History YMMV / PokemonBlackAndWhite

15th Oct '17 4:42:40 PM Vos
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* ViewerSpeciesConfusion: Zorua and Zoroark are often mistaken for wolves, with many viewers thinking that the latter is a werewolf, when they're actually both foxes, based on the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitsune kitsune]], possibly of the more mischevious yako or nogitsune variety.
30th Aug '17 6:07:16 PM nombretomado
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** N introduces the Shadow Triad as men, but that hasn't stopped the fans from questioning their gender, especially since it is only addressed once. In ''Manga/PokemonSpecial'', they look like masked versions of [[Manga/DeathNote Mello]]. Not helping. At all. Fixed in the sequels, where they have more masculine sprites and one of them speaks with [[AkiraIshida an identifiably male voice]] in the animated trailer.

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** N introduces the Shadow Triad as men, but that hasn't stopped the fans from questioning their gender, especially since it is only addressed once. In ''Manga/PokemonSpecial'', they look like masked versions of [[Manga/DeathNote Mello]]. Not helping. At all. Fixed in the sequels, where they have more masculine sprites and one of them speaks with [[AkiraIshida [[Creator/AkiraIshida an identifiably male voice]] in the animated trailer.
12th Aug '17 1:35:06 AM MayIncon
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** The pre-release names for the Machop line are Kara-tee, Kung-foo and Ju-doh, even though they are based on bodybuilding wrestlers. These games introduced Sawk, the Mienfoo line and Throh, Fighting-types based on karate, kung fu and judo respectively.
9th Aug '17 5:34:04 PM MBG
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** Pansage already wasn't popular because it was yet another monkey-based Pokémon, but since Panpour and Pansear made an {{underground monkey}} of him, Panpour and Pansear, the results aren't pretty. While their evolutions are very different from each other, many people went on to deposit their monkey after the first gym, as they found their evolutions weak, still leading to this trope. In the 2016 popularity poll, Simisear scored dead last out of all 720 Pokémon available in the games at that time.

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** Pansage already wasn't popular because it was yet another monkey-based Pokémon, but since Panpour and Pansear made an {{underground monkey}} of him, Panpour and Pansear, the results aren't pretty. While their evolutions are very different from each other, many people went on to deposit their monkey after the first gym, as they found their evolutions weak, still leading to this trope. On top of that, they're incredibly common in the hands of other Trainers in the storyline, making it easy to get sick of them. In the 2016 popularity poll, Simisear scored dead last out of all 720 Pokémon available in the games at that time.
25th Jul '17 1:33:51 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** Oshawott's family is LoveItOrHateIt, no point in between. Some people love the otter unconditionally, while others think it has the stupidest character design and lamest evolutions ever.

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** Oshawott's family is LoveItOrHateIt, no point in between.family. Some people love the otter unconditionally, while others think it has the stupidest character design and lamest evolutions ever.
1st Jul '17 3:45:11 PM wedward
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** [[spoiler:The final battle with N. His legendary dragon can be easily defeated by your own due to Artificial Stupidity (it loves to use its signature move, which you're resistant to and can power up your ''own'' dragon's signature move as well), and most of his other Pokémon can be one-shotted with the proper type matchups. Then you face the ''real'' Final Boss, who isn't nearly as much of a pushover...]]

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** [[spoiler:The final battle with N. His legendary dragon can be easily defeated by your own due to Artificial Stupidity (it loves to use its signature move, which you're resistant to and can power up your ''own'' dragon's signature move as well), and most of his other Pokémon can be one-shotted with the proper type matchups. Then [[SubvertedTrope Then]] you face the ''real'' Final Boss, who isn't nearly as much of a pushover...]]
19th Jun '17 8:15:58 AM TheNerfGuy
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* VindicatedByHistory: Controversial as they may have been, in the half-decade since their release the hatred of ''Black and White'' has lessened considerably. Many fans are thankful that the games have some of the best plots and characterisations of the series, and the great amount of postgame content for a generation's maiden pair of games. Though, another major reason is that any controversy they may have had has been overshadowed by those of the sixth generation games and '''especially''' ''Sun and Moon'', all three of which are heavily criticised for their lackluster difficulty and increasingly shallow postgames, and many fans feel that the amount of things ''Black and White'' removed from the series pale to that of ''Sun and Moon''.
17th Jun '17 9:35:24 PM Desdar300
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* VindicatedByHistory: Controversial as they may have been, in the half-decade since their release the hatred of ''Black and White'' has lessened considerably. Many fans are thankful that the games have some of the best plots and characterisations of the series, and the great amount of postgame content for a generation's maiden pair of games. Though, another major reason is that any controversy they may have had has been overshadowed by those of the sixth generation games and '''especially''' ''Sun and Moon'', all three of which are heavily criticised for their lackluster difficulty and increasingly shallow postgames, and many fans feel that the amount of things ''Black and White'' removed from the series pale to that of ''Sun and Moon''.

