Trope Description Improvement Drive

But if you're looking for other possible improvements to the description of Brain/Computer Interface...I would start at the beginning, where it talks about Cyberpunk before it even describes the trope!

I would start by describing the trope, and then maybe say something along the lines of "While the trope is nearly as old as the digital computer, it came into prominence with the rise of Cyberpunk, in the 1980s, which adopted it as a stock plot device."

edited 19th Oct '17 3:12:16 PM by Xtifr

Phosphor-Essence:

"A character occupies a special place in the story: This character is either exceptionally powerful, exceptionally pure or both."

Isn't the "exceptionally powerful" part just a copy of Power Glows?

Hello?

edited 26th Oct '17 9:32:04 PM by Malady

I ended up at Those Wacky Nazis while pothole surfing and it's unholy mess that looks more like a thesis on Nazis in the media than anything else and isn't exactly clear what the trope is.

Dear lord that is a mess

My proposal

1)Move Characters so it's after the description

2)Stock phases and slurs can be removed entirely

3) The description's fourth paragraph can be removed to save on the bloat,but I was thinking we might have to go further,especially with the first paragraph

sand box is here,feel free to make changes

Also removed that long note,a note is supposed to be short not a bloody extra paragraph

edited 5th Nov '17 10:06:21 AM by Ultimatum

The following paragraph was added to Merchandise-Driven:

"This is an Enforced Trope for just about any Western action cartoon, even those that weren't explicitly created to push merch. All those gadgets, characters, and elaborate fight sequences are expensive to design, after all—but they also would make great toys, so a line of tie-in merchandise is the perfect way to help recoup those costs. Of course, if the toys sell well enough, the toy executives are going to want to make more and will likely pressure you to promote them through your cartoon—and if toy sales dry up, there goes 9/10 of your budget, and if you can't find a suitable alternative cash flow, your show will soon follow. And so things come full circle."

Opinions?

Sorta irrelevant to the center of the trope? Sorta opinionated as well?

I should have mentioned this back when it was in TLP, but the last paragraph of Stock Shōnen Rival bugs me. Is it just me or is it too... tropey? It names a bunch of tropes that rivals have, however it just ends up looking like a bunch of blue text. It isn't as nice looking as Stock Shōnen Hero.

Maybe make it into a list instead of a paragraph? Or, ideally, flesh it out?

Edit: Is Unfortunate Implications in Boomerang Bigot okay? I thought that trope needed citations.

edited 11th Nov '17 5:02:27 PM by Pichu-kun

The following paragraph was added in Greater-Scope Villain:

• Abusive Parents, the Evil Mentor, and other such characters who made the Big Bad who they are.

Opinions?

I don't think that fits with the definition, though an Evil Mentor might qualify as a GSV under specific circumstances.

The description for Limit Break more or less says "Exalted is not really an example"...despite it, well, being listed in the examples. And going by the description of how they work in Exalted, I'd say they do qualify as examples (albeit as a potential subversion), so...okay if I cut out that line?

Should Ingesting Knowledge have a mention of Abstract Eater? 'Cause the former sounds like a subtrope of the latter?

Yeah, it seems to be a subtrope.

Is Stellar Naming a type of Theme Naming? 'Cause it doesn't seem to be about characters having a Theme, as much as characters that have a Astronomical Meaningful Name?

Was trying to find the trope for the Red Link of Astronomical Theme Naming in "Day of the Week" Name.

Should Eye Color Change be made as the super trope for "Eye Colors Change for some reason"? 'Cause, it seems that all of its examples are Mood Ring Eyes for SplitPersonalities...

Mood Ring Eyes should mention Red Eyes, Take Warning, at the very least?

And it's not connected to Mary Sues, Inconsistent Coloring in the eyes, is...

edited 5th Dec '17 3:32:00 PM by Malady

A recent discussion in the Neon Genesis Evangelion thread about Hot Blooded Sideburns has yielded a suggestion that said trope's description may stand to be tweaked such that it clearly states female characters with earlocks (or sidelocks, or whatever you call them) that resemble actual sideburns (which are Always Male) can qualify as examples of the trope.

