Detect, Sand-Attack, Hypnosis, Confuse Ray, Super Fang, and Crunch - moves which either annoy your Pokémon or hurt a lot. And they're very common in the wild (especially Watchog). Worst of all, Team Plasma absolutely LOVE to use these things.
The first Watchog you'll be seeing is Lenora's, and it makes her battle a living hell for many players.
Swoobat is an example that's used by Trainers. If they're in the 25-35 range of levels, expect to fall victim to Attract, watch them boost their stats with Calm Mind, and proceed to flinch you time after time with Air Slash. Thankfully, it doesn't appear in the wild.
If you don't have a way of one-shotting them, preferably by a fighting move, Audino can be really hard and annoying to kill midgame, especially with weaker Pokemon. Attract spam, very good defensive stats, Refresh, STAB Doubleslap, Secret Power(which, when used in tall grass, has a chance to put the target to sleep).
Anything with Sturdy, since as of this generation you cannot faint them in one hit when they're at full health and most of them will one-shot your Pokémon back with Selfdestruct or STAB-fueled Stone Edge. It doesn't help that all of them have high attack stats and are everywhere in caves.
Die for Our Ship: Some N x Hilda shippers love to make Cheren and Hilbert Crazy Jealous Guys who may even go as far as to hurt N or Hilda. N x Hilbert fans sometimes cast Hilda as a Jerkass or too masculine for N or Hilbert. Hilbert x Hilda fans occasionally write N as a perverted creeper, outright excluding his sympathetic qualities.
Disappointing Last Level: One of the games' noted weaknesses is the lack of post game content, combined with the Forced Level-Grinding to stand up to wild Pokemon let alone the trainers and going for the title of Champion at the Pokemon League.
Draco in Leather Pants: While N is certainly sympathetic and a well-written Anti-Villain who was a pawn of Ghetsis' plans, many fans treat him as if he's completely innocent, when he was blind to the reality of the world around him and endangered Unova by summoning his dragon.
8.8: A strange variation- many fans complained over Famitsu giving it a perfect score, claiming that they've gone soft over the years and just are biased to the franchise. These complaints cropped up before the games were released anywhere. And then Gamespot gives it a 7.5 while most other publications give it 8.0 plus. Cue the angry mob.
While Ghetsis' appearance does turn off some, his adoptive son N is considered very attractive.
Fandom Rivalry: Generation V has one in general with Generation I. This rivalry started back when Pokémon Black and Pokémon White came out, mostly due to "genwunners"note fans who only like the first (sometimes second) generation of Pokémon and hate later generations on principle trashing the Generation V Pokémon and comparing them unfavorably to their childhood favoritesto near-memetic levels. Later, Pokémon X and Y pacified the "genwunners" by deliberately tapping into their Gen I nostalgia; however, this didn't stop Unova fans from still being bitter towards Gen I and its fanbase in general, which they began to express more vocally due to criticism over XY's game design. Some of the more vocal Gen V fans dislike anything that appeals to old-school fans on principle, such as the aforementioned XY and Pokémon Go, and wish that the franchise would ignore their nostalgia and instead focus on constantly innovating and being fresh like Black and White were at the time. This has also resulted in rivalries between fans of specific games, such as XY vs. Pokémon Black 2 and White 2.
Many Japanese fan artists interpret Hilbert and Hilda as siblings, sometimes even twins. In-game the character you don't choose treats the one you do like a new friend, but that hasn't stopped fans.
Many fans tend to exaggerate just how evil Ghetsis can be; yes, he's certifiably insane and did abuse and manipulate his adopted son for purely selfish reasons, but no, he's never been seen feeding anyone to his Hydreigon with sadistic glee or the like.
Speaking of Hydreigon, it's popular to depict it as The Rival to Tyranitar due to it being a fellow Dark-type pseudo-legendary with a slight resemblance to King Ghidorah, since Tyranitar is a Godzilla homage.
The main character (both the girl and the boy) x N is quite popular, as is shipping the player characters together, especially compared to past main character couples. This may be due to the characters being older this time around, as well as both playable characters being pretty warmly received by the fandom for the first time in a while.
Lenora/Burgh is starting to gain its place in fan art.
And then there are fans who see them as a One True Friendship, since a lot of fans view Burgh as being Ambiguously Gay, and Lenora's Happily Married. note Then again, since when have those stopped shippers?
