Discussion Film / TheForceAwakens

Haven't been able to confirm this, but I remember reading somewhere that, according to the script, Luke's reaction to Rey was because he knew exactly who she was and what her presence there meant.

Or something. It was a pic I saw online, but I can't seem to find it anymore.

I don't really know if Kenny Baker was "in" this film. He was the "R2-D2 Consultant", but he isn't an actor. The Artoo used is remote-controlled.

Could anyone clarify the line about "the first ever Scottish accent to be heard in Star Wars" please? I reckon Darth Sion has a better claim in Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords

Maz Kanata's dive bar withstood over a thousand years of shady characters and whatever drama attended them... only to be reduced to rubble within minutes of hero arrival. I recognize a trope there, but I am having trouble putting a name to it, maybe because it's a subtrope of something more general.

Granted, our heroes are hunted, which means they're disaster magnets. However, there's some extra irony in having survived for so so long only to be wrecked as soon as the plot runs over it.

What is the best way to deal with things that are revealed in the book and/or the official screenplay in the wiki sections?

I think the book and the screenplay lend some depth and understanding of some scenes, but some of what they go into isn't so explicitly confirmed or denied in the movie itself, and at the very least the book was based off an older version of the script.

How I would do it is have any tropes be centered around what happens in the movie, but if there is some added information from the book or screenplay, to put that either as an add-on sentence, or in parenthesis. Is there an official guideline for it?

Now that the film has been out for a while, what are the things that we should still put in spoilers on pages for this movie that require it?

There are definitely some things that should continue to be spoiler tagged, but I've noticed more than a few places where the spoiler tagging is a little ridiculous, and sometimes even for things that were either pretty obvious or revealed in the trailers.

For example, in the Characters: The First Order section, for the character JB-007, the line quoted for him tends to be written thus: "I will tighten those restraints, scavanger scum!" Now, I can definitely understand some parts of the character and his scene should be spoiler tagged, but that quote seems a bit ridiculous.

Re: the following entry under Shout-Out:

• Another anime reference comes in the scene when Han is confronting his son Ben alias Kylo Ren about Snoke's true motives. Sound familiar?

Han Solo: Snoke is using you for your power. When he gets what he wants, he'll crush you. You know it's true.

Compared to a line in the DIC Entertainment/Cloverway English dub of Sailor Moon R: Promise of the Rose...

Sailor Mars: You're the one who's been tricked! Kisenian wants to rule alone. She'll destroy you, Fiore. Once she gets what she wants, you're history and Darien will be too!

It... seems like a real stretch to call that an intentional Shout-Out as opposed to a coincidental similarity, unless someone can cite Word of God or some other evidence to support it.

I don't want to get into an Edit War about it, though, as it's been taken down and put back up at least once, so I wanted to bring it up here before removing it again.

Wait, is it now confirmed that Kylo Ren's real name is Ben Organa, not Ben Solo?

Rey being left with (and assumed cared for) by the "portions guy" on Jakku, is rather similar to Anakin being raised by Watto. Not sure if that belongs anywhere, just tossing it out there.

I see a few things about Kylo Ren "unwittingly unlocking Rey's Force abilities", this strikes me as conjecture. My reasoning:

• Rey flies the Millennium Falcon with no training (Akin to Anakins's "Jedi Reflexes" allowing him to pod race in The Phantom Menace.)
• She has a reaction to Luke's Lightsaber, which calls to her.
• After the reaction Maz tells her to close her eyes and let the force flow through her, (Akin to Obi Wan telling Luke to use the helmet with the blast shield down in A New Hope.)

All of the above happens before Rey meets Kylo Ren.

So the force could have been awake in her already or activated by any of those previous encounters. So I vote for removing Nice Job Fixing It, Villain and anything that refers to Kylo as enabling the Force in Rey.

Hey everybody. I was just curious if someone could help me with a potential entry.

"For the 'Force for Change' charity promos, Mark Hamill does his promo while walking around Hollywood in Stormtrooper armor, 38 years since he worn one the first time."

What tropes would this entry be under?

I know I heard the number 47 somewhere in the film. With the exact reference, would that qualify for The 47 Society?

On BB-8 "clearly" giving Finn a thumbs-up: To me, he clearly was giving Finn a vulgar middle-finger-analog gesture. Finn just coerced BB-8 into forking over classified information to keep up his masquerade by putting the little ball on the spot in front of an unsuspecting Rey. And his choice of little tools with which to make the responding gesture was a little blowtorch. Typically, fire is not something nice in such a context.

Can Rey count as an Audience Surrogate of sorts? Just the way she acts kinda screams over-excited, dedicated Star Wars fan. Eating with a Rebel Pilot helmet, nerding out with the Original Power Trio... you get where I'm going.

The scene with the Baton Stormtrooper (nicknamed "TR-8R") who fights Finn could be a case of One-Scene-Wonder or Memetic Bystander?

The following was entered under Composite Character:

• Composite Character:
  • Poe borrows most of Leia's place in the story A New Hope combined with Han's dashing attitude and Luke's flying skills.
  • Rey has Han's piloting skills, Leia's intensity, and Luke's strength in the Force.
  • Finn shares Luke's eagerness to save others combined with Han's Badass Normal skills.
  • Maz Kanata shares Yoda's ancient alien background and Lando's history as a colleague smuggler of Han's.

