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This thread is for tropers who have trouble with English and would like some help with the crazy grammar of this crazy language.

Write down what you wish to edit on the wiki. If you have been suspended from editing, another troper might be kind enough to edit for you after your suggestions have been corrected.

The thread is for help and feedback on your own suggested edits.

If you want help correcting other people's edits (e.g., if you find a page which seems to have grammar problems but want a second opinion, or you don't feel able to fix it by yourself) then that's off-topic here, but we have a separate Grammar Police cleanup thread that can provide assistance.

Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 16th 2023 at 5:37:57 PM

MichaelKatsuro Since: Apr, 2011
#8551: Nov 28th 2020 at 8:54:21 AM

IMO, your Spider-Man example is fine.

jOSEFdelaville Since: Dec, 2018
#8552: Nov 28th 2020 at 10:05:50 AM

Anything to correct here?

Henry Stickmin Series - Character (Mr. Macbeth)

  • BFG: He owns a futuristic rifle that can shoot an array of bullets, a accurate thin laser or a giant laser blast.
  • Energy Weapon: His gun can shoot lasers of different sizes.

Animator Vs Animation - Characters (Victim)

  • Identical Stranger: He have the exact same appearence of the Chosen One but they are different persons with different powers.

Joueur du Grenier

  • Art-Style Dissonance: Antoine Daniel's PSA about the four magical gems looks straight out of a children cartoon and depicts the gems as a group of friends, the red gems introduce himself and the other gems and explain that collecting them all allow them grant any wish, including destroying the universe, then the gems are shown dancing in circle and singing about how they will destroy the universe while keeping their cute voices.
  • Bait-and-Switch: The description of the Instruments of Chaos Starring Young Indiana Jones review says that "this video may contain a cameo". At the end of the video, Fred's ancestor, Archibald Von Grenier admits that he's not actually Fred's ancestor and asks him to pay attention on the initials of "Archibald Von Grenier" (with a little emphasis on Grenier's letter N), Fred then lists the letters A, V, G and N and exclaims "Wait, you are..." only for Archibald to reveal himself as an alien named "Alpha V de Gelganech" who is not related to the Angry Video Game Nerd in any ways. Fred is then stuck with a dumbfounded expression for the rest of the video.

Madness Combat - Trivia

  • Fan Nickname: The art-style of the new character sprites introduced in DedmosRebuilt is nicknamed the "Dissenter style" by fans, even though Dissenter is the second episode to use these new sprites.

MikeySpletzer That Blue Inkling from Inkopolis Since: Oct, 2020
That Blue Inkling
#8553: Nov 28th 2020 at 11:23:58 AM

For SMG4's Mario Bloopers - Nightmare Fuel:

  • Titular Mario's mask from "Mario's Mask Of Madness" has funny effect (Mask Wearer act like Mario, whose Ax-Crazy nature was Uped To Eleven), but it also has Painful Transformation. Remember Saiko's transformation in "The Festival Of The Year"? It seems as painful!
    • Also, mask meant to have an intelligence, because it's trying to wear herself on anyone. Talk about Demonic Possession...

And Heartwarming moments:

If I have mistakes, correct them and add, plz.

Edited by MikeySpletzer on Nov 28th 2020 at 10:25:19 PM

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MichaelKatsuro Since: Apr, 2011
#8554: Nov 28th 2020 at 11:31:10 AM

Mikey: I don't have time to fix the grammar right now, but the indentation is wrong.

Nazetrime from Some obscure French suburb Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#8555: Nov 28th 2020 at 12:34:59 PM

I need an extra opinion about something. Another troper and I are both editing a lot on a particular page. A result of this is that we are often tweaking or adding to each other's entries. Some time ago, the other troper did an edit in which they used the word "preoccupied" to mean "already occupied [doing something]". I recently changed that to "busy", because, to my knowledge, most English speakers will sponateneously understand "worried"/"deep in thought [about something]" if they see the word "preoccupied", regardless of context. The intended meaning, meanwhile, seemed a little too arcane for a sentence of which the gist is "X was already too busy with work to help Y do Z".

The other troper seems to consider that change unnecessary, and is dead certain that plenty of readers would be able to figure out the proper meaning from context, which mentions the large amount of work the "X" character has to deal with. They seem to consider this on par with changing "funny" to "strange".

