History YMMV / PokemonBlackAndWhite

15th Aug '16 8:27:46 PM Darthrai
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* DeaderThanDisco: The "new Pokémon only" Pokédex was initially one of the games' biggest selling points, and many of the Unova Pokémon were very popular prior to Generation VI; Zekrom was especially notable for being nearly as popular as older fan-favorites such as Charizard and Mewtwo, even scoring tenth place on an IGN popularity poll. However, the Dex became a common point of derision after the release of ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY''. Some fans find it hard to come back to ''Black'' and'' White'' due to the lack of familiar faces, especially since none of the Unova Pokémon became significant {{Breakout Character}}s like Lucario did in Gen IV; furthermore, the Nintendo WFC shutdown makes it more difficult to obtain old Pokémon via trades or hacking.[[note]]i.e. before clearing the main story and, for some mons such as the old starters and legendaries and even [[SeriesMascot Pikachu]], without owning the required Gen IV game.[[/note]] The story is still widely regarded as the best in the series, but [[PlayTheGameSkipTheStory often looked over]]. It doesn't help that most Unova Pokémon (especially the likes of Hydreigon and Scrafty) are [[{{Nerf}} affected]] in [[TierInducedScrappy the worst way possible]] by the updated type chart and game mechanics of Gen VI as well as not getting Mega Evolution with the exception of [[TierInducedScrappy Audino]], further generating more unnecessary hate towards this generation's set of Pokémon as a result.[[note]]However, some Pokémon, such as Bisharp and Serperior, became notably better in Gen VI.[[/note]]

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* DeaderThanDisco: For all the hype and innovation behind ''Black'' and ''White'', they have fallen out of favor on a couple of fronts.
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The "new Pokémon only" Pokédex was initially one of the games' biggest selling points, and many of the Unova Pokémon were very popular prior to Generation VI; Zekrom was especially notable for being nearly as popular as older fan-favorites such as Charizard and Mewtwo, even scoring tenth place on an IGN popularity poll. However, the Dex became a common point of derision after the release of ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY''. Some fans find it hard to come back to ''Black'' and'' White'' due to the lack of familiar faces, especially since none of the Unova Pokémon became significant {{Breakout Character}}s like Lucario did in Gen IV; furthermore, the Nintendo WFC shutdown makes it more difficult to obtain old Pokémon via trades or hacking.[[note]]i.e. before clearing the main story and, for some mons such as the old starters and legendaries and even [[SeriesMascot Pikachu]], without owning the required Gen IV game.[[/note]] The story is still widely regarded as the best in the series, but [[PlayTheGameSkipTheStory often looked over]]. It doesn't help that most Unova Pokémon (especially the likes of Hydreigon and Scrafty) are [[{{Nerf}} affected]] in [[TierInducedScrappy the worst way possible]] by the updated type chart and game mechanics of Gen VI as well as not getting Mega Evolution with the exception of [[TierInducedScrappy Audino]], further generating more unnecessary hate towards this generation's set of Pokémon as a result.[[note]]However, some Pokémon, such as Bisharp and Serperior, became notably better in Gen VI.[[/note]][[/note]]
** At the time, ''Black'' and ''White'' were praised by core fans for being an innovative, creative soft reboot and evolution of the ''Pokémon'' franchise. It was widely speculated at the time that later generations would follow up on it and look up at it as a gold standard, and many fan ideas existed for Unovan equivalents of ''VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver''[[note]]more of a direct analog than the official ''VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2'', with new Pokémon in a new region but lots of focus on the Unova Pokémon[[/note]] that would serve as direct sequels to Generation V. However, casual and old-school fans were highly critical of Gen V for locking out most of the older Pokémon, especially Generation I fan-favorites. As a result, ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'' heavily emphasized the Kanto Pokémon while only following up on the Unova games in very minor ways, and many fans feel that the series has regressed in terms of uniqueness and innovation in favor of sticking with tradition and appealing to popularity.
13th Aug '16 10:07:28 AM nombretomado
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* CrossoverShip:There are a few Hilda fans on DeviantArt who ship her with the Normal Card girl [[GirlyGirl Shizuku Osaka]] from ''VideoGame/LoveLiveSchoolIdolFestival''.

