Is this an example?

Is this example from Scooby-Doo and Guess Who? OK, or trope misuse?

• Alternate Continuity: The Flash episode shows that the series is not in continuity with the original series.
• Artistic License – Cars: The Metropolitan Police in London have never used a 2005-2009 Vauxhall Astra Sporthatch in day-to-day work (aside from a one-off publicity photo circa 2006-2007) despite "Elementary My Dear Shaggy" showing a series of police cars showing up in London alongside the Mystery Machine as being these. Even if it is trying to establish the setting is British (Vauxhall are an iconic British brand), the Metropolitan Police in London use BMW 5-Series F10 and Volvo V70 stationwagons. Real-life police would never use the Vauxhall as it has two doors and is impractical for day-to-day use, plus the 1.8-litre engine is under-sized for the daily driving demands of the police.
• Comic-Book Time: Discussed in "Elementary My Dear Shaggy" when Shaggy questions how old Sherlock Holmes really is and Sherlock claims he's immortal. Then again, the gang haven't aged a day in 52 years, so this trope is played straight, unless they're descendants of the originals. However, this is one of the features of the Scooby-Doo franchise, which can explain away why the gang seemingly don't age.

Edited by Merseyuser1 on Jun 29th 2021 at 11:23:09 AM

WesternAnimation.Raya And The Last Dragon

• Darker and Edgier: While there is some humor and levity in the film and the story ends on a hopeful note, the initial setting is bleak and despairing. Petrified remains litter the landscape as most of the population has fallen victim to the Drunn, and those that remain are isolated and generally distrustful of each other.

I believe it needs to explain what it's Darker and Edgier compared to in order to count.

• Never My Fault: After being beaten by Raya during their final fight in the Fang castle, Namaari calls out to Raya that "you're as much to blame for Sisu's death as I am" which is blatantly inaccurate. While it can be debated that Namaari wasn't intending to actually shoot her crossbow and Raya's defensive actions caused the tragic misfire, this completely ignores the fact that Namaari brought a crossbow to the peace meeting in the first place. Whatever goodwill Namaari accrued from coming alone and bringing the dragon gem fragment was immediately wiped out when she drew her weapon and she never accepts responsibility for doing this just as she never acknowledges how much her betrayal hurt Raya.

This sounds more like Unintentionally Unsympathetic if she's not treated as in the wrong for such. And that Namaari invoked Please Kill Me if It Satisfies You implies yes she is aware that this is her fault. At least it seems a bit complainy as written. (If Never My Fault is not YMMV does it have to be intentional?)

From Characters.Harry Potter Severus Snape:

• Jerkass:
  • He was a rather nasty person to every student. He's also remarkably unprofessional by openly displaying contempt to Remus Lupin, who's a fellow teacher and then mocking him in front of his students by trying to "out" him first and then actually going ahead with it after Sirius escapes Hogwarts. Snape always finds the time to insult the Potters and Gryffindors, no matter the occasion.
  "Snape was no obviously less partisan...He was also turning a deaf ear to the many reports of Slytherin attempts to hex Gryffindor players in the corridors. When Alicia Spinnet turned up in the hospital wing with her eyebrows growing so thick and fast they obscured her vision and obstructed her mouth, Snape insisted she must have attempted a Hair-Thickening Charm on herself and refused to listen to the fourteen eye-witnesses who insisted they'd seen the Slytherin Keeper, Miles Bletchley, hit her from behind with a jinx while she worked in the library".
  • He was also a jerk to his fellow classmates, even if to a marginally lesser extent, as a child. Unsurprisingly, it's why his only friends were future Death Eaters and Lily Evans and even then, she cut ties with him.
• Jerk with a Heart of Gold: Not as a general rule, since he is a genuinely mean and unpleasant jerkass, but during Hogwarts Mystery, he is very impressed by Penny Haywood's aptitude at potions, so much so that Snape actually treats her kindly (much to the surprise of the player character).

Since the super-trope (Jerkass) is not to be listed when its sub-trope is (i.e. Jerk with a Heart of Gold), should we remove the Jerkass entry from the page?

Hogwarts Mystery is a spinoff video game, so it doesn't invalidate the Jerkass trope being listed for his role in the original books.

I see. I must have been mistaken.

Should the Jerk with a Heart of Gold entry be moved to Adaptational Nice Guy, in this case?

Edited by gjjones on Jun 29th 2021 at 9:44:50 AM

From YMMV.Smallfoot.

• No Yay: For some viewers, Migo and Meechee’s romance is this considering Channing Tatum is nearly old enough to be Zendaya’s father.

The original version of the example didn't have the "nearly" part, making it look like he was like twenty or thirty years older than her, when he's actually only sixteen years older. It's not impossible for someone to be a father at sixteen, but it's unlikely.

But its a cartoon. Eould thst still fit even though they are just voicing a character?

I would say yes, that makes sense.

From YMMV.Mortal Kombat 1.

• Seinfeld Is Unfunny: This game hasn't aged well, and when played today, few players find it very fun; the controls are clunky and cumbersome, and the actual fights are kind of boring in comparison to the newer entries in the franchise (each Kombatant had only two or three special moves, with no combos). And the digitized sprites weren't very appealing even back then, so HD play isn't much improvement.

This entry seems good and from playing the game myself I can say is true but I doubt that it is this trope as this feels like a completely different trope.

Is the Season 6 premiere of Superstore that showcased the employees' life during the beginnings of COVID-19 a Very Special Episode, or is it just Ripped from the Headlines? Especially since COVID continues to be a thing during the season.

