Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
Before adding to the crowner:
- The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
- There must be support from others in thread.
- Any objections should be addressed.
- Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.
When adding to the crowner:
- Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
- Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
In order for a crowner to pass:
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- There must be a 2:1 ratio
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
- Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP index
- Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page
Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need crowner vote.
Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.
After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.
NRLEP tag:
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Notes:
- This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
(she/her)
New crowner hooked
Macron's notes
Crowner for June 25 - July 1:
- Adventure Duo - Characterization
- Apologizes a Lot - Characterization, often a Stereotype
- Bizarre and Improbable Ballistics - Narrative/Characterization, Attracting Military Natter
- Bizarre Taste in Food - Characterization
- Black Comedy - Narrative trope, attracting incredibly tasteless jokes and ROCEJ violations
- Compound-Interest Time Travel Gambit - Impossible in Real Life, attracting ROCEJ violating financial advice
- Deadly Prank - Too Controversial, related to the NRLEP trope Accidental Murder, Too Common
- Freudian Trio - Characterization, getting misuse off-page
- Gaslighting - Too Controversial/Morality (as an abuse trope), Too Common
- Hiding Behind Your Bangs - Characterization
- Humble Hero - Morality, Characterization
- Improbable Aiming Skills - Narrative/Characterization, attracting Military Natter
- Improbable Piloting Skills - Narrative/Characterization, attracting Military Natter
- Irony - Narrative/Plot trope, attracting many ROCEJ-violating examples
- The Kirk - Characterization, getting misuse off-page
- The McCoy - Characterization
- Monstrous Cannibalism - Impossible in Real Life (since it should be used only for supernatural monsters), "cannibalism in the animal kingdom" is Too Common, attracting Squick
- Pink Is for Sissies - Characterization, Too Common, Gossip, Too Controversial
- Poke the Poodle - Morality trope (related to Harmless Villain), Narrative/Characterization
- Real Men Wear Pink - Characterization, Too Common, Gossip
- Scully Syndrome - Characterization, attracting ROCEJ-violating examples
- The Spock - Characterization
- The Unapologetic - Characterization, often a Stereotype
- Unmanly Secret - Characterization, Too Common, Gossip
- Washington D.C. Invasion - Morality, attracting misuse
The Teetotaler is Characterization and Too Common. There are plenty of real people, myself included, who simply refuse to drink alcohol for various reasons.
(she/her)
I said this in the locked pages thread but I think it would be easier to just put all of the called crowner items in the sandboxes we have and then swap them in.
Macron's notes
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yeah, The Teetotaller is Characterization and Gossip.
Parental Abandonment is Gossip, Too Commpn, and Too Controversial.
Nintendo Fanatic Extraordinaire
As a teetotaller myself, I agree that The Teetotaler is too common and attracts gossip.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
God, why are people so intent on keeping Washington D.C. Invasion? I guess the description allergy strikes again :/
This is making me wonder how it's used on the wiki. Do people use it just for evil invasions? I'm gonna do a wick check tonight.
Edited by WarJay77 on Jun 25th 2023 at 12:45:48 PM
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
Nintendo Fanatic Extraordinaire
Washington, DC was invaded in real life before.
It was during the War of 1812 in retaliation for the American forces burning down York (which would later become Toronto upon incorporation in 1834).
This explains why there are votes in favour of keeping real-life examples for Washington D.C. Invasion.
Edited by Nen_desharu on Jun 25th 2023 at 12:49:52 PM
Kirby is awesome.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
I'm aware of that, Nen.
But this is a trope about villains. It's a morality trope.
Hence "description allergy".
Edited by WarJay77 on Jun 25th 2023 at 12:50:08 PM
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
Nintendo Fanatic Extraordinaire
I strongly agree.
I voted in making Washington D.C. Invasion NRLEP anyways because the trope is supposed to be about villainous invaders (and British forces during the War of 1812 are not considered villainous for the purposes of this trope).
Edited by Nen_desharu on Jun 25th 2023 at 12:53:06 PM
Kirby is awesome.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Right, "evil invaders" was the point I was making 
Nintendo Fanatic Extraordinaire
I just corrected my statement to be "villainous" rather than "evil" but my point still stands.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Anyway, if the wick check shows misuse then I suppose it doesn't matter how the crowner goes, since it'll end up in TRS anyway.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
I mean, yeah, it seems weird to make it NRLEP because of a definition that I would give better than 50 percent chances of being changed.
I’m pretty sure that Second Place Is for Losers is Gossip, Too Controversial, Too Common, and possibly Characterization. The trope seems to be about In-Universe reactions to getting second place, so when it’s applied to real life, it seems like it’s Too YMMV, since many people have differing opinions on second place.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
self thump due to accidental duplication when editing, real post below
Edited by WarJay77 on Jun 26th 2023 at 1:18:25 PM
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Well, TBF I wasn't even considering TRS until literally last night because the crowner made it sink in that people don't see this trope right.
I mean, besides maybe the Buzz Aldrin one the others are either just poking fun at situations where second place is losing, or a quote from someone who thinks this way.
Edited by WarJay77 on Jun 26th 2023 at 1:18:32 PM
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
Precursor
I apologize if there's a post somewhere that covers military natter, but is there one? I do think there is a difference between 'weird ballistics and trick shots' and war nerds spamming a page.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I changed the Apologizes a Lot crowner entry to Apologises a Lot because the latter is the primary name for the trope, meaning it would be the one to list on the index and not the redirect.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Perpetually Confused
I want to bring up No OSHA Compliance to be potentially made NRLEP
It has an entire subpage for Real Life examples.
The thing is, the trope isn't about literally breaking regulations, or protocols. It's about a specific aesthetic. Big industrial spaces that are dangerous and unsafe and exist to be dangerous and unsafe for story reasons or for style points.
While the examples are like "They ignored reports that X was a danger and then Y disaster happened" or "Company Y was cutting corners!"
There's probably a further discussion to be had about how many non real-life examples are actually correct, but that's for another thread. The real life examples are definitely encouraging Trope Decay.
Edited by Ghilz on Jun 26th 2023 at 9:09:35 AM
Adora, the High Priestess
Now that you mention it, yeah it seems better to mark it as NRLEP under narrative trope and too common.
Too common because well…
Narrative because it requires a place to just nice be unsafe for that part of the story.
"I just need one of you to come here to give your life to the sun god. It will be for the monkey city's glory."
Goku Black
Alright I'm bringing up OvershadowedByControversy.Real Life. The whole Thing as is is an absolute ROCEDJ clusterfuck. And often really random for what's a media site.
We're taking about Roman emperors, extramarital affairs on random polticians, the actions of us presidents, events and locations ? And just generally controversial people. The whole Thing is just a mess.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
No longer a forum herald
I'd like to point out that on The Coroner Doth Protest Too Much, only the bottom real life folder was deleted (the one in the "Suicide" example section). I'm pretty sure this was an oversight and the other two such folders should also be removed, but I figured I ought to confirm this first.
Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)
It also seems like it’s too common.
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Taken care of.