Wild Mass Guessing for Batman Beyond.
- He also played by the JL's rules, tried for teamwork, and won their trust in decent time. Bruce was generally a bit more reticent. Of course, Terry's backing down in the end does show that he has some of Batman's loner nature, but it's not defining him like it did with Bruce.
- If it is because of Nightwing, it has nothing to do with Terry. The suit Terry steals at the beginning of the series is the one Bruce was wearing when he retired. It must have resizing technology to fit snugly on Terry's slighter frame.
- Barbara's line seems to suggest that he's still operating though. Otherwise she would have told Terry to "Look up a guy called Dick Grayson."
- No, she didn't want to assume that Terry knew Nightwing = Dick Grayson. It's bad form to just give out a secret identity, and he didn't know that she was Batgirl until she walked into the Batcave.
- Except their initial conversation where Barbara told Terry about why she quit being Batgirl started with "So you and Dick Grayson..."
- That still doesn't make any sense, why would she tell him to look up someone who's not operating under that name anymore? Dick's as good at covering his tracks as Bruce and if he doesn't want to be found he won't. And she told him about Tim pretty easily.
- Go back and watch Return of the Joker again and pay particular attention to just before the flashback starts. Barbara straight up tells Terry that Nightwing is Dick Grayson when she mentions he'd left for another city.
- Come now, everyone knows that the Joker is the only one allowed to harm a Bat and let is stick. Not even Darkseid can break that rule. It had to have been the Joker.
- Besides, Dick wouldn't have come up. Barbara was uncomfortable talking about his near death. They had been close. But the severity of the injuries combined with it not being the impetus for Joker hatred meant it was relatively unimportant. The Joker shot up Dick. These things happen. Birds fly, fish swim, The Joker shoots machine guns at people. But he crossed the damn line with Tim. Anyone who's ever been psychologically tortured will tell you it's WAY better to catch a bullet then to get brainwashed and abused. Plus, Dick was basically an adult. Tim Drake was a kid. Batman has a thing about victimized kids.
- Somewhat confirmed in the comics, except with a very severe plot-hole attached to it: the Joker shot at Nightwing and Batman, and as it had been years since Dick had worked with Bruce, he forgot to never stand behind Bruce in a fight. His field of vision restricted, Dick gets pelted with bullets, with one dangerously close to his spine that couldn't be removed. Plot hole as it was described as a time when Bruce hadn't worked with a partner in a long time, which implies post-Return of the Joker, which is impossible considering the Joker's fate in the movie. While Higgins' run on the book has rectified the plot hole (changing Dick's reasons for quitting to breaking ties with Bruce for a different, if not more shocking, reason), there's no mention of Dick's back injury sticking. However, he is happy to run Mission Control while Terry does all of the grunt work.
- Semi-confirmed/semi-jossed in the comics
Obviously, the Aquaman seen in "The Call" was the new Aquaman, aka the old one's son, Arthur Jr, aka the guy whose dad cut his own hand off when the evil uncle nearly had him killed. Retcons apply to animated adaptations of comic books, too.
- Jossed. Paul Dini specifically stated she was the daughter of Aquaman and Mera. Unless you're implying something Oedipal occurred, I think you're gonna have to chalk this one up to Atlantean lifespans.
- When was this Jossed? If it was sometime during the Justice League run I'd understand. But if it was mentioned during the actual air time of BB I'd chalk that up to not having that stuff fully planned ahead.
- Jossed in the Justice League Beyond comics
- They pulled something similar when they redesigned Commissioner Gordon in the earlier series. Bruce does have obvious heart problems that could contribute to that.
- Also, doesn't Bruce sport "liver spots" on his hands?
- It's possible that he has chronic viral hepatitis (likely Hep B or C). Given how frequently he got bloodied up in fights with criminals back in his days in the cowl, it wouldn't be that unlikely for him to have contracted such an infection during one of these events. Alternatively, he may have been infected after receiving a blood transfusion (not an uncommon occurrence back in the 80s before blood banks started screening for diseases).
It's bound to happen sooner or later. He will be inspired by his older brother, Terry, to the point that he might end up wanting to be a superhero himself and assist him.
- Executive Meddling actually tried this at one point (except making Matt Kid Batman instead of Robin). Thankfully, it didn't work out.
- Kid Batman would have sucked, but Matt as Robin could have been awesome.