A variation: Subway Masters Ingo and Emmet are often paired with Litwick/Chandelure and Joltik/Galvantula, respectively, in fanart.
His robes were probably meant to keep with the yin-yang theme of the game, but he ends up looking like Wind Waker's Ganondorf walked through a paintball fight. The chunky red monocle, triangular hair fringes, and his hilariously skinny ankles on display just put the last nails in the design coffin. If not for his big-time Knight of Cerebus nature, nobody would've taken him seriously. The sequels fixed this.
Upon seeing Oshawott for the first time, some people mistook the seashell on its chest for a penis marking. (Long straight shape in the middle, rounded shapes on the sides.) Also, Reshiram sure chose a nice place to grow a wang - WING! I meant wing!
Beartic has a suspicious-looking patch of fur on its crotch area as well, though to be honest, a lot of Pokémon had that same or similar patch of fur on their crotch-area. Blaziken included.
Krookodile's big long nose makes it look like it has a literal dickhead.
Foe Yay: When Hilda is the main character, she goes on the Nimbasa City ferris wheel with N. Then there's his speech about Hilda continuing his dreams at the end.
Scolipede and its Japanese name Pendoraa are derived from Scolopendra, the scientific genus for giant tropical centipedes.
Gigalith is known as the "Compressed" Pokemon. If you know your geology, you'll know that it is based off Metamorphic rock, rocks that have been compressed under extreme heat and pressure and are usually found along with crystals (explaining the crystals on it).
Germans Love David Hasselhoff: While Zekrom's quite popular in Japan (but less so than Reshiram), it's easily the most popular of all Generation V Pokémon in the West thanks to its manlier and more conventionally dragonlike design, with a fanbase that rivaled that of Mewtwo and Charizard at the time. It's also responsible for White selling more English copies than Black. That's not to say Reshiram is unpopular per say, but there's definitely a larger fanbase for Zekrom.
If a Pokémon reaches 1809 or more Speed using Status Buffs, they will ignore Trick Room.
The Sky Drop glitch lets you completely immobilize a Pokémon for an entire match during a Double or Triple Battle by abusing an exploit with the move Gravity. This actually got the move banned from random Wi-Fi and official tournaments.
The move Assist is able to call upon moves known by unhatched eggs.
Kadabra will still evolve into Alakazam if it is traded holding an Everstone, which normally prevents evolution.
At the very beginning of the game, Professor Juniper uses Minccino as an example of what Pokemon are supposed to be. On very rare instances, it is possible for that Minccino to appear as a shiny.
Goddamned Bats: Bide, Hypnosis, Confuse Ray, Super Fang, Mean Look... Patrat and Watchog could single-handedly kill a Nuzlocke run.
The Durant that appear so frequently on Victory Road, either. If you don't have a Fire-type to exploit their one weakness, their high attack/defense powers and speed will cause you some serious trouble.
Not just fire type, any special attack can simply defeat Durant.
Tympole, at the entrance to Pinwheel Forest. They can be a real pain to fight, what with their high speed, ability to hit hard with Bubblebeam, and Supersonic.
Boldore and Roggenrola. They appear as frequently as the Gravelers and Geodudes you're used to seeing in every single cave, but they're even worse because of the new mechanics for the Sturdy ability, which prevent you from killing them in one hit. Effectively, every Boldore and Roggenrola you meet is holding a Focus Sash, forcing you to waste more time and PP dealing a second hit, and giving them a turn to fight back and hurt you.
In Pokémon Red and Blue, a female trainer in Rock Tunnel wished she could have a pink Pokémon with a floral pattern. Now, in Gen V, she's finally gotten her wish in the form of Munna! With the number of abandoned and eventually reused Pokémon designs, it could have been an injoke.
A scientist in Devon Corp. back in Ruby and Sapphire stated "I'm trying to develop a device that visually reproduces the dreams of POKÉMON... but it's not going well." Munna's evolution, Musharna, can release "Dream Smoke", a materialization of the dreams it has eaten. With it, Fennel created a device that lets you "sync" your Pokémon with the official website and do minigames and such with it, and catch special Pokémon.
The ending a villain is the final boss instead of a proper champion. Robopon did that years earlier, in the first game in its series.
