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open Edit war
It's about Daenerys Targeryen again.
The original entry by Eolewyn 1010 here:
- Daenerys has this at least In-Universe: Missandei, Grey Worm and, to a degree, even Varys constantly tell people that she is a great queen with a sense for justice, Jorah Mormont more than once states she has a "gentle heart". Except this is the very same queen who feeds men to her dragons, commenting that they very well "could all be innocent" of the crime she accuses them of, brings hundreds of thousands of raping and killing warriors into her native land so that they may raid the country and people and burns defeated enemies alive because they refuse to bow to her. Daenerys even has this on herself, as she keeps telling that she will "break the wheel", meaning the social structure that suppresses many people in favor of few others, but at the same time she conquers lands, destroys fleets and ground and kills hundreds of people in order to become queen - thus, their superior.
Deleted by White Wolf 4961 with the reason "This is all clearly anti Dany. Besides that one master, when has she ever fed people to her dragons? And she didn’t bring the Dothraki to rape and pillage with impunity. In fact she was horrified at what they did to that village in S1. Besides what she’s done is hardly any different to what other “good leaders” like the Starks have done."
Re-added by Nerdanel Noldo with the reason "Restoring this because the reasons it was deleted are incorrect. This is not Anti-Daenerys, it's stating what she did in the show. Aside from downplaying the horrific things Daenerys did, the previous editor said that the starks did horrible things too, which they did not, but this ignores the point: the starks weren't continously described as having a 'gentle heart' and being so kind and compassionate, unlike Daenerys."
I'm honestly exhausted with Daenerys arguments at this point, but I think it's worth noting that Nerdanel has a history of edits that seem to slant towards an anti-Dany bias. This, this, and and this are all deletions made in Sansa's defense (some of which may be okay, but Sansa isn't absolutely blameless in some of her Season 8 actions), and the edit reasons are filled with insults at Dany. This, too, but the first sentence in the edit reason is "The whole entry is just stupid."
Also, imo, Nerdanel's edit reasons tend to be filled with misinformation or misinterpretation that seems deliberate. The aforementioned entry talks about Dany being cruel for crucifying people, leaving out that said people murdered children and slaves and did the same thing to them. This one calls Mirri Maz Duur an innocent, leaving out that she killed Dany's unborn child. This and this, though, are just so blatantly incorrect and I daresay trying to defend Viserys, of all people, saying he "was good to Dany for years" (he constantly abused and sexually assaulted her) and didn't sell Dany to Drogo, and that it was just an arranged marriage. (So, I guess that "I would let all 10,000 Dothraki and their horses fuck you" comment just never happened.) It honestly feels like they're trying to undermine the things Dany suffered through just because they don't like her.
Edited by iamconstantineopenSimplifying elements of an article? Anime
This isn't about any particular work, just entries in general.
I've been looking through the Non-Serial Movie page and Alternate Continuity page and am wondering how to make some entries easier to understand for people unfamiliar with Long Runner and/or complex franchises.
I obviously don't want to get into an Edit War, but at the same time, want the entries to be understandable.
I've seen Administrivia.How To Write An Example, but this is about more specialized usage and chronology of works.
Is this a good idea or not?
Asking before this goes to Short-Term Projects on here.
Edited by Merseyuser1openNot tragic enough for STSD?
According to the description for Shoot the Shaggy Dog, the example should not just have the story rendered meaningless but also end tragically. However, I found this on the Live-Action TV subpage:
- Community:
- "VCR Maintenance and Educational Publishing": The books the group fought over are misprints with no page numbers and not worth anything, meaning the group turned on each other for nothing.
(The indentation is because there's a second example.)
I'm not sure if this is tragic enough to qualify for Shoot The Shaggy Dog. If it isn't, it should probably be moved to "Shaggy Dog" Story. I have seen the episode and there are no long-lasting effects of the happenings.
What do you say?
openDisputes on some Jerkass Has a Point examples
On some pages related to Helluva Boss, two Jerkass Has a Point entries were deleted by King Lyger with the explanation "Jerkass Has a Point is in-universe only".
