History YMMV / PokemonBlackAndWhite

12th Jun '16 3:51:15 PM compactwave
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** Pansage already wasn't popular because it was yet another monkey-based Pokémon, but since Panpour and Pansear made an {{underground monkey}} of him, Panpour and Pansear, the results aren't pretty. While their evolutions are very different from each other, many people went on to deposit their monkey after the first gym, as they found their evolutions weak, still leading to this trope.

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** Pansage already wasn't popular because it was yet another monkey-based Pokémon, but since Panpour and Pansear made an {{underground monkey}} of him, Panpour and Pansear, the results aren't pretty. While their evolutions are very different from each other, many people went on to deposit their monkey after the first gym, as they found their evolutions weak, still leading to this trope. In the 2016 popularity poll, Simisear scored dead last out of all 720 Pokémon available in the games at that time.
7th Jun '16 4:02:16 PM Lionheart0
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* ComplacentGamingSyndrome: Generation 5 is known, sometimes derisively, as the Weather Wars. Abilities that created weather conditions [[note]]Drought, Drizzle, Sand Stream, Snow Warning[[/note]] were all buffed to create weather conditions that would last the entirety of the battle unless another weather ability or move was used to counteract it. This led to meta game revolving around building teams to explicitly exploit this feature and otherwise low-tier pokemon like Ninetails, Abomasnow, and Politoed to suddenly become viable.
6th Jun '16 9:40:57 PM ADrago
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* DorkAge: While ''Black'' and ''White'' are very good games, many fans consider its Pokédex and selection of available Pokémon to be this, due to the large number of [[ReplacementScrappy Replacement Scrappies]] and [[TierInducedScrappy generally weak mons]], as well as the postgame selection of National Dex Pokémon leaving out many fan-favorites and classic species (even SeriesMascot Pikachu).



* TheyJustDidntCare:
** Kyurem's Pokédex entry in ''White'' [[note]]"It can produce ultracold air. Its body is frozen."[[/note]] rivals Shellos' ''[=HeartGold and SoulSilver=]'' entry in terms of sheer brevity and laziness at a mere nine words long.



* UnfortunateImplications:
** Some fans think the character [[http://pokebeach.com/news/0810/aloe.jpg Lenora]] looks uncomfortably like the "mammy" stereotype.
** In the Japanese version, her description in the badge case is, in English, 'Natural Born [[TeamMom Mama]].' Huh.[[note]]Her English description is "An Archaeologist with Backbone", and her husband, Hawes, refers to her as "Dear" instead of "Mama" in the localization.[[/note]]
** There was a bit of an uproar over the '''cotton''' Pokémon being caught in the '''Black''' version. Its counterpart, Lilligant, being based on a Southern Belle and caught in the '''''White''''' version [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything didn't help]].
1st Jun '16 9:12:51 PM IndirectActiveTransport
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Team Plasma may be hypocritical (and in some cases, dishonest) about their desire to free Pokémon from humans, but the fact remains that Pokemon battles would be a serious case of animal cruelty in a more realistic setting. Furthermore, most sympathetic characters say that Team Plasma is wrong, but never provide a strong counterargument beyond "Pokémon and humans are meant to be friends".

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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Team Plasma may be hypocritical (and in some cases, dishonest) about their desire to free Pokémon from humans, but the fact remains that Pokemon battles would be a serious case of animal cruelty in a more realistic setting. Furthermore, most sympathetic characters say that Team Plasma is wrong, but never provide Drayden is the only one with a strong counterargument beyond "Pokémon and humans are meant counterargument: if Pokémon ever wanted to be friends".leave humans, they would.



** Elesa as well, thanks to her irritating Emolgas who resist Ground attacks, are irritatingly prone to paralyzing your Pokemon, and will constantly swap places in and out of battle with her hard-hitting speedster of a Zebstrika.