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* VindicatedByHistory: Controversial as they may have been, in the half-decade since their release the hatred of ''Black and White'' has lessened considerably. Many fans are thankful that the games have some of the best plots and characterisations of the series, and the great amount of postgame content for a generation's maiden pair of games. Though, another major reason is that any controversy they may have had has been overshadowed by those of the sixth generation games and '''especially''' ''Sun and Moon'', all three of which are heavily criticised for their lackluster difficulty and increasingly shallow postgames, and many fans feel that the amount of things ''Black and White'' removed from the series pale to that of ''Sun and Moon''.
2nd Jun '17 4:48:02 AM SpinAttaxx
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** Bug type. In previous generations "new Bug type pokemon" usually meant "A bunch of earlygame bugs, usually early evolving as well, whose stats just plain suck. Also, half of them is Bug/Flying, a typing with some very unfortunate weaknesses (rocks, fire, ice, and electricity being standouts), another half is Bug/Poison" The only ones that are at least playable were Scyther/Scizor, Nincada family, Heracross and Pineco/Forretress. Prior to generation IV, the fact that Bug just sucks was also supported by them having no attacks. What did Black and White do? They introduced ''eighteen'' bugs. All of them with great stats. Not a single one evolves early. Around half of them have new typings. Three of them are Bug/Steel (only one weakness). Scolipede is able to learn freaking ''Earthquake'' and ''Rock Slide''. Galvantula gets a STAB Thunder with ''much better'' accuracy thanks to Compoundeyes. Durant has crazy-awesome attack power with its Hustle ability, albeit with a little less accuracy, and it gets even better with Hone Claws, which boosts Attack and Accuracy. And it, too, can learn Rock Slide. Escavalier is a defensive powerhouse that can absorb blows and hit like a train, while Accelgor is a blisteringly fast special attacker with great offensive stats. Even Leavanny, in spite of its poor defensive typing, can easily clobber a wide variety of foes with moves like Leaf Blade and X-Scissor, and also packs a quadruple resistance to Earthquake. Volcarona has the awesome Quiver Dance and a solid Base 80 signature move which has a pretty good chance of boosting its Special Attack. Volcarona is really close to being a legendary, seeing as there's one in the whole game sitting in a tower at level 70, like all legendaries do. And that's a shame, because the title of the first legendary Bug-type in the series goes to Genesect, also introduced in this generation. "Bug trainer" is no longer a stigma.

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** Bug type. In previous generations "new Bug The Bug-type was slowly getting better in Gen IV with stronger moves like X-Scissor and U-Turn, but these games gave the type pokemon" usually meant "A bunch of earlygame bugs, usually early evolving as well, whose stats just plain suck. Also, half of them is Bug/Flying, a typing serious boost with some very unfortunate weaknesses (rocks, fire, ice, and electricity being standouts), another half is Bug/Poison" The only ones many new Bug-types that are at least playable were Scyther/Scizor, Nincada family, Heracross and Pineco/Forretress. Prior to generation IV, the fact that Bug just sucks was also supported by them having no attacks. What did Black and White do? They introduced ''eighteen'' bugs. All of them weren't {{Crutch Character}}s, with great stats. Not a single one evolves early. Around half of them have new typings. Three of them are Bug/Steel (only one weakness). Scolipede is able to learn freaking ''Earthquake'' stats, movepools, and ''Rock Slide''. Galvantula gets a STAB Thunder with ''much better'' accuracy thanks to Compoundeyes. Durant has crazy-awesome attack power with its Hustle ability, albeit with a little less accuracy, and it gets even better with Hone Claws, which diverse types beyond Flying or Poison (as well as the type's first {{Olympus Mon|s}} in Genesect). The introduction of [[StatusBuff Quiver Dance]][[labelnote:*]]which boosts Attack and Accuracy. And it, too, can learn Rock Slide. Escavalier is a defensive powerhouse that can absorb blows and hit like a train, while Accelgor is a blisteringly fast special attacker with great offensive stats. Even Leavanny, in spite of its poor defensive typing, can easily clobber a wide variety of foes with moves like Leaf Blade and X-Scissor, and also packs a quadruple resistance to Earthquake. Volcarona has the awesome Quiver Dance and a solid Base 80 signature move which has a pretty good chance of boosting its Special Attack. Volcarona is really close to being a legendary, seeing as there's one in the whole game sitting in a tower at level 70, like all legendaries do. And that's a shame, because the title of the first legendary Bug-type in the series goes to Genesect, Attack, Special Defense, and Speed[[/labelnote]] also introduced in this generation. "Bug trainer" is no longer a stigma.allowed past Bug-types to stand up better, particularly ones with Baton Pass.



