History YMMV / PokemonBlackAndWhite

1st Jul '17 3:45:11 PM wedward
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** [[spoiler:The final battle with N. His legendary dragon can be easily defeated by your own due to Artificial Stupidity (it loves to use its signature move, which you're resistant to and can power up your ''own'' dragon's signature move as well), and most of his other Pokémon can be one-shotted with the proper type matchups. Then you face the ''real'' Final Boss, who isn't nearly as much of a pushover...]]

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** [[spoiler:The final battle with N. His legendary dragon can be easily defeated by your own due to Artificial Stupidity (it loves to use its signature move, which you're resistant to and can power up your ''own'' dragon's signature move as well), and most of his other Pokémon can be one-shotted with the proper type matchups. Then [[SubvertedTrope Then]] you face the ''real'' Final Boss, who isn't nearly as much of a pushover...]]
19th Jun '17 8:15:58 AM TheNerfGuy
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* VindicatedByHistory: Controversial as they may have been, in the half-decade since their release the hatred of ''Black and White'' has lessened considerably. Many fans are thankful that the games have some of the best plots and characterisations of the series, and the great amount of postgame content for a generation's maiden pair of games. Though, another major reason is that any controversy they may have had has been overshadowed by those of the sixth generation games and '''especially''' ''Sun and Moon'', all three of which are heavily criticised for their lackluster difficulty and increasingly shallow postgames, and many fans feel that the amount of things ''Black and White'' removed from the series pale to that of ''Sun and Moon''.
17th Jun '17 9:35:24 PM Desdar300
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* VindicatedByHistory: Controversial as they may have been, in the half-decade since their release the hatred of ''Black and White'' has lessened considerably. Many fans are thankful that the games have some of the best plots and characterisations of the series, and the great amount of postgame content for a generation's maiden pair of games. Though, another major reason is that any controversy they may have had has been overshadowed by those of the sixth generation games and '''especially''' ''Sun and Moon'', all three of which are heavily criticised for their lackluster difficulty and increasingly shallow postgames, and many fans feel that the amount of things ''Black and White'' removed from the series pale to that of ''Sun and Moon''.

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* VindicatedByHistory: Controversial as they may have been, in the half-decade since their release the hatred of ''Black and White'' has lessened considerably. Many fans are thankful that the games have some of the best plots and characterisations of the series, and the great amount of postgame content for a generation's maiden pair of games. Though, another major reason is that any controversy they may have had has been overshadowed by those of the sixth generation games and '''especially''' ''Sun and Moon'', all three of which are heavily criticised for their lackluster difficulty and increasingly shallow postgames, and many fans feel that the amount of things ''Black and White'' removed from the series pale to that of ''Sun and Moon''.
2nd Jun '17 4:48:02 AM SpinAttaxx
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** Bug type. In previous generations "new Bug type pokemon" usually meant "A bunch of earlygame bugs, usually early evolving as well, whose stats just plain suck. Also, half of them is Bug/Flying, a typing with some very unfortunate weaknesses (rocks, fire, ice, and electricity being standouts), another half is Bug/Poison" The only ones that are at least playable were Scyther/Scizor, Nincada family, Heracross and Pineco/Forretress. Prior to generation IV, the fact that Bug just sucks was also supported by them having no attacks. What did Black and White do? They introduced ''eighteen'' bugs. All of them with great stats. Not a single one evolves early. Around half of them have new typings. Three of them are Bug/Steel (only one weakness). Scolipede is able to learn freaking ''Earthquake'' and ''Rock Slide''. Galvantula gets a STAB Thunder with ''much better'' accuracy thanks to Compoundeyes. Durant has crazy-awesome attack power with its Hustle ability, albeit with a little less accuracy, and it gets even better with Hone Claws, which boosts Attack and Accuracy. And it, too, can learn Rock Slide. Escavalier is a defensive powerhouse that can absorb blows and hit like a train, while Accelgor is a blisteringly fast special attacker with great offensive stats. Even Leavanny, in spite of its poor defensive typing, can easily clobber a wide variety of foes with moves like Leaf Blade and X-Scissor, and also packs a quadruple resistance to Earthquake. Volcarona has the awesome Quiver Dance and a solid Base 80 signature move which has a pretty good chance of boosting its Special Attack. Volcarona is really close to being a legendary, seeing as there's one in the whole game sitting in a tower at level 70, like all legendaries do. And that's a shame, because the title of the first legendary Bug-type in the series goes to Genesect, also introduced in this generation. "Bug trainer" is no longer a stigma.