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** Elesa as well, thanks to her irritating Emolgas who resist ignore Ground attacks, are irritatingly prone to paralyzing your Pokemon, and will constantly swap places in and out of battle with her hard-hitting speedster of a Zebstrika.



%%** Stunfisk.

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%%** Stunfisk.** Stunfisk, that is if you find the fact it's laughing at you cute rather than irritating.



** There was a bit of an uproar over the '''cotton''' Pokémon being exclusive to the '''Black''' version. Its counterpart, Lilligant, being based on a Southern Belle and exclusive to the '''''White''''' version [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything didn't help]].

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** There was a bit of an uproar over the '''cotton''' Pokémon being exclusive to caught in the '''Black''' version. Its counterpart, Lilligant, being based on a Southern Belle and exclusive to caught in the '''''White''''' version [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything didn't help]].
1st Jun '16 9:04:00 PM IndirectActiveTransport
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** Basculin for having an abysmal design and being the ONLY thing you can find on rippling water since fishing rods are off-limits till post-game. They are not that good either in battles.

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** Basculin for having an abysmal design and being the ONLY thing you can find on rippling fresh water routes, since fishing rods are off-limits till post-game. They are not that good either in battles.
17th May '16 11:39:29 AM N8han11
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*** [[FridgeHorror It also tells you]] [[spoiler:what [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness his ultimate fate would have been.]]

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*** [[FridgeHorror It also tells you]] [[spoiler:what [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness his ultimate fate would have been.]]]]]]
16th May '16 8:19:32 AM Darthrai
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: The "new Pokémon only" Pokédex, initially one of the games' biggest selling points, became a common point of derision after the release of ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY''. Some fans find it hard to come back to ''Black'' and'' White'' due to the lack of familiar faces, especially since none of the Unova Pokémon became significant {{Breakout Character}}s like Lucario did in Gen IV; furthermore, the Nintendo WFC shutdown makes it more difficult to obtain old Pokémon via trades or hacking[[note]]i.e. before clearing the main story and, for some mons such as the old starters and legendaries and even [[SeriesMascot Pikachu]], without owning the required Gen IV game[[/note]]. The story is still widely regarded as the best in the series, but [[PlayTheGameSkipTheStory often looked over]]. It doesn't help that most Unova Pokémon (especially the likes of Hydreigon and Scrafty) are [[{{Nerf}} affected]] in [[TierInducedScrappy the worst way possible]] by the updated type chart and game mechanics of Gen VI as well as not getting Mega Evolution with the exception of [[TierInducedScrappy Audino]], further generating more unnecessary hate towards this generation's set of Pokémon as a result[[note]]although some Pokémon, such as Bisharp and Serperior, became notably better in Gen VI[[/note]].

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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: The "new Pokémon only" Pokédex, initially one of the games' biggest selling points, became a common point of derision after the release of ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY''. Some fans find it hard to come back to ''Black'' and'' White'' due to the lack of familiar faces, especially since none of the Unova Pokémon became significant {{Breakout Character}}s like Lucario did in Gen IV; furthermore, the Nintendo WFC shutdown makes it more difficult to obtain old Pokémon via trades or hacking[[note]]i.hacking.[[note]]i.e. before clearing the main story and, for some mons such as the old starters and legendaries and even [[SeriesMascot Pikachu]], without owning the required Gen IV game[[/note]]. game.[[/note]] The story is still widely regarded as the best in the series, but [[PlayTheGameSkipTheStory often looked over]]. It doesn't help that most Unova Pokémon (especially the likes of Hydreigon and Scrafty) are [[{{Nerf}} affected]] in [[TierInducedScrappy the worst way possible]] by the updated type chart and game mechanics of Gen VI as well as not getting Mega Evolution with the exception of [[TierInducedScrappy Audino]], further generating more unnecessary hate towards this generation's set of Pokémon as a result[[note]]although result.[[note]]However, some Pokémon, such as Bisharp and Serperior, became notably better in Gen VI[[/note]]. VI.[[/note]]
21st Apr '16 6:40:29 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** Are Reshiram and Zekrom [[YinYangClash two separate entities that have come to despise each other]] [[ThisIsMySide because they are polar opposites never to meet]], or do they [[PuttingTheBandBackTogether long to turn back into the original dragon they were before]] [[ShipTease and be together]]? The latter seems a fairly popular interpretation on Pixiv.