My personal cutoff for the obscurity of a word's meaning is that if the first (eventually second to third) online dictionnary coughed up by a search of the word doesn't mention that meaning, I'm not using it in that sense for a wiki entry. The other troper's intended meaning for "preoccupied" didn't pass that test. Because of this, I'm kind of curious about how well-known that meaning is among English speakers.

Edited by Nazetrime on Nov 29th 2020 at 8:58:19 PM

wingedcatgirl I'm helping! from lurking (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Oh my word! I'm gay!
I'm helping!
#8556: Nov 28th 2020 at 12:37:56 PM

"Preoccupied", to me, means "distracted with worry", not "busy". Perhaps the other troper was thinking of just "occupied"?

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Nazetrime from Some obscure French suburb Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#8557: Nov 28th 2020 at 12:52:17 PM

Without quoting them exactly, they were definitely using "preoccupied" as a single word that would mean "already occupied". It came up in our exchange because I pointed out the "worried" meaning I had personally picked up in my edit reason.

Edited by Nazetrime on Nov 28th 2020 at 10:13:04 AM

Bubblepig Boon Pink from Sentai universe (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
#8558: Nov 28th 2020 at 3:07:20 PM

Hey there, I need your help with my example for Run because I am adding context to The Reveal trope.

Old version of the example:

My version:
  • The Reveal: The real Chloe died two hours after she was born and the one we been following along was kidnaped as a bay by Diane as a baby.

Edited by Bubblepig on Nov 28th 2020 at 3:08:40 AM

“Boom! Boomboom! Boomboomboom! Bakuage Tire! Gogogo!"
MichaelKatsuro Since: Apr, 2011
#8559: Nov 28th 2020 at 4:34:07 PM

bubblepig: The real Chloe died two hours after she was born, and the one we've been following was kidnapped as a baby by Diane.

Bubblepig Boon Pink from Sentai universe (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
#8560: Nov 28th 2020 at 6:01:14 PM

[up]Oh ok, thank you for helping me. smile

“Boom! Boomboom! Boomboomboom! Bakuage Tire! Gogogo!"
Minorica Rhythm Heroine from Earth Since: Dec, 2019 Relationship Status: It's so nice to be turned on again
Rhythm Heroine
#8561: Nov 28th 2020 at 11:51:37 PM

For MGCM:

  • Circling Birdies: When one or more heroines or demons receive stun debuff, they don’t just have stars, but also golden Omnises (instead of birds) flying around their heads.

Edited by Minorica on Nov 30th 2020 at 5:06:12 PM

"No matter how bad the heroes can get or how bad the situation is, we're sure we can overcome it and get our happy endings..."
Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#8562: Nov 29th 2020 at 6:01:19 AM

From page 342 @jahman wrote:

Okay @Arvine, fixed it, but what about my Worf Had the Flu example?

The huge number of posts being added here very day fills up the page at high speed.

In order to save space, I only include in my posts the content that has errors and needs fixing. I edit out the rest. If I don't respond to part of your post, it means that part is O.K.

Edited by Arivne on Nov 29th 2020 at 6:02:23 AM

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#8563: Nov 29th 2020 at 6:11:18 AM

[up] x 10 @Mikey Spletzer

  • Titular Mario's mask from "Mario's Mask Of Madness" has a funny effect (the Mask Wearer acts like Mario, whose Ax-Crazy nature was Uped To Eleven), but it also has a Painful Transformation. Remember Saiko's transformation in "The Festival Of The Year"? It seems as painful!

^ The last sentence only makes sense if the reader is familiar with "The Festival Of The Year", so it should be cut as per How to Write an Example - Don't Refer to Other Items on the Page.

  • Also, the mask is meant to have an intelligence, because it's trying to be worn by anyone. Talk about Demonic Possession...

MichaelKatsuro is correct. Please read the page Example Indentation. It is improper to have a example at the second (or lower) level of indentation (two asterisks) by itself.

