Unreleased Work Page Cleanup (Speculation, Spoilers, ZCE etc.)

I'm also wondering if Film.Once Upon A Time In Hollywood should be kept or deleted as it's coming out in a matter of months (June to be exact)?

Looking through the example section:

• The '60s: The very end of them, with the film being set in 1969. ZCE, Speculative
• Actor Allusion: In Inglourious Basterds, the last time he played in a Tarantino movie before this one, Brad Pitt's character (Aldo Raine) pretended to be a stuntman as a disguise. Now, Pitt's character is a genuine stuntman. Speculative, shoehorning
• Failed Attempt at Drama: Bruce Lee attempts to pull off a Badass Boast claiming that any fight will eventually end with him accidentally killing his opponent and with him in jail. Booth is unimpressed as he thinks Lee is being Captain Obvious and explains accidentally killing a man and going to jail for it is called manslaughter. Speculative
• Historical Domain Character: In addition to a bunch of actors who made Hollywood's history, a number of protagonists of the Tate-LaBianca murders of August 1969 or people involved with the infamous "Family" of Charles Manson will show up.
  • Sharon Tate herself (Margot Robbie), and her husband Roman Polanski. Speculative
  • Charles Denton "Tex" Watson, Jr. (Austin Butler), a member of Manson's "Family" who was involved in the murders. Speculative
  • Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme (Dakota Fanning), another member of Manson's "Family". She was not involved in the murders, but she would later attempt to assassinate US president Gerald Ford. Speculative
  • Catherine Share (Lena Dunham), another member of the "Family" who was not directly involved in the murders. Speculative
  • George Spahn (Bruce Dern), an old rancher who was persuaded by Manson to let the "Family" live at his ranch. Burt Reynolds was initially set to play him, but he passed away before filming of his scenes began. Speculative
  • And of course, Charles Manson (Damon Herriman), the leader of the "Family" and orderer of the Hinman, Tate, La Bianca, and Shea murders. Speculative
• Loads And Loads Of Characters: The movie's page on The Other Wiki has more than thirty specifically listed characters, and more than a dozen other actors whose roles haven't been specifically listed yet. Speculative, Bold Inflation

Motion to either cutlist, or cut the example list and lock the page until release.

Bayonetta 3 does have a trailer (released a year ago)... however it's basically a 30 seconds action sequence where Bayonetta fights a mysterious oponent and loses. I don't know if it's enough to be tropable. Some of the tropes listed fall under speculation.

Alternate Timeline appears to be a far-fetched conjecture based on the fact that Beyonnetta has guns with a slightly different name.

I don't know if Bloodier and Gorier applies if all we see is a bit of blood from superficial cuts.

I don't know either if we can be sure that Dragged Off to Hell is averted since the teaser ends immediatly when Bayonetta drops dead.

The Hero Dies itself states that it's not sure if the trope will happen in the game.

The Worf Effect is basically a rhetorical question.

Yup, Bayonetta 3 will need good amount of trimming.

• Alternate Timeline: Cut the example, it's a stealth WMG.
• Beauty Mark: If it isn't there, it isn't there. Cut.
• Bloodier and Gorier: Needs the final game to judge. Cut.
• Bread, Eggs, Breaded Eggs: Cut as speculation over the symbolism.
• Dragged Off to Hell - Bayonetta isn't known to be the villain given this as a karmic fate, and the example even calls itself an aversion; zap as misuse.
• Half the Man He Used to Be: Cut as misuse - all we see in the trailer is Bayonetta's detached legs, which implies to me more than two pieces.
• The Hero Dies: Needs the final game to come out, because it is a plot trope about a finished product. Cut.

I’ve been thinking, should we add the following example where necessary?

• Foregone Conclusion: Since this film is set in 1969, we already know that Charles Manson will murder Sharon Tate and her friends.

Or is that speculation?

Why are the Historical Domain Character examples speculative?

It'd be speculation about whether the murders of Tate and friends will occur onscreen or otherwise be depicted during the film, so no, I wouldn't include that example for the moment.