In Super Smash Bros. Brawl, the Pokémon trainer's final smash was Triple Finish. The generation after Brawl introduced Triple Battles. Combination attacks were added, too, but only between two Pokémon at a time, and the results are supporting field effects rather than flashy Limit Breaks.
Shoko Nakagawa, an actress who has played many side roles in the movies and is one of the hosts of Pokémon Sunday/Get TV, is also the artist behind Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann's opening theme. Come three years after TTGL ended and a while before Reshiram and Zekrom's typings were officially revealed, she accidentally blurted out her desire to catch Zekrom because she loves Electric-types. Keep in mind that Zekrom's tail engine highly resembles a drill.
N also takes the character on the Ferris wheel... Even when you're Hilbert.
Fennel and Juniper don't even share a lab while at work (Fennel's work is primarily done in Striaton City), but this hardly stops the fans from interpreting the two this way. To be fair, though, when Fennel was first revealed, all that was known was that she was "Professor Juniper's Assistant," and once that allowed for certain implications, the idea of Juniper/Fennel took off.
Lots of fans likes to pair Elesa with Skyla in a rather suggestive manner, despite the two girls not even sharing a word with each other in the game (except for the fanservice part.)
There's also Cynthia hanging out with every important female Pokemon League official at her villa, and Iris being Bianca's "bodyguard".
In turn, Bianca being Professor Juniper's "bodyguard".
One of the female swimmers in Undella Bay asks if you've come to see Cynthia wearing a bathing suit. Yes, if you're playing as Hilda.
After beating Cynthia, she'll talk for several text boxes, finishing by saying that travelling has improved her life because, "[she] met you and [her] world became wider."
In the battle subway, one trainer you can fight (Lady Won), says you look gorgeous at the beginning of the battle. If you defeat her, she says that she "feels drawn to you". The same interactions happen if you play as Hilda.
Hype Backlash: Even before the game was released in English, some fans were already complaining about the hype. The perfect 40 score in Famitsu didn't help matters.
Internet Backdraft: Long before the game was released, debate raged over whether Unova was based on Manhattan, Shanghai, Hong Kong, perhaps Aomori, or somewhere else. Also, discussion on the Unfortunate Implications of Lenora's appearance, as well as the starters' final evolutions.
Some blogs continued to point out that it might have been China, such as saying that Braviary was probably based off of chinese kites and that Iris was a stereotypical chinese. When this was Jossed, it was removed - said blog(s) had a policy of "Don't go with popular theories until Word of God confirms them".
Incest Yay Shipping: Oddly enough, shipping the Striaton brothers seems to be rather popular. There's no real Incest Subtext in the games between them, but since when has that ever stopped shippers?
Ghetsis and N. It's a lot more common than you think. It also depends on whether you believe they're related or not.
It's Hard, so It Sucks: Some difficulty factors can make the main game unbearably difficult. Particularly, the rigged experience point scaling makes matching levels with the gym leaders unfeasible in some circumstances. note Note that Audino doesn't appear before obtaining the first badge (where Gen V's level scaling is at its worst), finding Audino is not always reliable for everyone, and said Audino can become a Demonic Spider. Also note that the later the generation of the main games, the more likely wild Pokemon will be Demonic Spiders in general due to newly introduced moves and abilities. This would not be bad, but add two things, and it becomes complicated: a) There are only 130-40 Pokemon available before the Elite Four in this particular series, and that they tend to have shallow movepools; and b) Said selections of Pokémon in this generation tend to be either really frail, or really slow. For people who returned to Pokémon via XY, and started playing BW out of curiosity, an additional complication was the announcement of the DS Wi-Fi shutdown in March 2014, forcing some people to finish the game/Pokedex within 2-3 months before the shutdown in May in the same year, further adding the stress.
It's the Same, Now It Sucks: The Fire-type starter's evolutions were revealed to be Fire/Fighting types. Just like the last twogenerations. Some fans got pissed, due to perceived laziness on the part of Game Freak. There are plenty of people complaining about the other starters being respectively pure Grass- and Water-type as well, but it's generally not seen as bad as giving the Fire starter the same secondary type three times in a row.
Klink's evolution line can also apply to this, due to each evolution stage essentially consists of adding an extra gear part onto Klink.
