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openPossible Broken Aesop? Film
So, saw that adding a Broken Aesop to The Last Jedi's page would need to be approved first, so I figured to ask if this was acceptable (or if it was already added/removed)
One of the aesops was that your life is too important to throw away. However, it's underscored by not Holdo's Heroic Sacrifice to take out an entire fleet and Luke's sacrifice to hold off the First Order long enough for everyone to escape, but it's also underscored by the person giving the aesop in the first place, Rose, who nearly died to save Finn from having to sacrifice himself in the first place.
openDiscredited Tropes Film
On the "Barbaric Bully" page it states that the trope is "on it's way to being discredited". It also mentions that the trope is still truth in television in the UK because of Values dissonance. What does that mean when it said value dissonance makes this an omniscient trope in the UK? Does this apply to any other countries too. If so please list them.
resolved Indiana Jones Box Office Bomb Film
So I see people adding Box Office Bomb to Trivia.Indiana Jones And The Dial Of Destiny when it technically hasn’t ended it’s box office run yet. According to Box Office Mojo, it’s still playing in 145 theaters in North America (not sure about foreign countries). What should be done with the entry?
resolved Try to avoid edit war Film
Few days ago, drakenlol added an entry about Justice League (2017). I removed it on the ground that it got mixed reviews from the start and only have "a small but passionate group of supporters who defended it". So there must be larger group of audiencr who never like it.
Today, dwave restored it and claimed "Just because the reception was mixed instead of unilaterally positive isn't the point, it's that the film's reception has shifted to be universally panned. I can back that up too - people were much kinder when it originally came out compared to now."... which isn't what this trope is about, Condemned by History is about something very popular then become universally panned. They seem to aware of this too as they later change the words from "a small but passionate group of supporters who defended it" to "widely viewed as a Surprisingly Improved Sequel to Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, and even had a decent base of supporters."
I'm neither moviegoer nor DC fan, so I've no idea if the movie really "had a decent base of supporters" or not. But a reply on Condemned by History cleanup thread suggest otherwise.
openIs this an edit war? Film
On Saw X:
- El Juaco first added an entirely spoiler-tagged example of Content Leak.
- I removed the spoiler tag on the grounds that everything regarding the leak (including the Adam corpse and its actor, which is what this issue is mostly raised upon) was already shown in the trailer, and I'm sure it's not a case of Trailers Always Spoil.
- El Juaco re-added the tag on the Content Leak entry, this time limited to the mention of the Adam corpse and claiming in their edit reason that "who Tommy Crowder plays may be a spoiler". They also added a new completely spoiler-tagged example of The Other Darrin mentioning corpse.
At first, I didn't send any PMs or notifiers to El Juaco because I thought the spoiler tag was going to be a one-off thing I'd simply remove, but then they partially re-added it, so I'm here to ask if El Juaco started an Edit War or not. I've also sent them a PM to notify them about this query.
Edited by Inky100resolved Need to avoid an edit war. What's the budget? Film
I made an edit to the BoxOfficeBomb.G Through H page a few days ago to crosswick an entry for Guns Akimbo, but today I woke up to see that my edit got reverted because it had no budget. Noticeably I saw that the original wick found on Trivia.Guns Akimbo wasn't removed at all despite not listing the budget that is a requisite for being listed on Box Office Bomb. (I have tried to search for the budget of the film, but $847,947 gross is definitely a bomb based on the average movie budget of $50 to 100 million to produce). Is there a way I can look up movie budgets for a movie? I'm thinking of commenting out the original wick until then.
EDIT: Found a listing on imdb, but extra information is behind a soft paywall. Not going to get ahead from that source.
Edited by Jalpo99open Sweetheart Nightmare fuel page Film
Is no one gonna help start a nightmare fuel page for the 2019 monster movie, Sweetheart? There is is some scary stuff in here.
open Where to suggest page quotes? Film
I'd like the suggest the quote below as a page quote for Mistaken for Related, but where do I suggest it?
open What trope does this fit ? Film
So I recently learned that the actor dog that played John Wick's dog Daisy, then named Andy, is now called Wick after the man himself. So now I'm left wondering if there's any Trivia or Main trope this example belongs to ? Can you guys help me out ?
open Movie Scene Where Guy in Suit Plays with Kids Film
I'm not thinking of John Travolta in Look Who's Talking Too with "All Shook Up"—though maybe I am. I'm actually thinking of another scene at a kids play place in a movie where the man plays with the kids while I think the song in the background is "Chantilly Lace". Maybe it was something I just imagined I saw all these years and was never actually real though, so there you go. Haha.
openOf crosswicking for The Movie of a series Film
So, I recently made individual pages for both BoBoiBoy movies, BoBoiBoy: The Movie and BoBoiBoy Movie 2, and am gradually crosswicking them.
Let's say there's occurrences of the same trope both in the original series and in a movie. Should the latter's example be a sub-bullet of the former on the trope page? Or should the movie's examples go in the appropriate Film folder?
Example: Height Insult has 3 examples from BBB, 2 of which are from movies, but I was hesitant to move the two movie examples to the "Films - Animated" folder, which I now think would be appropriate since I moved those sub-bullets for that trope example to the respective movie pages from the BoBoiBoy page itself.
A different example: Mourning a Dead Robot has two BBB examples, one from the series and one from the movie. I haven't edited it recently yet to correct the wick, but I'm uncertain if I should leave the movie example in its current position or move it to the "Films - Animated" folder.
I lean towards separating show examples from movie examples in crosswicking unless they have information that cross-references each other. But I'd like to get more feedback please. Thank you.
open[RESOLVED] Projects thread for to-do namespace migrations? Film
Film.The Ruins was a book first, but the Literature namespace is currently redirecting to the film. Is there a projects thread I can bring this up in?
