Do you have trouble remembering the difference between Deathbringer the Adorable and Fluffy the Terrible?
Do you have trouble recognizing when you've written a Zero-Context Example?
Not sure if you really have a Badass Bookworm or just a guy who likes to read?
Well, this is the thread for you. We're here to help you will all the finer points of example writing. If you have any questions, we can answer them. Don't be afraid. We don't bite. We all just want to make the wiki a better place for everyone.
Useful Tips:
- Make sure that the example makes sense to both people who don't know the work AND don't know the trope.
- Wrong: The Mentor: Kevin is this to Bob in the first episode.
- Right: The Mentor: Kevin takes Bob under his wing in the first episode and teaches him the ropes of being a were-chinchilla.
- Never just put the trope title and leave it at that.
- Wrong: Badass Adorable
- Right: Badass Adorable: Xavier, the group's cute little mascot, defeats three raging elephants with both hands tied behind his back using only an uncooked spaghetti noodle.
- When is normally far less important than How.
- A character name is not an explanation.
- Wrong: Full Moon Silhouette: Diana
- Right: Full Moon Silhouette: At the end of her transformation sequence into Moon Princess Misty, Diana is shown flying across the full moon riding a rutabaga.
Other Resources:
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) and Fan-Preferred Couple (here). Tropers are better able to give feedback on examples you bring up to specific threads.
For cleaning up examples of Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard, you must use their dedicated threads: Complete Monster Cleanup, Magnificent Bastard Cleanup.
Edited by Synchronicity on Sep 18th 2023 at 11:42:55 AM
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Doesn't Power Rangers reuse footage? It falls more in a gray area between the two.
Agreed, nothing saying we can assume the translators couldn't possibly have known of the term.
They do use footage from the source material. I think the trope can count on the grounds Tropes Are Flexible.
Edited by WhirlRX on Sep 10th 2022 at 2:43:56 PM
lmao
Can Call-Back work for when a Fan Work references back to/discusses an official character's backstory that only happened in their source material (when it's plot relevant)?
Although not from the exact same story, I'd think it's technically an earlier event under the assumption that it's in line with the continuity of that official character's story.
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Noted, as well as the distinction between Call-Back and Continuity Nod. Thank you! ![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
Edited by BlackFaithStar on Sep 10th 2022 at 6:23:35 PM
Pantheon Wick Cleaning
Looking at the description on Call-Back, I don't see anything that prohibits fanfic (indeed the page has an entire sub page of fan created works). I would provisionally say it's allowed.
Be sure you note the distinction between Call-Back and Continuity Nod. A Call-Back requires the brought up plot point to be relevant to the current plot, whereas a Continuity Nod is just bringing up a past event.
I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
Hi, I attempted to edit a section regarding the video "Homer Simpson's Body Transformation" in the What an Idiot page of Dark Simpsons
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WhatAnIdiot/DarkSimpsons
- "Homer Simpson's Body Transformation" Homer goes through a long but thorough workout montage and gets into shape
You'd Expect: Marge Simpson to support him, or at least admire his new body. After all, she was shown helping him in some of his exercises.
Instead: She cheats on him with Ned Flanders.
Result: He ends up in a worse shape from comfort eating.
The first thing you could do is ask the troper who reverted it why it wasn't an example so they could explain their reasoning.
But looking at it, I don't see it's an example. For one thing, who's the idiot supposed to be? Homer working out, then binge eating due to depresssion isn't exactly "idiotic". Marge ... maybe, but the example focuses on Homer instead. Also, I'm not even sure of the context of her cheating on him, so how is that "idiotic"?
It's just a muddled mess of an example.
I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
Discarded and Feeling Blue
Yeah, this is just complaining about what Marge did, it's not something "idiotic". (Besides, in canon Marge has been shown to be willing to cheat on Homer in the past so it's in character)
Edited by WarJay77 on Sep 10th 2022 at 9:30:23 AM
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
Ah, I see, well it's meant to be directed at Marge's actions. But I see something like this would be more directed at the Dark Simpsons Tearjerker page: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/TearJerker/DarkSimpsons
If this is solely a complaint about a character in a show, then be aware that the site looks down on examples that are created solely to complain. Also, it's not great that when one trope fails, you immediately try to find another trope to shoehorn it into.