It Was His Sled: N is a Team Plasma member and Ghetsis' son. And Ghetsis is Team Plasma's true leader and doesn't truly care about liberating Pokemon from humans - he just wants to disarm all trainers in Unova so that only he and Team Plasma can use Pokemon.
In a variation of Enjoy the Story, Skip the Game, Pokémon Black and Pokémon White are still agreed to have the best story in the series, even well into Generation VI. Additionally, many of the human characters continue to be very popular with the core fandom, especially the player characters themselves for having cool andattractive designs, and N for being one of the most likable and well-developed characters in the series. Some people come back to the games for the story and characters alone, or at least Game Mods such as Pokémon Blaze Black and Pokémon Volt White that address other complaints about the games.
Love to Hate: Ghetsis, big-time. So much so that, back when the games came out in Japan, tropers on this very wiki were quick to label him as a Complete Monster, and much of the backlash over Complete Monster getting a stricter definition is that he ceased to qualify.note The current definition for Moral Event Horizon is pretty close to what used to be classified as a Complete Monster - and Ghetsis definitely qualifies for that trope. This helped drive much of the hype for his character due to the trope's implications in contrast to the family-friendly nature of the Pokémon franchise itself, with various websites and blogs picking up on his (former) status as one.
Oshawott's evolutions, especially Samurott, are this.
Genesect. Thanks to its possible name origin (genocide + insect), as well as its classification as the Paleozoic Pokémon, it's been theorized that it caused the extinction of the dinosaurs. And it snowballed from there.
Braviary, A TRUE AMERICAN EAGLE.
Zekrom. Fans often consider it to be the singular most badass entity in all of Unova.
Terrakion also gets this treatment, for its design, its stats and its curbstomping tendencies in both the games and TCG. Smogon even labeled it the manliest Pokémon in Black and White.
Victini. If you have him in your team, you automatically win every battle (supposedly).
Memetic Mutation: Tons of it. Zoroark, the female Player Character, the starters, and Castelia City all became memes within days.
Misaimed Fandom: Guess who was popular with PETA? Clearly the fact that Team Plasma's real leader had no real intention of freeing/liberating pokemon and was using that as a front for his own selfish ends flew way over their heads.
No, sorry, Ken Sugimori didn't design every single Pokémon - Some, like Vanilluxe's line, Golurk's line, and the pre-evolution of Mandibuzz (the vulture type) were actually designed by NoA employee James Turner.
The traditional "This series sucks, why do people still like this?" threads are up. Pokémon has been around since the 1990s - we knew what happened in the games since before they were released outside of Japan thanks to the internet. And yet people still are pointing fingers at Nintendo, one of the publishers, for stuff that is clearly out of their hands. Poor Game Freak - they saved the Game Boy and still have received no credit outside of Japan.
Long before Red and Blue even started, considering N's age (he looks to be at the very least 15), and the amount of time between those games and Black and White is a mere 7 or 8 years. And who knows how long Team Plasma was alive before N was crowned.
There's actually more to it than just that. Read the spoilers if you're prepared for the horror - Ghetsis knew a self-centered man like him could never be the hero of legend, so he raised his own son N specifically to fit the qualifications needed to be the hero and to be the key pawn in his master plan. He kept N locked up in a room filled with toys for years in order to stunt his emotional growth, and had Anthea and Concordia frequently tend to him so that his innocence and purity could be preserved. He himself told N that Team Plasma was fighting to liberate Pokemon from their captivity and oppression at the hands of humans, and even provided abused Pokemon for N as playmates. Ghetsis' own minions had abused the Pokemon and since N could hear their thoughts and feel their pain, he came to believe that all humans hurt Pokemon and that all Pokemon long to be far away from humans. After N had come of age and was crowned Team Plasma's king, Ghetsis began his crusade to capture the hearts and minds of the trainer population, the grand crescendo of which would come when N, using Reshiram or Zekrom, could defeat the Champion and allow Team Plasma to take over the league. N would then issue a command to every human in the Unova region to release all their Pokemon or risk the region's destruction again. In reverence of the hero and the belief that his way is the truth or ideal ("having Pokemon will be considered a bad thing" as Ghetsis puts it), the trainers would release all their Pokemon...which would leave Ghetsis and his select followers as the only ones with Pokemon that they're able to use. After N's purpose had been served, Ghetsis would throw him away and take Reshiram/Zekrom for himself, and then with his personal Pokemon army headed by the legendary Pokemon of the hero, would go to war with all other regions and repeat the process so that more region's worth of Pokemon get added to his forces. The more Pokemon, the more power, and with enough power, Ghetsis could take over the entire world, bringing about a Dystopian new world order in which he, as the ruler who is the only one allowed to have and use Pokemon, has unlimited influence, privilege, and control over everything that lives and is free to oppress and suppress everyone by using threat of force via his supepowered mons. And the reason for all this? He felt entitled to it. Such a depraved goal with equally depraved methods of reaching it gives Ghetsis a claim to living far over the line on the Moral Event Horizon.
