History YMMV / PokemonBlackAndWhite

18th Jan '17 3:23:58 PM Retloclive
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15th Jan '17 10:22:38 AM N8han11
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** Hey, remember how auto-leveling worked in player vs player battles before Gen V (At least in Gens III and IV)? Being able to have a team of 6 automatically be raised to level 100 or raised/lowered to level 50 was very convenient. In Gen V, the only leveling option you have is the Flat Battle ruleset, which has many of the same restrictions as a battle facility: All Pokemon are dropped to level 50, no more than one of the same Pokemon nor item, and only 3 ans 4 Pokemon can be used in single and double battles, respectively. The only other option available allows you to turn the Wonder Launcher on/off. Also, unlike battle facilities, Pokemon beneath level 50 do not have their levels raised. Combined with the afforementioned mechanic, this means a lot of grinding if you want have a 6 on 6 battle with no restrictions where everything is at an equal level.

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** Hey, remember Remember how auto-leveling worked in player vs player battles before Gen V (At least in Gens III and IV)? Being able to have a team of 6 automatically be raised to level 100 or raised/lowered to level 50 was very convenient. In Gen V, the only leveling option you have is the Flat Battle ruleset, which has many of the same restrictions as a battle facility: All Pokemon are dropped to level 50, no more than one of the same Pokemon nor item, and only 3 ans 4 Pokemon can be used in single and double battles, respectively. The only other option available allows you to turn the Wonder Launcher on/off. Also, unlike battle facilities, Pokemon beneath level 50 do not have their levels raised. Combined with the afforementioned mechanic, this means a lot of grinding if you want have a 6 on 6 battle with no restrictions where everything is at an equal level.



** The game is actually rather easy if you know what you're doing. Just race through the maze until you find the missing item, the pokemon you're looking for will be 1-2 spaces near it.
15th Jan '17 10:14:26 AM N8han11
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** Zorua and Zoroark have come under increasing fire as well, due in no small part to the fact that both of them are event-only Pokémon.
*** They are event-only by proxy, at least -- you must have a ''Celebi'' (itself an event-only Pokémon as well) in your party to get your Zorua in the game.
*** Though this has [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap lessened somewhat]] thanks to ''VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2'' not only making it not-event-only, but also giving you one for free half way through the game.

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** Zorua and Zoroark have come under increasing fire as well, due in no small part to the fact that both of them are event-only Pokémon.
*** They are event-only by proxy, at least -- you must have a ''Celebi'' (itself an event-only Pokémon as well) in your party to get your Zorua in the game.
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Pokémon. This has [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap lessened somewhat]] thanks to ''VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2'' not only making it not-event-only, but also giving you one for free half way through the game.



*** Another example of [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap getting redeemed]] by ''Black 2'' & ''White 2'' - their new forms have been pretty well-received. Their original forms still get some flak, however.



*** Funnily enough, at least a few people have been convinced otherwise of Garbodor once it appeared in the anime, under [[VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2 Poison-type Gym Leader Roxie]], thanks to the anime giving it the ability to ''stretch its arms like whips''. For the rest, at least their opinion isn't any ''worse'' than it was before.
*** And there are others who thought Garbodor and Trubbish are [[RidiculouslyCuteCritter Ridiculously]] UglyCute [[RidiculouslyCuteCritter Critters]] from day 1. Website/{{Bogleech}} even [[http://www.bogleech.com/pokemon/trash.html dedicated an entire article to defending them.]]



*** Emolga also comes under fire for being another Pikaclone. Bonus points for being [[GoddamnBats a pain to fight]], gives a pitiful amount of experience compared to other Mons [[ThatOneBoss and the fact that Elesa uses two of these demons in the battle]].

