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matruz (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
2023-09-09 09:32:00

One key difference between the two is that Holdo was already ready to sacrifice her life from the moment she decided to stay behind and pilot the cruiser, something that was necessary and Leia agreed to. While what Finn was attempting to do was established as going to be a Senseless Sacrifice, as Poe figured it out and ordered everyone to retreat beforehand.

The aesop of the movie was more against senseless sacrifices, as I saw it.

Vilui Since: May, 2009
2023-09-09 09:52:04

Something a character says is not necessarily something you are meant to agree with.

Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015
2023-09-09 11:26:12

The TLJ Aesop was about not sacrificing lives needlessly, not not sacrificing. The issue is Holdo and Luke's were only necessary due to their avoidable mistakes (like Poe's which was admonished) and Finn's was when there was seemingly no other option.

But if/how we tell if something said was supposed to be taken as the Aesop is why it is set for TRS. Can't tell it Broken Aesop applies if we can't even define Aesop clearly.

Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught
number9robotic (Experienced Trainee)
2023-09-09 12:29:12

One of the aesops was that your life is too important to throw away.

Here's the issue: where's the explanation for why that's actually true? What about The Last Jedi exposits that that's the actual moral lesson it's intending to impart? If that thesis cannot be verified by the actual work as an aesop it's actually purposefully trying to deliver, it's not an aesop, let alone a "broken" one.

Thanks for playing Kings Quest V!
TheMountainKing Since: Jul, 2016
2023-09-09 21:20:14

Tangential, but you're using "underscored" wrong. Underscore means "reinforce or support", I think the word you mean is "undercut".

Psyga315 Since: Jan, 2001
2023-09-10 06:49:06

So I'm seeing that, no, this is not applicable.

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
2023-09-10 12:44:46

Yes, it doesn't fit and shouldn't be added.

Psyga315 Since: Jan, 2001
2023-09-10 20:07:03

Alright, that's all then.

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