The Scrappy Cleanup

Sounds more like Creator's Pest since it only talks about the people on the staff hating Orbitty, not the fans.

This was just added to Ed, Edd n Eddy:

• The Scrappy:
  • Sarah falls under this to a lot of fans. She's an annoying brat of a child who pretty much does nothing but act bossy towards the other characters (Including her Morality Pet, Jimmy), is loud and obnoxious, and pretty much ABUSES Ed (who, for the most part, is unbelievably nice/loyal to her... when he's not fearing her) both physically and verbally while being a Karma Houdini (IE: "Ed, you have to do as I say no matter what, or I'll tell Mom!").
  • Ed and Sarah's mother, as it's strongly implied she's psychologically abusive towards Ed and is the reason Sarah is such a brat in the first place.
  • Jimmy isn't well-liked by fans either. He's probably the second most disliked character behind Sarah. Most of this stems from him being "weak," "girly," & crying a lot. He also garners bile for his antagonistic role in the episode "If It Smells Like An Ed."
  • Out of the Kankers, Lee. Marie is considered intriguing and good looking, May has Hidden Depths and the most sympathetic personality. Lee, on the other hand, is seen as obnoxious and unattractive so she's the one who gets the most hate.

I deleted those in the past for the following motives:

• Sarah is an obnoxious brat with no redeeming qualities. The show consistently portrays her in a bad light, so the hatred she gets from fans seems very much intended. That would make her a Hate Sink, not The Scrappy.
• Ed's mother is never seen, she is only mentioned in a few episodes when Ed thinks he is going to get grounded. She is a plot device, not an actual, developed character that can attract fans' ire.
• I think the entry about Jimmy can stay. He is one of the least popular characters on the show due to his whiny nature and propensity to cry, and I don't think he was meant to be hated for these two particular traits.
• The Kanker sisters are the show's antagonists, and are hated both in-universe and out. Since Lee was deliberately created to elicit a negative response from the audience, she would be a Hate Sink, not The Scrappy.

Are those valid reasons?

Yes. Although Jimmy could be excuse, depending on the episode. He has episodes where he is nothing but Sarah's lackey. By default, shouldn't he count as a Hate Sink too?

No, hate sinks are always expected to he hated. Depending On The Writer...maybe.

So about a year and a half ago I made a post in here asking about how the Sonic Scrappy page had a line that appeared to be a personal gripe against Laura Bailey, and it was agreed that it should be cut.

Turns out the same "gripe" somehow continues to exist on the Sonic Riders YMMV page (it was even italicised for emphasis):

The specific line can be cut, though the rest will either need to be expanded (possibly taking from the series-wide page) or commented out as a ZCE.

Odd. I thought Laura Bailey was one of the most well-loved modern VAs.

Cross posting from the Ensemble Darkhorse thread:

On the YMMV page for Justice League (2017), the Russian family is listed as both The Scrappy and as an Ensemble Dark Horse. Now, the Ensemble Dark Horse entry actually cites a few reviews and articles praising the family, and they're also listed on the Live-Action Films subpage as well. Nothing cited for The Scrappy and they are not listed on the any of those subpages. So what should be done? Cut one of the entries, both entries, our merge them into a Base-Breaking Character entry?

Edited by chasemaddigan on Sep 7th 2020 at 5:53:24 AM

From Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Out of the Shadows, I assume these are to be cut due to being "disliked incarnation of a character", right?

• The Scrappy:
  • The film's portrayal of Casey Jones is not well-liked when compared to the original character's darkhorse reputation. Many viewers reason that the film wasted what could have been a near-perfect casting for the character and forced him to play a bland, generic bore that the film doesn't even try to give any resemblance to his more beloved counterparts.
  • April isn't liked either thanks to her awkward sexualization and Megan Fox's bland performance. It didn't help that Fox's performance seemed like a step-down from the 2014 movie.
  • The film's incarnation of Krang, due to his awkward introduction into the narrative, his vague characterization and cliche dialogue with other characters, and small screentime (appearing only in the first and final acts) despite being the main villain.

I say cut.

Slashed.

Bringing up the following example from Blade Runner 2049:

• Rescued from the Scrappy Heap: While the original is far too much of a classic for him to be truly hated, Harrison Ford's rather subdued acting as Rick Deckard is a common source of criticism for the first movie. In this film, by contrast, Ford was given high praise for his subtle and complex performance as an older, more vulnerable Deckard despite his limited screentime.