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** Are Reshiram and Zekrom [[YinYangClash two separate entities that have come to despise each other]] because [[ThisIsMySide because they are polar opposites never to meet]], or do they [[PuttingTheBandBackTogether long to turn back into the original dragon they were before]] [[ShipTease before and be together]]? The latter seems a fairly popular interpretation on Pixiv.



** N ([[AntiVillain kinda]]). Zekrom, too, but in [[DarkIsNotEvil appearance]] [[RedEyesTakeWarning only]]. For this reason, the EvilIsCool crowd tends to associate Zekrom with N and the more angelic Reshiram with Hilbert/Hilda.

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** N ([[AntiVillain kinda]]). Zekrom, too, but in [[DarkIsNotEvil appearance]] [[RedEyesTakeWarning appearance only]]. For this reason, the EvilIsCool crowd tends to associate Zekrom with N and the more angelic Reshiram with Hilbert/Hilda.



** [[YuriGenre Elesa/Skyla]] [[CrackPairing came out of nowhere]] to completely ''explode'' with fanart.

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** [[YuriGenre Elesa/Skyla]] Elesa/Skyla [[CrackPairing came out of nowhere]] to completely ''explode'' with fanart.



*** It also tells you [[spoiler:what [[FridgeHorror his]] [[UnwittingPawn ultimate]] [[OffingTheOffspring fate]] will be. ]]

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*** [[FridgeHorror It also tells you you]] [[spoiler:what [[FridgeHorror his]] [[UnwittingPawn ultimate]] [[OffingTheOffspring fate]] will be. [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness his ultimate fate would have been.]]



* ItsTheSameNowItSucks: The Fire-type starter's evolutions were revealed to be Fire/Fighting types. Just like the last two generations. [[BrokenBase Some fans]] [[InternetBackdraft got]] ''pissed'', due to perceived {{laz|yArtist}}iness on the part of Game Freak. There are plenty of people complaining about the other starters being respectively pure Grass- and Water-type as well, but it's generally not seen as bad as giving the Fire starter the same secondary type ''three times in a row''.

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* ItsTheSameNowItSucks: The Fire-type starter's evolutions were revealed to be Fire/Fighting types. Just like the last two generations. [[BrokenBase Some fans]] [[InternetBackdraft got]] ''pissed'', fans got ''[[[[InternetBackdraft pissed]]'', due to perceived {{laz|yArtist}}iness on the part of Game Freak. There are plenty of people complaining about the other starters being respectively pure Grass- and Water-type as well, but it's generally not seen as bad as giving the Fire starter the same secondary type ''three times in a row''.



* LauncherOfAThousandShips: Surprisingly, it's more so the ''male'' protagonist being shipped with a lot of Pokémon characters, mostly being ship off with [[FoeYay N]], [[DistaffCounterpart Hilda]], [[ChildhoodFriendRomance Bianca]], [[HoYay Cheren]], [[ChristmasCake Professor Juniper]], [[{{Stripperific}} Skyla]], [[DefrostingIceQueen Caitlin]] ... [[InterSpeciesRomance Also Snivy]] [[OurHomunculiAreDifferent and Reuniclus (NO, SERIOUSLY!)]].

