Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the new Complete Monster (CM) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.
If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread.
IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List. Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.
What goes through this thread?
- Cut requests. If you believe a CM has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
- If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's CMs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
- If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
- Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
- If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.
What does not go through this thread?
- New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread.
- Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
- Any CM link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
- If an CM link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
- Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved CMs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
- Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
- Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
- Spelling and grammar fixes.
- Pothole changes.
- Minor rewordings.
- Spoiler tags.
While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:
- Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
- If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
- Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.
Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.
As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their CM equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.
Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!
Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:30:03 AM
Yeah feel free to discuss Hollander Polar. He definitely doesn't count in the Remake version given the amount of Sephiroth clones has been increased but I am for him counting in the OG.
Hey, it’s Briar Branwen, formerly known as The Laurel Crowned Raven. I found some unapproved entries on these YMMV pages:
Treasure Hoard: * Complete Monster: The nameless slaver responsible for a lot of Rori's trauma. He's forced himself on the slaves (whom he sees as nothing more than toys and merchandise) and Rori in particular too many times to count, derives pleasure from tormenting them and, upon finding someone who has escaped him prior, aims to do so again despite numerous warnings. When confronted over it, he shows no remorse, acting like it was his right to do so. He more than earned his savage beating from Rori along with whatever it was Xávirac did to him.
Klass: * Complete Monster: If you're looking for an entire army of them, look no further than Joosep and Kaspar's class. All of them (even the girls) are complete scumbags who are eager to make Joosep and Kaspar's lives a living hell just for fun. The worst of the bunch is most likely Anders, considering that he's the one who turned everyone else against Kaspar after he started to defend Joosep, but it could also be Paul, since he was the one who started all of this if Elu Pärast is to go by. Needless to say, you will not shed a tear when Joosep and Kaspar attack them with guns at the end of the film... assuming, of course, you're still sympathizing with those poor boys once they do it.
Madison (2022): * Complete Monster:
- Madison Hale killed her parents, two innocent neighbors, cut their limbs off, began the games events by murdering Luca’s mother and sister. Plus causing a massive rift between both he and his father the only person willing to help him.
- Hans Goring escaped from Nazi Germany and settled in a small town in America. Where he told his wife he had been the one to turn the gas chambers on. To which she murdered him due to his inability to feel empathy for the victims.
I’ve deleted these examples, but while an entire class obviously can’t qualify, the others sound like they at least have potential.
No power in the ‘verse can stop me.
Fine with Krinkor's rewrite.
Gonna repost my question from last page since it didn't get acknowledged.
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If there are too many examples of Naruto and Harry Potter, then let them get separate pages.
Best Smile
Giving Harry Potter its own page sounds good to me. I'm fine with giving Naruto its own page too so the fanworks page doen't become too big again too soon.
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Yeah I am fine with giving Harry Potter and Naruto fan works their own page.
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Not the Eye
As guy who first suggested it, I’m tossing my vote for giving Harry Potter and Naruto fan works their own pages once again.
Edited by EmperorGeode on Apr 5th 2024 at 4:17:32 AM
I’ll take a potato chip… and EAT IT!
Also support a Naruto and Harry Potter page
Edit: just whipped up something quick for Harry Potter. How’s this look?
All spoilers are unmarked. You Have Been Warned!
- The Chosen Six: Fenrir Greyback is just as vile as he is in canon, perhaps even more. Furious that Magical Britain revoked all rights to werewolves, he decides to wage total war on it. To do so, he leads his pack through a campaign of mass murder, killing dozens of wizards and Muggles alike. Moving north while dodging the police and Aurors, Fenrir decides to capture Harry Potter to spread his curse to him. When Percy interposes himself, Fenrir mauls him, and later brutally attacks Hogwarts in a Suicide Attack with the explicit goal of causing as much damage as possible. A sadist who gleefully admits his crimes at his trial, Fenrir gloats that he succeeded in radicalizing more werewolves by causing the laws to be further tightened, showing that he doesn't care about his fellow werewolves any more than his fellow man.
- Ginny Weasley and the Waking Nightmare (link): Steven Livingstone is a Muggle who specializes in murdering young children, taking advantage of his mobile job as a cover. Kidnapping Ginny Weasley, Livingstone reminisces about his victims while idly listening to Ginny's memories of Tom Riddle tormenting her, even going so far as to identify with the young Voldemort. When he reaches a lonely forest where he usually dumps his victims, Livingstone declares that he kills because it makes him feel powerful before trying to murder Ginny.
- Le Maitre de la Mort (The Master of Death) (link): Lord Voldemort, born Tom Marvolo Riddle, is just as evil as his canon counterpart in this film depicting his rise to power. While in Hogwarts, Voldemort learns about Horcruxes and plans to use them as a way to become immortal. To this end, he murders Myrtle, then his father, then Hepzibah Smith, as well as three other random people, and uses their deaths to split his soul apart. When Voldemort and some of his followers go to Albania to get Ravenclaw's diadem, they are ambushed by the ministry. Voldemort traps Elyana Ogden and tortures her with the Cruciatus curse until she gives up the name of the one who betrayed him. Voldemort tortures Avery as punishment for betraying him and then has him killed. Years later, Voldemort has amassed a large following and is beginning his plan to take over the wizarding world and eliminate all Muggles and Muggle-borns, already being responsible for the deaths of several. Voldemort would later kill Lily and James Potter and attempt to murder their infant son, Harry.