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* CrossoverShip:There are a few Hilda fans on DeviantArt Website/DeviantArt who ship her with the Normal Card girl [[GirlyGirl Shizuku Osaka]] from ''VideoGame/LoveLiveSchoolIdolFestival''.
12th Aug '16 12:34:56 PM Psi001
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* NightmareRetardant: [[{{Mondegreen}} Mishearing]] the [[OminousLatinChanting Ominous Chanting]] in [[spoiler: Ghetsis's]] battle theme turns perhaps the Biggest Bad in the series to date into "DEEEEEENNIS".

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* NightmareRetardant: NightmareRetardant:
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[[{{Mondegreen}} Mishearing]] the [[OminousLatinChanting Ominous Chanting]] in [[spoiler: Ghetsis's]] battle theme turns perhaps the Biggest Bad in the series to date into "DEEEEEENNIS"."DEEEEEENNIS".
** Galvantula is essentially the Pokemon equivalent of a dog-sized tarantula spider, that creates electric silk to stun it's prey as it happily eats them alive. This beast is surely set to be the bane of arachnophobic gamers...[[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:596Galvantula.png Awwwww]].
7th Aug '16 12:24:00 PM Darthrai
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*** There are a few people on the internet who portray N in a far less positive light in their crossover headcanons, with him being [[Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog Dr Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik]]'s nephew from another dimension, who is also an unstoppable force that, along with his Tao Dragon, has the potential to destroy Sonic and his friends, as well as their planet of origin, once and for all to bring the Eggman Empire to fruition, similar to Dr. Albert Wily's plans for Zero in the ''[[{{Fanon}} Megaman Cataclysm Theory]]''.



** Everyone knows that Sonic from the ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'' games is a nomadic wanderer that is always looking for the next adventure. [[WalkingTheEarth Guess what happens]] to Hilda and by extension, Hilbert in the [[VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite2 sequel]]?
5th Aug '16 10:44:10 AM Darthrai
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** Speaking of Hydreigon, it's popular to depict it as TheRival to Tyranitar due to it being a fellow Dark-type pseudo-legendary with a slight resemblance to King Ghidorah, since Tyranitar is a Franchise/{{Godzilla}} homage.
28th Jul '16 7:48:14 PM Sonicfan9988
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*** There are a few people on the internet who portray N in a far less positive light in their crossover headcanons, with him being [[Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog Dr Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik]]'s nephew from another dimension, who is also an unstoppable force that, along with his Tao Dragon, has the potential to destroy Sonic and his friends, as well as their planet of origin, once and for all to bring the Eggman Empire to fruition, similar to Dr. Albert Wily's plans for Zero in the ''[[{{Fanon}} Megaman Cataclysm Theory]]''.
28th Jul '16 3:24:41 PM Monolaf317
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** Believe it or not, Ghetsis. Sure he's utterly twisted and evil- but still good-looking. If it wasn't for those ridiculous clothes, he'd be second to [[Anime/{{Monster}} Johan Liebert]] as the [[EvilIsSexy sexiest contender]] for "most evil person in history." He's already won awards for [[MrFanservice most handsome]] {{abusive|Parents}} father.

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** Believe it or not, Ghetsis. Sure he's utterly twisted and evil- but still good-looking. If it wasn't for those ridiculous clothes, he'd be second to [[Anime/{{Monster}} Johan Liebert]] as the [[EvilIsSexy sexiest contender]] for "most evil person in history." He's already won awards for [[MrFanservice most handsome]] {{abusive|Parents}} father.father, beating [[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion Gendo Ikari.]]
28th Jul '16 2:50:48 PM Darthrai
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* FandomRivalry: Generation V has one in general with [[VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue Generation I]]. This rivalry started back when ''Pokémon Black'' and ''Pokémon White'' came out, mostly due to "genwunners"[[note]]fans who only like the first (sometimes second) generation of Pokémon and hate later generations on principle[[/note]] trashing the Generation V Pokémon and [[NostalgiaFilter comparing them unfavorably to their childhood favorites]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UO5jJ7ICYtc to near-memetic levels]]. Later, ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'' pacified the "genwunners" by [[PanderingTotheBase deliberately tapping into their Gen I nostalgia]]; however, this didn't stop Unova fans from still being bitter towards Gen I and "genwunners" in general. Some of the more vocal Gen V fans dislike anything that appeals to old-school fans on principle, such as the aforementioned ''XY'' and ''VideoGame/PokemonGo'', and wish that the franchise would ignore their nostalgia and instead focus on constantly innovating and being fresh like ''Black'' and ''White'' were at the time. This has also resulted in rivalries between fans of specific games, such as ''XY'' vs. ''VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2''.