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* LauncherOfAThousandShips: Surprisingly, it's more so the ''male'' protagonist being shipped with a lot of Pokémon characters, mostly being ship off with [[FoeYay N]], [[DistaffCounterpart Hilda]], [[ChildhoodFriendRomance Bianca]], [[HoYay Cheren]], [[ChristmasCake Professor Juniper]], [[{{Stripperific}} Skyla]], [[DefrostingIceQueen Caitlin]] ... [[InterSpeciesRomance Also Snivy]] and [[OurHomunculiAreDifferent and Reuniclus (NO, SERIOUSLY!)]].



** [[UrbanLegendOfZelda Serebii]] [[BrokenBase confirmed!]]

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** [[UrbanLegendOfZelda Serebii]] [[BrokenBase Serebii confirmed!]]



** The female Ace Trainer, due to her [[GirlishPigtails hair]][[MegaTwintails style]].

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** The female Ace Trainer, due to her [[GirlishPigtails hair]][[MegaTwintails style]].[[MegaTwintails hairstyle]].



* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: The "new Pokémon only" Pokédex, initially one of the games' biggest selling points, became a common point of derision after the release of ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY''. Some fans find it hard to come back to ''Black'' and'' White'' due to the lack of familiar faces, especially since none of the Unova Pokémon became significant {{Breakout Character}}s like Lucario did in Gen IV; furthermore, the Nintendo WFC shutdown makes it more difficult to obtain old Pokémon via trades or hacking[[note]]i.e. before clearing the main story and, for some mons such as the old starters and legendaries and even [[SeriesMascot Pikachu]], without owning the required Gen IV game[[/note]]. The story is still widely regarded as the best in the series, but [[PlayTheGameSkipTheStory often]] [[DamningWithFaintPraise looked over]]. It doesn't help that most Unova Pokémon (especially the likes of Hydreigon and Scrafty) are [[{{Nerf}} affected in]] [[BadassDecay the worst]] [[TierInducedScrappy way possible]] by the updated type chart and game mechanics of Gen VI as well as not getting Mega Evolution with the exception of [[TierInducedScrappy Audino]], further generating more unnecessary hate towards this generation's set of Pokémon as a result[[note]]although some Pokémon, such as Bisharp and Serperior, became notably better in Gen VI[[/note]].

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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: The "new Pokémon only" Pokédex, initially one of the games' biggest selling points, became a common point of derision after the release of ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY''. Some fans find it hard to come back to ''Black'' and'' White'' due to the lack of familiar faces, especially since none of the Unova Pokémon became significant {{Breakout Character}}s like Lucario did in Gen IV; furthermore, the Nintendo WFC shutdown makes it more difficult to obtain old Pokémon via trades or hacking[[note]]i.e. before clearing the main story and, for some mons such as the old starters and legendaries and even [[SeriesMascot Pikachu]], without owning the required Gen IV game[[/note]]. The story is still widely regarded as the best in the series, but [[PlayTheGameSkipTheStory often]] [[DamningWithFaintPraise often looked over]]. It doesn't help that most Unova Pokémon (especially the likes of Hydreigon and Scrafty) are [[{{Nerf}} affected in]] [[BadassDecay the worst]] affected]] in [[TierInducedScrappy the worst way possible]] by the updated type chart and game mechanics of Gen VI as well as not getting Mega Evolution with the exception of [[TierInducedScrappy Audino]], further generating more unnecessary hate towards this generation's set of Pokémon as a result[[note]]although some Pokémon, such as Bisharp and Serperior, became notably better in Gen VI[[/note]].



* ToughActToFollow: The reception amongst the majority of the fandom has made this one of the most adored versions since ''Gold and Silver''. In particular, the protagonists, [[OurDragonsAreDifferent version mascots]] and [[TheWoobie N]] are ''[[EnsembleDarkhorse incredibly]]'' popular, and lots of the new Pokémon are well-designed and have decent to great stats, abilities and movepools. The story's about as strong as a Pokémon game's ever been, plus everything's been streamlined from battles to the tutorial. [[VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2 And follow it they did]], [[VideoGame/PokemonXAndY twice]]. While [[VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2 the direct sequels]] [[BrokenBase have been argued to]] [[{{Sequelitis}} suffer from this very trope]], [[VideoGame/PokemonXAndY the Generation VI games]] are more well-liked - fans tend to prefer the gameplay and generation-spanning Pokédex of Gen VI, even if its characters and story haven't garnered as much attention as the ''Black'' and ''White'' characters when they were first introduced.

