History YMMV / PokemonBlackAndWhite

21st Jan '18 5:28:23 AM SkylaNoivern
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** [[GildedCage N's Room]] [[spoiler:and his sheltered upbringing]] have a few hints of him being a {{Manchild}}. Fans, however, tend to exaggerate these hints and combine it with TheDitz, despite N actually being quite intelligent when it comes to science.
20th Jan '18 5:37:16 PM SkylaNoivern
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** The battle theme used for BOTH Bianca and Cheren sounds WAAAAY too peppy and joyful to even remotely suit Cheren. ''Black 2 and White 2'' didn't bother to fix this either.
** N's full name.

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** The battle theme used for BOTH Bianca and Cheren your two rivals does suit Bianca, but sounds WAAAAY too peppy and joyful to even remotely suit Cheren. ''Black 2 and White 2'' didn't bother to fix this either.
** N's full name.
either.
17th Jan '18 9:04:36 AM SkylaNoivern
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** Some people really feel like since Karen didn't do a good enough job back in 2000, that N needed to be a lot more Anvilicious about the StopHavingFunGuys who only see Pokémon as tools.

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** Some people really feel like since Karen didn't do a good enough job back in 2000, that N needed is this to be a lot more Anvilicious about the StopHavingFunGuys who only see Pokémon as tools.



** This is part of the backlash against Zorua and Zoroark; they were promoted in such a way that they were obviously meant to emulate the success of Lucario, but their event-exclusivity and [[QuirkyBard gimmicky ability]] were taken as JumpTheShark moments for how Game Freak and Nintendo promoted the new "badass" face of Pokemon. This has since been scaled back, as Game Freak seems to have realized that Lucario is a ToughActToFollow and stopped promoting Zoroark in the same way.



* ToughActToFollow: This is generally seen as the reason why the game's brand-new Pokédex of new 150+ Pokémon didn't catch on with as many people as hoped. Some fans suspect that ''Black'' and ''White'' were an attempt at SequelDisplacement a la ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'', and tried to be the biggest, best and freshest games at the time in order to become a new gold standard for the franchise - a sentiment echoed by Junichi Masuda's belief that the games were his "masterpiece". However, the ''Pokémon'' franchise had had its heyday with the "Pokémania" of ''VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue'', and many first-generation creatures such as Pikachu and Charizard were not just popular video game monsters, but icons of pop culture. The Unova dex had an uphill battle ahead of it by attempting to displace the Pokémon that everyone knew and loved, and while the decision was praised by dedicated fans, it was lambasted by others and gave the games as a whole an unnecessarily "alien" feel that undermined their appeal. This was not helped by the fact that many of the individual Pokémon species (such as the starters and Zoroark) also suffered from this trope compared to their older counterparts.

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* ToughActToFollow: This is generally seen as the reason why the game's brand-new Pokédex of new 150+ Pokémon didn't catch on with as many people as hoped. Some fans suspect that ''Black'' and ''White'' were an attempt at SequelDisplacement a la ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'', and tried to be the biggest, best and freshest games at the time in order to become a new gold standard for the franchise - a sentiment echoed by Junichi Masuda's belief that the games were his "masterpiece". However, the ''Pokémon'' franchise had had its heyday with the "Pokémania" of ''VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue'', and many first-generation creatures such as Pikachu and Charizard were not just popular video game monsters, but icons of pop culture. The Unova dex had an uphill battle ahead of it by attempting to displace the Pokémon that everyone knew and loved, and while the decision was praised by dedicated fans, it was lambasted by others and gave the games as a whole an unnecessarily "alien" feel that undermined their appeal. This was not helped by the fact that many of the individual Pokémon species (such as the starters and Zoroark) also suffered from this trope compared to their older counterparts.



** Zoroark is also often confused to be a female due to its long ponytail, despite the species having a rare chance of being female.



