Complete Monster Cleanup

Go ahead with the rewrite of the YU-NO entry.

Edited by Siegfried1337 on Jul 25th 2023 at 10:34:11 AM

Agent: Yes, yes it does. I just replaced it and added it to the swaps.

I can take care of cutting Desghidorah and James from the Sandboxes; the YMMV pages; adding them to the former CM page; and adding the Sandboxes to the list of swaps later today, unless someone wants to do me a favor and take care of it.

EDIT: I took care of most of it. Someone please just add them to the former CM page.

Also, a slight tweak for Grand King:

• Rebirth of Mothra 3: Grand King Ghidorah was a spacefaring Animalistic Abomination inimical to all life. He was also a Child Hater of truly spectacular proportions who upon arriving in Japan not only tried to obliterate major metropolitan centers, but kidnapped every child on the island, intending to eat their souls. Mothra journeyed to the past and slew a weaker version of the dragon who, during his first visit to Earth in the Cretaceous Period, was responsible for the extinction of the dinosaurs, only to discover that in the present, Grand King Ghidorah was still alive and well. Returning to Earth again, Grand King Ghidorah continued with his plan to leave the planet a lifeless husk, starting with the children.

Edited by ACW on Jul 26th 2023 at 7:51:07 AM

YMMV.Gundam Seed Destiny Altered:

• Complete Monster: Lord Teivel Jibril/Djibril is just as vile as his canon counterpart. Succeeding Muruta Azrael after his death in the First Junius War, Jibril retains all of Azrael's bigotry, but lacks all the intelligence and charisma that made Azrael such an effective leader. Having returned Blue Cosmos to its terrorist roots, Jibril continues the Extended program with Stella Loussier and Auel Neider. Exploiting the cataclysmic Colony Drop of the remains of Junius 7, Jibril opens the war with a nuclear assault on the PLANTs. He later unleashes the massive Destroy — piloted by the mentally unwell Stella — on Eurasia, leading to millions of civilian casualties. He also personally uses the Requiem to kill over a million of innocents while bragging about having the guts to do it. Constantly concerned with his own skin above anything and anyone else, Jibril has the tendency to retreat and abandon his allies whenever he feels his life is in danger, and entertains plans of world domination once the war is over. Where a low-functioning sociopath such as himself would usually be considered pathetic, Jibril was defined by not just his determination to annihilate the Coordinators as a race, but his immorality combined with near-unlimited resources and considerable influence, transforming what would usually be an incompetent enemy to a truly terrifying adversary.

It doesn't look like it was approved/added by the usual editors. Thoughts?

I don’t think it was aproved, feel free to cut it and PM troper who adeed it. He does sound like he has potential.

Edited by EmperorGeode on Jul 26th 2023 at 8:21:48 AM

I'd replace Animalistic Abomination with Draconic Abomination for Grand-King Ghidorah. Also, isn't his official name "Modern Type King Ghidorah"?

Edited by Arawn999 on Jul 26th 2023 at 10:47:46 AM

Can I ask a question. Is grand king Ghidorah an official name. I heard it's just a fan name and he's only called King Ghidorah.

For the former CM page should there a tree in the film folder for Godzilla entries since this would be the 3rd Godzilla cut there?

Tree yes, but it'd only be 2 (the other is an animated film).

Unless we wanna group franchises, but that seems that it'd be more trouble than it's worth.

Let's do this:

• Rebirth of Mothra 3: King Ghidorah was a spacefaring Draconic Abomination inimical to all life, as well as a Child Hater of truly spectacular proportions. Upon arriving in Japan, Ghidorah not only tried to obliterate major metropolitan centers, but kidnapped every child on the island, intending to eat their souls. Mothra journeyed to the past and slew a weaker version of the dragon who, during his first visit to Earth in the Cretaceous Period, was responsible for the extinction of the dinosaurs, only to discover that in the present, Ghidorah is still alive and well. Returning to Earth again, Ghidorah continus with his plan to leave the planet a lifeless husk, starting with the children.

Edited by ACW on Jul 26th 2023 at 2:56:44 PM

I want to ask about the CM I proposed, Challus Mercer from the Dead Space Remake. I didn’t read every text log so I’m wondering if maybe I missed something in a text log that would disqualify him. I might do so next time I replay it to make sure I’m not missing anything but I doubt there would be anything that would disqualify him.

If you're willing to cheat a bit, I found this.

I’ll look through it at some point. I’m mostly certain nothing will mitigate him and that him sabotaging the ship to hinder the crew’s chances of surviving is accurate. Though since someone’s proposal was cut due to a single, easily missed line of dialogue it made me wonder.

Edited by TheLivingDrawing on Jul 26th 2023 at 3:35:09 PM

Alright, here's the results of the changes I suggested here:

Besides the thing on Fan Games, this seems pretty cut and dry. Any objections to me taking these to be swapped?

Look fine.

Though for DC—and I'm not sure what the solution is—it seems odd to have Batman and the Bat-family in one place, but the Batman films in another. Maybe change the pothole from Franchise to Comic Book? I dunno.

