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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#325076: Sep 26th 2022 at 9:49:12 AM

  • 1492: Adrián de Moxica is imagined as Columbus' archenemy, a Spanish blackguard who immediately sees it fit to start indiscriminately slaughtering native tribes the second he has pretext to. Swayed against this by Columbus, Moxica enslaves the natives instead, lopping off the hand of one who fails to bring him any gold. Moxica attempts to lead a bloody mutiny against Columbus and commits suicide after spite when this fails, mocking Columbus over how his dreams of a new Eden have failed.

nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#325077: Sep 26th 2022 at 9:49:50 AM

[tup]Monday, Night-Plague, & Doji (Kinda embarrassing, I got into Bakugan before I wver got into Pokemon as a child)

Edited by nwotyzal on Sep 26th 2022 at 9:50:03 AM

Libraryseraph Showtime! from Canada (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
Showtime!
#325078: Sep 26th 2022 at 9:49:52 AM

I'm fine with keeping Rekka

Absolute destiny... apeachalypse?
MasterJoseph Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object from Not telling. Since: Mar, 2018
Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object
#325079: Sep 26th 2022 at 10:03:47 AM

Doing a tally of votes regarding Rekka

Keep: 3

Cut: 3

Edited by MasterJoseph on Sep 26th 2022 at 11:37:51 AM

IPP Wick Check created.
Iceaura39 from Where joy and happiness go to cry (Petty Master) Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
#325080: Sep 26th 2022 at 10:06:04 AM

  • Metal Fight Beyblade: Doji, the leader of the Dark Nebula, aims to sow darkness across the world. Invading Koma Village with Ryuga to steal the forbidden bey, L-Drago, he seemingly causes Gingka's father to die. In the present, he forces Kyoya to work with him and puts him through a life-threatening training program so he can use him to defeat Gingka. Upon failure, he injures Kyoya and invites the heroes to challenge him at the Dark Nebula Castle, awakening Ryuga and L-Drago. Recruiting more bladers into the Dark Nebula, he feeds their souls to L-Drago if they fail him. He opens Battle Bladers, allowing powerful bladers to enter so L-Drago can absorb their power. Though Doji himself eventually suffers the same fate, he is revived along with everyone else killed by L-Drago and lays low until Metal Fury, where he assembles the Nemesis Bladers and revealing his ultimate goal - to awaken Nemesis. Provoking Ryuga into the battle that would cause his death, he sadistically mocks him all throughout it for having been his pawn, right up until the impact of the forbidden beys clashing pushes him off a cliff, during which he cackles, claiming it's the best feeling in the world.

Edited by Iceaura39 on Sep 26th 2022 at 5:16:54 PM

It is I, the narrator, categorising addict and writer of books you haven't read.
ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#325081: Sep 26th 2022 at 10:21:38 AM

Drafts please guys.

Also, Dark Nebula has its own page.

I can't remember if I voted on Rekka, but I'm officially abstaining.

I guess we use Beyblade: Metal Fusion as the title, since that's what it's known by in the West?

Edited by ACW on Sep 26th 2022 at 1:26:31 PM

CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Iceaura39 from Where joy and happiness go to cry (Petty Master) Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
#325082: Sep 26th 2022 at 10:31:13 AM

Metal Fusion is only the name of the first season. The saga as a whole is either the Beyblade Metal Saga or Metal Fight Beyblade.

Edited by Iceaura39 on Sep 26th 2022 at 5:31:24 PM

It is I, the narrator, categorising addict and writer of books you haven't read.
G-Editor Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#325083: Sep 26th 2022 at 10:53:26 AM

Okay so looking back at Rekka and unless I'm forgetting anyone he had 18 [tup] and zero [tdown]

Now with the re-evaluation on Rekka, there is 3 voting to cut Rekka subtracting his tally to 15, 2 abstaining and 2 voting to keep Rekka and since Library didn't vote before I'm adding their vote to the tally thus putting Rekka at 16 [tup] against 3 cuts.

Really here the factors that would still allow Rekka to remain for this trope is that he's ranked much lower than Simure in White-Clad and thus has less resources to work with being a lowly Serial Killer, along with his other atrocities to differing himself from Simura including incinerating a mother right in front of her child, traumatizing the kid, framing an innocent teenage girl (Tamaki) for his atrocities while having beaten her up near death, and trying to blow up a building containing Tamaki, Shinra, his squad trying to apprehend him and the remaining children in his last ditch efforts to kill them all. Again this could go either way and whatever the verdict may, it is what it is (here's the post where I first brought up Rekka to be considered to get cut)

[down] and with that puts the total to 17 against 3

Edited by G-Editor on Sep 26th 2022 at 1:55:16 PM

Awesomekid42 Lord of Hell Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: It was only a kiss
Powermaster201 The Emperor of Evil! Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
The Emperor of Evil!
#325085: Sep 26th 2022 at 10:57:16 AM

Don't forget to vote on my proposal guys. Not trying to force everyone to vote, I just don't want it to be forgotten or ignored.