- Methods of Rationality: Professor Quirinus Quirrell, actually Tom Morfin Riddle, is a brilliant, magically gifted sociopath regarded as pure evil by everyone aware of his true nature. In his quest for eternal life, he creates over a hundred Horcruxes, personally murdering a single person for each one. Having fully ensured his immortality, he adopts a persona of a cartoonishly evil Dark Lord he names "Voldemort" and uses it to launch a war against magical Britain. After over a decade of effortlessly crushing his enemies and committing various atrocities, Voldemort imprints his own personality onto a young toddler, resulting in Harry being "remade" in Tom Riddle's image. Ten years later, having lost his original body, Voldemort possesses an adventurer named Quirinus Quirrell—turning the man into a prisoner in his own body—and applies for the position of the Defense Against the Dark Arts Professor in Hogwarts. In order to convince Harry to abandon his idealistic ways and make the boy into his own Worthy Opponent, "Quirrell" decides to psychologically break Harry first by attempting to send Hermione to Azkaban, then by brutally murdering her in front of Harry's eyes. Once Quirrell realizes that it made Harry more dangerous than expected, he resolves to kill the boy to get rid of the one threat to his immortality.
- Nightmares of Futures Past: Lord Voldemort in the Bad Future is even more brutal and vicious than in canon, cursing his followers to die should he be killed. Realizing that Harry Potter was finding and destroying his Horcruxes, Voldemort responded by sacking Hogwarts, murdering anyone who resisted him. Over the next 13 years, Voldemort and his Death Eaters devastated much of Europe, turned Durmstrang into an Academy of Evil, and purged much of the British Isles of Muggles, including an incident where the Death Eaters burned down an orphanage and killed everyone they saw. Voldemort, taking advantage of his mental connection with Harry, would often suppress his emotions until a massacre was complete, then overwhelm Harry with his sadistic glee. When finally confronted by Harry, Voldemort boasted that he didn't need to win the duel because he'd killed everyone Harry knew and loved, with Harry eventually choosing to send his soul back in time to save everyone he cared about. In the new timeline, Voldemort's presence hangs over everything Harry does.
- Voldemort: Origins of the Heir (link): Tom Marvolo Riddle, later known as Lord Voldemort, commits the same crimes as his canon counterpart and goes beyond. One of the heirs of the four Hogwarts Founders, Riddle, sharing none of his fellow heirs' noble aspirations, is introduced professing his Fantastic Racism against Muggles to the Heir of Gryffindor Grisha McClaggen and later breaking the arm of Lazarus Smith, the Heir of Hufflepuff, after tricking him into a duel. When Lazarus retrieves Helga Hufflepuff's cup and sends it to his Aunt Hepzibah for safekeeping, Riddle kills him and then Hepzibah to obtain them himself for use as a Horcrux, taunting Hepzibah over the death of her nephew while doing so and then framing her elderly House Elf for the murder, leading to the elf's death. After Grisha and Ravenclaw's Heir Wiglaff Sigurdsson try to stop him, Riddle kills both of them, desecrating Grisha's remains for a dark ritual afterward—implicitly the creation of a Horcrux—and taking on her appearance to retrieve another one of his Horcruxes from the headquarters of Soviet Aurors. Upon obtaining said Horcrux, Riddle thanks the Aurors by slaughtering all of them whilst declaring himself "Lord Voldemort".
- What If Snape Died: Lord Voldemort is just as evil as in canon. Introduced leading 30 Death Eaters in an attack on Diagon Alley, he subjects a 5-year-old Harry Potter to the Cruciatus Curse before attempting to kill him. Failing to do so and losing his body thanks to Lily's sacrifice, he arranges years later for Percy Weasley to be tricked into accepting his old diary as a gift so that the soul fragment contained within can open the Chamber of Secrets, unleashing Salazar Slytherin's basilisk on an unsuspecting student body, and also drain Percy's life force to grant himself a body. During Harry's first year, he infiltrates Hogwarts by inhabiting the body of new Astronomy professor Quirinus Quirrell, who jinxes Harry's broom during his first Quidditch game on Voldemort's orders. When he's discovered, Voldemort tortures multiple people before trying to kill Harry one last time.