** And that doesn't count some of the previous generation bugs - Butterfree, Beautifly, Masquerian, Venomoth and Dustox all got the amazing Quiver Dance, which boosts Special Attack, Special Defense and Speed. Masquerian and Venomoth also have Baton Pass to deliver potentially game-breaking Quiver Dance bonuses to their allies.



** The Kami trio have gotten some SERIOUS hate for how [[UndergroundMonkey similar]] their sprites are. Their bodies and postures are exactly the same, with the only differences being color, tail and mustache.

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** The Kami trio have gotten some SERIOUS hate for how [[UndergroundMonkey similar]] their sprites are. Their bodies and postures are exactly the same, with the only differences being color, tail and mustache. The introduction of their more diverse Therian formes in the sequels caused the hate to die down (or in Landorus' case, gain hate [[TierInducedScrappy for a different reason]]).



** Since the Global Link was opened, people have been getting mad at Fennel if they can't access the Dream World, thanks to her [[http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n573/AuraChannelerChris/Fennel-1-1.png taunting expression]].

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** Since the Global Link was opened, people have been getting got mad at Fennel if they can't couldn't access the Dream World, thanks to her [[http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n573/AuraChannelerChris/Fennel-1-1.png taunting expression]].



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: N's navelgazing about the relationship between Pokémon and humans would provoke a good deal of analysis about the sentience and free will of Pokémon, as well as how it could possibly be symbiotic when humans depend on Pokémon for everything from construction work to conflict resolution. Shame that the franchise is built up on cutesy animals blindly following your every command to win. Even more of a shame that N is in the wrong due to being ''specifically raised'' to believe that philosophy.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Given what Genesect is -- a PrehistoricMonster revived and turned into a cyborg by Team Plasma, only for the project to be cancelled by N out of disgust -- you'd expect it to have some role in the plot. Unfortunately, because it's a [[TemporaryOnlineContent Mythical Pokémon]], it has no role in this game or the sequels beyond a side event where you get the Drives.[[labelnote:*]]And even then, only two. And the sequels don't even let you get the opposite set![[/labelnote]] What's more, unlike [[BloodKnight Mewtwo]], little to nothing about Genesect's personality is revealed in its Pokédex entries beyond reminders that Team Plasma made it (at best, ''Black'' mentions [[TheDreaded it was feared in its era as the strongest of hunters]]).
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N's navelgazing about the relationship between Pokémon and humans would provoke a good deal of analysis about the sentience and free will of Pokémon, as well as how it could possibly be symbiotic when humans depend on Pokémon for everything from construction work to conflict resolution. Shame that the franchise is built up on cutesy animals blindly following your every command to win. Even more of a shame that N is in the wrong due to being ''specifically raised'' to believe that philosophy.
9th May '17 5:45:18 PM compactwave
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* ReplacementScrappy: Many people saw Iris as this, seeing as she would star in the anime instead of the playable female from the games. RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap might take effect, however, as she has been [[spoiler:confirmed to be the White version's final Gym Leader, training Dragon-Types]]. And again, as the ''Black and White'' season of the anime began to [[DorkAge draw tons of fan criticism]], thus making many fans indifferent to whether Hilda would have appeared or not (some were even glad that she didn't appear).

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Many people saw Iris as this, seeing as she would star in the anime instead of the playable female from the games. RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap might take effect, however, as she has been [[spoiler:confirmed to be the White version's final Gym Leader, training Dragon-Types]]. And again, as the ''Black and White'' season of the anime began to [[DorkAge draw tons of fan criticism]], thus making many fans indifferent to whether Hilda would have appeared or not (some were even glad that she didn't appear).


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* VindicatedByHistory: Controversial as they may have been, in the half-decade since their release the hatred of ''Black and White'' has lessened considerably. Many fans are thankful that the games have some of the best plots and characterisations of the series, and the great amount of postgame content for a generation's maiden pair of games. Though, another major reason is that any controversy they may have had has been overshadowed by those of the sixth generation games and '''especially''' ''Sun and Moon'', all three of which are heavily criticised for their lackluster difficulty and increasingly shallow postgames, and many fans feel that the amount of things ''Black and White'' removed from the series pale to that of ''Sun and Moon''.
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