These games and their sequels are infamous for introducing the garbage, gear and ice cream Pokemon, despite other generations are also guilty of this and this generation also have their own share of cool designs. Some detractors even insist that the entire Unova dex is consisted by only them.
Emboar's status as the third Fire/Fighting starter in a row. To a lesser extent, all three starters collectively forming the least powerful set of starters across all five (now six) generations, even beating Johto's. In Smogon's metagame, all three of them were in the NU tier to begin with, with Emboar only rising to a higher tier due to a player abusing a loophole in their tiering system, and Serperior only rose to OU with its Hidden Ability five years after its debut and well after BW hype died down.
This generation made Pikachu more infamous for being the franchise's main Spotlight-Stealing Squad. While Pikachu and its evolutionary line are unobtainable in Black and White, the Pokémon franchise outside the games continued to market it heavily. This was especially jarring for some due to the fact that it was the only old Pokémon in said marketingnote aside from Meowth in the anime, yet was often the most prominent, making its appearances seem forced.
No Yay: Ghetsis and most of the other characters. Except perhaps his own Hydreigon. (Yes, it exists)...
Older Than They Think: It's often said that these were the first games to include Team Preview for competitive play. Team Preview has in fact been around in every console battler since the original Pokémon Stadium, and was used for nearly every official tournament since then.
Paranoia Fuel: The main plot becomes this when you consider how it would look from N's perspective.
N informing you that the Shadow Triad has been spying on you and your friends when you meet him in Chargestone Cave can be pretty paranoia-inducing as well.
Play the Game, Skip the Story: The plot is more prominent in these games than in others, but that doesn't stop some fans from viewing it as such and only getting in the way of the gameplay.
Replacement Scrappy: Many people saw Iris as this, seeing as she would star in the anime instead of the playable female from the games. Rescued from the Scrappy Heap might take effect, however, as she has been confirmed to be the White version's final Gym Leader, training Dragon-Types. And again, as the Black and White season of the anime began to draw tons of fan criticism, thus making many fans indifferent to whether Hilda would have appeared or not (some were even glad that she didn't appear).
Many new Pokemon felt this way. Those who weren't killed by overdoses of Zubats, Geodudes, Machops, and Tentacool before (or just liked them for their venerability in the franchise) were frustrated when Woobats, Roggenrola, Timburr, and Frillish took over. It doesn't help that they feel like updated releases of the old families replaced.
Emboar is often considered a lackluster replacement for the Fire-type starters that came before it (Charizard, Typhlosion, Blaziken and Infernape), mostly due to its uninspired Fire/Fighting typing, poor competitive worth and overly brutish design. The next Fire-type starters, Delphox and Incineroar, were also divisive but went over much better for having sleeker designs and not being Fire/Fighting (although Incineroar got some flak for having the look and feel of a Fire/Fighting type, particularly Emboar itself).
This is part of the backlash against Zorua and Zoroark; they were promoted in such a way that they were obviously meant to emulate the success of Lucario, but their event-exclusivity and gimmicky ability were taken as Jump the Shark moments for how Game Freak and Nintendo promoted the new "badass" face of Pokemon. This has since been scaled back, as Game Freak seems to have realized that Lucario is a Tough Act to Follow and stopped promoting Zoroark in the same way.
The ability Sturdy was changed from "immune to Fissure, Sheer Cold, etc." (mostly useless) to "can't be KO'd at 100% health"/"built-in Focus Sash" (which is incredible) AND "immune to Fissure, Sheer Cold, etc"; what's even better is that there are very few counters for it unless your opponent has Mold Breaker.