Examples of what I'm talking about:

• Google up any image of Cutey Honey's eponymous protagonist. As Honey Kisaragi, her sidelocks are just part of her Hime Cut hairstyle; but as the superheroine Cutey Honey, they become longer, messier and looser, resembling the actual sideburns that are typical of Go Nagai's other works (fun fact: Hot Blooded Sideburns are so omnipresent in Go Nagai works that they used to be called Go Nagai Sideburns).
• More relevant to the aforementioned NGE thread discussion: Asuka Langley Soryu on the rare occasions that she wears her hair down. For the record, she's a deconstruction of Hot-Blooded.
• Exhibit A: Episode 9, when Asuka makes her first appearance in Misato's apartment.◊
• Exhibit B: Episode 22, when Asuka is talking to herself in the shower.◊

We'd appreciate some additional feedback on the matter.

Insert Song has a description vague enough to give some doubt to its tropeworthiness. Too many of the examples are just weblinks.

In an attempt to explain why the trope is unrealistic, the description of Shoot the Rope goes into a multi-paragraph explanation of the history of hanging and how it kills someone. Though it certainly is a fascinating read, it's also not 100% relevant to the topic at hand and could afford to be made much shorter. Maybe like this:

The description for Preppy Name is way too long.

This bit can definitely go. A lot of the info (everything not anglophone, as that's predominantly where and how the trope is used) would do better on an Analysis/ page

edited 20th Dec '17 12:51:01 PM by lakingsif

- So, should we Sandbox it, or just move that section without Sandboxing?

... Sandbox.Trope Description Improvement Drive isn't a thing we use anymore, right?

Do all Description changes have to go through here? Or is this thread more for discussing changes that we individuals are not sure about or something?

If it's a large change to a trope description, it should go to TRS, or YKTTW if it needs basically remaking. If it's more like removing irrelevant stuff, rewriting, clarifying, it's a courtesy to mention it somewhere before you edit. It also helps to have a link for an edit reason to prevent edit wars.

For that, I'd make a sandbox for the analysis, transplant the text there.

edited 29th Dec '17 10:32:41 AM by lakingsif

- Thanks! ... So, anyone have anything to say regarding these?

Child Mage:

Changing:

The main magic user in the game or story happens to be the youngest person in the group.

To:

There's at least one magic user in the game or story that happens to be a pre-teen.

Reasons: What is Child Mage thread: here, and that sentence was agreed to be a problem 6 years ago. Although, that was in the Laconic.

Life Meter, Hit Points, and Mana Meter and Mana:

Adding sentences saying that the meters are subtropes of the substances.

Reason: It's sort of been discussed in my "Is LifeMeter a subtrope of HitPoints?" thread.

I am still watching those threads, so if you have something to contribute, those are available.

Wait... Do folders not work in the forums, now?? ... - Changing quoteboxes to indents... Seeing what happens... Removing folder code... It might be due to my previous folder up above?

edited 31st Dec '17 8:52:13 AM by Malady

I thought folders did work, that's odd.

and I give you for suggestions.

Pretty sure it's a case of folder markup and quoteblock markup not playing nice with each other, FYI.

One-Hit-Point Wonder:

Change:

Into:

?

Child Mage

Given that this appears latter on in the description:

This trope extends towards the Little People sometimes, as well, considering many have a child-like appearance (or even mannerisms). Just don't say that to the dwarves.

...

Should the first sentence change from:

The main magic user in the game or story happens to be the youngest person in the group

Into:

There's at least one magic user in the game or story that appears to be a pre-teen.

Or just remove that bit on Little People?

'Cause in that case, it would be Older Than They Look with a subversion of Child Mage?

edited 3rd Jan '18 1:07:05 PM by Malady

No feedback regarding this?