Discussion Franchise / KingdomHearts

Hi! I just made a page for the obscure comicbook "The Sceptre and the Kingdom", it's a work in progress but any contributions are welcome!

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ComicBook/TheSceptreAndTheKingdom

Are Sora and Kairi officially a couple?

I must ask, why is this so popular?

I'm not gonna say that its "raping" Disney or anything, but its not much more than a JRPG series with ridiculous character designs.

There are a few things that i find strange in the list of games. The user below me has already spoke about the fact that KHX, DR and missing link are part of a different saga called X saga, but aside from that why is Re Mind considered a different game and part of the lost masters saga? It's a DLC, so it's still KH 3... Also, i think Back Cover should be losted, i guess you think it as an adaptation of KHX, but it has a different plot, it shaere a single scene with KHX, so i think it's should be considered a completly different entry of the KH saga.

So Nomura had a Famitsu interview where this came up:

"— Kingdom Hearts 4 lies in the Lost Master Arc, but to what saga does Kingdom Hearts Missing-Link belong to?

Nomura: The Kingdom Hearts series does not solely include the Dark Seeker Arc up to Kingdom Hearts 3, and the Lost Master Arc from Kingdom Hearts 4. There is also the X series that includes Kingdom Hearts X, Union X, and Dark Road. Kingdom Hearts Missing-Link is a work that fills in the blank period and bridges them together."

Should the page be edited to reflect those games are seemingly not a part of either arc or is it okay with how they're currently positioned?

I disagree with the details regarding KH4 posted on the page currently. "Set in the mysterious new world of Quadratum, following a familiar yet new protagonist as he faces an onslaught of darkness in his metropolitan world"? I think that protagonist IS Sora - he's mentioned to only just arrived a week ago in the 'afterworld', plus he has Sora's Kingdom Keyblade and necklace. Although I see they're returning to a KH2-style HUD for the fourth numbered game, but instead of it having a Drive gauge, it has an EX gauge instead.

Aborted Arc: So on the aborted arc. Y'all mention that they more or less dropped the non-intervention in the affairs of otherworlds priority, like from doctor who, but they heavily brought it back in the new game and bring up preserving "order" in every world, and dont explain heartless or anything. I'm not really the type to edit wikia's so if someone that is would be willing to edit the trope I would appreciate it.

Why do so many Sony/KH fanboys have such a problem with Xbox getting the series? I've noted on the YMMV pages for the franchise & III that so many of them throw fits when you even mention the series being on Xbox. Then you have some of them saying they'd rather it be on the Switch. Like, what? You're cool with it being on one system, but not the other? Console wars hypocrisy at it's finest. But, yeah, I'm trying to see why it would piss these people off so much, seeing how it's entirely hypocritical to not at least not care that the game's on Xbox because of the series not being a Play Station exclusive & being published on so many different handhelds over the years. If the series were exclusive at one point, then I'd understand, but it's not, yet so many think it is. They also seem to think that Sony produced the series, even though they didn't. Why? It baffles my mind.

The list of Disney and Square-Enix material that appears in the series is a bit hard on the eyes... might we replace the list of abbreviations with something genuinely informative? I figure a large change like that should be discussed first rather than just done, but I was thinking it would go more or less like this:

Disney:

