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Edited by Synchronicity on Sep 18th 2023 at 11:42:55 AM

MichaelKatsuro Since: Apr, 2011
#13576: Oct 31st 2020 at 12:02:22 PM

[up] That's not a Faux Action Girl. That's just an Action Girl who has realistic limitations.

Shyhero Dylexic wrighter from The sofa (Troper Journeyman) Relationship Status: Omelette du fromage~
Dylexic wrighter
#13577: Oct 31st 2020 at 1:36:34 PM

Perhaps the program Dragon Naturally Speaking, is a viable candidate for Instant Awesome Just Add Dragons!

It is a program that will translate your speech out loud into text on the screen for you. The software doesn't involve dragons more so than it does any of a given word in the English language. It seemed to just have Dragon in its name because people like dragons. It used to have a Dragon logo In older versions the new versions are a flame.

Dragon.

HaydenM2001 Since: Aug, 2020
#13578: Oct 31st 2020 at 7:10:51 PM

Would this scene from Ben 10 be an example for "Funny Aneurysm" Moment? It's made rounds on various sites due to the similarities with Jeffrey Epstein, who flew in underage girls to a private island he owned. The episode it was from ("They Lurk Below") aired in 2006- was the stuff about Jeffrey Epstein's island known about by then?

Edited by HaydenM2001 on Oct 31st 2020 at 10:16:41 AM

antenna_ears from California Since: Apr, 2020 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
#13579: Oct 31st 2020 at 8:15:46 PM

From YMMV on The Mask, complete with This Troper:

  • They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot: After getting his powers for the first time, Stanley realizes he could become a superhero and help other people. Instead, he ends up acting like a jackass for the whole movie, getting petty revenge on people and screwing around with the cops and gangsters, only committing a heroic at near the film's end. Thankfully, the idea of The Mask becoming a superhero is used in the animated series.
    • To be fair, Stanley is constantly being pushed around by everyone and given rotten luck at every turn. Getting revenge on someone even if it's petty is still earned. Like getting payback on those repair guys who messed up his car scaring thugs away with a Tommy gun. And besides a superhero Mask will be kinda boring. This troper doubts that any of the Mask's brand of comedy would be accentuated if that superhero plot did happen. Besides, we have Deadpool and Darkwing Duck for that.

DrakeClawfang Since: Apr, 2010
#13580: Oct 31st 2020 at 8:21:40 PM

Months old, but addressing a post on The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13543987200A54420100&page=470#comment-11749

To repaste the removed entry:


  • Game-Breaker:
    • The Magic Cape, which renders the player invisible and invulnerable, automatically renders any boss fight that doesn't require a magic item ridiculously easy. The Cane of Byrna is even better, because it makes you invincible and simultaneously deals damage to enemies. Most experienced players contend that "Only wimps use the cane."
    • The Bombos Medallion might cost a bit of magic, but it will destroy nearly any enemy on the screen outside of bosses. The one boss it works on is Kholdstare, whose shield of ice can be broken more safely and with less magic consumption than the Fire Rod. The Ether Medallion can also count, as even though it doesn't kill as many enemies, the ones it freezes can be hit with the Hammer for magic jars. The Quake Medallion, on the other hand, is significantly weaker than the other two, and usually only gets used for its one required use.
    • The Magic Powder can turn Anti-Fairies into Fairies, which are an extremely common enemy found in almost every dungeon in at least one room, often in multiples. You basically never need Red Potions with the Magic Powder, just know where you can find an Anti-Fairy and you can turn it into a health refill.
    • The Cane of Somaria has so many uses it isn't funny. It creates a block that can be used to hold down switches, which immediately renders a lot of switch puzzles in the game trivial. The block will bounce away enemies that touch it, making it useful for defense (though it disperses after five hits). Finally, swinging the Cane again when a block is already out will make the block explode into four fireballs that travel in the compass directions, damaging enemies, striking Crystal Switches, and flying through Crystal Blocks to do so. Sequence breaking to get the Cane early is a common play and it will be one of your most used utility items once you have it.
    • Speed Runs make heavy use of the Pegasus Boots and the fact that Link flies a few tiles backwards through the air after running into a solid object. This allows players to cross gaps (such as the one at the beginning of the Misery Mire) that would normally require the hookshot or some other item.
    • Silver Arrows will kill everything in one shot, including most bosses. The only thing that keeps them from destroying the game's difficulty is that by the time you get them, you probably only have Turtle Rock and Ganon's Tower left; lucky for Trinexx he's hard to pin down with arrow shots, but the rematch bosses in Ganon's Tower will be over in seconds with the Silver Arrows. Alternatively, if you use a minor glitch, you can use a glitch to trick the game into letting you into the Dark Pyramid fairy fountain without the Super Bomb, and this can be done as soon as you acquire the Magic Hammer; then you can use the Silver Arrows to steamroll the second half of the game.