The real problem is that the two examples are really just one example split into two parts. They should be joined together into one example on the same line, like this:

  • Titular Mario's mask from "Mario's Mask Of Madness" has a funny effect (the Mask Wearer acts like Mario, whose Ax-Crazy nature was Uped To Eleven), but it also has a Painful Transformation. Also, the mask is meant to have an intelligence, because it's trying to be worn by anyone. Talk about Demonic Possession...


In "Mario's Mask Of Madness", Axol pushes Meggy away and is possessed by the mask instead of her.

Edited by Arivne on Dec 1st 2020 at 8:28:55 AM

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#8564: Nov 29th 2020 at 6:42:38 AM

[up][up][up] @Minorica

When one or more heroines or demons receive a stun debuff, they don’t just have stars on their heads, but they also have golden Omnises (instead of birds) flying around their heads.

^ You only needed one "flying around their heads", so the other was redundant.

Edited by Arivne on Nov 29th 2020 at 6:44:27 AM

Bootlebat Since: Dec, 2012
#8565: Nov 29th 2020 at 5:16:40 PM

Probably a dumb question but is it grammatical to write "I like both, for different reasons"? Someone I talked to said I should write "each" instead of "both", so I'm not sure. Also should "both/each" have a comma or no?

wingedcatgirl I'm helping! from lurking (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Oh my word! I'm gay!
I'm helping!
#8566: Nov 29th 2020 at 5:21:18 PM

"Both" is only correct if you're referring to exactly two items. "Each" is correct regardless of the number.

I would write that with a comma, but I think it'd still be correct without one.

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Melinda Since: Dec, 2019 Relationship Status: Puppy love
#8567: Nov 29th 2020 at 6:08:05 PM

I've got more stuff I'm waiting to post that I care about more than the last stuff I posted yesterday. If I don't have a reply to yesterday's by tomorrow morning, then I'll write it off and post my new stuff anyway.

Minorica Rhythm Heroine from Earth Since: Dec, 2019 Relationship Status: It's so nice to be turned on again
Rhythm Heroine
#8568: Nov 29th 2020 at 8:24:50 PM

For MGCM:

For Trope Launchpad proposal:
"Mistaken for Bad Vision":
That moment when you see something weird, incomprehensible or even Makes Just as Much Sense in Context, you need to clean your glasses with a handkerchief, for those who wear glasses, clean your eyes with your hands if you don’t, or you need to go to the doctor to check your eyesight to see whether it is alright.

This is often Played for Laughs and used for some awkward situations.

For the extreme versions, go to Brain Bleach and These Are Things Man Was Not Meant to Know, as this trope isn't related to things that are too horrifyingly creepy, dangerous or squicky.

Related to Did You See That Too?.

Compare Seen-It-All Suicide, when the person decides to off themselves after seeing something weird. Compare and contrast Through the Eyes of Madness, when those tropes apply to someone who has an actual eyesight problems Unrelated to Blind Without 'Em.

Edited by Minorica on Nov 30th 2020 at 11:05:17 PM

"No matter how bad the heroes can get or how bad the situation is, we're sure we can overcome it and get our happy endings..."
MichaelKatsuro Since: Apr, 2011
#8569: Nov 29th 2020 at 9:25:01 PM

Melinda: I saw nothing that has to be corrected. It's good to go.

Melinda Since: Dec, 2019 Relationship Status: Puppy love
#8570: Nov 29th 2020 at 9:45:41 PM

Thanks Michael. Let's hope that the same is true of this next batch.

@ Total Drama

  • The early eliminations of B and Dawn are both fairly sad. Both are exceptionally competent and likable competitors who display feelings of confusion and dejection after their friends are turned against them by Scott's lies.

@ Kingdom of Heaven

    English Sergeant 
Played by: Kevin McKidd
The second-in-command of Godfrey's band of crusaders.

  • Dropped a Bridge on Him: The sergeant is established as a veteran warrior and friend of Balian's father, only to presumably drown in a shipwreck after just a few scenes.
  • No Name Given: His real name is unknown.
  • Number Two: The sergeant is Godfrey's efficient and loyal second in command.

@ Honeymoon in Vegas

  • Hilarious in Hindsight: Chief Orman rambling about his love of musicals to a frustrated Jack got even funnier after Honeymoon in Vegas itself was adapted into a Broadway musical.