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* ToughActToFollow: The reception amongst the majority of the fandom has made this one of the most adored versions since ''Gold and Silver''. In particular, the protagonists, [[OurDragonsAreDifferent version mascots]] and [[TheWoobie N]] are ''[[EnsembleDarkhorse incredibly]]'' popular, and lots of the new Pokémon are well-designed and have decent to great stats, abilities and movepools. The story's about as strong as a Pokémon game's ever been, plus everything's been streamlined from battles to the tutorial. [[VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2 And follow it they did]], [[VideoGame/PokemonXAndY twice]]. While [[VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2 the direct sequels]] sequels [[BrokenBase have been argued to]] argued]] to [[{{Sequelitis}} suffer from this very trope]], [[VideoGame/PokemonXAndY the Generation VI games]] games are more well-liked - fans tend to prefer the gameplay and generation-spanning Pokédex of Gen VI, even if its characters and story haven't garnered as much attention as the ''Black'' and ''White'' characters when they were first introduced.



** Eelektross may be a giant [[FlyingSeafoodSpecial levitating]] [[PsychoElectricEel Psycho Electric Lamprey]], but the little dance it does in its sprite animation is both [[CrowningMomentOfFunny hilarious]] and cute.

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** Eelektross may be a giant [[FlyingSeafoodSpecial levitating]] levitating]], [[PsychoElectricEel Psycho Electric Lamprey]], but the little dance it does in its sprite animation is both [[CrowningMomentOfFunny hilarious]] and cute.
21st Apr '16 6:23:23 PM Darthrai
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** This generation made [[SeriesMascot Pikachu]] more infamous for being the franchise's main SpotlightStealingSquad. While Pikachu and its evolutionary line are unobtainable in ''Black'' and ''White'', the ''Pokémon'' franchise outside the games continued to market it heavily. This was especially jarring for some due to the fact that it was the ''only'' old Pokémon in said marketing[[note]]aside from Meowth in the anime[[/note]], yet was often the most prominent, making its appearances seem forced.

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** This generation made [[SeriesMascot Pikachu]] more infamous for being the franchise's main SpotlightStealingSquad. While Pikachu and its evolutionary line are unobtainable in ''Black'' and ''White'', the ''Pokémon'' franchise outside the games continued to market it heavily. This was especially jarring for some due to the fact that it was the ''only'' old Pokémon in said marketing[[note]]aside from Meowth in the anime[[/note]], yet was often the most prominent, making its appearances seem forced.[[WolverinePublicity forced]].
21st Apr '16 6:21:47 PM Darthrai
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** This generation made [[SeriesMascot Pikachu]] more infamous for being the franchise's main SpotlightStealingSquad. While Pikachu and its evolutionary line are unobtainable in ''Black'' and ''White'', the ''Pokémon'' franchise outside the games continued to market it heavily, which was especially jarring for some due to the fact that it was the ''only'' old Pokémon in said marketing[[note]]aside from Meowth in the anime[[/note]], yet was often the most prominent, making its appearances seem forced.

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** This generation made [[SeriesMascot Pikachu]] more infamous for being the franchise's main SpotlightStealingSquad. While Pikachu and its evolutionary line are unobtainable in ''Black'' and ''White'', the ''Pokémon'' franchise outside the games continued to market it heavily, which heavily. This was especially jarring for some due to the fact that it was the ''only'' old Pokémon in said marketing[[note]]aside from Meowth in the anime[[/note]], yet was often the most prominent, making its appearances seem forced.
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