To begin with the forum post arguing they should be removed, most of the points against it approach these items solely from the perspective of "is it useful in speedruns or randomizer" and "is it useful against bosses." This is simply flawed logic because speedruns are a high-tier level of gameplay that do not use conventional gameplay. Off the top of my head, Final Fantasy VI has several acknowledged game breaking things that speedrunners will not use. Randomizer is such a totally different game that imo directly comparing item functionality from the normal game to the randomizer is irrelevant. And given that boss battles are a comparatively small part of LTTP compared to the dungeons, rating an item's usefulness just on how it performs against bosses is absurd.

For specific rebuttals:

  • The Magic Cape can be acquired as soon as you complete the Dark Palace, and renders the player invincible, invisible, and intangible to enemies while in use. While this restricts use of any other Y-button item, it allows players to bypass most enemies without taking damage, ignore many projectile attacks from enemies, and pass through enemies and obstacles that would otherwise block their path, including walking on spikes safely. The removal post claims that "every boss after it requires a magic item", but this assumes players are not getting it until after Thieves' Town — the Cape can be used against Blind, I believe Mothula, Vitreous, and while one can argue for if it is practical to do so, it can also be used against Kholdstare, Trinexx's second phase, and every boss in Ganon's Tower. In short, the Cape makes many challenges in the game easier.
  • Given that the Sword is generally just as powerful as the Cane of Byrna and its usefulness over the Cape is circumstantial, I concede to this being removed.
  • The Bombos Medallion kills most normal enemies instantly. It is very helpful in rooms with multiple enemies, enemies that are in difficult to reach areas, or when dealing with enemies with high HP, and LTTP has countless such rooms.
  • I'll concede to Magic Power being removed, Anti-Fairies are found in every dungeon but are not ubiquitous and sometimes found very deep in the dungeon or in only one room.
  • I'll also concede removing the Cane of Somaria (iirc I added it but wasn't sure myself at the time), switch puzzles are not exceedingly common or difficult, with the infamous exception of the Ice Palace, and there are several more practical ways to hit Crystal Switches.
  • Agreed with removing the Pegasus Boots, the backward bonking is not that useful, only in a few circumstances.
  • While Silver Arrows are indeed a lategame item, it is possible to use a glitch to acquire them as soon as you complete the Dark Palace, giving you the Silver Arrows for most of the Dark World. Most normal enemies and bosses die in one hit, and they are not entirely outclassed by the Bombos Medallion because they do not consume magic power, and can be preferable for not having a long attack animation. The Silver Arrows can also be used to kill several bosses in one hit (a couple are immune and one boss requires two hits).


In conclusion, while some of the removed entries should go, the Magic Cape, Bombos Medallion, and Silver Arrows should be restored. They provide very helpful utility throughout the game and are not exclusively late-game items and can be acquired early in the Dark World if you know how.