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*** ** Emolga also comes under fire for being another Pikaclone. Bonus points for being [[GoddamnBats a pain to fight]], gives a pitiful amount of experience compared to other Mons [[ThatOneBoss and the fact that Elesa uses two of these demons in the battle]].
10th Jan '17 1:47:51 PM SpinAttaxx
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** [[spoiler:Was Team Plasma sans Ghetsis truly a StupidGood group of {{well-intentioned extremist}}s who thought they were doing the right thing à la N, or were some in on Ghetsis's true intentions and merely playing up the facade in order to gain brownie points from the guy when he finished his conquering? The Sages at the very least seem aware, since they slip up occasionally and refer to Ghetsis as their leader (followed by him correcting them that he's one of the Sages and supposedly no more powerful than the rest of them). Similarly, they hint that N's desire to fight the player is interfering with Ghetsis's plans. Then there's the fact that the Shadow Triad is loyal to Ghetsis even after he reveals the truth... The two grunts who kick the Munna early on hint that they were aware that Ghetsis was lying.]]

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** [[spoiler:Was Team Plasma sans Ghetsis truly a StupidGood group of {{well-intentioned {{well intentioned extremist}}s who thought they were doing the right thing à la N, or were some in on Ghetsis's true intentions and merely playing up the facade in order to gain brownie points from the guy when he finished his conquering? The Sages at the very least seem aware, since they slip up occasionally and refer to Ghetsis as their leader (followed by him correcting them that he's one of the Sages and supposedly no more powerful than the rest of them). Similarly, they hint that N's desire to fight the player is interfering with Ghetsis's plans. Then there's the fact that the Shadow Triad is loyal to Ghetsis even after he reveals the truth... The two grunts who kick the Munna early on hint that they were aware that Ghetsis was lying.]]
10th Jan '17 1:47:09 PM SpinAttaxx
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** [[spoiler:Was Team Plasma sans Ghetsis truly a Stupid Good group of Well-Intentioned Extremists who thought they were doing the right thing à la N, or were some in on Ghetsis's true intentions and merely playing up the facade in order to gain brownie points from the guy when he finished his conquering? The Sages at the very least seem aware, since they slip up occasionally and refer to Ghetsis as their leader (followed by him correcting them that he's one of the Sages and supposedly no more powerful than the rest of them). Similarly, they hint that N's desire to fight the player is interfering with Ghetsis's plans. Then there's the fact that the Shadow Triad is loyal to Ghetsis even after he reveals the truth... The two grunts who kick the Munna early on hint that they were aware that Ghetsis was lying.]]

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** [[spoiler:Was Team Plasma sans Ghetsis truly a Stupid Good StupidGood group of Well-Intentioned Extremists {{well-intentioned extremist}}s who thought they were doing the right thing à la N, or were some in on Ghetsis's true intentions and merely playing up the facade in order to gain brownie points from the guy when he finished his conquering? The Sages at the very least seem aware, since they slip up occasionally and refer to Ghetsis as their leader (followed by him correcting them that he's one of the Sages and supposedly no more powerful than the rest of them). Similarly, they hint that N's desire to fight the player is interfering with Ghetsis's plans. Then there's the fact that the Shadow Triad is loyal to Ghetsis even after he reveals the truth... The two grunts who kick the Munna early on hint that they were aware that Ghetsis was lying.]]



** Many ''good'' Unova Pokemon evolve very late in the games when there is no legit reason for, which doesn't help their rather [[MagikarpPower weak base forms]]. Coupled with the new EXP gain system, raising Pokemon in these games is chore at best and hellish at worst.
** While generally not a major problem, Fishing Rods are not available for the player until the post-game. This is made worse that unlike the Gen IV games not even the Good Rod is in these games and Water-types in Unova are very limited just like how Fire and Electric types are scarce in both Hoenn and Sinnoh. To put simply, fans of aquatic Pokemon are ''not pleased'' at this decision.