Edited by mightymewtron on Jun 29th 2021 at 2:11:46 PM

From BrokenBase.Live Action TV:

• Suburgatory fandom cannot decide whether the use of Snap Back and Status Quo Is God for Season 3, when the preceding seasons had a Wham Episode or two and as episodic as it seemed, there was a Myth Arc of sorts of being a Fish out of Water in Chatswin. Although it may not seem continuity-heavy, the decision to use Status Quo Is God still proves controversial now

I honestly don't know what else it could be.
I would say it's Ripped from the Headlines. Very Special Episodes are designed to teach the viewer about serious topics, usually in an Anvilicious way. I'm not saying COVID isn't a serious topic, but it's not as much of a good target as drugs or alcohol, and Superstore doesn't seem like the kind of show to have these kinds of episodes.
I'm not familiar with the show, but if it actually is episodic (as in, not story-driven), then the use of Status Quo Is God shouldn't matter since that's to be expected from an episodic show. Unless someone in the show's fanbase can attest that this is true, I don't see how it's a big deal.

This was added to Raya and the Last Dragon

• Top God: Pengu, the Oldest of the Dragons. When Sisu gets her New powers from a piece of the Gem, she referes to the powers coming from her older or younger now named sibling. When presenting the Dragon Statues to Raya, She introduces her to her already mentioned siblings but when she comes to Pengu she solemny calls him our Big Brother who "brings the rain" [a life-giving Force of Nature rather than Fog or Shapeshifting]. He was also The Leader who refused to give up and who decided that they had to create the Dragon Gem,

The movie does not support that Pengu is the Oldest of the Dragons, nor that he's the "top" or highest dragon of the dozens of dragons shown to qualify as the "top god".

I've been trying to engage the troper that originally posted the entry in a discussion but they don't seem to be interested.

When Sisu takes Raya to the mountain top in Heart, she says "I want you to meet my brothers and sisters". Her introduction of Amba, Pranee, Jagan, Pengu all are done in the context of a family introduction and follow the same basic format... variations of "this is (name) their power is (xxx)

When she gets to Pengu, she says... "And Pengu. He's our big brother. He brings the rain."

There is definitely a sense of solemnity and respect when she addresses Pengu, but despite the example having "our" in bold, she puts no special vocal emphasis on the word that would imply a grand, plural "OUR" meaning he is the big brother of all the dragons.

What Sisu says in the movie only establishes him as the oldest brother of Sisu's brothers and sisters.

It was suggested that "he brings the rain" implies that he has a grand power higher than other dragons. However, the movie shows the power as being able to summon rain at will. It doesn't create clouds, it doesn't create the water, it simply causes it to rain.

I can't find anything in the movie that supports Pengu as being a "top god".

Is this trope misuse of Captain Ersatz from WesternAnimation.The Scooby Doo And Scrappy Doo Show:

• Captain Ersatz: Averted. Dusty and Yabba do look a bit like Shaggy and Scooby, though Dusty is a lot more uptight and effeminate then Shaggy. Yabba is a cocky cowboy whose goofs often follow a long schpiel about some time offscreen in the past when the plan worked like a charm.

Surely you can't have a Captain Ersatz within the same show or franchise itself, wouldn't it be a Suspiciously Similar Substitute?

I thought Captain Ersatz was about copyright infringement.

Should this be cut, or another trope used in place?

I agree, that's not Top God.

Can just be pulled on the basis of Averted Trope not being listed unless notable.

Here's something that's getting me confused. What's the #1 difference between Hero with an F in Good and Failure Hero?

Hero with an F in Good is the Good Counterpart to Minion with an F in Evil — a hero who is bad at being good.

Failure Hero is a hero who is defined by failure.

Can you give me an example of the both of them that emphasizes the difference?

I can't think of a character who is both off the top of my head, but Hero with an F in Good is more about personality/actions, while Failure Hero is about success rate.

• Hero with an F in Good: Bob wants to be a Knight in Shining Armor and is a loyal soldier to his liege lord, but because he's a jerk, he can't help but mistreat those around him. He exploits his squire, forgets to feed his horse, and insults the lady he's supposed to be protecting.
• Failure Hero: Bob wants to be a Knight in Shining Armor and is a loyal soldier to his liege lord, but fails to save his squire from getting killed by enemies, loses his horse in a battle, and his lady love is kidnapped by bandits because he couldn't protect her.

In the former, Bob wants to be a good hero and could very well succeed at his quests, but he's got a bad attitude that prevents him from being a straightforward hero (mistreating his squire, horse, and lady).

In the latter, Bob could be an absolute angel, but he fails at his heroic tasks.

Edited by Synchronicity on Jun 30th 2021 at 5:09:26 AM

Would The Klan belong on Evil Race Tropes? I'd also want to put Absolute Xenophobe on there but I'm not sure which category that would go on. Maybe there could be a category for tropes that applies to either real or fantasy races?

Reposting this, because it's been a few days and I have not yet gotten feedback.

Found this on Queer Colors:

The Powerpuff Girls (2016) ends with the heart colored in pink, white, and blue rather than different shades of pink as normal, very reminiscent of the transgender flag. The episode (about a horse who wants to become a unicorn) was originally promoted as a transgender allegory; though Word of God would later claim this wasn't the case, there's no other reason for the flag to be colored that way.

I added the entry in TLP, and I still don't see why the flag was colored that way if not for the subtext.

Hey. I wonder where the badfic My Brave Pony: Starfleet Magic falls on the Sliding Scale of Idealism vs. Cynicism? I mean, the show it's loosely based on generally falls on the idealistic end (not without their limits, of course).

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Like, it has an awful lot of cynical subject matters, like Violence is the Only Option and Virtue Is Weakness.