Regarding the Trivia namespace (crowner switched 20th Jan 2020)

Should Long-Runners, and some or all of its sub-tropes and sub-pages, be moved to Trivia? The fact that a comic strip has been running since the 1930s is not a "convention or tool in storytelling", it's just an accident of history.

EDIT: OK, actually Long-Runners is an index page, but I think my question still applies to those related tropes (Long-Runner Cast Turnover, Long-Runner Line-up, Long-Runner Tech Marches On).

Edited by FactoidCow on May 7th 2020 at 9:53:34 AM

Well I went through and un-bibbled the crowner, at least.

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The fact that a work has been consistently telling new stories for 100 years is something that can be determined by the work itself, it does not require access to outside information.

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But that doesn't make it not trivia.

Trivia isn't always external to the work, it's external to the work's narrative. The fact that a comic has been running for over 100 years might be impressive, but that in and of itself isn't a narrative pattern. It's not a trope. Therefore, it must be trivia.

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I highly doubt those works' creators knew they'd go on for that long, or if they even intended for it to happen. I'm in favor of making it Trivia.

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The narrative has been running for over 100 years. Whether the Creator is/was a pantser or plotter is irrelevant to the work that you can observe.

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You ignored WarJay's reply to you and skipped to my post. As she said, the narrative's longevity doesn't make said longevity a narrative pattern.

Plenty of In Memoriam^note Declared Trivia by this thread in 2014, according to the history for Main.Trivia examples appear in the work, to the point of being more prominently stated than how long a work has been running, but it's still classified as Trivia.

Edited by GastonRabbit on May 12th 2020 at 10:49:44 AM

Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.

I'd like to discuss Get Back in the Closet, which I only just now saw was on the crowner. I don't know how this thread normally works, but in this case all that happened was someone said "this should be trivia" and it was added without discussion. IDK, I think GBITC is worth discussing. It may need TRS.

Looking over some of the examples on the page and a few on the wicks list, this doesn't seem to be relegated, in practice, to outside knowledge. People seem to use this trope as "these elements are added by Executive Meddling or to appease Moral Guardians because of homophobia." This may overlap with But Not Too Gay / But Not Too Bi with a sprinkling of Hide Your Lesbians, and I can see arguments in both directions for it being redundant or alternatively being a supertrope of Hide Your Lesbians.

That said, this could have suffered trope decay. IDK honestly. The description seems to be too focused on the rating behaviors of Moral Guardians or executives whereas most of the examples I can find focus on the content that was changed for the sake of age ratings.

Here's some of what is on the page and in the wick list. A work would suffer from Get Back in the Closet...:

• When there was Homoerotic Subtext between two characters in one installment but then in later installments something is changed to make it impossible to explore the subtext, e.g., the player character is gender locked in later installments.
• When an LGBT character comes out only to immediately be Put on a Bus. If they return, their love interest is Put on a Bus or one or both of them are killed.
• When an adaptation suffers from She's a Man in Japan or Discount Lesbians (e.g. the gender or the species being changed).
• When the English dub edits something out, e.g., an Accidental Kiss in Naruto, due to concerns of an age rating boost.

These all seem to be elements of a regular trope, imo.

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This Trope Repair Shop post recommendeds that Ascended Meme should be Trivia, and I agree with it, considering Ascended Fanon, Meme Acknowledgement, and Promoted Fanboy, which are similar to Ascended Meme, are all Trivia. Thoughts?

Edited by FernandoLemon on May 15th 2020 at 12:22:19 PM

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... Ascended Meme isn't trivia already?

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No, it's not.

I'd like to apologize for all this.

I recently resumed some TRS cleanup for Suddenly Voiced, which underwent Launch Displacement, after putting it off for a few months. Since this trope applies to characters getting voice acting, should it be trivia?

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Not necessarily. It can be used for dramatic impact. The Warrior of Light speaking at the end of Shadowbringers springs immediately to mind.

e: Strike that, the example I have in mind is Suddenly Speaking. Hm.

Edited by wingedcatgirl on May 30th 2020 at 6:03:16 AM

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I've always thought Timeshifted Actor should go in trivia, since it's entirely about more than one actor playing a character over a certain timespan. The character is the same; the trope is all about the casting.

Man of a Thousand Faces is somehow not a Trivia, even though it's about an actor's ability to change their appearance so drastically that they are unrecognizable in different works, and this has no real bearing to the actual work they appear in. I've added the option in the crowner if that's OK.

Edited by Adept on May 21st 2020 at 11:11:39 PM

I didn't ignore them. I emphasized narrative to reflect their writing. A pattern is something that repeats. A narrative is the structure of a story. We identify mediums as part of the structure, we identify genre as part of the structure, we identify format as part of the structure, and therefore we identify length as part of the structure. That length is something that repeats. It is also something we can determine from the context of the work itself.

Doorstopper is to a single book as Long Runner is to a franchise. Short Film and Short-Runners exist in relation to feature-length films and Long Runners.

In Memorandum should be listed as a Sub-Trope for Special Thanks because both include a dedication/thanks to people that affected the creator(s) while developing the work. If "Dedicated to Carl" refers to a living or dead person is not answerable from the context of the work itself, which is why the trope was voted to be trivia.

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My point still remains though; tropes directly affect storytelling or gameplay in some way. As in, they have some noteworthy in-universe effect with meaning or purpose conveyed to the audience. A work existing for a really long time doesn't directly affect the story (the narrative), at least not in any sense that's apparent in the actual work proper.

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Relatedly, is there a reason Long-Runner Cast Turnover isn't trivia, or have we just not gotten around to evaluating it yet?

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Director Displacement... Trivia... Not YMMV?

It's about crediting...

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It's actually about someone other than the director being seen as the creator of a work, making it an Audience Reaction.

It was brought up on Ask the Tropers that One-Book Author should be trivia.

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- I'd agree with One-Book Author being like One-Hit Wonder and that both should be Trivia.

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I agree that One-Book Writer should be trivia.

I recommend designating Divided for Publication as trivia.

So, Orphaned Series (and its fanfic counterpart, Dead Fic).

This is trivia, surely? The fact that an author isn't working on a work anymore is hardly a storytelling convention, right?

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I think Dewey Defeats Truman and The Great Politics Mess Up should be merged with the Hindsight tropes (Harsher in Hindsight, Hilarious in Hindsight, "Funny Aneurysm" Moment, etc.), since most of the examples could fall under one of those tropes

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