Edited by Powermaster201 on Sep 26th 2022 at 1:57:45 PM

therealjackieboy Carrot Clone from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Carrot Clone
#325086: Sep 26th 2022 at 11:04:04 AM

[tup] Night-Plague

"It doesn't matter anymore. You win. It is Duck Season."
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#325087: Sep 26th 2022 at 11:05:27 AM

[tup]Night.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#325088: Sep 26th 2022 at 11:09:07 AM

[tup] to The Great Question, Amos Burton, Adrian de Moxica, Extreme, Mr Monday, Doji and the Night-Plague.

G-Editor Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#325091: Sep 26th 2022 at 12:13:32 PM

Yes to the Night-Plague, and I've had this EP written up since yesterday, so I'll post it now while I have free time:

What's the setting?

I'm willing to gander most people in this thread have at least heard of Hayao Miyazaki's Castle in the Sky, which tells the story of a long-lost princess returning to the ancient floating city Laputa, which she was destined to rule over by birthright. The film scored us Ghibli's only Complete Monster, the nasty-ass Colonel Muska, who indeed was one of the very few pure evil villains Hayao Miyazaki ever wrote (excluding production where he was co-director, like the first Lupin III series). The man despises Black-and-White Morality as a form of simplistic moral storytelling. The only other genuinely evil villain I've known of Miyazaki's is the eponymous count from Lupin III The Castle Of Cagliostro who simply never escapes standard villainy.

Well, back to Castle in the Sky...Hayao Miyazaki's debut as a solo director wasn't on a movie, but on a series from the 70s that Sky owed a ton of influence to. The series we're talking about today is Future Boy Conan, a loose adaptation of The Incredible Tide. And among other distinctive elements that originated in Conan that would later crop up in Sky, Muska himself is an expy of an equally irredeemable (and very similarly named) villain.

What has Lepka done?

Lepka is the Chief of Administration in Industria, one of the last remaining bastions of human civilization after a gigantic war wiped out half the world. Industria is, for all its advanced technology, a polluted Wretched Hive on the precipice of disaster due to natural disasters. Lepka ostensibly serves the well-meaning but doddering old scientists that make up Industria's security council, but he's far more ambitious and cruel than he lets on.

We first get to see Lepka's nastiness when he reveals his fondness for a branding iron. Anyone who he decrees is an enemy to Industria (i.e. anyone he personally considers a threat or an enemy) is branded on the forehead and then tossed into the dungeons to rot for the rest of their lives. Hundreds of people have already been imprisoned this way and Lepka threatens to brand Lana, our little heroine. When she resists, Lepka instead threatens to brand Conan—the equally young hero—while she watches. Eventually he gets fed up with them and orders them tossed into the desert to starve to death.

Already Lepka is a rampaging asshole, but after a mass breakout of everyone he's imprisoned—led of course by Conan and Lan—Lepka gets way nastier. Lepka overthrows the ruling council by force and decides the best way to get rid of the rebels is to drown them. Lepka orders the underground caverns to be flooded; not only would this drown the hundreds of rebels, but it would also take out Industria's entire residential area, leading to thousands of people drowning just so Lepka can kill the rebels. He even decides to inform the terrified citizens that he'll spare them if they turn over Lana to him...only for him to seal up the caverns anyway, leaving everyone in Industria to drown.

See, Lepka doesn't give a hoot about Industria. He's after Lana for a specific reason; she's telepathic, and the only way to locate Dr. Lao, who in turn would be able to lead him to the Laputa-grade superweapon known as Giganto. Giganto is the last of the warplanes that devastated the world, and Lepka now wants to use that power again for his own ambitions of conquest. Industria is saved, but Lepka manages to locate the elderly Dr. Lao. Lepka subjects Dr. Lao to horrible, prolonged Electric Torture, to the point that Dr. Lao goes both blind and deaf from the stress of it. When Lao doesn't talk, Lepka decides to torture Lana, dangling her over a thousand-foot drop and terrorizing her with the threat of her falling.

Presumed killed after this, Lepka survives with a coterie of about a dozen loyalists—whom he treats horribly, shooting one of them dead when the man says he's uneasy about Lepka's new plans of conquest. In the final episodes Lepka makes Giganto his own, and he immediately decides to start flying to every populated island left on Earth and offering them his ultimatum: worship him or be destroyed by the power of Giganto. A final battle results in Giganto being downed toward the sea, in the process of which Lepka tries to leave every one of his own men to die, even trying to throw out his helmsman when the dude is dangling for his life off the escape pod.