This is not what the trope Composite Character is about. Composite Character is about the distillation required when adaptating a work from a Loads And Loads Of Characters medium into an adaptation without sufficient time and space for all of them—the example given is Real Life as real life has more characters than you can fit into a movie.

The Force Awakens is not an adaptation of anything but is an original work. The examples cited above are basically new characters that folks perceive as having character traits from earlier Star Wars movies. That may or may not be lack of originality, but it isn't Composite Character.

Under the trope "The War Has Just Begun" it says "We have just merely witnessed the opening shots of the Second Galactic Civil War." I thought they were 2 coexisting governments. like I don't think we'd call Britain vs France a civil war is what I mean. I'm not saying that the page is wrong I'm trying to get the facts for myself. Is my impression wrong? is there something in like books that expands on this? I'm not gonna read em so yeah

Vader's status in context.

So, I need help. I know there's a trope at hand, here, but I can't narrow it down. Basically, the writers, confronted with the fact that any villain they could write in couldn't even hope to stand in Vader's shadow, they made Vader's iconic status part of the story in context. What should that trope be? I thought of Real Life Writes the Plot and Ascended Meme, but they don't seem to match. Do we even have a trope for this? If not, I feel we should.

Since the page is still locked, can someone add this later?

• Portmanteau: Kylo. Skywalker + Solo.

Seeing how the heroes have until the Starkiller base finishes slurping a star to stop it from firing again, should we add Race Against the Clock to the examples?

Several tropers keep adding either Kylo Ren as The Dragon or him and Hux as Co-Dragons.

This is part of a widespread pattern of misuse of The Dragon as "the Big Bad's top enforcer or second in command." The Dragon is a pre-existing term going back to Joseph Campbell that is defined (at least here for troping purposes) as the penultimate challenge or obstacle which tests The Hero's worthiness before they face the Big Bad.

As the Big Bad (Snoke) has not yet been faced, we do not yet know who The Dragon of this new trilogy is. It might be Kylo Ren, it might be someone else, or there might be no Dragon at all in this story (although that last is pretty unlikely considering how closely Star Wars hews to Joseph Campbell). I'm of the opinion that it will likely be the first, but that's speculation and doesn't belong on the example list yet.

I've added a commented-out note to that effect in the hopes that it will stem this particular misuse.

"Dameron" isn't a fantasy name. J.J. Abrams added the name as a call-out to one of his assistants. http://www.empireonline.com/movies/news/exclusive-jj-abrams-assistant-morgan-dameron-oscar-isaac-poe-took-name/

[[Spoiler:About Han's fate...should it be said firmly he's dead?]] There's huge debate raging over it because we only know that all the cast is returning in ep 9...contrary to a trope in Han's section, no one knows yet if [[Spoiler:Han]]will be in flashbacks or they'll pull a miraculous save because there's no Word of God yet.

Moderator Note: All articles under this title have been preemptively locked against early-bird spoilers. They will be unlocked after opening weekend.

When will all these locks be removed?!!

On second viewing, it's certainly a Whole-Plot Reference for A New Hope, however this is ironclad Tropes Are Not Bad here.

There was no avoiding the new Star Wars Villains being accused of being a Darth Vader knock off. So I think it was a brilliant move for TFA to make that part of the plot, he's a Darth Vader Clone In-Universe

Who was the girl wearing black and white who was cuddling with the big alien in Maz's bar and then went and informed the First Order that the droid was there? She looked familiar, though I'm not sure if it's a famous cameo or just an actress who looks like another actress.

Could we perhaps remove the reference to Finn being a "fledgling Jedi" in Contrasting Sequel Main Character (and, by proxy, Rey being more a more powerful Jedi than him)?

No crawl at the top for this one?

Should we add Rule of Three for Rey needing to take three times to do the Jedi mind trick on the guarding stormtrooper?

Is Luke's beard an example of a Badass Beard or a wizened old man beard (who happens to be a warrior priest)?

I don't know if there's going to be conflict over this but count my vote for the new page quote.

Tropers who want to add, but cant, please take the time NOW to understand this page is going to go nuts with lockouts once it is opened. To help out on this now, you can:

• Get a head start now by typing up your changes separately in the Wiki Sandbox or in a text file on your desktop, then cut and paste them over when the editing is opened up. Remember, this is not a race to see who adds the trope first.
• When the article opens, PLEASE DON'T READ OVER THE ARTICLE IN EDIT MODE. This locks out the article for a while and there may be a line waiting to add tropes as you're reading - while on most trope pages this is not a problem it is a problem when a work is popular. Read the article in normal mode until a week or so has passed, use paper and a pencil to make notes on stuff to do. Then get in, do your edits, get out. The article will be up for years and years, there will be time when the hype dies down for you to give an in-depth going-over.

Just to clarify, the Red-Armed C-3PO images are real. They come from an official merchandise leak that happened a few weeks ago. The mug that came from Mexico is questionable, but the images are the real deal.