Can i offer a rewrite, since the original looks weird:

The Original:

Godzilla vs. SpaceGodzilla: Most Heisei kaiju didn't have a choice about whether they were good or bad. Not so the case with the wickedly clever SpaceGodzilla, an Evil Twin if ever there was one. Created when Godzilla's cells fused with a crystal alien, the resultant clone arrived in our solar system with two thoughts in mind—Take Over the World and slaughter his genetic donor in the process. Butchering the inhabitants of a space station that he flew past, SpaceGodzilla arrived on Monster Island where he assaulted, and then kidnapped Godzilla's adoptive son, Junior, out of spite. Making his way to Fukuoka, SpaceGodzilla converted the entire city into a series of giant crystal spires that drained life from the Earth and fed it into him, enabling him to become stronger and stronger. Slain by Godzilla and MOGUERA before he could repeat the process in other cities, SpaceGodzilla was described by Mothra's priestesses as an abomination and was as deliberately malevolent as a Heisei monster could get.

My rewrite:

Godzilla vs. SpaceGodzilla: SpaceGodzilla, upon being created when Godzilla's cells fused with a crystal alien, arrived in a solar system with two thoughts in mind—Take Over the World and kill Godzilla in the process. Butchering the inhabitants of a space station that he flew past, SpaceGodzilla arrived on Monster Island where he assaulted, and then kidnapped Godzilla's adoptive son, Junior, out of spite. Making his way to Fukuoka, SpaceGodzilla converted the entire city into a series of giant crystal spires that drained life from the Earth and fed it into him, enabling him to become stronger and stronger. Planning to repeat the process in other cities before he was killed by Godzilla and MOGUERA, SpaceGodzilla was described as an abomination, evil even by kaiju's standards.

Edited by VeryVileVillian on Jul 26th 2023 at 1:37:27 PM

Does anyone know where the original CM Proposal for Cecil L'Ively for The X-Files is? I've been looking for it for a while but can't find it.

Space Godzilla writeup works, nice work.

Cecil seems to be one of the guys grandfathered in since the post says he's already on the page and this was during 2013.

Current Mick Taylor Tally. I forgot how Drax originally voted.

I'm not changing my vote until I see actual passages which back up what is being said, given that this work has been very hard to gauge since little has actually been presented.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Jul 26th 2023 at 10:55:00 AM

There's a small typo on the Nasuverse Complete Monster page (which is locked).

• Beryl Gut is a Crypter who, in the past, killed both his parents and moved to the city, where his assassinations earned him notoriety from even the darkest depths of mage society. Later recruited by Marisbury Animusphere to kill any deserters from Chaldea in exchange for not giving Mash Kyrielight a Sirius Light, Beryl later visits her to break her fingers out of a desire to see her suffer. Resurrected by the Foreign God, Beryl later summoned Morgan as his servant who would "break the world", while also gaining the affection of Baobhan Sith, whom he would teach magic, allowing her to cast powerful curses that, unbeknownst to her, would rot her soul. Being sent to the Atlantic Lostbelt, Beryl would burn Wodime's Tree of Emptiness and later stab him, mocking his ideals and Wodime being unable to heal his wound. Returning to the British Lostbelt, Beryl creates a variant of the Moss curse to use on humans by experimenting on them, and later manipulates Woodwose into betraying Morgan, kickstarting a series of tragedies that destroyed the British Lostbelt, all for the sake of his excitement for bloodshed.

The curse mentioned near the end is supposed to be called the Mors curse, not the Moss curse.

I decided make a few modification of TOTK Ganondorf's entry after finding out that Genocide from the Inside can include attempted genocide. Also shorten a few descriptions:

Original:

• Tears of the Kingdom: Demon King Ganondorf was once a brutal Gerudo warlord who sought to conquer Hyrule during the kingdom's founding days. Desiring the power of the Zonai Secret Stones, Ganondorf murders Queen Sonia after swearing false fealty to King Rauru, and steals her Secret Stone to transform himself into the Demon King. With his newfound powers, Ganondorf creates an army of demons and monsters to sweep over Hyrule and kill all who would oppose him, including his own people, in the cataclysmic Imprisoning War until he is sealed away for eons by Rauru. In that timespan, Ganondorf's malice manages to leak through the seal, creating Calamity Ganon, a primal force of evil that brought destruction upon Hyrule for countless generations, with the last one bringing the kingdom's collapse. After freeing himself in the present day, Ganondorf resumes his destructive campaign by unleashing monsters, saboteurs, and natural disasters upon the races of Hyrule, promising to finish what he had started. Faced with defeat by Link and the Sages, Ganondorf swallows his Secret Stone to become the Demon Dragon, sacrificing his mind and body for the power to destroy Link and plunge Hyrule into the "eternal night" of destruction and despair. A narcissistic, sociopathic monster of a man, lacking the redeeming or tragic qualities his incarnations often have, Ganondorf believes himself to be superior to everyone else and thus deserves to rule Hyrule as he sees fit.