Ultimately it's not for not; despite Conan's best efforts to Save the Villain, Lepka ends up doomed to fall with the exploding Giganto.

Any mitigating factors?

I'll make this short and say none at all. The only other antagonists in the series are either his own hapless minions or characters who reform completely. Lepka never once even vaguely acknowledges he's interested in anything but the pursuit of power for its own sake. In some aspects the dude makes Muska look subtle.

Conclusion?

A keeper, and a surprisingly underrated one considering the high-profile name behind this one.

Edited by Scraggle on Sep 26th 2022 at 1:14:21 PM

therealjackieboy Carrot Clone from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Carrot Clone
#325092: Sep 26th 2022 at 12:20:53 PM

[tup] Lepka

"It doesn't matter anymore. You win. It is Duck Season."
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#325094: Sep 26th 2022 at 12:21:02 PM

[tup]Lepka

For what its worth. Gibhli does have one more cm. Lord Cob from Tales from Earthsea.

Edited by miraculous on Sep 26th 2022 at 12:21:51 PM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#325095: Sep 26th 2022 at 12:21:49 PM

Yes to Lepka. He's not listed at the CM's by actor, but aside from Japanese voiceovers, Iemasa Kayumi also did Father in Brotherhood and Joseph Sadaoki Tokugawa.

Edited by ACW on Sep 26th 2022 at 3:22:15 PM

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CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Powermaster201 The Emperor of Evil! Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
The Emperor of Evil!
#325098: Sep 26th 2022 at 12:37:19 PM

[tup] to Lepka

I don't think I'm quite done with the verse yet, but I'll begin my writeup. I'll be checking Ex-Mutants next (got one candidate in mind). I decided not to do Wisecrack because the bad guy in Ex-Mutant seems to have outclass him in the slavery market.

I'm gonna make the tree called the "Genesis Universe" because from what I researched, it's what the verse involving Protectors, Ex-Mutants, and Dinosaurs-For-Hire is called.

  • Genesis Universe:
    • Extreme is the main antagonist of the Genesis saga, who was once sold as a slave in the past until he killed his captors and use his newfound powers to conquer entire worlds. Through his conquest, he absorbs the energies of each dimension and use them to wipe out cities and reduce worlds into ashes, taking the surviving inhabitants as slaves for his empire. Entering the Ex-Mutants universe, Extreme delivers the team a vicious No-Holds-Barred Beatdown and murders one of his minions for disobeying him. Battling the Protectors which ends up destroying all of Los Angeles, killing millions, all while Extreme begins boasting how he'll reduce the Earth into nothing but a pile of ashes.
    • The Protectors
      • The Great Question is a diabolical arch-villain responsible for the creation of the titular heroes as well as the true mastermind behind the Steel Army. The Great Question sought to open a dimensional doorway in order to grant himself godhood, so he orchestrated the Steel Army's numerous terrorist attacks claiming many lives in their quest to destroy all of Washington DC just to gain attention from the government. He would later use his Psychic Powers on John Aman, the Amazing Man, to take control of him: Which constantly drove the latter into murderous rage onto his allies. In the Air Man tie in comic, he has Thresher tortured in order to locate the interdimensional doorway. After find what he was after, The Great Question opens numerous portals that began destroying part of the world: murders his old foe The Eye: and shows no concerns that his actions would doom the Earth as long as he achieve total godhood and power, ending up destroying the whole planet completely.
      • The terrorist known as Mr. Monday, real name Professor Erwin Montag, is the first foe the Protectors faced as well as the commander of the Steel Army. Making his introduction by leading a massacre at a police station just to establish a message. Declaring his intent on razing Washington DC to the ground, Monday leads his army across the US killing civilians and cops alike in his mission; Attempting to assassinate the founder of the Protectors and former superhero Philip Reinhart. Mr. Monday, under orders of the Great Question, lures Night Mask to a trap and took sadistic pleasure torturing him before killing the young hero. After his previous defeat, Mr. Monday breaks out of prison which led to the death of multiple soldiers and goes off killing Air Man and Arc, taking sadistic glee on killing two more heroes.
      • Gravestone #1-3: The Night-Plague is an ancient, highly sadistic creature that threatens to bring doomsday to the world. Once summoned by a renegade sorcerer in the past, the entity was responsible for wiping out Atlantis and its population. Returning in the present by possessing the body of long deceased teen named Melissa Grant, murdering her whole family. The Night-Plague resurrects a horde of zombies to devour everything in their path, while attempting to slowly kill Gravestone.

Edited by Powermaster201 on Sep 26th 2022 at 3:49:18 PM

emperors Messenger from another dimension. Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Messenger from another dimension.
#325099: Sep 26th 2022 at 12:51:14 PM

Yes to Lepka and Night Plague.

Edited by emperors on Sep 26th 2022 at 3:51:32 PM

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