That sounds more like He Really Can Act than anything.

Edited by Magnimik on Sep 9th 2020 at 7:46:18 PM

From Bomberman 64: The Second Attack!:

It's been ages since I've kept tabs on the (admittedly rather small) Bomberman fandom, but Pommy never felt like he was that hated at all. And certainly not unanimously. I guess it could apply to casual players, but even then most opinions I've seen on Pommy have either been amusement or indifference at worst.

From YMMV.The Suite Life Of Zack And Cody:

• The Scrappy: Cody during the Suite Life on Deck, for his outright Jerkass ways and how he treated Zack, London, Woody and even Bailey. Cody would act like superior to everyone else because of his intelligence, treat Zack and London like total morons, and be misogynistic towards Bailey to the point of parody. A good example of this is when Cody competes with Bailey in various sports simply to "prove his male dominance" against her, then gets pissed off when she beats him at everything, and in "Kitchen Casanova" he's blind to Bailey's feelings of resentment toward how he treats her compared to other girls in the cooking class, his reason being "[he] didn't wanna have a bias for Bailey" even though he did the same thing with the other girls toward her.

Sounds more like Character Derailment / Took a Level in Jerkass to me, maybe Flanderization of his superiority complex.

Edited by mightymewtron on Sep 14th 2020 at 12:53:43 PM

Isn't Character Derailment considered Flame Bait? I wonder why... The Scrappy isn't Flame Bait, even though it's more negative.

Character Derailment is inherently about complaining about characters and is highly subjective. The Scrappy is just us reporting on how fans feel. It's a negative opinion but we're not the ones expressing it.

Personally I did loathe Cody during On Deck, which doesn't mean much but does prove hatred for him does exist.

The Scrappy has a specific requirement of being nigh-universal within a fandom, which is probably why it isn't Flame Bait, since it's less likely to cause flame wars.

I didn't care about Cody much in either Suite Life but that's because I was, like, ten.

Edited by mightymewtron on Sep 14th 2020 at 1:26:37 PM

So what are we going to do? The entry as it is is invalid for sure.

From TheScrappy.Super Mario Bros:

• Il Piantissimo from Super Mario Sunshine. His races can be difficult for some players, and he'll arrogantly trash-talk you if you lose, with Mario losing a life afterward. In-Universe, even the Piantas hate his guts, referring to him as a "rogue", "creep", "uncool", "inconsiderate" and are very insulted by his Pianta costume.

Sounds more like Hate Sink, doesn't it?

Cut it, I guess.

From YMMV.Yu Gi Oh ZEXAL:

• Kotori is one of the most despised character in the franchise for being nothing but Lolicon Fanservice (which sometimes happens in episodes for no reason at all) who does nothing but be The Load whose only lines in an episode are pretty much just shouting Yuma's name many, MANY times. It doesn't help her case that the fanbase think she's reaching Creator's Pet and Spotlight-Stealing Squad status due to her appearing in almost every single episode despite contributing nothing but a Mandatory Line, being featured prominently in openings and endings for no reason but the aforementioned Fanservice, and having merchandise centered around her when other more popular and likable characters hardly get featured. When compared to her predecessor Anzu Masaki/Téa Gardner from the original series, a lot of people actually prefer Anzu/Téa over Kotori despite having similar roles.^note For all the flack Anzu/Téa gets for being a (supposed) friendship-obsessed cheerleader, she did have her own character arc (albeit understated) of becoming a dancer and she was assertive in her loyalty to her friends (even standing up to Kaiba once) despite having only a few duels to her name. She also does not Duel outside of a single episode. The hate extends to head writer Shin Yoshida, as fans considered her the worst example of his treatment of the series' female characters, and were relieved that he wasn't involved with Yuzu in the ARC-V anime ^note The fact that Shin Yoshida has gone on record saying that left to his own devices he tends to have few female characters really doesn't help, but unfortunately, he's involved with Yuzu's manga counterpart, with predictable results thus far., It was later revealed that Yoshida would be involved in the production of VRAINS, and as expected, he did not handle Aoi very well, as while she did duel more, she was ultimately set up to get defeated and forgotten about several times, not doing much to advance the story.

This is really long... And I'm pretty sure a Scrappy entry shouldn't go into bashing one of the writers. It's not even talking about Kotori after a while...

Edited by Oshawott337 on Sep 14th 2020 at 6:08:57 AM