Edited by Albert3105 on Mar 23rd 2019 at 4:52:56 AM

Not sure why they made that declaration. I noticed that the movie is mixing Historical Domain Character and No Historical Figures Were Harmed, the difference between if a version of the historical figure actually appears (like Manson is supposed to) versus a fictional character based on one (the way Trantino said Burt Reynolds would be, but we've got Rick Dalton instead). I don't have a reliable source for which one applies for which characters.

The film itself would be a reliable source. Motion that we don't include either trope until the film is released. Then we'll know for sure which trope applies to which character(s).

I removed the speculation in Bayonetta 3.

So is there anything salvageable in The Mandalorian and The Vision And Scarlet Witch or can I send them to the graveyard?

I'd cut The Vision And Scarlet Witch as the three examples currently there are used in a People Sit on Chairs fashion.

So couple weeks back, I made a page for Good Boys and I wanted to see if it passes HighCrate's test. It should be noted that a couple of the tropes listed weren't added by me, and there are already reviews for the film since it premiered at this year's SWSX.

The Vision and Scarlet Witch doesn't even have three tropes. One example on the page is for Role Reprisal, which is a Trivia item (and trivia is Not a Trope).

Every example references marketing material aside from Coming of Age Story which neglects to explain how the characters are "becoming adults" within the context of the film. Which is typical misuse for that particular trope.

Film.Good Boys:

• Coming of Age Story: A very crude example as it involves three pre-teen boys getting in dangerous and totally inappropriate situations to look cool to their peers. Agree with crazysamaritan that this isn't enough context. It's also speculative.
• Content Warning: The poster makes it very clear that in spite of having three sixth graders as the main characters, the film's not for kids as they put the R rating in the center with the MPAA's description: Looks fine
  "Strong crude sexual content, drug and alcohol material, and language throughout - all involving tweens"
• From the Mouths of Babes: The boys use multiple F-bombs throughout the trailer, such as when Thor is getting mocked by his classmates. The trope description and laconic indicate that there's more to this trope than just "child swears." I'm inclined to call this shoehorning.
  Thor: "Does this look like a sippy cup? No, it's a fucking juice box, because I'm not a fucking child!"
• Hypocritical Humor: In the teaser trailer, Seth informs the boys that, although they were allowed to swear, commit acts of violence, and use drugs, they won't be allowed to watch the trailer for the movie because it's too intense for them. Unsurprisingly, they didn't like the news. Looks fine
  Seth: "Welcome to Hollywood."
• The Peeping Tom: An innocent example; in the trailer, the boys look at two various couples making-out to learn how to kiss. Shoehorning; the trope description specifies that the peeper must derive pleasure not just from the act being witnessed, but from the voyeuristic thrill of viewing it without consent.

Edited by HighCrate on Mar 25th 2019 at 10:51:54 AM

Wonder Woman 1984 has a few promotional stills released but the page might have some speculative troping. In particular Flashback and Time Skip.

MythologyGag.Wonder Woman 1984 has only two examples and both based on "set photos".

Heartwarming.Wonder Woman 1984 has a real life example.

I almost wonder where the line is drawn because quite a few of those basically amount to 'a sequel set in 1984' which I guess the title confirms? A mythology gag subpage with 2 examples both based on unspecified set photos seems off. Is anyone sure if the 'reportedly' is just rumours? If so that's probably speculation, but if we get some proper word of god there might be something (though in theory if it's a dead character returning it could be a dream or apparition or something instead of a flashback so could still be speculation)

Edited by HalfFaust on Mar 26th 2019 at 4:08:31 AM

Wonder Woman 1984:

• The '80s:
  • The film is set in 1984, as the title itself indicates. The first still shows Steve Trevor and extras with 1980s clothes and '80s Hair (one extra even has a pornstache), and the second still has Diana looking at multiple screens, including one that shows Dallas and another that shows National Lampoon's Vacation. Speculative; production stills are not the work.
  • A famous 1980s Georgetown Punk shop, the Commander Salamander, has been recreated for the film. Speculation
  • The cast struck a pose mimicking the poster of The Breakfast Club. It doesn't seem like this is part of the work? This could go under the Trivia tab maybe.
• Cat Folk: Cheetah has the appearance of a human-cheetah hybrid, and a set of feline superpowers. Speculation
• Flashback: Reportedly, Robin Wright reprises her role of Antiope for flashback sequences (the character died in 1918, in the first film). Reportedly, this is speculation with added Weasel Words
• The Mall: Leaked footage from the 2018 SDCC showed an action scene taking place at a mall, with Diana catching two mooks with the Lasso of Truth and dragging them behind as she runs. Speculation, ZCE. The Mall isn't just "malls exist." How is the setting used within the work? We don't know, because the work isn't out.
  • The first still of Chris Pine also shows him at a mall.
• Mythology Gag: Has its own page. There is ZERO reason to have a separate page for two examples. Both examples are speculation based on production stills.
• Prequel: Since the movie is set in 1984, the story takes place about thirty years before Diana's first screen appearance in modern-day in Batman v Superman. For context, Clark Kent/Superman is still a young child, Bruce Wayne/Batman is a teen by this point and and Arthur Curry/Aquaman, Barry Allen/The Flash, and Victor Stone/Cyborg haven’t even been born yet. Speculation
• Really 700 Years Old: It's been over six decades since World War I, all the humans Diana met at that time are dead or at least very old by the mid-1980s, and she still looks like a 30-something woman due to being an Amazon demigoddess. Speculation
• Time Skip: Sixty six years have passed since Diana saw the end of World War I. Speculation
• Title by Number: Wonder Woman 1984, with "1984" indicating the year it is set in. Speculation; it's possible this is a Working Title.

Ahem Should I conclude that you are in favor of cutting the page or is it speculation as well?

In this case your speculation is correct. (-:

The mall is used for an action sequence. I know someone personally who acted as an extra during the sequences with a friend of hers. It's at the Landmark Mall in Alexandria, Virginia, which is otherwise closed save for a Sears store and is due for redevelopment.

I'm pretty sure it's too late to change something like this at thus point in production.

Edited by Brainulator9 on Mar 26th 2019 at 2:06:14 PM

More to put it on everyone's radar than anything: Five Nights At Freddys VR Help Wanted

I haven't checked in depth yet but I know from past experience that this page will be rife with speculation. It's the newest in a series of games whose creator thrives on vague, hint-based storytelling.

However, I'm not sure it's worth checking just yet, as the troper who originally made it and its YMMV page did a God-awful job capitalizing the page name. It's literally Videogame.Fivenightsatfreddysvrhelpwanted and YMMV.Fivenightsatfreddysvrhelpwanted right now.

The pages are already on the Cut List thanks to someone else and the content preserved on Sandbox.Pages In Accidentally Miscapitalised Namespaces Second Half in preparation for being remade later. I also moved it to Sandbox.Five Nights At Freddys VR Help Wanted, with proper capitalization, before noticing the other sandbox.

Why was the action scene in a mall, and not somewhere else? Why were the characters in a mall in the first place? How was the action affected by the setting it was set in?

Even your language trying to justify it as not Speculative Troping is speculative. You're "pretty sure" it's too late to change? You know what would make you absolutely sure? The movie coming out.

Edited by HighCrate on Mar 26th 2019 at 12:28:43 PM

@Brainulator9 Agreed that "speculation" isn't exactly the best word to use here, but I think HighCrate's trying to point out that just saying that "X occurs in a mall" is People Sit on Chairs.

Edited by Albert3105 on Mar 26th 2019 at 2:59:47 AM

At this point, I think I understand. Time will tell if the building will have its structure utilized or just exist to garnish the story for the time period.

I mean, the circumstances are similar to that of Dixie Square Mall in The Blues Brothers from what I can tell. Fit up a former mall, use it to film, and then the building will see no further use at that state.

Edited by Brainulator9 on Mar 26th 2019 at 6:07:33 AM