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** Many ''good'' Unova Pokemon Pokémon have rather obscene level requirements for evolution, and as such evolve very late in the games when there is no legit good reason for, to, which doesn't help their rather [[MagikarpPower weak base forms]]. Coupled with the new EXP gain system, raising Pokemon in these games is a chore at best and hellish at worst.
worst. Even worse, while some of those high levels could at least be justified for their placement in the game, future games ''retain'' the high level requirements even when such Pokémon are encountered at much lower levels than they previously were. Have fun playing ''VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon'' with a Rufflet/Vullaby that, due to the EXP system's return, their early game placement and evolution level of ''54'', will never evolve until the very end of the game!
** While generally not a major problem, Fishing Rods are not available for the player until the post-game. This is made worse that since, unlike the Gen IV games games, not even the Good Rod is in these games games, and Water-types in Unova are very limited just like how Fire Fire- and Electric types Electric-types are scarce in both Hoenn and Sinnoh. To put simply, fans Fans of aquatic Pokemon are ''not ''aren't pleased'' at this decision.
7th Jan '17 1:23:16 AM SeptimusHeap
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* FreudWasRight:
** Upon seeing Oshawott for the first time, some people mistook the seashell on its chest for a penis marking. (Long straight shape in the middle, rounded shapes on the sides.) Also, Reshiram sure chose a nice place to grow a [[FreudianSlip wang]] - WING! I meant wing!
** Beartic has a suspicious-looking patch of fur on its crotch area as well, though to be honest, a lot of Pokémon had that same or similar patch of fur on their crotch-area. Blaziken included.
** Krookodile's big long nose makes it look like it has a literal dickhead.



** [[FreudWasRight ''Black Version'' is longer]].

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** [[FreudWasRight ''Black Version'' is longer]].longer.
28th Dec '16 9:32:23 AM Cadmus90
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** Adding to the above, many of these games' selling points (specifically a deeper storyline, more fleshed-out and likable characters, a [[KnightOfCerebus surprisingly dark and insane]] villain, [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking and a US-based region]]) were reused in ''VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon''. Because ''Sun'' and ''Moon'' [[WinBackTheCrowd won back the crowd]] on a larger scale than the Unova games ever did[[note]]even becoming Nintendo's most preordered and fastest-selling games in history[[/note]] and made it a point to bring back old Pokémon while introducing and heavily integrating new ones,[[note]]which [[WinBackTheCrowd endeared nostalgic fans to the games]] rather than [[AudienceAlienatingPremise driving them away]],[[/note]] they ended up getting tons of praise for those elements[[note]]with much of the BrokenBase coming from the fact that [[EnjoyTheStorySkipTheGame the story interferes heavily with the gameplay]][[/note]] while ''Black'' and ''White'' doing these elements first tends to be largely forgotten.
14th Dec '16 11:47:38 AM Darthrai
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** At the time, ''Black'' and ''White'' were praised by core fans for being an innovative, creative soft reboot and evolution of the ''Pokémon'' franchise. It was widely speculated at the time that later generations would follow up on it and look up at it as a gold standard, and many fan ideas existed for Unovan equivalents of ''VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver''[[note]]more of a direct analog than the official ''VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2'', with new Pokémon in a new region but lots of focus on the Unova Pokémon[[/note]] that would serve as direct sequels to Generation V. However, casual and old-school fans were highly critical of Gen V for locking out most of the older Pokémon, especially Generation I fan-favorites. As a result, ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'' heavily emphasized the Kanto Pokémon while only following up on the Unova games in very minor ways, and many fans feel that the series has regressed in terms of uniqueness and innovation in favor of sticking with tradition and appealing to popularity. ''VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon'', however, has made an attempt to reconcile the positive factors of both previous generations, which has led to widespread praise, with most of its criticism coming from the game being less streamlined for competitive play than Gen VI was (if still more than other generations).