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** Bug type. In previous generations "new Bug The Bug-type was slowly getting better in Gen IV with stronger moves like X-Scissor and U-Turn, but these games gave the type pokemon" usually meant "A bunch of earlygame bugs, usually early evolving as well, whose stats just plain suck. Also, half of them is Bug/Flying, a typing serious boost with some very unfortunate weaknesses (rocks, fire, ice, and electricity being standouts), another half is Bug/Poison" The only ones many new Bug-types that are at least playable were Scyther/Scizor, Nincada family, Heracross and Pineco/Forretress. Prior to generation IV, the fact that Bug just sucks was also supported by them having no attacks. What did Black and White do? They introduced ''eighteen'' bugs. All of them weren't {{Crutch Character}}s, with great stats. Not a single one evolves early. Around half of them have new typings. Three of them are Bug/Steel (only one weakness). Scolipede is able to learn freaking ''Earthquake'' stats, movepools, and ''Rock Slide''. Galvantula gets a STAB Thunder with ''much better'' accuracy thanks to Compoundeyes. Durant has crazy-awesome attack power with its Hustle ability, albeit with a little less accuracy, and it gets even better with Hone Claws, which diverse types beyond Flying or Poison (as well as the type's first {{Olympus Mon|s}} in Genesect). The introduction of [[StatusBuff Quiver Dance]][[labelnote:*]]which boosts Attack and Accuracy. And it, too, can learn Rock Slide. Escavalier is a defensive powerhouse that can absorb blows and hit like a train, while Accelgor is a blisteringly fast special attacker with great offensive stats. Even Leavanny, in spite of its poor defensive typing, can easily clobber a wide variety of foes with moves like Leaf Blade and X-Scissor, and also packs a quadruple resistance to Earthquake. Volcarona has the awesome Quiver Dance and a solid Base 80 signature move which has a pretty good chance of boosting its Special Attack. Volcarona is really close to being a legendary, seeing as there's one in the whole game sitting in a tower at level 70, like all legendaries do. And that's a shame, because the title of the first legendary Bug-type in the series goes to Genesect, Attack, Special Defense, and Speed[[/labelnote]] also introduced in this generation. "Bug trainer" is no longer a stigma.allowed past Bug-types to stand up better, particularly ones with Baton Pass.



** And that doesn't count some of the previous generation bugs - Butterfree, Beautifly, Masquerian, Venomoth and Dustox all got the amazing Quiver Dance, which boosts Special Attack, Special Defense and Speed. Masquerian and Venomoth also have Baton Pass to deliver potentially game-breaking Quiver Dance bonuses to their allies.



** The Kami trio have gotten some SERIOUS hate for how [[UndergroundMonkey similar]] their sprites are. Their bodies and postures are exactly the same, with the only differences being color, tail and mustache.

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** The Kami trio have gotten some SERIOUS hate for how [[UndergroundMonkey similar]] their sprites are. Their bodies and postures are exactly the same, with the only differences being color, tail and mustache. The introduction of their more diverse Therian formes in the sequels caused the hate to die down (or in Landorus' case, gain hate [[TierInducedScrappy for a different reason]]).



** Since the Global Link was opened, people have been getting mad at Fennel if they can't access the Dream World, thanks to her [[http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n573/AuraChannelerChris/Fennel-1-1.png taunting expression]].