Bug type. In previous generations "new Bug type pokemon" usually meant "A bunch of earlygame bugs, usually early evolving as well, whose stats just plain suck. Also, half of them is Bug/Flying, a typing with some very unfortunate weaknesses (rocks, fire, ice, and electricity being standouts), another half is Bug/Poison" The only ones that are at least playable were Scyther/Scizor, Nincada family, Heracross and Pineco/Forretress. Prior to generation IV, the fact that Bug just sucks was also supported by them having no attacks. What did Black and White do? They introduced eighteen bugs. All of them with great stats. Not a single one evolves early. Around half of them have new typings. Three of them are Bug/Steel (only one weakness). Scolipede is able to learn freaking Earthquake and Rock Slide. Galvantula gets a STAB Thunder with much better accuracy thanks to Compoundeyes. Durant has crazy-awesome attack power with its Hustle ability, albeit with a little less accuracy, and it gets even better with Hone Claws, which boosts Attack and Accuracy. And it, too, can learn Rock Slide. Escavalier is a defensive powerhouse that can absorb blows and hit like a train, while Accelgor is a blisteringly fast special attacker with great offensive stats. Even Leavanny, in spite of its poor defensive typing, can easily clobber a wide variety of foes with moves like Leaf Blade and X-Scissor, and also packs a quadruple resistance to Earthquake. Volcarona has the awesome Quiver Dance and a solid Base 80 signature move which has a pretty good chance of boosting its Special Attack. Volcarona is really close to being a legendary, seeing as there's one in the whole game sitting in a tower at level 70, like all legendaries do. And that's a shame, because the title of the first legendary Bug-type in the series goes to Genesect, also introduced in this generation. "Bug trainer" is no longer a stigma.
As an extra example: the Champion of the Pokemon League has three Bug-type Pokemon. The most powerful trainer in the land has Bug-types as half his team.
And that doesn't count some of the previous generation bugs - Butterfree, Beautifly, Masquerian, Venomoth and Dustox all got the amazing Quiver Dance, which boosts Special Attack, Special Defense and Speed. Masquerian and Venomoth also have Baton Pass to deliver potentially game-breaking Quiver Dance bonuses to their allies.
Venusaur was overshadowed by Charizard and Blastoise for having a "less cool design." Generation V gave it a massive buff in the form of Chlorophyll, and thanks to that, Venusaur emerged as the strongest of the original three starters (and one of the strongest starters period) in the competitive scene. This won the Bulbasaur line some long deserved love... until the next generation, where Venusaur's sun-sweeping potential was Nerfed, but all three starters gained useful and powerful Mega Evolutions, putting them on a roughly equal playing field and rescuing them all from the Tier-Induced Scrappy Heap.
Ron the Death Eater: Bianca's father is quite clearly an overprotective worrywart who fears for her safety away from home, but a lot of fans love to twist him as an abusive asshole in various fanfics.
The Scrappy: Despite the praise that these games got, they are notable for introducing a large amount of Pokémon whose designs were either dismissed or disliked by the fanbase.
Oshawott's design has made it the subject of regular bashing since day one, but it became The Woobie almost immediately in backlash. First Broken Base around the game!
Zorua and Zoroark have come under increasing fire as well, due in no small part to the fact that both of them are event-only Pokémon.
They are event-only by proxy, at least — you must have a Celebi (itself an event-only Pokémon as well) in your party to get your Zorua in the game.
Basculin for having an abysmal design and being the ONLY thing you can find on rippling fresh water routes, since fishing rods are off-limits till post-game. They are not that good either in battles.
Pansage already wasn't popular because it was yet another monkey-based Pokémon, but since Panpour and Pansear made an underground monkey of him, Panpour and Pansear, the results aren't pretty. While their evolutions are very different from each other, many people went on to deposit their monkey after the first gym, as they found their evolutions weak, still leading to this trope. In the 2016 popularity poll, Simisear scored dead last out of all 720 Pokémon available in the games at that time.
The evolved forms of Tepig are yet another Fire/Fighting starter. Emboar remains one of the most disliked starters in the series, even well into Gen VI, and is often used as a punchline for Fire-type starters from later generations evolving into Fire/Fighting types. Some people argue that Emboar's typing is so blatantly lazy that it ruined the reputations of the Unova starters, or even the Unova Pokédex, as a whole. Awkward Zombiehad a field day with that.