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** At the time, ''Black'' and ''White'' were praised by core fans for being an innovative, creative soft reboot and evolution of the ''Pokémon'' franchise. It was widely speculated at the time that later generations would follow up on it and look up at it as a gold standard, and many fan ideas existed for Unovan equivalents of ''VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver''[[note]]more of a direct analog than the official ''VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2'', with new Pokémon in a new region but lots of focus on the Unova Pokémon[[/note]] that would serve as direct sequels to Generation V. However, casual and old-school fans were highly critical of Gen V for locking out most of the older Pokémon, especially Generation I fan-favorites. As a result, ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'' heavily emphasized the Kanto Pokémon while only following up on the Unova games in very minor ways, and many fans feel that the series has regressed in terms of uniqueness and innovation in favor of sticking with tradition and appealing to popularity. ''VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon'', however, has made an attempt to reconcile the positive factors of both previous generations, which has led to widespread praise, with most of its criticism coming from the game games being less streamlined for competitive play than Gen VI was (if still more than other generations).
14th Dec '16 11:47:29 AM Darthrai
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** At the time, ''Black'' and ''White'' were praised by core fans for being an innovative, creative soft reboot and evolution of the ''Pokémon'' franchise. It was widely speculated at the time that later generations would follow up on it and look up at it as a gold standard, and many fan ideas existed for Unovan equivalents of ''VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver''[[note]]more of a direct analog than the official ''VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2'', with new Pokémon in a new region but lots of focus on the Unova Pokémon[[/note]] that would serve as direct sequels to Generation V. However, casual and old-school fans were highly critical of Gen V for locking out most of the older Pokémon, especially Generation I fan-favorites. As a result, ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'' heavily emphasized the Kanto Pokémon while only following up on the Unova games in very minor ways, and many fans feel that the series has regressed in terms of uniqueness and innovation in favor of sticking with tradition and appealing to popularity. ''VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon'', however, has made an attempt to reconcile the positive factors of both previous generations, which has led to widespread praise.

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** At the time, ''Black'' and ''White'' were praised by core fans for being an innovative, creative soft reboot and evolution of the ''Pokémon'' franchise. It was widely speculated at the time that later generations would follow up on it and look up at it as a gold standard, and many fan ideas existed for Unovan equivalents of ''VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver''[[note]]more of a direct analog than the official ''VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2'', with new Pokémon in a new region but lots of focus on the Unova Pokémon[[/note]] that would serve as direct sequels to Generation V. However, casual and old-school fans were highly critical of Gen V for locking out most of the older Pokémon, especially Generation I fan-favorites. As a result, ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'' heavily emphasized the Kanto Pokémon while only following up on the Unova games in very minor ways, and many fans feel that the series has regressed in terms of uniqueness and innovation in favor of sticking with tradition and appealing to popularity. ''VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon'', however, has made an attempt to reconcile the positive factors of both previous generations, which has led to widespread praise.praise, with most of its criticism coming from the game being less streamlined for competitive play than Gen VI was (if still more than other generations).
13th Dec '16 5:06:20 PM Isaac_Heller
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** In a variation of EnjoyTheStorySkipTheGame, ''Pokémon Black'' and ''Pokémon White'' are still agreed to have the best story in the series, even well into Generation VI. Additionally, many of the human characters continue to be very popular with the core fandom, especially the player characters themselves for having cool [[MrFanservice and]] [[MsFanservice attractive]] designs, and N for being one of the most likable and well-developed characters in the series. Some people come back to the games for the story and characters alone, or at least {{Game Mod}}s such as ''Pokémon Blaze Black'' and ''Pokémon Volt White'' that address other complaints about the games.

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** In a variation of EnjoyTheStorySkipTheGame, ''Pokémon Black'' and ''Pokémon White'' are still agreed to have the best story in the series, even well into Generation VI.with only the story of ''Sun'' and ''Moon'' rivaling it. Additionally, many of the human characters continue to be very popular with the core fandom, especially the player characters themselves for having cool [[MrFanservice and]] [[MsFanservice attractive]] designs, and N for being one of the most likable and well-developed characters in the series. Some people come back to the games for the story and characters alone, or at least {{Game Mod}}s such as ''Pokémon Blaze Black'' and ''Pokémon Volt White'' that address other complaints about the games.
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