- Wish Carefully: Lord Voldemort is just as evil as his canon counterpart but even more unstable. After his side agreed to a deal with Harry Potter to create a society built on Voldemort's racist ideology, Voldemort adjusted very poorly to peacetime and various setbacks to Wizarding Britain, at one point taking to the streets and torturing anyone he saw wearing glasses. Passing laws requiring wizards and witches to receive the Dark Mark once they came of age, Voldemort frequently tortures his Death Eaters through their Dark Marks for his own amusement. All this merely accelerates the decreasing population and Generational Magic Decline present among his supporters and their offspring because nobody wants to move to a place run by an Evil Overlord, with Voldemort torturing a clerk to death for trying to warn him of that problem. Things in Wizarding Britain have gotten so bad that several Death Eaters are planning to kill Voldemort or send him to Harry so that he can kill Voldemort for them.
I can’t think of a good header though
Edited by LarryT on Apr 5th 2024 at 4:45:34 AM
In honor of Akira Toriyama
Looks good to me.
Also drafted a setup for the Naruto page: Monster: Naruto Fan Works
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
HP probably doesn't need folders.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
I’ll take a potato chip… and EAT IT!
Made Monster: Harry Potter Fan Works without the folders
Another thing I should note is the folder for video games and visual novels is pretty huge, maybe we should split them?
In honor of Akira Toriyama
Gentle Laborer
Having posted my concerns about Colonizer!Wonka on the other thread, I'm reminded of one of my own fanvideo candidates: Lanius. While he's more openly sadistic, bloodthristy and misogynistic than OG Lanius, and generally portrayed as an irredeemable Card-Carrying Villain—which at the time I saw as enough evidence that the fanvideo was meant to be an AU—the film also serves as a prequel and I now think that there's really nothing stopping this version of Lanius from evolving into the Noble Demon that he becomes. Adaptational Villainy is still in full effect here, but not enough to say this is not the same Monster of the East. I say cut him.
RIP Toriyama
I remember I was for Lanius when you posted him but yeah, I think I agree with your thought process here that it being designed as a prequel means that Lanius—even for as different and more awful as he is in canon—is kind of destined to develop the redeeming features of the later story. So I'll say cut.
Tonight I dine on monkey soup.
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
If it is meant to be a prequel, sure cut Lanius.
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
If it just seems to be a backstory and with the stance I took on Wonka, cut there.
Goku Black
By the way Cell's write up is fine for the most part but leaves out his ultimate plan of wiping out all life in the universe. (weirldly)
"You see, I'm perfect, my strength is perfect, and with that I shall bring about equally perfect destruction through the rest of the universe"
"I thought Dr. Gero only meant for me to defeat the Earth, but I know now I was designed for much more. Once I'm finished tearing this world into pieces, I'll just use Goku's Instant Transmission technique to move onto other planets. That is my destiny. I am the universe's end!"
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Not the Eye
Cut Lanius
Yeah that should be put somewhere in his writeup.
Okay, it looks like the consensus is for Alex Close to stay, unless their are any last minute votes.
I guess Cut Lanius if it is meant to be a prequel.
Mir: Yeah that should be included in Cell's write up.
Also Rural Gangsters just got launched, that might be useful going forwards.
Edited by MGD107 on Apr 6th 2024 at 9:33:50 AM
Woagh
Goku Black
How about.
- Android Saga: Cell is a bio-android from an alternate timeline created by Dr. Gero to become the Ultimate Lifeform by absorbing Androids 17 and 18. When he discovers that the Androids of his timeline have been defeated, he kills the Future Trunks of his timeline. Cell then steals Trunks's time machine and travels back in time to complete his goal. Cell goes to town after town, devouring thousands with his tail just to increase his powers. When pursuing Android 18 and unable to find her, he begins bombing islands full of inhabitants to flush her out. Upon reaching his Perfect Form, Cell hosts the "Cell Games", promising that once he wins he will terrorize Earth before destroying it and that he would relish the expressions of fear and terror of the people he would hunt down one by one. Cell, wanting to unleash Gohan's hidden potential, begins physically and emotionally torturing the boy. He spawns the Cell Juniors to torture and kill the Z Fighters to further goad Gohan into transforming, succeeding when he callously kills Android 16 in front of Gohan. But when the fight stops going his way, Cell attempts to self-destruct and take the Earth with him out of spite, forcing Goku to perform a Heroic Sacrifice. Cell survives his suicide attempt, however, and kills Future Trunks when he returns, before firing an attack that he promises would wipe out the solar system. Cell reveals he plans to systematically wipe out all life in the universe after he's done with Earth and bring forth "perfect destruction". Inheriting Frieza's sociopathic sadism and Vegeta's pride, Cell has full agency over his actions and takes full pleasure in it.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Honestly, I'd be fine chopping that last sentence.
Cut Lanius.
I just did some for Rural Gangsters.
Edited by ACW on Apr 6th 2024 at 2:48:26 PM
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Goku Black
Yeah I don't mind cutting the last sentence to. The new one works great as an ending sentence.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Cut Legate Lanius, and I'm good with the addition to Cell and snipping the last sentence.
Not the Eye
Sure to mir’s suggested adition and I’m fine with removing last sentence.
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to Krinkor‘s rewrite
In honor of Akira Toriyama