This is the first of these two examples, which was posted on Characters.Helluva Boss:
And here's the other, which was posted on Recap.Helluva Boss S 1 E 3 Spring Broken.
Honestly, having seen the episode, I think viewers are meant to agree with both of these. What say you guys? And should we bring King Lyger in for this discussion?
openMessy ymmv page. Webcomic
So I was cleaning up unapproved Magnificent Bastard wicks when I found uh this ymmv page at Down the Hatch
Which is uh a mess....
openRestore a work page
I know that the page for Power Rangers Dino Fury was deleted for not having a release date, but in a bit of irony one was just announced today: the first and second episodes are set to air on Feb 20th and 27th respectively. In light of this, can the page be restored?
open Power Rangers Dino Fury Live Action TV
We just got the release date for episodes 1 and 2. Can someone please restore the page?
openforum glitch?
On the main forums page, the Wiki Talk subforum has been bumped to the top of the left-hand side, and the timestamp listed for the latest post is a few hours ahead of the current time. Entering the Wiki Talk subforum shows no new threads or posts. Anyone know what's going on there?
edit: As I posted this, someone made a new post there, which set it back to normal (the timestamp of their post is now the one listed on the main forum page)
Edited by TwiddleropenWhere do I post questions about differences between tropes?
While I've been a Troper for a few years, I haven't used the forums or other resources on the site for much. I've noticed two tropes that seem practically identical and I would like to ask for clarification on how these two tropes are different. Where do I go on this site to post this question?
Edited by inquisitor1586openEdit War over spoiler tag on YMMV/Genshin Impact
Courtesy link here.
On February 2, GodSammit added a spoiler tag for one of the bosses, which is understandable because said boss is sort-of a spoiler for anyone not familiar with the game.
Then coconutkirin removed the spoiler tag with an edit reason: "Childe being a boss isn't a spoiler".
Stage7-4 re-added the spoiler tag with this edit reason: "Childe might be old news to some, but him being an arc villain for the Liyue chapter is a minor plot twist. And this YMMV page doesn't have an unmarked spoiler warning, so for the consideration of other tropers the Golden House boss identity will be hidden. Since this is now an edit war, take it to the forums for any further discussion on this point."
Since Stage7-4 acknowledged they're engaging in an Edit War, I think we need to give them a tap.
openNo Title
Not sure if this is a problem or not, but The Lord Yoinketh Away has been removing references to Lily Orchard, Lindsay Ellis, and Doug Walker from various YMMV pages.
Here are some examples of this.
Edit history for the troper in question.
Like I said, sorry if this isn't a problem.
openWhat's the difference between Action-Adventure games and Action RPGs?
Like the title asks, the difference between Action-Adventure and Action RPG can be a bit hard to tell at times. They're definitely both real genres that exist and, for some games, it's easy to tell the difference (Metal Gear Solid is action-adventure, Final Fantasy VII is an RPG). However, there's also a certain gray area where the two intersect, and I've seem some games that have been labeled as both.
For example, Illusion of Gaia is described in its trope page as an Action-Adventure with RPG elements, but it's also placed on the Action RPG index. World of Mana is currently present in both indexes. Crystalis is one that I've seen labeled as both by different people. The Legend of Zelda is generally agreed upon to be an Action-Adventure series, but I've seen some label the first game as an Action RPG. The list goes on.
So, I've come here to ask. Where does the difference lie?
openWeird Edit to Human traffickers
So in the main article of Human Traffickers someone added this.
If, after having read the above, you feel like this trope is focusing on the negative more than you think it should, you're probably thinking of Underground Railroad.
What the hell does this Mean ? It's literally a trope based on slavery and sex trafficking. What positives can their be so what does this paragraph mean ?
openTroper reverted one of my edits
Genre Turning Point was recently added to No Recent Examples, Please! with a 10 year time limit, and thus I have removed examples less than 10 years old.