- This troper accepts this as his personal canon. And it happened some time between the series and "Epilogue". He could very well take on the name "Red Robin".
- Word Of God says Matt is also genetically Bruce's son.
- Possibly confirmed in the comics.
She already helps out sometimes with the research part, which makes her fit the Oracle role. On the other hand, if she ever gets a strength-enhancing suit like Terry she could conceivably become Robin.
- Or Batgirl.
- I was praying for this when I first watched Batman Beyond. Although, for some reason it seems like she would be sexier in the Robin style costume...
- No I do not want to analyze what that says about me.
- I always had Max pegged as Batwoman (she explicitly says she doesn't want to be Robin), Melanie as Batgirl (in keeping with the DCAU tradition of romantic attraction between Batman and Batgirl), and Matt as Robin.
- At the end of "The Call Part 2", Clark invites Terry to join the Justice League full-time, and mentions that Bruce had technically only been a part-timer. Terry replies "I guess we have something in common then," as he walks away. Superman quietly remarks "More than you know, son. More than you know."
Now obviously, he could have just meant that Terry had something in common with Bruce in terms of personality, but it's certainly possible that Superman was aware of Terry's true parentage. This is a guy who can see DNA after all.
Consider the fact that in the JLU episode "Epilogue", Bruce had apparently known the truth about Project Batman Beyond for quite some time by that point. It's possible that Superman also found out about Project Batman Beyond at some point but kept quiet about it out of respect for both Terry and Bruce.
- ...isn't that just canon? or at least heavily implied canon?
- Here's a good one: Curare is Blade from Terry's high school. They have the same voice actress (Melissa Disney), and the girl's name is Blade, which is Curare's trademark weapon. Therefore, Curare is Blade wearing blue skin-paint and apparently an ugly facial mask under her veil.
- She's actually a(n ex-)member of the Society of Assassins, not Ra's' organization.
- He could maybe be his son, following in his footsteps.
- He may have some relations to Penguin. Since his voice actor mimics Christopher Walken's voice. An early script revealed that Max Shreck was Penguin's older brother.
- He could be related to Roland Daggett (who was originally gonna be Max Shreck).
- Ghoul and Terminal were both voiced by Michael Rosenbaum (not that that means much in the DCAU), they both had vaguely skeletal Joker paint, both spoke in monotones. Maybe Carter decided to make himself scarier after juvie and adopted the appearance of Scarecrow, who would have been well known to Jokerz members as one of their idol's contemporaries. In one of the tie-in comics it mentions that for a time he was imitating Two Face, so maybe he went through villain "phases".
- Yet for all the Scarecrow imagery, Ghoul is actually a substantially LESS frightening persona than Terminal...If anything, Ghoul seems kinda goofy. He's marginally creepier in the comics, which do show him to be quite intelligent, but Terminal overall is quite a bit more intimidating.
- Jossed. Word Of God says Nana Harley is indeed Harley Quinn.
- He and John retained their memories of the time travel incident afterward, though Diana did not (presumably because she died). If John could remember his son from the future (he mentions Warhawk to Hawkgirl in a later JLU episode) then surely Bruce should also.
- At least part of the technology for the new suit is from the suits of the Batwomen in Batman: Mystery of the Batwoman so it is possible that Bruce took some inspiration from the design as well.
- Actually their symbols are slightly different.
- Fast-forward to the interlude shown in "Rebirth" and we see elderly Bruce Wayne surviving a severe beating with a wrench that would have killed him if he'd been wearing his original suit. (He was bleeding a bit from the mouth, sure, but only from being knocked around.)
- Terry McGuinness, 20 years later, manages to take and shake off some hits as well, including (on one or two occasions) plasma bolts from those energy weapons everybody is using. (Even petty thugs trained at the Imperial Stormtrooper Marksmanship Academy don't miss all the time in the Gotham of the future.)
- It's size-adjustable, fitting both Bruce and Terry perfectly though they have considerably different builds, and it has rounded fingertips that can automatically morph into claws that can tear through metal walls.
- The fail-safe button Bruce installed also was able to paralyze Terry completely; if the suit were pliable, he should still have been able to move around without the strength enhancement.
- That suit's not just a strength-enhancer and hi-tech integrated wearable computer; it's armor. When Terry puts on or takes off the mask, you can see that it's as soft and pliable as silk, but when he's got it on, you can also see that it's as hard and rigid as steel.