I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
She / Her
Seconded. That and, it doesn't come off as a character doing something stoopid to me.
Lost in Space
Also, The Simpsons is an animated sitcom that derives most of its jokes from its characters being stupid, so it seems unfair to get particularly upset about any one instance of characters being stupid.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Hullo. I wanted to add an example to the work Real Mo Tamani Wa Uso Wo Tsuku about how main character Nanami's mother realised that Nanami's friend Kaori is actually a boy named Kaoru thanks to (among other things) Nanami mentioning "Kaoru" in a conversation.
However, I'm not sure whether that should fall under Freudian Slip, Accidental Misnaming or something else entirely.
For context, Nanami is a Hikikomori and is approaching her mother about attending school again. She at first says that it's because Kaori convinced her, but as the conversation goes on and her mother asks what she wants to do, she unwittingly says, "I want to go to school with Kaoru". (The Japanese version can be seen here: https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/86131803#1)
From America's Got Talent
- Real-Life Relative:
- Nick Cannon's then-wife Mariah Carey did a guest performance during Season 4's finals.
- Similarly, Heidi's then-husband Seal was a guest judge in Season 12's Judge Cuts.
- Dwayne Wade, Gabrielle Union's husband, was also a guest judge in the Judge Cuts during the latter's time on AGT.
AGT is a reality show and these "real life relatives" aren't playing the "role" of the "cast members' on-screen relatives"
CelestaPlebs
I need some help with these examples on Permanently Missable Content.
- This very Wiki, as new rules are made, pages had to be cut for being non-conformant. This have lead to content being lost forever.
- The long choreographed list of historically significant CPUs, GPUs and sound cards was believed lost forever, since one troper thought it would be a good idea to move it to a Trivia page, which was followed a few months later by a new rule stating that Useful Notes pages should not have Trivia pages. Luckily, the data for the CPU page was still present in the edit history, so another troper was able to re-add it when TVTropes implemented the new Timeline pages of which the list is a perfect fit. Information for GPU and Sound Cards have not yet been fully restored owing to the info being missing from the History of the pages, however the information has been found on the Wayback Machine and is being restored into the new Timeline subpages for the respective pages.
- Troper Tales, anecdotes from fellow tropers, became lost forever because a new rule forbidding them got passed.
- Similar to the Useful Notes example above but on a more genuinely permanent scale, when the same rule was applied to Just for Fun pages, a lot of content related to Inspector Spacetime was lost, including the character pages. Fortunately this time the content was migrated off wiki to be preserved.
- Beginning 2021, TVTropes started a purge of works and creators pages it deems unsatisfactory. This means these shows and creators now no longer have a page on TV Tropes.
what the fuck is that last bullet even talking about? who added that? and when?
Lost in Space
Umm, TV Tropes is not a video game, so that trope is completely ineligible.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
the Retromancer
It's all a complaint disguised as a misuse.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Yeah, it reads like a bunch of passive-aggressive complaining shoehorned into a trope.
I think it's about the fact that work or creator pages are cut if they are badly written, like stubs or plagiarism.
Edited by kundoo on Sep 11th 2022 at 9:29:17 AM
i am legit concerned about whoever added that last bit because it sounds like they're talking about the time we purged Stonetoss, Sister Floriana, and all those other alt-right works we couldn't trope neutrally. they're framing it as an Orwellian campaign of censorship against "unsatisfactory" works.
Re the Kaoru/Kaori example, I think that might be Saying Too Much? Definitely not Accidental Misnaming since it's his real name, and I don't think Freudian Slip since I understand that to be saying something with a completely different meaning.
I found this example in Descended Creator where I don't understand the meaning so I highlighted it.
- Stephen King played Jordy Verrill in Creepshow, a meatier role than his usual Creator Cameo.
Now a lurker. Thanks for everything. | he/him
I was wondering if the last bullet is referring to the Let's Play purge we’ve been doing.
TRS Queue | Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining | Troper Wall
It means the role is bigger than usual. Normal King has a one or two line cameo in adaptations of his work (a lot like Stan Lee in MCU movies). It's saying that the role is more than that.
the Retromancer
Why Permanently Missable Content even has non-videogame examples, they sound like Temporary Online Content or just removed features.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Does CPR count as a First Kiss? From Tomb Raider (2013):
And asking again about the examples posted here.