The Kami trio have gotten some SERIOUS hate for how similar their sprites are. Their bodies and postures are exactly the same, with the only differences being color, tail and mustache.
Another example of getting redeemed by Black 2 & White 2 - their new forms have been pretty well-received. Their original forms still get some flak, however.
If people are talking about Gen V Pokémon they hate, Trubbish, Garbodor, and the Vanillite family are likely to come up.
Funnily enough, at least a few people have been convinced otherwise of Garbodor once it appeared in the anime, under Poison-type Gym Leader Roxie, thanks to the anime giving it the ability to stretch its arms like whips. For the rest, at least their opinion isn't any worse than it was before.
Since the Global Link was opened, people have been getting mad at Fennel if they can't access the Dream World, thanks to her taunting expression◊.
Audino, due to being so common in the shaking grass patches where there are possibilities of much rarer Pokemon. They tend to make up for it by being Metal Slimes, but it can be pretty aggravating when you just want to catch a damn Emolga. Though the sequels does have a variety in those grasses, including more than just the standard Audino, Emolga and the elemental monkeys.
Scrappy Mechanic: Many decisions Game Freak made for this generation are questionable.
The XP gain is proportional to the level difference between mons so a low level beating on a higher one will gain more XP but this also means a higher level beating on a lower level will gain less making leveling your mons once you've outleveled everything else difficult.
Hey, remember how auto-leveling worked in player vs player battles before Gen V (At least in Gens III and IV)? Being able to have a team of 6 automatically be raised to level 100 or raised/lowered to level 50 was very convenient. In Gen V, the only leveling option you have is the Flat Battle ruleset, which has many of the same restrictions as a battle facility: All Pokemon are dropped to level 50, no more than one of the same Pokemon nor item, and only 3 ans 4 Pokemon can be used in single and double battles, respectively. The only other option available allows you to turn the Wonder Launcher on/off. Also, unlike battle facilities, Pokemon beneath level 50 do not have their levels raised. Combined with the afforementioned mechanic, this means a lot of grinding if you want have a 6 on 6 battle with no restrictions where everything is at an equal level.
Most berries can only be obtained via NPCs that hand them out or in the now-defunct Dream World. It's impossible to grow berries in the actual game anymore, and it's ridiculously hard to obtain most of the few varieties available in-game.
The highly-useful menu interface on the touch screen in HeartGold and SoulSilver was replaced by the C-Gear, which, while excellent for multiplayer, was utterly useless in single-player and for people with no friends nearby who had the game. While the C-Gear was active, it continuously used the DS's wireless functions, draining the battery, and it was active by default. Whenever you booted up the game, it prompted you to turn on the C-Gear, and you had to confirm a second time if you wanted to keep it deactivated.
Many good Unova Pokemon evolve very late in the games when there is no legit reason for, which doesn't help their rather weak base forms. Coupled with the new EXP gain system, raising Pokemon in these games is chore at best and hellish at worst.
While generally not a major problem, Fishing Rods are not available for the player until the post-game. This is made worse that unlike the Gen IV games not even the Good Rod is in these games and Water-types in Unova are very limited just like how Fire and Electric types are scarce in both Hoenn and Sinnoh. To put simply, fans of aquatic Pokemon are not pleased at this decision.
Seinfeld Is Unfunny: These games were largely responsible for rekindling interest in the Pokémon franchise at the time, and were potentially considered the best games in the series overall. Several years later, they've largely fallen by the wayside and are among the less popular main series games; the Unova Pokémon are no longer as loved and hyped as they once were and didn't get a playable character in Super Smash Bros. to ensure their longevity, while Pokémon X and Y and especially Pokémon Go were able to Win Back the Crowd on an even larger scale. The sequels Pokémon Black 2 and White 2 are still very popular with the core fandom,note with their inclusion of older Pokémon and more expansive postgame being major advantages over their predecessors, but one would be hard-pressed to find fans as fond of the original Black and White in 2016 as they were in 2010-2011. Of note is the fact that, unlike with most other games from Generations IV and V (even their own sequels),note except for Pokémon Diamond and Pokémon PearlPokémon Black and Pokémon White have not become more expensive and sought-after on the secondary market.
