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I don't see anywhere in the Recycled Script description that the script has to be recycled word for word, it talks about adapting it for new situations/casts etc. The trope image is recycled word for word but the trope as a whole doesn't require it.
"Dodging nazis" and "The nazis show up and use him to solve the puzzle" is also like... most indiana jones films.
It's like saying Star Wars movies have the same script coz theres dudes in white armor shooting and missing alot.
For what it’s worth, this is what the trope’s description says “When two or more shows share the same pool of writers (or when a freelance scriptwriter is a particular combination of industrious and lazy), it's not unknown for tight deadlines to be handled by the expedient of taking a script already used by one show and "translating" it to another show.” If being from the same pool of writers is a requirement, then it wouldn’t count because none of the people who wrote the movie wrote the game.
^My impression was it also applied to franchises re-using their stories. But you raised a good argument against that.
I say Recycled Script needs TRS because franchises/creators having similarities doesn't seem trope worthy. Maybe if we limit to official confirmation they re-used the story, which I just realized seems redundant with Inspiration for the Work.
Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught
Entry should stay cut. Recycled Script has issues with integrity on how arbitrarily similar stories need to be to qualify, and there's ultimately no real benefit to describing these vague similarities other than "they are vaguely similar".
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1) To have an edit war, I would have to just put back the thing you've slashed. Instead, I've did the thing you've asked for in the commentary to your own slashing edit. After all, "I believe Recycled Script needs to be more one-to-one comparable", which is provided in nice, easy-to-follow bullet-points, organised with the flow of the middle act of Dial, counter-referencing elements from Fate.
2) The script only really needs a detour to Crete to recreate the "Brawl" path from Fate of Atlantis ENTIRELY. That's how close they are. I am not going to write a wall of text, spoiler-heavy analysis-cum-description of both scripts just to satisfy your arbitrary demand for doing so, when the trope in question doesn't require it. It's sufficiently descriptive as it is.
3) You not agreeing with things =/= people being wrong. We've been over this and last time it ended with your suspension.
@Ghilz Nice Quote Mining, given the full sentence is "A half-sunk, maze-like complex to penetrate, all while dodging Nazis" - a plot element only included in Fate of Atlantis.
PS - the actual place to ask was Is this an example?
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PPS - given how you plan to play it on semantics:
- Chase through the streets of Algiers/Tangiers.
- Chase through the streets of a North-African port city (Algiers vs. Tangiers).
^ From the Edit War page: "If person A adds/deletes something, person B removes/restores it, and A changes it back, A is edit warring. If B changes something, A reverts it, and B changes it again, B is edit warring. However, if A adds/deletes something, B removes/restores it, but it's C that changes it back, no one is considered guilty, but it should still be taken to an appropriate venue. The third edit in the chain is the threshold, meaning any troper repeating (or restoring to functionally the same) any of their previous edits on a page. Edit warring is grounds for suspension for all guilty parties."
Reformatting the example to be sub-bulleted instead of a single paragraph doesn't make it not an example of an edit war. You added the example, I cut it, you re-added it. You're the third edit in the chain.
Edited by ReginaldOgron5 It's not about the gold; it's about the glory.
If you feel that they are "functionally the same", let's wait for a mod to decide. I've said my piece already.
One more thing
@Ferot_Dreadnaught: I actually don't mind. Because it is the sort of thing that MIGHT require in-depth analysis in general, the sort of thing that was needed with Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard to stop people from over/misusing them. But right now that's not the case, and thus anyone is freely allowed to use the trope. If this is going to be the final drop to it and it's going to get TSR - I'm all in for that, since it will have an official stamp when posted in accordance to the guidelines.
Bumping since we have an issue that needs possible mod intervention.
It's not about the gold; it's about the glory.
Re the "PS" in the previous comment - my understanding is that all edit war reports (including grey areas) should come to ATT, not the "Is this an example" thread. By the time someone's added it back / deleted it again, it's not an example question.
Edited by Mrph1
I don't know if this counts as an edit war, but the indentation used in the re-added version is enough of a problem after two notifiers for indentation, so suspended for that at least.
Edited by GastonRabbit Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Now that that's resolved, should I re-cut the example or leave it?
It's not about the gold; it's about the glory.
I don't know if it's valid or not because I'm not familiar with the work, so I'll defer to others here on the matter, but if it's kept, the indentation needs to be cleaned up because bullet points are for keeping multiple examples separate instead of splitting parts of a single example.
Edited by GastonRabbit Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Speaking as someone who has also not seen either, it sounds more like a bunch of plot points common across the genre than a story lifted wholesale. It never mentions his god-daughter or the villain's plan, which as I understand are important to the film. Clichés inevitably re-occur in a genre done more for visuals and action than story, and these are just some of the more common ones.
Stories don't tell us monsters exist; we knew that already. They show us that monsters can be trademarked and milked for years.
Alright, I'm cutting it with a link to this thread, since pretty much everyone here besides the troper who added it says axe it.
It's not about the gold; it's about the glory.
Dial of Destiny and Fate of Atlantis being written by two different groups of writers — thus, no one is doing any "recycling" — should be enough to justify cutting this, in my opinion.
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Recently, I deleted a Recycled Script entry from Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny that read as follows:
" Recycled Script: Once the plot leaves the US and until the very climax, it's bit-by-bit Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis: chase in Tangiers, diving around Greek shore for clues, Nazis always breathing on the back of Indy, Sun Disc, penetrating half-sunk complex, following tracks of a Greek philosopher, improvised flight sequence... the list really goes on."
After checking the trope description, it seems that Recycled Script is when a script is literally recycled word-for-word, not when two stories have similar plot elements. That's the other thing, that a lot of this entry is just pointing out things that are similar between the two stories without providing evidence that the script was recycled, in addition to most of the things being described occurring in a typical Indiana Jones story. Not no mention that this entry(at least to me) feels like disguised complaining in the form of It's the Same, So It Sucks on the Trivia page. Therefore, i removed the entry with a short explanation.
A day or so later, Tropiarz, the original adder of the entry, re-added it as such:
"* Recycled Script: Once the plot leaves the US and until the very climax, it's bit-by-bit Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis. We've got, among other things:
Not only is this edit warring and do the same problems persist with the entry, but details have been added that disprove their own point! The scene in Fate Of Atlantis takes place in Algiers, which is the capital of Algeria and thousands of miles away from Morocco(and by extension Tangier). The Sun Disc is a MacGuffin with a different role in the story to the Graphikos, which is a Faux Guffin. Archimedes was not a philosopher, he was an inventor, meaning there is no comparison between him and Plato to be made. Worst of all, "Nazis are always breathing on the back of Indy, often inexplicably showing up at the scene, using him to solve the puzzles for them" literally happens in Raiders, Last Crusade and is also done by the Commies in Crystal Skull. This is literally just a thing the villains do in Indiana Jones stories.
Am I correct in my reasoning that Dial Of Destiny isn't a Recycled Script?
Edited by ReginaldOgron5