• Aladdin — Agrabah appears as a world in KH, COM, KH2, coded, Days, and KHX.
  • Aladdin The Return Of Jafar — The Agrabah plot in KH2 is based on this sequel.
• Alice In Wonderland — Wonderland appears as a world in KH, COM, coded, Days, and KHX.
• The Aristocats — A costume of Marie appears in KHX.
• Bambi — Bambi appears as a summon in KH and COM. Costumes and medals appear in KHX.
• Beauty And The Beast — The Beast and Belle appear in KH and COM. Their world, Beast's Castle, appears in KH2, Days, and KHX.
• Big Hero 6 — A world based on this film will appear in KH3.
• Chicken Little — Chicken Little appears as a summon in KH2.
• Cinderella — Cinderella and the Fairy Godmother appear in KH. Their world, Castle of Dreams, appears in BBS, KHX, and 0.2.
• Classic Disney Shorts — Many characters from the classic shorts appear throughout the series, most notably Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, and Goofy, who appear prominently in every game, and Pete, who debuts as an antagonist in KH2 and has appeared in every game since. Their home world, Disney Castle/Disney Town, appears in KH2 and BBS, and in non-interactive form in KH, Re:coded, and KH3D. Timeless River, a world based on the very oldest black-and-white shorts, appears in KH2.
• Disney Fairies — A costume of Terence appears in KHX.
• Disney Theme Parks — Game mechanics based on the theme parks will appear in KH3.
• Duck Tales — This series' incarnation of Scrooge McDuck appears in KH2 and BBS. A medal of Scrooge appears in KHX.
• Dumbo — Dumbo appears as a summon in KH and COM. A medal of Dumbo and costume of Timothy appear in KHX.
• Fantasia — KH featured several Fantasia elements, such as the enchanted brooms from The Sorcerer's Apprentice and Chernabog from Night on Bald Mountain. Yen Sid the sorcerer debuted in KH2 and has since ascended to the role of Big Good, appearing in BBS, Re:coded, KH3D, and 0.2. A world based on all of the fim's segments, Symphony of Sorcery, appears in KH3D. Medals appear in KHX.
• Hercules — Olympus Coliseum, a world based on this film, appears in every game except for KH3D (and only mentioned in 0.2) and will return in KH3.
• The Hunchback Of Notre Dame — La Cite des Cloches, a world based on this film, appears in KH3D.
• The Jungle Book — Medals of Mowgli, Baloo, and Louie appear in KHX.
• Lady And The Tramp — A fountain depicting the film's two title characters is in Traverse Town and can be seen in KH, Re:COM, and KH3D.
• Lilo And Stitch — Stitch appears as a summon in KH2. His world, Deep Space, appears in BBS. Medals appear in KHX.
• The Lion King — Simba appears as a summon in KH and COM. His world, Pride Lands, appears in KH2. A medal appears in KHX.
• The Little Mermaid — Atlantica appears as a world in KH, COM, and KH2. Ursula appears in KH3D. Costumes and medals appear in KHX.
• Mickey, Donald, Goofy: The Three Musketeers — Country of the Musketeers, a world based on this film, appears in KH3D. Medals appear in KHX.
• Moana — Moana and Maui appear on medals in KHX.
• Mulan — Mushu appears as a summon in KH and COM. His world, The Land of Dragons, appears in KH2. Medals appear in KHX.
• The Nightmare Before Christmas — Halloween Town appears as a world in KH, COM, KH2, and Days. Medals appear in KHX.
• One Hundred And One Dalmatians — Pongo, Perdita, and the 99 puppies appear as a game-spanning challenge in KH. Medals and a costume of Cruella appear in KHX.
• Peter Pan — Never Land appears as a world in KH, COM, Days, and BBS. Peter and Tinker Bell also appear as a summon in KH2. Costumes and medals appear in KHX.
• Pinocchio — The inside of Monstro appears as this film's "world" in KH and COM. The film's actual world, Prankster's Paradise, appears in KH3D. Jiminy Cricket makes further appearances in KH2 and coded. Monstro is a Bonus Boss in BBS:FM, and medals appear in KHX.
• Pirates of the Caribbean — Port Royal appears as a world in KH2.
• Runaway Brain — Julius appears as a Bonus Boss in KH3D.
• Sleeping Beauty — Maleficent is a recurring antagonist, appearing in every game except for Days and 0.2. Aurora also appears in KH, and Flora, Fauna, and Merryweather debut in KH2. Their world, Enchanted Dominion, appears in BBS, KHX, and 0.2.
• Snow White And The Seven Dwarfs — Snow White appears in KH. Her world, Dwarf Woodlands, appears in BBS, KHX, and 0.2.
• The Sword In The Stone — Merlin appears in KH, KH2, and BBS, and is mentioned in KH3D and 0.2. A medal appears in KHX.
• Tarzan — Deep Jungle, a world based on this film, appears in KH. Tarzan material has been Exiled from Continuity ever since.
• Tangled — A world based on this film will appear in KH3.
• TRON — Space Paranoids, a world based on this film, appears in KH2. Medals of Tron appear in KHX.
  • TRON: Legacy — The Grid appears as a world in KH3D. A medal of Sam appears in KHX.
• Winnie the Pooh — The Hundred-Acre Wood appears as a world in KH, COM, KH2, and BBS. Costumes and medals appear in KHX.
  • Pooh's Grand Adventure: The Search for Christopher Robin — A Hundred-Acre Wood area in KH2 is inspired by Skull, a location from this film.
• Zootopia — Costumes and medals depicting Judy and Nick appear in KHX.