Edited by DrakeClawfang on Oct 31st 2020 at 8:33:44 AM

rjd1922 he/him | Image Pickin' regular from the United States Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
he/him | Image Pickin' regular
#13581: Nov 1st 2020 at 1:56:21 AM

[up]Regarding the Silver Arrows, can it really count as a Game-Breaker if it's a late-game item that can only be acquired early due to a glitch? That could go under Good Bad Bugs, though.

Found this on Series.Dead Ringers. Memetic Sex God is now a disambiguation and shouldn't be used as a trope; is there a legitimate trope this could fall under, like Sex God or Urban Legend Love Life?

  • Memetic Sex God: In-universe. After Rishi Sunak became a sex symbol on twitter, a 2020 episode has him trying to explain to an interviewer he has no idea how this happened, when all he did was talk sexily about how he was going to care for people, and provide for them...

Keet cleanup
MichaelKatsuro Since: Apr, 2011
#13582: Nov 1st 2020 at 2:12:55 AM

antenna_ears: That's Natter, a Justifying Edit, and an example that's not even valid in the first place IMO. Cut it, please.

HighCrate Since: Mar, 2015
#13583: Nov 1st 2020 at 6:41:23 AM

I'll agree with Magic Cape— I'd forgotten just how early you can get it.

I'm still leery about Bombos, though. Yeah, it trivializes "kill rooms," but that's only one kind of obstacle in the game. That's not enough to make it a Game-Breaker IMO. And if you start trying to use it to kill EVERYTHING and bypass combat altogether, you'll run out of magic long before you run out of enemies.

Lermis Purposefully Untitled from Out of touch with reality Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Purposefully Untitled
#13584: Nov 1st 2020 at 8:31:45 AM

So I was looking through the Undertale page, and on the That One Attack list I saw a couple of attacks from a boss that can't actually kill you. Yes, they are incredibly hard to dodge, but do they really count if it doesn't matter whether you can dodge them or not? I "died" a bunch of times on that boss, but didn't affect my progress through the fight at all.

SpaceBattles.com fanworks (unnoficial) index in my Sandbox.
Dghcrh You can't escape this monster from Small country that looks like a fish Since: Dec, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
You can't escape this monster
#13585: Nov 1st 2020 at 8:36:56 AM

Can Crusading Widower apply to situations when somebody wants to take revenge over their child's death or does it only apply to a dead spouse?

I'm mainly a fan of underrated media.
Serac she/her Since: Mar, 2016 Relationship Status: Oh my word! I'm gay!
she/her
#13586: Nov 1st 2020 at 8:40:09 AM

[up][up] Are you talking about the final boss of the Golden Ending route? Yeah, I thought the whole point of that page was to list attacks that will almost certainly kill you. And because the attacks can't kill you, they're misusing it. I removed an instance of a Hopeless Boss Fight that was listed under That One Boss on YMMV.Cross Code for the same reason.

Lermis Purposefully Untitled from Out of touch with reality Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Purposefully Untitled
#13587: Nov 1st 2020 at 8:43:59 AM

[up]Yes, that's the one. I'll remove those right now.

SpaceBattles.com fanworks (unnoficial) index in my Sandbox.
DrakeClawfang Since: Apr, 2010
#13588: Nov 1st 2020 at 10:40:20 AM

@rjd1922 - I don't recall if glitches are supposed count as valid or not, but a glance at a few of the Game-Breaker subpages shows numerous instances of glitch features being mentioned. If not, I'm good with this being added as a Good Bad Bug to mention the glitch that allows it in general.

@HighCrate - true, "kill rooms" are not overly common, but rooms full of enemies are. Bombos' ability to kill Gibdos makes it very useful in Dark Woods and more efficient than the Fire Rod, and it is also very useful in Ice Palace. I can also think of rooms in Thieves' Town, Misery Mire, and Ganon's Tower where one would want it. Spam it every room, certainly not, but it definitely makes several parts of the game easier.

Edited by DrakeClawfang on Nov 1st 2020 at 10:43:27 AM

HighCrate Since: Mar, 2015
#13589: Nov 1st 2020 at 11:16:41 AM

I'm not claiming it's never useful, just that it doesn't rise to the level of Game-Breaker. You can use it judiciously to bypass certain challenges, but its resource requirements mean that it can't utterly trivialize the game as a whole.