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** Since the Global Link was opened, people have been getting got mad at Fennel if they can't couldn't access the Dream World, thanks to her [[http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n573/AuraChannelerChris/Fennel-1-1.png taunting expression]].



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: N's navelgazing about the relationship between Pokémon and humans would provoke a good deal of analysis about the sentience and free will of Pokémon, as well as how it could possibly be symbiotic when humans depend on Pokémon for everything from construction work to conflict resolution. Shame that the franchise is built up on cutesy animals blindly following your every command to win. Even more of a shame that N is in the wrong due to being ''specifically raised'' to believe that philosophy.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Given what Genesect is -- a PrehistoricMonster revived and turned into a cyborg by Team Plasma, only for the project to be cancelled by N out of disgust -- you'd expect it to have some role in the plot. Unfortunately, because it's a [[TemporaryOnlineContent Mythical Pokémon]], it has no role in this game or the sequels beyond a side event where you get the Drives.[[labelnote:*]]And even then, only two. And the sequels don't even let you get the opposite set![[/labelnote]] What's more, unlike [[BloodKnight Mewtwo]], little to nothing about Genesect's personality is revealed in its Pokédex entries beyond reminders that Team Plasma made it (at best, ''Black'' mentions [[TheDreaded it was feared in its era as the strongest of hunters]]).
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N's navelgazing about the relationship between Pokémon and humans would provoke a good deal of analysis about the sentience and free will of Pokémon, as well as how it could possibly be symbiotic when humans depend on Pokémon for everything from construction work to conflict resolution. Shame that the franchise is built up on cutesy animals blindly following your every command to win. Even more of a shame that N is in the wrong due to being ''specifically raised'' to believe that philosophy.
9th May '17 5:45:18 PM compactwave
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* ReplacementScrappy: Many people saw Iris as this, seeing as she would star in the anime instead of the playable female from the games. RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap might take effect, however, as she has been [[spoiler:confirmed to be the White version's final Gym Leader, training Dragon-Types]]. And again, as the ''Black and White'' season of the anime began to [[DorkAge draw tons of fan criticism]], thus making many fans indifferent to whether Hilda would have appeared or not (some were even glad that she didn't appear).

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Many people saw Iris as this, seeing as she would star in the anime instead of the playable female from the games. RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap might take effect, however, as she has been [[spoiler:confirmed to be the White version's final Gym Leader, training Dragon-Types]]. And again, as the ''Black and White'' season of the anime began to [[DorkAge draw tons of fan criticism]], thus making many fans indifferent to whether Hilda would have appeared or not (some were even glad that she didn't appear).


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* VindicatedByHistory: Controversial as they may have been, in the half-decade since their release the hatred of ''Black and White'' has lessened considerably. Many fans are thankful that the games have some of the best plots and characterisations of the series, and the great amount of postgame content for a generation's maiden pair of games. Though, another major reason is that any controversy they may have had has been overshadowed by those of the sixth generation games and '''especially''' ''Sun and Moon'', all three of which are heavily criticised for their lackluster difficulty and increasingly shallow postgames, and many fans feel that the amount of things ''Black and White'' removed from the series pale to that of ''Sun and Moon''.
29th Mar '17 5:28:00 PM ZombieAladdin
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** Unova is based on New York City. What is the cookie most associated with the metropolitan area? The [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_and_white_cookie black and white cookie]].
24th Mar '17 8:12:12 AM CJCroen1393
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* ShipMates: It's a pretty popular practice for those who ship N with the player character to also ship Cheren and Bianca, sometimes making them the BetaCouple.
9th Mar '17 2:58:26 PM toregg
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** Not to mention the PokeTch in Gen IV was a very useful system - checking the Pokemon in your party's health, a daycare checker to see if you have a egg created... None of this is in Gen V.
6th Mar '17 8:32:03 AM Cadmus90
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** [[spoiler:Was Team Plasma sans Ghetsis truly a StupidGood group of {{well intentioned extremist}}s who thought they were doing the right thing à la N, or were some in on Ghetsis's true intentions and merely playing up the facade in order to gain brownie points from the guy when he finished his conquering? The Sages at the very least seem aware, since they slip up occasionally and refer to Ghetsis as their leader (followed by him correcting them that he's one of the Sages and supposedly no more powerful than the rest of them). Similarly, they hint that N's desire to fight the player is interfering with Ghetsis's plans. Then there's the fact that the Shadow Triad is loyal to Ghetsis even after he reveals the truth... The two grunts who kick the Munna early on hint that they were aware that Ghetsis was lying.]]