Strawman Has a Point: Team Plasma may be hypocritical (and in some cases, dishonest) about their desire to free Pokémon from humans, but the fact remains that Pokemon battles would be a serious case of animal cruelty in a more realistic setting. Furthermore, most sympathetic characters say that Team Plasma is wrong, but Drayden is the only one with a strong counterargument: if Pokémon ever wanted to leave humans, they would.
That One Boss: Lenora, mainly because her Watchog will absolutely rip your Pokemon to shreds with its powerful Retaliate.
Elesa as well, thanks to her irritating Emolgas who ignore Ground attacks, are irritatingly prone to paralyzing your Pokemon, and will constantly swap places in and out of battle with her hard-hitting speedster of a Zebstrika.
Rounding out the Gym Leader trio is Clay, whose Excadrill will annhilate your entire team at once thanks to his ludicrously powerful Excadrill's Hone Claws move, which boosts its attack by a considerable amount.
But Ghetsis just might be the worst of the bunch: his entire team is full of dangerous and powerful Pokemon, but his infamous underleveled Hydreigon has ridiculously good stats and a wide and diverse movepool that has an answer for just about anything you throw at him. It's not common to have your entire team single-handedly wiped out by this thing even if his others don't put up much of a fight.
The Wifi/Competitive play mechanics. There are significant changes to Player vs Player gameplay, including the inability to do IV battles, and the now dominant type being 3v3 instead of 6v6, alongside the ability to preview your opponent's team. The competitive battle circles are having a fit about this, as it throws a wrench into the min-maxing dynamic created over the past 4 generations. Interestingly, a good number of these changes appear to be done specifically to break up the existing Metagame.
Competitive players (like Smogon) were not pleased with Rotom-A losing their Ghost typing (as it can no longer prevent Rapid Spin from working.)
They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot: N's navelgazing about the relationship between Pokémon and humans would provoke a good deal of analysis about the sentience and free will of Pokémon, as well as how it could possibly be symbiotic when humans depend on Pokémon for everything from construction work to conflict resolution. Shame that the franchise is built up on cutesy animals blindly following your every command to win. Even more of a shame that N is in the wrong due to being specifically raised to believe that philosophy.
Generation V introduced triple battles, and also had a trio of brothers serving as co-Gym Leaders. Unlike Tate and Liza, who were introduced in the same generation as double battles, you never get the chance to fight all three at once, not even in the sequels.
Several fans pointed to early screenshots of the male trainer and, based on his sprites, speculated about there being two female player characters to choose from, while wondering when a male trainer would show up. (To give the viewers credit, these were low-quality screenshots from a magazine scan.)
Cheren◊ looks enough like a short-haired girl to be mistaken for a bifauxnen before the games' release. Doesn't help that the shirt under his coat looks exactly like Whitney's.
There's also Burgh, the Camp gym leader of Castelia City.
N introduces the Shadow Triad as men, but that hasn't stopped the fans from questioning their gender, especially since it is only addressed once. In Pokémon Special, they look like masked versions of Mello. Not helping. At all. Fixed in the sequels, where they have more masculine sprites and one of them speaks with an identifiably male voice in the animated trailer.
According to its Pokédex entries, Yamask's gold mask is its face from its time as a human thousands of years ago before turning into a mummy, and it still has memories from those times. It occasionally stares at the mask, sobbing.
Believe it or not, Kyurem. Since it's frozen, everyone is afraid of it, and it can't even use its powers to their full potential, Kyurem fans decide that it needs a hug. Confirmed in the sequels. The legend about Kyurem eating people is said to be untrue, and Kyurem is indeed made to suffer hard at Team Plasma's hands.
Bianca. As if having self-esteem issues, an Overprotective Dad (at first), and getting the short end of the stick starter-wise wasn't bad enough, she enters her third battle with you feeling confident and sure that she'll do well, only to lose all heart (she even says she won't ever be as good as you or Cheren) when you end up defeating her. Yeah, that's right - the game makes youBreak the Cutie in order to continue. I'd say that's worth a cuddle. And if it's still not enough, she got her Munna stolen by Team Plasma.
N - his father could give Cipher a run for its money in sheer callousness. That's grounds for a hug right there. And Concordia's words just make it even sadder: "N's heart is pure and innocent. But there is nothing more beautiful and terrifying than innocence." He's also a Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds.
Audino. It's a sweet, kind healer Pokemon that'll even heal your 'mon during battles, and players go out of their way to beat it up for easy EXP.