DrakeClawfang Since: Apr, 2010
#13590: Nov 1st 2020 at 11:57:24 AM

That's true, fair enough then.

So, Magic Cape to Game-Breaker, Silver Arrows to Good Bad Bugs?

fragglelover Since: Jun, 2012
#13591: Nov 1st 2020 at 4:28:56 PM

This is on The Nightmare Before Christmas:

  • Brick Joke: Jack tasks Dr. Finkelstein to build him a team of flying reindeer after seeing a silhouette illustration in a Christmas Town book. Of course, since Jack used a silhouette for reference, the finished reindeer are skeletons, not living flesh, and Jack doesn't realize that's incorrect.

mightymewtron Angry babby from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Angry babby
#13592: Nov 1st 2020 at 4:46:03 PM

Doesn't seem like there's enough of a gap between the setup and punchline for it to be a brick joke.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Roseface Since: Oct, 2016
#13593: Nov 1st 2020 at 5:36:54 PM

I noticed that sometimes people use Actually Pretty Funny in situations where someone doesn't find something funny, but does give out a compliment. This is especially common when discussing film critics. Here are some examples:

mightymewtron Angry babby from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Angry babby
#13594: Nov 1st 2020 at 5:49:33 PM

Yes, I saw a lot of misuse like that on The Nostalgia Critic too. Actually Pretty Funny is on Tropes Needing TRS with the understanding it may be broadened to include the common misuse of "character begrudgingly admits to finding a joke funny" but these aren't meant to be jokes and don't actually fit there either. Actually a Good Idea may be a better place but I'm not quite sure about that either.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Roseface Since: Oct, 2016
#13595: Nov 1st 2020 at 6:07:16 PM

Well, do we have a super trope for where someone gives a compliment to a work or person they hate?

WhirlRX Since: Jan, 2015
#13596: Nov 1st 2020 at 6:21:24 PM

Would this count as Never My Fault for Blood of Zeus.

  • When Seraphim tries to recruit Heron, he mentions how it were the Gods fault for the death of their mother. While Hera did manipulate events that lead towards it, Seraphim still killed his mother with his own hands.

Edited by WhirlRX on Nov 1st 2020 at 9:23:36 AM

TheGeekArtist08 Hello? Hello, hello? from Hurricane, Utah (no not really) Since: Feb, 2020 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Hello? Hello, hello?
#13597: Nov 1st 2020 at 6:22:22 PM

[up] By the way, the trope is actually Never My Fault.

artsy geek | any pronouns | "well, if you're hearing this, then chances are you've made a very poor career choice."
Twiddler (On A Trope Odyssey)
#13598: Nov 1st 2020 at 8:27:52 PM

[up][up][up] There's The One Thing I Don't Hate About You, but I don't think it covers those reviewer examples.

mightymewtron Angry babby from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Angry babby
#13599: Nov 1st 2020 at 8:32:49 PM

You know, there could be trope potential for "reviewer gives credit to something they otherwise hate," maybe as a YMMV trope. It sounds like complaining but we could require a citation from the critic in question (similar to Eight Deadly Words) to avoid that. It could be called "Reviewer's Saving Grace" (named for Musical Hell's "Saving Grace" feature to note the good parts of movies she dislikes).

(Just crossposted this to Trope Idea Salvage Yard if you wanna discuss this further)

Edited by mightymewtron on Nov 1st 2020 at 11:41:30 AM

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
antenna_ears from California Since: Apr, 2020 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
#13600: Nov 1st 2020 at 8:39:10 PM

[up] What about the name "Caustic Credit", as in Caustic Critic? Edit: Nevermind, "Reviewer's Saving Grace", reference aside, would be more indicative.

Edited by antenna_ears on Nov 1st 2020 at 8:41:26 AM


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