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Friggin page topper.
Maybe redirect it? I don't know where to redirect to, though.
edited 17th Oct '17 11:35:21 AM by Karxrida
Marvel's Spider-Man has an abnormally long Broken Base for a a show that premiered less than three months ago.
I had no idea this series even existed, so I can't comment on the validity of those examples, but that is just painful to read through, so my subjective opinion is that at least some of it has to go.
I'm not familiar with that show, but many of these appear to have been written either before or right after an episode had aired, and they don't seem to really be major, Flame War inducing issues that split the fanbase into two opposing factions.
Re: Dangonronpa, why not just redirect it to the main Broken Base page and move the valid entries there? That way anyone who goes searching for Dangonronpa Broken Base entries will be redirected to the place where the few valid entries currently live.
Waxing Name just added (or readded) this entry for Fire Emblem.
edited 19th Oct '17 11:06:10 AM by RAlexa21th
I'm not seeing the no middle ground criterion, cut it. Nor the "exceptionally vicious conflict". Most people lean on one side or another but won't start a war with somebody stating the oppiste opinion.
edited 19th Oct '17 11:11:56 AM by Yumil
He didn't re-add anything, to clarify. That said, can an archtype count as a character anyway? I mean, those are generic examples, instead of specific members of the archtype being an issue. It's pretty clearly misuse due to this factor too.
It had been agreed upon that most of BrokenBase.New Danganronpa V 3 did not qualify, so even if we can't cut the page, I may as well just trim down all the petty squabbles while we figure out what to do with the subpage.
I also noticed that other games in the franchise have dubious Broken Base entries. I'll start with Super Danganronpa 2 since it has only one:
The first Danganronpa has quite a few more, however:
edited 19th Oct '17 8:00:31 PM by Zuxtron
I removed commented out examples from YMMV.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic S 7 E 25 Shadow Play Part 1 and YMMV.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic S 7 E 26 Shadow Play Part 2 on basis that the episodes haven't aired yet but someone added them back because they've been leaked.
edited 20th Oct '17 12:59:57 PM by Silverblade2
Were they actually leaked or released officially in different parts of the world? I know that some areas get them earlier than the US.
BB entries are always too early, and at the very least, the actual episodes need to be released worldwide anyway before it's possible to remotely get a proper consensus. And that's unlikely to happen for a while after release as is. Call them here, please.
I've cleaned up the worst of the misuse on BrokenBase.New Danganronpa V 3 for now, since the cut didn't go through.
From Metroid: Zero Mission:
This is mentioned again under They Changed It, Now It Sucks!:
Is this a significant enough divide in the audience to warrant an entry? I can honestly say that I don't think I've ever heard anyone claim that the original NES Metroid is better than the Zero Mission remake. On the contrary, most fans agree that Metroid hasn't aged very well and Zero Mission is a superior game.
There are some who think the NES version is better, but I've never heard any sort of real controversy or flame wars about it. Disagreement is not the same as the kind of civil war the trope requires.
Personally, I like both.
Yeah cut that and maybe change it to Fandom Rivalry as that would work Better although mention in the entry that it is downplayed.
I'm a little new to the cleaning up scene, so if there's nothing wrong with what I posted down below, gimme a holler.
From the Crash Bandicoot YMMV page:
A lot of the examples either repeat themselves (3 out of 5 of them are about Naughty Dog games vs later games) or show bias (first example starts off with "The fandom. Oh dear God, the fandom." I feel like a lot of the examples should be merged together or cut out since a lot of it repeats itself over and over, but what do you guys think?
Yeah, bullets 1, 2, and 4 should be condensed to one, if it's kept.
Bullets 3 and 5 don't describe anything more than differing opinions. Minor points, minor arguments. No fandom civil wars. They should be cut.
Bullets 3 and 5 should be edited if they are kept. They're missing commas.
The fact that there are three separate listings on Naughty Dog vs. Other Developers seems to indicate that the bases aren't split enough to actually be broken.
The Sonic the Hedgehog page needs a huge amount of scrubbing. I'm going to take out the ones that obviously don't meet the requirements (characters being "barely announced" before having fan wars break out, or having 5 sides to a debate, any situation where one group is labeled "the indifferent fans"...)
edited 24th Oct '17 11:27:14 AM by VerySunshine
YMMV.Harry Potter And The Chamber Of Secrets
It's so minor I've never heard of this split before.
YMMV.Fargo Season One
There's something missing. How is it divisive?
For the first one, I have heard that debate, but it's not even close to something most people passionately care about. (I tend towards thinking the Harry Potter fandom isn't really capable of having Broken Base examples at all - too many factions).
The second one, yeah, I can guess at, but doesn't make sense as it's written now.
Yeah, the first one doesn't seem like a serious divide in the fandom. And the only thing I've heard people agree on is who was cast as Luna.
The second isn't an example as written. It describes an event in the series, but nothing about the actual trope, like what anyone at all thinks of it.
edited 25th Oct '17 9:44:57 AM by AnotherDuck
Delete the Harry Potter one. That definitely isn't a sustained and/or vicious issue among the fanbase.
The Fargo example is a Zero Context Example. If the example cannot be backed up, delete it.
edited 25th Oct '17 9:46:36 AM by BZL8
ooooooooooooooooooh great. Xenoblade Chronicles X . My bullshit sense is tingling.
half of this shit is pre-release guess. And then the other half is a mix of... random whining (seriously, the base is broken because prog ares is farmgod tier ? nani the fuck ?), things the base isn't split about (where in the hell is there a flamewar because rook is silent or because reward tickets exists ?)
The only remotely salvageable thing would be the whole localization debacle, but condensed into a single bullet point, and maybe the music one. and that's a big maybe.
edited 26th Oct '17 2:37:06 AM by Yumil
I actually don't think music should be kept as the entry says it is near universally liked with only a few people with different tastes not liking it which is not quite a Broken Base as different people will like different music, so no issue there.
edited 26th Oct '17 6:09:50 AM by miraculous
Nah, it's more like Sawano being praised because 90% of the OST is universally liked. Just that remaining 10% isn't, but it's very controversial due to the the quality of the vocals in them which quite a few fans dislike. The idea that it's the presence of the vocals themselves is not the problem though, so that first entry can be deleted. A lot of the issue comes down to people thinking the song shouldn't be rap, or that having rap is OK but the particular rapper/singer combo sucks.
edited 26th Oct '17 10:12:17 AM by AlleyOop
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