Revised:

• Tears of the Kingdom: Demon King Ganondorf was once a brutal Gerudo warlord who sought to conquer Hyrule during the kingdom's founding days. Desiring the power of the Zonai Secret Stones, Ganondorf murders Queen Sonia after swearing false fealty to King Rauru, and steals her Secret Stone to transform himself into the Demon King. With his newfound powers, Ganondorf creates an army of demons and monsters to sweep over Hyrule and kill all who would oppose him, including his own people, in the cataclysmic Imprisoning War until he is sealed away for eons by Rauru. In that timespan, Ganondorf's malice manages to leak through the seal, creating Calamity Ganon, a primal force of evil that brought destruction upon Hyrule for countless generations, with the last one bringing the kingdom's collapse. After freeing himself in the present day, Ganondorf resumes his destructive campaign by unleashing monsters, saboteurs, and natural disasters upon the races of Hyrule, promising to finish what he had started. Faced with defeat by Link and the Sages, Ganondorf swallows his Secret Stone to become the Demon Dragon, sacrificing his mind and body for the power to destroy Link and plunge Hyrule into the "eternal night" of destruction and despair. A vile monster of a man, lacking the redeeming or tragic qualities his incarnations often have, Ganondorf believes himself to be superior to everyone else and thus deserves to rule Hyrule as he sees fit.

As said on the other thread, have seen the new FNAF release if anyone wants to DM. Should be an interesting talk depending on a couple things...

What's the tally for Iago?

Ok, just to verify all, I read the Wolf Creek book: cut Mick. Cut, cut, cut. He has horrid excuses for parents in a father who brutalizes him regularly and an alcoholic mother who not only lets the abuse happen, but is heavily implied to have molested Mick.

"His own pain he could take. It was worse when his father hit his mother – bedridden through sickness or choice, he never knew for sure – and Mick would huddle in the next room unable to do anything, hating himself as his father straddled her on the mattress and pummelled her for being a fat useless cunt, or for complaining about the bills, or for always being fucken sick and destroying our lives, ya stupid bitch – all this even after his sister had died. Maybe because of it. Sometimes it’d turn to sex and it’d be hard to tell when one finished and the other began. It often sounded the same until his mother started crying out in pleasure. ‘Micky?’ she’d call, after his father returned to his drinking in the kitchen or out into the yard to work on the cars, maybe embarrassed at what he’d just done. Mick’d go in to the smell of musk and her bedsores and she’d stroke his hair, calm him and croon in his ear about one day taking him far, far away from all this, when she was well. But she wouldn’t look at him as she brushed him, her breath rank with gin, blood on her mouth, and sometimes her hand would stray down his chest and stomach and he’d jump up and leave as she called to him, crying but unable to follow."

Though he eventually kills his mother, it's in a half-crazed state from exhaustion and madness during which he nonetheless bawls his eyes out at killing her, believing it to be a Mercy Kill to free her from everything.

"'It’s okay, Ma. I’m gonna fix everything.’ He climbed onto her and brought up the crudely hewn spear. He felt her only struggle for a moment as it sank into her. At the last she drew him down into her undulating rolls, held him to her like he was a newborn again, and he cried into her neck as she finally stilled beneath him. She’d kicked the sheets off and her vast nakedness spread beneath him and he shut his eyes as he slipped off her, nearly skidded in her thick blood dripping to the floor. He didn’t look back at her lying there splayed and silent. How long Mick stood in the hallway he didn’t know. Once the tears ran out he raised his head and blinked back to consciousness."

Also, though realizing on some level he enjoyed killing his sister, Mick feels explicit remorse and regret over her death and even tried his hardest to avoid hurting anyone else like that ever again until he was bullied and beaten until he snapped.

"It’s just like the camp again, when Sammy and the other boys pushed and pushed him, and he’d taken it for so many years, tried to hide the anger inside him – to never let what he’d done to his sister happen again, to hurt someone else so bad. But then it’d been too much, and he ended up beating Sammy and his big fucken mouth with a stick."

Does it align with what we see of him in the films/TV? No, not really, but it doesn't matter much: he has a fucked, fucked Freudian Excuse and explicitly cares about his mother and sister and regrets what happened to them. Snip with extreme prejudice.

Edited by Ravok on Jul 27th 2023 at 2:28:01 AM

Thanks for the clarification there Rav!

Are all of the Micks considered the same guy or just different adaptations? Do we cut all of them or cut only 1 incarnation?

Also isn't this guy like unaffected by his FE as far as I knew? The old thread cut an entire Troper fanfic over that sort of case, but dunno if Mick can be cut for the same reason here. This guy being cut is totally unbelievable so I dunno.

Edited by Mr-ex777 on Jul 27th 2023 at 6:27:43 PM

Even if people believe Mick eclipses his Freudian Excuse validation. Judging by what Ravok posted, there's nothing subverting the sister remorse.

Although since you've read the novels Ravok, are Jerry and Atkin good to stay?

Edited by WetFlannels on Jul 27th 2023 at 11:42:35 AM