Unfortunately, AD Something 54 has now reverted all of my edits to Music with no edit reason at all.
I would like to know if it is OK to revert his edit back, since the trope now disallows recent examples.
openConcern about a troper’s grammar
Maronmario keeps editing with poor grammar. They acknowledged the last notifier I sent, but as seen here, their grammar is still not up to par.
openAvengers 1000000 B.C. Print Comic
I just found Avengers 1000000 BC, a page which was created almost a month ago.
And I'm not sure why the page itself exists, as Avengers 1000000BC isn't a work, it's a group of characters that have appeared in various works (8 major appearances in 3 different works, and 6 minor appearances in 3 different works if the Marvel wiki is to be believed).
So I don't get why they have their own page, and not just have their tropes listed on either a character page, or just the relevant tropes listed in the pages of the work's they've appeared in.
openContinuity Nod vs. Mythology Gag Western Animation
Whenever one of the various My Little Pony: Equestria Girls work makes a reference, shout-out or nod to the parent show My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic, there tends to be some hesitations between putting them either in Continuity Nod or Mythology Gag.
I personally tend to favor Mythology Gag, leaving actual nods to previous Equestria Girls products to Continuity Nod, but I'd like other opinions here.
Edited by StFanopenEdit War in YMMV/FinalFantasyXV Videogame
Immortal Bear re-deleted an entry I restored to Final Fantasy XV since their original deletion lacked an edit reason. They've provided an explanation after the fact, but most of it comes off as personal opinion and dislike of the Episode Ignis ending for reasons unrelated to what the original entry was about (that being that audience perception of its tone shifted due to Dot F), rather than an impartial collective observation of the reactions of the fandom at the time.
I've PM'd them as much, pointing out to them that they seem to take the YMMV label too literally as its actual focus is to describe audience responses to a work rather than to post personal opinions, that contrary to their belief the page is not trying to wage a war over which ending is objectively better, and I've also pointed out to them that though they claim the only people with a non-negative opinion are a Vocal Minority, other tropers have made the same observations as me regarding the state of the fandom at the time.
They seem to believe that because Dawn of the Future has an overall score of 9.0 on Good Reads (which often has a userbase culture distinct from the social media sites I frequent like Twitter, Tumblr, Reddit, or imageboards, and whose score doesn't always take into account things like the specific comparative tone of the ending), while Episode Ignis rates an average of 7.0 (the score again mostly focusing on things like gameplay rather than tone), that it invalidates everything I've said above, since I don't have hard sources on hand for every tweet or social media comment I've seen regarding people being softer on Episode Ignis's ending or disliking Dawn of the Future's approach.
I don't think that makes for an effective counterargument as YMMV does not mandate sources in general, and Dawn of the Future's perception outside of GR tends to attract a lot of negativity in its own right, not to mention disregarding said potential inherent selection bias (the people posting reviews were probably accepting enough of the controversies around the book to read through the whole thing). The reviews themselves on GR are variable with many positive scores criticizing the ending, and many reviews that praise the ending having mediocre scores on the whole.
None of the arguments they've provided contradict the initial point (that people's opinions of Episode Ignis became less hostile once Dawn of the Future was announced) of nor justify the deletion of the entry describing how people's hostility to a certain alternate ending seen as overly happy, dipped off once another, even happier ending showed up. Especially since the edit reason for deleting it is focused mostly on arguing why Alternate Ending #1 is badly written and any talk of audience reactions is more about pointing out that a portion of the audience exist who liked the other newer, even happier ending, even though the original entry never claimed otherwise or to speak for the entirety of the fandom.
Update: They are now accusing me of outright lying and being biased in favor of one ending for disputing their deletions, despite the major issues here having to do with a lack of, followed by questionably irrelevant removal reasons in what is a potential edit war. Update 2: They've taken it back after I explained myself further.
Edited by AlleyOop
When listing the various (voice) actor/actress's roles, should it be sorted alphabetically by work title or the character name? Or by the work's release date?