Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
.
This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
Before adding to the crowner:
- The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
- There must be support from others in thread.
- Any objections should be addressed.
- Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.
When adding to the crowner:
- Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
- Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
In order for a crowner to pass:
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- There must be a 2:1 ratio
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
- Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP index
- Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page
Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need crowner vote.
Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.
After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.
NRLEP tag:
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800
LRLEO tag:
%%The following restrictions apply: [list restriction(s) here]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800
Notes:
- This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
No-lifer
In the meantime, any further improvements to Sandbox.No Real Life Examples Please?
Limpin' with the bizkit.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I added timestamps to the crowner options for Bitch in Sheep's Clothing and Balance Between Good and Evil.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
I added Ending Fatigue to the crowner since it's been discussed but not added yet.
![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
to putting Ending Fatigue to the NRLEP list as a narrative trope.
No-lifer
I did think that the sandbox could have the way of listing tropes by alphabetization instead of categorical sorting (then alphabetizing) restored. But on the other hand, I think some people would still rather have the way of categories. Which sorting would you all prefer?
Personally, I like the categorical sorting better since it prevents tropes from having overly-generic reasons for being NRLEP (e.g. too controversial), which happened back when the page was sorted alphabetically.
Although I guess we should probably write next to some tropes why they wound up on the list.
Edited by FridgeGuy2016 on Feb 11th 2020 at 8:52:53 AM
Limpin' with the bizkit.
No-lifer
Calling to make the following tropes NRELP:
- Balance Between Good and Evil (13:1 ratio): Added February 6, 2020 at 08:34:56 AM.
- Bitch in Sheep's Clothing (17:0 ratio): Added February 9, 2020 at 10:20:22 AM.
- Ending Fatigue (9:0 ratio): Added February 10, 2020 at 05:11:39 PM.
The former two tropes will be added to "Morality Tropes", while Ending Fatigue will be under "Narrative" tropes.
Limpin' with the bizkit.
No objections to calling them, these three were basically formalities.
Edited by RallyBot2 on Feb 12th 2020 at 7:28:43 AM
No-lifer
Looking at Character Alignment on the list, I feel like listing all its subtropes under it violates the rule saying not to group tropes under a super trope in How to Write an Example. For that reason, they should all have their own bullet points.
Limpin' with the bizkit.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
Indexes are usually grouped like that to keep it all together; they aren't trope examples, so it's not exactly the same. Though I wouldn't mind changing it anyway.
No-lifer
I did also think about removing Character Alignment, but found out it does have examples on its page. That said, I don't know if we should have subtropes listed under a supertrope like that. So unless it was a consensus decision (and they intend to keep it that way), we should make all those tropes their own bullet points.
![[down]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_down.png "[down]"){kind=icon}
True, but this is mostly about the indentation issue with its subtropes.
Edited by FridgeGuy2016 on Feb 13th 2020 at 7:24:00 AM
Limpin' with the bizkit.
Character Alignment requires the character to have a canonical alignment. RL people cannot have canonical alignments.
Edited by RallyBot2 on Feb 13th 2020 at 10:16:09 AM
he/him | Image Pickin' regular
They have to have canonical alignments everywhere except the alignment pages themselves. That said, listing real life character alignments anywhere is asking for trouble.
The previously deleted mental illnesses on Ultimate Evil were re-added by LavaringX; I deleted them again since mental illnesses don't have morality.
Keet cleanup
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
How does that work? Wouldn't The Great Character Alignment Debate not care where the examples are posted? Furthermore, the on page examples do reference canon alignment.
Lost in Space
The on-page examples are explicitly for illustration purposes only and are not meant to be comprehensive. Nobody should be adding new ones. Are there RL examples there? If so, that seems wrong.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
No-lifer
There are no real life examples. I'm only asking should the subtropesnote be spread out on single bullet points instead of 2nd bullet points listed under Character Alignment? I'm asking because of this rule from How to Write an Example:
- Do Not Group Tropes under a supertrope header. Among perennial problem children in this regard are tropes like Badass and Five-Man Band. List each individual trope example separately in its proper order. There's a section in Example Indentation in Trope Lists covering this case.
Lost in Space
I'm sorry... where do you see this, exactly? The grouping of subtropes, I mean. On a work article, you are correct that Character Alignment tropes should not be grouped in a sublist.
Edited by Fighteer on Feb 14th 2020 at 9:45:41 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
No-lifer
It's on No Real Life Examples, Please!, listed under "Morality Tropes".
Limpin' with the bizkit.
Lost in Space
Oh, that. Indexes don't fall under the scope of that rule you cited, so it's fine. Well, it may not be fine, per se, but it's not an explicit rule violation. It's more of a stylistic choice when building an index.
Edited by Fighteer on Feb 14th 2020 at 9:59:14 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
No-lifer
I understand.
Above Good and Evil has a real life section, but it's a morality trope, so it shouldn't have one, right?
I'll delete them and put a [[noreallife]] tag on the page.
Edited by FridgeGuy2016 on Feb 14th 2020 at 7:49:33 AM
Limpin' with the bizkit.
Industrious Incisors
All those real life examples violate Examples Are Not General anyway.
No-lifer
Getting back to Safe Word, I think we ahould remove it from NRLEP since it allows (non-sexual) real life examples. We should only add it back if those examples get bad.
Limpin' with the bizkit.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I'm fine with that. The non-sexual examples don't seem to be causing any problems.
No-lifer
Thanks, but should a little more consensus be needed?
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I think so.
Maybe the crowner could have an option for whether Safe Word keeps its NRLEP status, with a note discussing the rationale behind removing it and stating that sexual examples wouldn't be allowed even if it loses its NRLEP status.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Crown Description:
Vote up to either forbid all real life examples (No Real Life Examples Please) or forbid real life examples for specific subjects (Limited Real Life Examples Only); vote down to Keep Real Life Examples. To add a trope to a No Real Life Examples Please index or the Limited Real Life Examples Only index, its crowner option must meet the following criteria:- Stable 2:1 ratio needed for NRLEP or LRLEO
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple of extra days to see if more votes come in.
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]")
It's one of those tropes where even if it isn't NRLEP, Real Life examples are unwanted regardless. Sometimes an editor may add one or two, not knowing that we don't want them. We make a trope NRLEP as a reminder.
Limpin' with the bizkit.