- This would be very ironic, given that Lock-Up was a quasi-fascist vigilante, and Mad Stan is an anarchist militant. It would be interesting to see them clash ideologically.
- If she was, she'd have shown up in Epilogue. Safe to say that Bruce is the only one that ever does mission control in the Batcave,
They are visually similar. Both have black hair, spooky eyes, psychic powers of illusion, and are both pretty powerful. Ace is obviously more powerful, but she went through the Training from Hell with Cadmus, who experimented on her to enhance her power.
Tamara couldn't be a direct descendant since Ace died young, but (depending on whether Ace's parents ever recovered from their catatonia and had more children) she could be a niece or a cousin.
- With Amanda Waller's willingness to create another Batman due to the old one's compassion the likelihood that she would want to create a copy of Ace unharmed by Cadmus's attempts to weaponize her to symbolically give Ace a better life is 100%! Needless to say Tamara's being put under witness protection helps with that plan despite being temporarily derailed by the Brain Trust (which is the reason Tamara was put into witness protection in the first place).
This may also be part of the reason Bruce was so leery to let Terry on as Batman.
Either him or his son, Bat-mite Beyond.
- I always pictured the villain to be Hardac, but this theory is fun, too.
- The fact that she was an M.D. before she snapped comes to mind.
- Wrong: He's part-alien. There are two others like him in Superman episode "The Main Man".
- Likely the radioactive containers seen in his episode, caused the giant rats and also his mutation into a rat due to contact with them. (Possibly a twisted shout out to the TMNT cartoon.)
- The Rookers, who pattern themselves on birds and control the black market, like Penguin.
- Double-Dealers, who pattern themselves on Two-Face.
- Old Timers, patterning themselves on classic gangsters like Rupert Thorne and Stromwell.
- Film Freaks, who ape Clayface, possibly by using an improved face-changing mutagen.
- The Ghosts, who, embittered that Karl Rossum's vision of the future never came to pass, use tech that never took off.
- Honestly, I could see The Ghosts fitting better as a gang in Neo-Central City/whatever Central City gets called in Batman Beyond's timeline set in the future, making them futuristic Flash villains for a possible Flash Beyond/Flash of the Future.
- The Ghoulz, who modeled themselves after Solomon Grundy.
- The Assassinz, who modeled themselves after Ra's Al Ghul.
- The Plantz, who modeled themselves after Poison Ivy.
- The Jesterz, who modeled themselves after Harley Quinn.
- The Fearmongerz, who modeled themselves after Scarcrow.
- The Puzzlers, who modeled themselves after Riddler.
- The Wonderlanderz, who modeled themselves after Mad Hatter.
- The Killerz, who modeled themselves after Victor Zsasz.
- The Maskerz, who modeled themselves after Black Mask.
- The Surgery Soldierz, who modeled themselves after Professor Pyg.
- The Icerz, who modeled themselves after Mr. Freeze.
- The Crosserz, who modeled themselves after the cult leader Deacon Blackfire.
- The Puppetmasterz, who modeled themselves after Scarface and the Ventriloquist.
- The Neo-Greekz, who modeled themselves after Maxie Zeus.
- The Cluegiverz, who modeled themselves after the Cluemaster.
- The Timerz, who modeled themselves after Clock King.
- The Crocodilez, who modeled themselves after Killer Croc.
- The Psychoz, who modeled themselves after Dr. Hugo Strange.
- The Catz, who modeled themselves after Catwoman.
- The Catcherz, who modeled themselves after Ratcatcher.
- The Wilderz, who modeled themselves after the Terrible Trio.
- There's a bit of a resemblance between the two Jack's, and in Dead Man's Hand the way King talks about the Royal Flush Gang doesn't seem to imply that they ripped off someone else's gig. The meta human Jack (or perhaps King or Queen, Ten is likely eliminated due to the apparent lack of African-American ancestry among the Walker's) could have started the gang, while having kids who didn't inherit any powers.
- It never is revealed exactly how R'as took Talia's body and his behavior implies that he could lose it.
- That would be one explanation for the poor continuity at times.
- He did seem to be in charge of the local military and prone to poor decisions.
Someone would need to know Batman's somewhat...more private lines, though hard to say who. Barbara probably didn't, and Superman would still be Starro controlled. Perhaps the Martian Manhunter