@ Night Of The Demons

  • Former Teen Rebel: Helen's mother used to be an "acid head" and still has a strobe light from her reckless youth. 

Edited by Melinda on Nov 30th 2020 at 11:20:00 AM

Strafe2409 Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#8571: Nov 29th 2020 at 10:30:16 PM

For Honkai Impact 3rd's YMMV page:

  • Rita's superior, Durandal, is an even more mixed bag in this regard. On the one hand, her character is enjoyable to play, not to mention that she is surprisingly cordial in her bridge interactions. But when it comes to her characterization in the main story, it leaves much to be desired. In the second act of Chapter 15, in particular, Kiana questions her why she is still working with Schicksal, despite her boss Otto is responsible for the mess happened in Chapter 8 and 9. Only for Durandal to counter-questions her on who would protect the billions of humans from the Honkai if not Schicksal, acknowledging that there is no clear-cut right or wrong in this situation, but rather what needs to be done. From this moment alone, many people question her character: is Durandal a soldier who is just doing her job through and through despite knowing that Otto being responsible for Kiana's awakening as the Herrscher of the Void, or she deliberately dodges the point entirely and suppresses the truth behind the Honkai Eruption by stating the Schicksal's strengths but nothing of its darker aspects?note  Not helping in this matter that Otto groomed her to become a great Valkyrie since her adolescence, implying that he instilled her with the belief that Schicksal is ultimately "doing all of this" for humanity's betterment and has never seen how other people from the other group work. No matter which way you look at her character, the consensus from the fanbase and the player base alike agreed that Durandal is a powerful but incredibly naive and hypocrite who never understands the main characters and major supporting characters' pain and suffering, as well as a person who never feel what it was like to lose someone she loved and cared about; even some of them calling her an "idiot" at best and "outright malicious" at worst.

benzboagr Since: Aug, 2019
#8572: Nov 30th 2020 at 7:33:47 AM

In the Loop

  • Foil:
    • Malcolm Tucker and Linton Barwick. Malcolm is a bonafide Sir Swears Alot, angry and often verbally abusive towards his subordinates, while Barwick dislikes swearing, acts friendly and calm, but is completely disconnected from reality. Both have master the art of spin; except Barwick, fully believes his own lies.
    • Generel Miller and Simon Foster. Simon is The Ditherer, while Miller is fully committed to resigning to try to stop the war. Best shown by their attitude towards Malcolm; Simon is terrified of him, while Miller has no problem insulting him to his face. In the end though, Miller backs out of resigning at the last moment, while Foster finally decides to do so...but is fired by Malcolm and intimidated into leaving quietly. The epilogue shows Foster suck back in his constituency over septic tanks, and Miller stuck in a conference with Barwick over what should be approved on the soldiers DVD roster.

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#8573: Nov 30th 2020 at 10:48:26 AM

[up] x 5 @Minorica

Although you can customize the heroines' dresses or even dress skins for the gameplay, the story cutscene shows that...

...you need to clean your glasses with a handkerchief, for those who wear glasses, clean your eyes with your hands, or you gotta need to go to the doctor <- no comma to check your eyesight to see whether that it is all right.

^ "gotta" and "need" mean pretty much the same thing, so you shouldn't use both of them.

...as this trope isn’t related to things that are too horrifyingly creepy, dangerous or squicky.

Edited by Arivne on Nov 30th 2020 at 10:49:11 AM

Arivne Since: Jan, 2001
#8574: Nov 30th 2020 at 10:52:21 AM

[up] x 4 @Melinda

...after Honeymoon in Vegas itself is adapted into a Broadway musical.

^ Changed verbs from past to present tense as per How to Write an Example - Write in Historical Present Tense.

Edited by Arivne on Nov 30th 2020 at 10:52:32 AM

MichaelKatsuro Since: Apr, 2011
#8575: Nov 30th 2020 at 11:03:36 AM

[up] Actually, in that particular example, Honeymoon in Vegas getting turned into a musical happened for real, so I thknk that should read "Chief Orman rambling about his love of musicals to a frustrated Jack got even funnier after Honeymoon in Vegas itself was adapted into a Broadway musical."

As far as I know, we don't use historical present tense about real-life occurrences.


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