Removing complaining, bashing and other negativity from the wiki

Totally. Dude nearly became the next Woomy Warrior.

At any rate the following paragraph should be axed for being off-topic:

"I hate the bland laziness of his reviews (if you can call a countdown list a review). I hate the way he delivers his opinions in the most whiney and pretentious manner. I hate the childlike simplicity of his takes and how he clearly only does the bare minimum research most of the time. And I loathe how his "it's just my opinion" statement comes off as half-hearted and is obviously a weak attempt to deflect all criticism of his takes."

MUCH better. Hold on...

"I hate the bland laziness of his reviews (if you can call a countdown list a review), as well as the overemotional and pretentious way he delivers his opinions. I also despise the childlike simplicity of his takes and how he clearly only does the bare minimum research most of the time. And I loathe how his "it's just my opinion" statement comes off as half-hearted and is obviously a weak attempt to deflect all criticism of his takes."

Edited by skan123 on May 24th 2022 at 1:47:39 AM

Let me just...

Magnus Force: I loathe 99% of animation reviewers on the Internet, and Phantom Strider is in my top 5 most despised. I hate the bland laziness of his reviews (if you can call a countdown list a review). I hate the way he delivers his opinions in the most whiney and pretentious manner. I hate the childlike simplicity of his takes and how he clearly only does the bare minimum research most of the time. And I loathe how his "it's just my opinion" statement comes off as half-hearted and is obviously a weak attempt to deflect all criticism of his takes. However, there will always be one moment from him that especially peeves me off, which is when he declared all Canadian animation to be horrible. No, just no. I am absolutely sick and tired of the "Canadian animation bad" mindset. It's based on little more than the nostalgic bitterness of angry manchildren like him who decided they were sick of Johnny Test or Almost Naked Animals or whatever on the network that defined their "precious childhood" and so decided to blame Canada for everything they hate in cartoons and pick apart every little thing about them to make them seem like the worst things ever (although admittedly I despise those shows myself for different reasons). Are you really seriously saying that everything ever done by Nelvana, Mercury Filmworks, and the National Film Board of Canada is bad solely they are from the same country that only partially created Johnny Test?! Are you choosing to ignore countless wonderful Animated Adaptations of kids' books done in Canada solely because of Almost Naked Animals was produced in that exact same country?! Are you seriously declaring about 200 shows made over more than 50 years of history for channels ranging from CBC to YTV (and also many American channels) all shit solely because you hate Mega Babies?! Stop fucking doing this! Is the fact that one of the most successful and popular children's cartoons on right now is Canadian a moot point because of the existence of Johnny Test?! Is the fact that Canada created the first ever All-CGI Cartoon TV series meaningless because Canada also created Mega Babies? Is the fact that shows ranging from The Raccoons to Detentionaire have all received great critical acclaim and developed hugely loyal fanbases worth ignoring solely because people hated Almost Naked Animals? Stop basing your knowledge of Canadian animation entirely on your hatred of Johnny Test and do some actual fucking research for once in your life. I honestly don't understand how or why he and the countless other worthless shits like him, have earned so many subs and are treated as the leading experts on animation when the likes of The Wacky Delhi and Benzie Johnson, reviewers who are actually capable of giving interesting, nuanced, well-researched, and humble reviews created with actual effort exist, or when cartoon podcasts like Toon Talk Weekly and Cartoon Kids provide far more entertaining and insightful discussions of cartoons.

Is there anything else that should be bolded to indicate what to cut?

Uhhh... Nothing much, I guess. We can't interfere in his opinion, but we can try and make it better.

Edited by skan123 on May 24th 2022 at 1:57:28 AM

A more refactored version, with also axing the other sentences Generic also suggested to axe. Also removed unnecessary profanity.

• Magnus Force: I loathe 99% of animation reviewers on the Internet, and Phantom Strider is in my top 5 most despised. However, there will always be one moment from him that especially peeves me off, which is when he declared all Canadian animation to be horrible. No, just no. I am absolutely sick and tired of the "Canadian animation bad" mindset. Are you really seriously saying that everything ever done by Nelvana, Mercury Filmworks, and the National Film Board of Canada is bad solely they are from the same country that only partially created Johnny Test?! Are you choosing to ignore countless wonderful Animated Adaptations of kids' books done in Canada solely because of Almost Naked Animals was produced in that exact same country?! Are you seriously declaring about 200 shows made over more than 50 years of history for channels ranging from CBC to YTV (and also many American channels) all shit solely because you hate Mega Babies?! Stop doing this! Is the fact that one of the most successful and popular children's cartoons on right now is Canadian a moot point because of the existence of Johnny Test?! Is the fact that Canada created the first ever All-CGI Cartoon TV series meaningless because Canada also created Mega Babies? Is the fact that shows ranging from The Raccoons to Detentionaire have all received great critical acclaim and developed hugely loyal fanbases worth ignoring solely because people hated Almost Naked Animals? Stop basing your knowledge of Canadian animation entirely on your hatred of Johnny Test and do some actual research for once in your life.

Edited by Albert3105 on May 24th 2022 at 4:51:36 AM

Why not? As long as there's no personal attacks, no complaining and no bashing, it's good to go. I would replace the last sentence with: "You really should do some more research so you can see that just because Johnny Test exists doesn't mean all Canadian animation is bad. And it especially doesn't mean you are an expert at this domain. "

Edited by skan123 on May 24th 2022 at 1:54:23 AM

For the record I'm pretty sure that starting off a DMOS with a note that you dislike the creator in general before leading into a specific moment that solidifies this fact is not disallowed. I think we are enforcing a rule that does not yet exist.

Which is why I preferred leaving the first sentence alone while axing the next few sentences after it for being off-topic.