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** [[spoiler:Was Team Plasma sans Ghetsis truly a StupidGood group of {{well intentioned extremist}}s who thought they were doing the right thing à la N, or were some in on Ghetsis's true intentions and merely playing up the facade in order to gain brownie points from the guy when he finished his conquering? The Sages at the very least seem aware, since they slip up occasionally and refer to Ghetsis as their leader (followed by him correcting them that he's one of the Sages and supposedly no more powerful than the rest of them). Similarly, However, some of the Sages also imply that they hint that N's desire to fight did at the player is interfering very least support treating Pokemon with Ghetsis's plans.respect rather then as tools, with Bronius in his last conversation with you before being taken away by Looker even denouncing those who use Pokémon selfishly. Then there's the fact that the Shadow Triad is loyal to Ghetsis even after he reveals the truth... The two grunts who kick the Munna early on hint that they were aware that Ghetsis was lying.lying, though some of the random grunts in their dialogue do also imply supporting N's ideals.]]
4th Mar '17 6:51:38 PM MayIncon
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* FandomRivalry: Generation V has one in general with [[VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue Generation I]]. This rivalry started back when ''Pokémon Black'' and ''Pokémon White'' came out, mostly due to "genwunners"[[note]]fans who only like the first (sometimes second) generation of Pokémon and hate later generations on principle[[/note]] trashing the Generation V Pokémon and [[NostalgiaFilter comparing them unfavorably to their childhood favorites]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UO5jJ7ICYtc to near-memetic levels]]. Later, ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'' pacified the "genwunners" by [[PanderingTotheBase deliberately tapping into their Gen I nostalgia]]; however, this didn't stop Unova fans from still being bitter towards Gen I and its fanbase in general, which they began to express more vocally due to criticism over ''XY''[='s=] game design. Some of the more vocal Gen V fans dislike anything that appeals to old-school fans on principle, such as the aforementioned ''XY'' and ''VideoGame/PokemonGo'', and wish that the franchise would ignore their nostalgia and instead focus on constantly innovating and being fresh like ''Black'' and ''White'' were at the time. This has also resulted in rivalries between fans of specific games, such as ''XY'' vs. ''VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2''.

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* FandomRivalry: Generation V has one in general with [[VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue Generation I]]. This rivalry started back when ''Pokémon Black'' and ''Pokémon White'' came out, mostly due to "genwunners"[[note]]fans who only like the first (sometimes second) generation of Pokémon and hate later generations on principle[[/note]] trashing the Generation V Pokémon and [[NostalgiaFilter comparing them unfavorably to their childhood favorites]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UO5jJ7ICYtc to near-memetic levels]]. Later, ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'' pacified the "genwunners" by [[PanderingTotheBase deliberately tapping into their Gen I nostalgia]]; however, this didn't stop Unova fans from still being bitter towards Gen I and its fanbase in general, general since most things associated with Gen V are getting shafted during the Gen VI era, which they began to express more vocally due to criticism over ''XY''[='s=] game design. Some of the more vocal Gen V fans dislike anything that appeals to old-school fans on principle, such as the aforementioned ''XY'' and ''VideoGame/PokemonGo'', and wish that the franchise would ignore their nostalgia and instead focus on constantly innovating and being fresh like ''Black'' and ''White'' were at the time. This has also resulted in rivalries between fans of specific games, such as ''XY'' vs. ''VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2''.
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