Square-Enix

• Bravely Default — Costumes appear in KHX.
• Final Fantasy in general — Moogles appear in every game in the series.
• Final Fantasy VI — Setzer appears in KH2 and on a medal in KHX.
• Final Fantasy VII — Aerith, Yuffie, and Cid appear in Traverse Town, and Cloud in Olympus Coliseum, in KH, COM, and coded, and all of them in Hollow Bastion in KH2, which also introduces Tifa. Sephiroth is a Bonus Boss in KH and KH2. Zack appears in Olympus Coliseum in BBS. Cloud makes another Olympus appearance in KHX, along with the entire cast as medals and some as costumes.
  • Crisis Core — Zack's appearance in BBS and KHX is inspired by his appearance in this game.
• Final Fantasy VIII — Selphie appears on Destiny Islands, and Squall in Traverse Town then Hollow Bastion, in KH, COM, KH2, and coded. They appear as medals in KHX.
• Final Fantasy IX — Vivi appears in KH2 and on a medal in KHX.
• Final Fantasy X — Tidus and Wakka appear on Destiny Islands in KH, COM, and coded, and are mentioned in KH2. Auron appears in Olympus Coliseum, and Yuna and Rikku in Hollow Bastion, in KH2. They appear as medals in KHX.
  • Final Fantasy X-2 — Yuna and Rikku are in their Gullwings attire and accompanied by Paine in KH2 and KHX.
• The World Ends with You — The main cast appear in Traverse Town in KH3D. Costumes and medals appear in KHX.
• World of Final Fantasy — A medal of Tama appears in KHX.

There are three items on the original abbreviated list that are marked as "referenced" that I don't actually know what they're referring to, if someone could fill in those blanks:

• Alice In Wonderland in KH3D
• TRON 2.0 in KH2
• The Bouncer in KH2

So what's this purported Bravely Default reference in KHX?

So, which page is stuff for 0.2 Birth by Sleep going to go on?

Uh... is anyone going to add a Drinking Game for the series anytime?

So with KH 1.5 and 2.5 coming/being out will Dream Drop Distance be the only game unavailable to Playstation (non-handheld) gamers in some form or another?

Why is there so much gushing in the description? Shouldn't that belong in a review?

Anyone think Sora is The Doctor?

Okay, the mention of Aqua in the Big Bad entry makes sense to a point, but can we really call her a true Big Bad for trying to save her friend? If I recall correctly, a Big Bad is very clearly and always evil. Aqua definitely does not fit that bill. Sure, in hindsight, she made a mistake—but in the first game, Riku caused his entire world to be consumed by darkness because he purposely allowed it to have a hold on him. The gears he started turning nearly ended up in the destruction of all the worlds in the game, but nobody blames him! It sounds to me like it's just an addition from a fan who doesn't like the character. And the "Not true, actually" at the beginning sounds to me like discussion on the main page. I don't want to just erase it, so does anybody else agree?

Should we move this page to Franchise.Kingdom Hearts?

Kudzu Plot- Who removed it from the main page and why?

It's not a YMMV trope, it's not a trope marked for cleanup, and it applies IN SPADES to the KH series.

I suppose someone may have removed it to make the series look better (as they did when it was removed from the main description), but if this is the case they are only making things worse; tropes are not bad and tvt is an objective wiki.