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* FandomRivalry: Generation V has one in general with [[VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue Generation I]]. This rivalry started back when ''Pokémon Black'' and ''Pokémon White'' came out, mostly due to "genwunners"[[note]]fans who only like the first (sometimes second) generation of Pokémon and hate later generations on principle[[/note]] trashing the Generation V Pokémon and [[NostalgiaFilter comparing them unfavorably to their childhood favorites]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UO5jJ7ICYtc to near-memetic levels]]. Later, ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'' pacified the "genwunners" by [[PanderingTotheBase deliberately tapping into their Gen I nostalgia]]; however, this didn't stop Unova fans from still being bitter towards Gen I and "genwunners" its fanbase in general.general, which they began to express more vocally due to criticism over ''XY''[='s=] game design. Some of the more vocal Gen V fans dislike anything that appeals to old-school fans on principle, such as the aforementioned ''XY'' and ''VideoGame/PokemonGo'', and wish that the franchise would ignore their nostalgia and instead focus on constantly innovating and being fresh like ''Black'' and ''White'' were at the time. This has also resulted in rivalries between fans of specific games, such as ''XY'' vs. ''VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2''.
28th Jul '16 2:49:24 PM Darthrai
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* FandomRivalry: Generation V has one in general with [[VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue Generation I]]. This rivalry started back when ''Pokémon Black'' and ''Pokémon White'' came out, mostly due to "genwunners"[[note]]fans who only like the first (sometimes second) generation of Pokémon and hate later generations on principle[[/note]] trashing the Generation V Pokémon and [[NostalgiaFilter comparing them unfavorably to their childhood favorites]]. Later, ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'' pacified the "genwunners" by PanderingToTheBase and deliberately tapping into their Gen I nostalgia. However, this didn't stop Unova fans from still being bitter towards Gen I and "genwunners" in general; some of the more vocal fans of Gen V dislike anything that appeals to fans of the original 151 on principle, such as the aforementioned ''XY'' and ''VideoGame/PokemonGo'', and wish that the franchise would ignore their nostalgia and instead focus on constantly innovating and being fresh like ''Black'' and ''White'' were at the time. This has also resulted in rivalries between fans of specific games, such as ''XY'' vs. ''VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2''.

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* FandomRivalry: Generation V has one in general with [[VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue Generation I]]. This rivalry started back when ''Pokémon Black'' and ''Pokémon White'' came out, mostly due to "genwunners"[[note]]fans who only like the first (sometimes second) generation of Pokémon and hate later generations on principle[[/note]] trashing the Generation V Pokémon and [[NostalgiaFilter comparing them unfavorably to their childhood favorites]]. favorites]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UO5jJ7ICYtc to near-memetic levels]]. Later, ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'' pacified the "genwunners" by PanderingToTheBase and [[PanderingTotheBase deliberately tapping into their Gen I nostalgia. However, nostalgia]]; however, this didn't stop Unova fans from still being bitter towards Gen I and "genwunners" in general; some general. Some of the more vocal fans of Gen V fans dislike anything that appeals to old-school fans of the original 151 on principle, such as the aforementioned ''XY'' and ''VideoGame/PokemonGo'', and wish that the franchise would ignore their nostalgia and instead focus on constantly innovating and being fresh like ''Black'' and ''White'' were at the time. This has also resulted in rivalries between fans of specific games, such as ''XY'' vs. ''VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2''.
28th Jul '16 2:48:01 PM Darthrai
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* FandomRivalry: Generation V has one in general with [[VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue Generation I]]. This rivalry started back when ''Pokémon Black'' and ''Pokémon White'' came out, mostly due to "genwunners"[[note]]fans who only like the first (sometimes second) generation of Pokémon and hate later generations on principle[[/note]] trashing the Generation V Pokémon and [[NostalgiaFilter comparing them unfavorably to their childhood favorites]]. Later, ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'' pacified the "genwunners" by PanderingToTheBase and deliberately tapping into their Gen I nostalgia. However, this didn't stop Unova fans from still being bitter towards Gen I and "genwunners" in general; some of the more vocal fans of Gen V dislike anything that appeals to fans of the original 151 on principle, such as the aforementioned ''XY'' and ''VideoGame/PokemonGo'', and wish that the franchise would ignore their nostalgia and instead focus on constantly innovating and being fresh like ''Black'' and ''White'' were at the time. This has also resulted in rivalries between fans of specific games, such as ''XY'' vs. ''VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2''.
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