Edited by StarSwordopenHow Do I Link to the Nightmare Fuel Page of a Film? Film
While making an edit, I’ve discovered how I can link to the main page of another film but I wanna know how to specifically link to a specific page about that film (i.e. Awesome, Funny or Nightmare Fuel). Help?
openEdit War: Dial Of Destiny Trivia page Film
Recently, I deleted a Recycled Script entry from Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny that read as follows:
" Recycled Script: Once the plot leaves the US and until the very climax, it's bit-by-bit Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis: chase in Tangiers, diving around Greek shore for clues, Nazis always breathing on the back of Indy, Sun Disc, penetrating half-sunk complex, following tracks of a Greek philosopher, improvised flight sequence... the list really goes on."
After checking the trope description, it seems that Recycled Script is when a script is literally recycled word-for-word, not when two stories have similar plot elements. That's the other thing, that a lot of this entry is just pointing out things that are similar between the two stories without providing evidence that the script was recycled, in addition to most of the things being described occurring in a typical Indiana Jones story. Not no mention that this entry(at least to me) feels like disguised complaining in the form of It's the Same, So It Sucks on the Trivia page. Therefore, i removed the entry with a short explanation.
A day or so later, Tropiarz, the original adder of the entry, re-added it as such:
"* Recycled Script: Once the plot leaves the US and until the very climax, it's bit-by-bit Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis. We've got, among other things:
- Solving the greater mystery requires following the tracks of a Greek philosopher (Plato vs. Archimedes).
- Chase through the streets of Algiers/Tangiers.
- Diving around the Greek shore for clues regarding greater mystery.
- Found in Greece Sun Disc/Graphikos with clues to follow and puzzles to solve with it. And they both look very similar.
- A half-sunk, maze-like complex to penetrate, all while dodging Nazis (ruins of Atlantis vs. Archimedes' tomb).
- An untrained pilot having to first commandeer a vessel and then perform a daring flight (Indy vs. Teddy)
- And of course, Nazis are always breathing on the back of Indy, often inexplicably showing up at the scene, using him to solve the puzzles for them."
Not only is this edit warring and do the same problems persist with the entry, but details have been added that disprove their own point! The scene in Fate Of Atlantis takes place in Algiers, which is the capital of Algeria and thousands of miles away from Morocco(and by extension Tangier). The Sun Disc is a MacGuffin with a different role in the story to the Graphikos, which is a Faux Guffin. Archimedes was not a philosopher, he was an inventor, meaning there is no comparison between him and Plato to be made. Worst of all, "Nazis are always breathing on the back of Indy, often inexplicably showing up at the scene, using him to solve the puzzles for them" literally happens in Raiders, Last Crusade and is also done by the Commies in Crystal Skull. This is literally just a thing the villains do in Indiana Jones stories.
Am I correct in my reasoning that Dial Of Destiny isn't a Recycled Script?
Edited by ReginaldOgron5open BBC fantasy documentary Film
Does anyone remember a BBC documentary showing what would happen to our cities if the human race disappeared overnight? I've Googled but all I got was the U.S. version, Life After People, which was rubbish.
openJust in case anyone talks about an edit war Film
I'm only setting up this ATT query to let anyone know (in case they're suspicious) that my revert to the page stinger in Saw X was done with permission from the troper who first changed it (Wayward Typhoon 7) in the General Page Quote Discussion Thread, so I'm sure it shouldn't count as an Edit War.
For any mod who sees this query, feel free to lock it.
Edited by Inky100openHow do I propose an amendment? Film
In the trope 'Sweet Polly Oliver', I'd like to add reference to the movie YOUNG EINSTEIN, wherein Marie Curie dresses as Einstein's father in order to gain access to the asylum and convince him to escape. She is "discovered" when she rips off the fake beard, and (I think / I'll have to double-check) Brian Aspirin announces in shock, "He's a woman!"
openRe-added ZCE: ''Film/IndianaJonesAndTheDialOfDestiny'' Film
So, a while ago, I commented out a ZCE on the Dial of Destiny page under Deadpan Snarker, which merely read "Helena, as typical for a character played by Phoebe Waller-Bridge". I explained in the edit reason that simply stating the name of the actress doesn't count as context. Very recently, someone uncommented the trope and put this as the description:
"Helena in particular. Indy still has a bit of this as in prior films. Even Marion when she answers that she's there to put away groceries. just like old times."
Now, am I hallucinating or is this an equally contextless example? Wouldn't the correct thing to do be to provide specific instances for each character and explain how it's snarky in relation to the scene, sub-bulleted instead of all on the same line, and without pointless natter on the end? If I am correct, can I re-comment out the trope with an explanation and avoid an edit war?
Edited by ReginaldOgron5openPage stinger question to avoid an edit war Film
A couple days ago, Wayward Typhoon 27 extended the page quote on Saw X the include more of the speech involved, which I understand, but they also changed the stinger from this (which followed on the quote):
To this (based on The Hollies' "The Air that I Breathe" being used in the film's trailer):
I'm not really a fan of this change as a lyrical excerpt of a song featured in the trailer doesn't really illustrate the film in my opinion, on top of disrupting with the page quote. Not to mention, the song could be exclusively used for the trailer and not appear in the actual film at all.
Can I revert the change?
Edited by Inky100
Oh, No... Not Again! is obviously the trope for a situation repeating, but what about when you run into someone you wish you never would run into again though? Like with Home Alone 2 and Ginger's "It's her!" reaction to Mrs. Tweedy in the upcoming Chicken Run sequel too? There a trope for that or would it fit under the same umbrella?