** [[spoiler:N - his father could give [[VideoGame/PokemonColosseum Cipher]] a run for its money in sheer callousness. That's grounds for a hug right there. And Concordia's words just make it even sadder: "N's heart is pure and innocent. But there is nothing more beautiful and terrifying than innocence."]] He's also a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds.

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** [[spoiler:N - his father [[spoiler:N. Ghetsis could give [[VideoGame/PokemonColosseum Cipher]] a run for its money in sheer callousness. That's grounds for a hug right there. And Concordia's words just make it even sadder: "N's heart is pure and innocent. But there is nothing more beautiful and terrifying than innocence."]] He's also a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds.
17th Jan '18 8:47:02 AM Chasem
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* CounterpartComparison: Reshiram and Zekrom are frequently considered the Pokémon equivalents of [[Franchise/YuGiOh Blue-Eyes White Dragon and Red-Eyes Black Dragon]]. However, because REBD is weaker than BEWD and breathes fire, some fans suggest [[VideoGame/PokemonXAndY Mega Charizard X]] as an alternative to the latter, which more closely resembles REBD's spiky, demonic design.
6th Jan '18 3:08:06 PM SkylaNoivern
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** Technically, all of his actions in the game are [[KickTheDog kicking the dog]]. Considering [[spoiler:the only reason ''N exists in the first place'' was to [[ItsAllAboutMe achieve his selfish desires]], he's crossed the MoralEventHorizon ''long ago before the game even started.'']]

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** Technically, all of his actions in the game are [[KickTheDog kicking the dog]]. Considering [[spoiler:the only reason ''N exists ''he adopted N in the first place'' was to [[ItsAllAboutMe achieve his selfish desires]], he's crossed the MoralEventHorizon ''long ago before the game even started.'']]
3rd Jan '18 3:16:03 PM SkylaNoivern
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*** Long before Red and Blue even started, considering N's age (he looks to be at the very least 15), and the amount of time between those games and Black and White is a mere 7 or 8 years. And who knows how long Team Plasma was alive before N was crowned.

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*** Long before Red and Blue even started, considering N's age (he looks is confirmed by WordOfGod to be at the very least 15), 20 years old), and the amount of time between those games and Black and White is a mere 7 or 8 years. And who knows how long Team Plasma was alive before N was crowned.
30th Dec '17 5:44:04 PM rjd1922
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* NightmareRetardant:
** [[{{Mondegreen}} Mishearing]] the [[OminousLatinChanting Ominous Chanting]] in [[spoiler: Ghetsis's]] battle theme turns perhaps the Biggest Bad in the series to date into "DEEEEEENNIS".

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NightmareRetardant: [[{{Mondegreen}} Mishearing]] the [[OminousLatinChanting Ominous Chanting]] in [[spoiler: Ghetsis's]] battle theme turns perhaps the Biggest Bad in the series to date into "DEEEEEENNIS".
11th Dec '17 10:11:03 AM N8han11
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** Oshawott's family. Some people love the otter unconditionally, while others think it has the stupidest character design and lamest evolutions ever.

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** Oshawott's family. Some people love the otter unconditionally, while others think it has the stupidest a stupid character design and lamest evolutions ever.design, with the evolution into into the quadrupedal, Sea Lion-esque Samurott being especially contested.



** Cheren. Many feel it's annoying that he shows up after almost every Gym battle to challenge you and is also present for a good half of the game, has a somewhat uninteresting subplot that's full of {{Wangst}}, and is touted as being a better trainer than Bianca and potential champion, even though he's terrible at battling.
6th Dec '17 10:09:29 AM Chasem
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* FaceOfTheBand: A negative example, in that widely-hated Gen V Pokémon like Garbodor, Klink and Vanillish are most often brought up by "genwunner"-type fans when talking about the games, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeOS8gK2OZE such as in this Fox ADHD music video]].
2nd Dec '17 3:39:45 PM Tenma-Yuuki
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* MondeGreen: What in the world is the ominous-sounding chant in Ghestis' theme? His Japanese name? The word "penance"? Or, as the fans like to joke, his true name, "DENNIS"?
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