Unless I get an answer I'm putting it back on the page

So I noticed a while back that the Mooks are all named after a certain theme or concept from the game they're introduced. The Heartless are introduced in the first game, which also introduced (among other things) the concept of the heart. The game that actually introduced the Nobodies, Chain of Memories, introduced the concepts pertaining to memories (which are without the body). The Unversed are first given light in the prequel, which was the "unversed" story for half of the Xehanort Saga.

What I'm asking is, pretty much: Would this info go under Theme Naming or something else?

I don't have anything against him, but does anyone think that as the games go on, Axel/Lea is starting to border on Creator's Pet?

The running gag of Ven's drowned goldfish is pointed out/cameoed/referenced to in the Hannah Montana page as Scaley Joel Osment. It's also a form of Actor Allusion. Does it belong to the main page or not?

What happened to the accidental nightmare fuel pages? There's certainly enough scary stuff in the games to warrant it.

Okay, so Nobodies are the bodies of people who lose their hearts, right? So if Kairi's heart was hanging out in Sora for the first game, then is that comatose ragdoll Sora's trying to save. . . Namine?

Examples need details. Which characters, and what was the circumstance? Please see How To Write An Example before returning to Main.

• Soap Opera Rapid Aging Syndrome: Just some tinkering with the Final Fantasy characters.

Regarding Kingdom Hearts 3D and the (surprising!) appearance of Neku of TWEWY... how should we handle it? Should we rename the "Final Fantasy" characters for "Square-Enix" characters?

Wait, Lingering Sentiment was renamed? Since when?

Removed:

For your information, the number of pouches, belts and zippers in this series is over 9000. And yes, it's Tetsuya Nomura's doing.

The caption was restored (a month later after the edit removing it) because it was hilarious and no reason was given for the edit. Quoting the edit that removed the caption:

the quote really has no relevance to the story/plot anyway; maybe it would be better for the Tetsuya Nomura page

For further elaboration, this caption, while somewhat funny, has no relevance to the story/plot. No one would understand any relavent information about Kingdom Hearts based on the information in the caption. If you take a look at the work page for the original KH game, the caption talks about info relavent to the game while being somewhat funny about it. However, zippers have NO relavence to plot/themes/characters/setting, only character design. As stated before, some variation for this caption would make more sense for the Tetsuya Nomura page, because he notably uses zippers in many of his character models, and it is something he is well known for.

I am not against a caption, but that particular caption has very little relavence to the series, and as such should not be the first thing someone sees when viewing the page.

Regarding the Final Mixes of the games,

I remember reading on the Updated Rerelease section that Sony of America required a certain amount of new content for a rerelease to appear in the states. Even with that in mind, would offering the Final Mix content as DLC be feasible with current and future installments of the series, like an expansion pack? There's no packaging, nor the sentiment that players have been gimped and have to buy the game again. Since a DLC expansion would cost less to bring to market than a new game entirely (and correct me if I am wrong) , releasing the Final Mixes in this form should net enough revenue to be a profitable move. It's not like international fans of the series are uninterested in the bonus content, especially since a good amount of it is plot relevant - there's definitely a sizable market.

Note: that I am talking about feasibility, not probability - how easy and/or profitable it is for Square-Enix to bring the Final Mixes overseas and how much they want to do so are two separate issues entirely. I'm just curious how much hoop-jumping they would actually need to do to bring the Final Mixes here in any form. And I apologize if I'm bringing up a topic that's been discussed to death - I'm relatively new to the Kingdom Hearts franchise, and couldn't locate a similar topic on this wiki (if there is one by all means point it out).

Just thought I'd ask, on the characters page, should we list tropes exhibited by individual heartless? (like theme nameing for the color-music types or Colossus Climb for groundshaker.) And if we do should we do the same with unversed and either give them their own section or combine their tropes with Vanitas.

I put up a Does This Remind You of Anything? note on the Main page because we now have not less than three characters who are some freaky combination of Sora and Kairi. And then, when these characters merge with Sora and Kairi, they don't return everything to the one it originally came from. By the end of Kingdom Hearts II, a part of Sora has permanently become part of Kairi and vice versa. This could be cute, or it could be Nightmare Fuel, but this is on way of sneaking references to sex and parenthood into these games.