To be fair, if it did just say they disliked him I wouldn't have bolded it, but I was more torn on it saying they loathed and despised him. But if that's still allowed then alright.

I guess it's alright.

Edited by GenericGuy2000 on May 24th 2022 at 5:26:01 AM

So is my edit okay to replace the entry with? I tried to limit my changes to off-topic and insult removals.

Edited by Albert3105 on May 24th 2022 at 5:12:05 AM

I swear I read somewhere that you're not allowed to put reviewers' opinions you disagree with on Dethroning Moment just because you disagree with them.

Here’s what the page says:

• Please no He Panned It, Now He Sucks!. Someone having a different opinion than you is not nearly a good enough justification for something being seen as stupid or offensive.

I read it as Magnus criticizing the use of a flawed argument (Canadian animation sucks because some Canadian shows sucked), not about the reviewer's per se hate of Johnny Test etc.

Edited by Albert3105 on May 24th 2022 at 6:24:33 AM

Tbh I feel like that could be trimmed more because the dude goes over the same thing like three times.

He also made this edit, and later expanded it, in Made in Country X. Here's what the entry currently looks like:

• Canadian cartoons suffer from this sort of reputation in the online "cartoon community"^note A very loosely-defined group of animation enthusiasts who tend to be united by their polarizing opinions regarding recent animated works, as well as their fans/followers, especially if they were originally commissioned for Teletoon or YTV and weren't from Nelvana (never mind that Nelvana has made multiple series for both channels). While a good number of shows do manage to gain fandoms and/or acclaim, Canadian animation (especially modern series) is still synonymous with "terrible, low-effort, mass-produced cartoons full of Toilet Humor and cheap animation" to many and deemed an Acceptable Target for it, most notably with many reviewers like The Mysterious Mr. Enter, PhantomStrider, MarsReviews, and Man of 1000 Thoughts. Interestingly, this sentiment began approximately around the late 2000s to early 2010s when the infamous Johnny Test was being severely overplayed on Cartoon Network, leading some to believe the American-Canadian series may have been a major catalyst for this stigma. Interestingly, Canadian preschool cartoons have generally managed to escape the ire of the "all Canadian cartoons are bad" crowd (with the notable exceptions of Caillou and Thomas & Friends: All Engines Go, despite the latter being an American-Canadian co-production), but this is due to the fact the these kinds of shows are ignored by them more than anything else. Averted in the case of the National Film Board of Canada, which has long had a solid reputation and continues to do so today, although it tends to be overlooked by animation fans due to being more "artsy" than the series they're generally interested in.

The reviewer-bashing in particular seems like it shouldn't be there.

I suppose this counts as a Single-Issue Wonk, right?

This wonk feels familiar. Was there another instance of someone angry about how they feel Canadian animation is viewed in this thread within the last few months? Was it the same person?

Edited by Zarina on May 25th 2022 at 8:15:24 AM

Yes. They're now being invited to a chat with the moderation team, so to speak.

The example is legit as long as those reviewers actually said that Canadian animation sucks.

Honestly, cut or rephrase the part chastising the "cartoon community" and maybe cut some of those reviewers' names and it doesn't really seem that complainy. I do think it should mention that whole law about the minimum amount of Canadian programming airing on Canadian television though, as that comes up a lot when discussing "cheap" Canadian cartoons (I don't know enough about it to add myself cuz I'm American and mostly heard it through the grapevine).

I was going to go cut down the example, but found this large badly-indented thing on it.

• On a more general level, Canadian film and television is stereotyped as being entirely mediocre, due to how the United States' prolific and influential output vastly overshadows its northern neighbor's relatively small entertainment industry, the fact Canadian movies and TV shows are generally made on lower budgets than American ones, and how even in Canada, Canadian Media tends to receive little attention compared to the glut of American media Canadians are more aware of and consume more regularly (to the point where laws were introduced in the 1970s specifically to try and encourage the growth of Canadian entertainment, which has unfortunately led to the misconception that Canadian TV is mass-produced for the sole purpose of fulfilling these laws). A lot of this is related to the infamous inferiority complex of Canadian culture, and it's not uncommon to hear people say that not even Canadians like their own movies and TV shows (although a decent number of Canadian Series have become quite well-liked by many Canadians, and even a few Americans, as was the case with Murdoch Mysteries and Schitt's Creek). Once again, the NFB remains an aversion, as its long history of critical acclaim is very well-known (although most of its work remains obscure even to Canadians).

Wouldn't mind cutting this whole thing and starting from scratch, tbh.

Huh. Honestly, I think that indent is the better example of the two and can be trimmed down to serve as the sole example:

• Canadian film and television is stereotyped as being entirely mediocre, due to how the United States' prolific and influential output vastly overshadows its northern neighbor's relatively small entertainment industry, the fact Canadian movies and TV shows are generally made on lower budgets than American ones, and how even in Canada, Canadian Media tends to receive little attention compared to the glut of American imports: to the point where laws were introduced in the 1970s specifically to try and encourage the growth of Canadian entertainment, which has unfortunately led to the misconception that Canadian TV is mass-produced for the sole purpose of fulfilling these laws. A lot of this is related to the infamous inferiority complex of Canadian culture, and it's not uncommon to hear people say that not even Canadians like their own movies and TV shows.

Edited by RacattackForce on May 25th 2022 at 7:15:45 AM

That's much better!

The Simpsons S17 E8: "The Italian Bob" has this entry:

• Take That!: According to an Italian police book, Peter Griffin is wanted for plagiarism and Stan Smith for plagiarism of plagiarism.^note On the DVD Commentary of "Movin' Out (Brian's Song)," Seth MacFarlane claimed that the notorious gag of Quagmire raping Marge and then killing her family was his "little shot back" for this joke. Make of what what you will.