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I'm inclined to agree. He mainly got added for the mass slaughter bit which was admittedly very nasty.

One final character from OP we should discuss...Captain Kuro from early in the series. For such limited resource and power, he was...impressively vile.

edited 3rd Apr '14 6:31:39 PM by Lightysnake

Kuro is easily the worst of the early villains. He's a small-time pirate (being from the weakest ocean, after all) but is about as bad as those can get. No objections here. With greater range/resources I think he'd be at least as bad as Hody.

edited 3rd Apr '14 6:39:15 PM by HamburgerTime

There's really only one reason I'd object to Kuro: the outcome of his entire plan to murder a girl who trusted him and gain her fortune was to retire from piracy. Wouldn't a true Complete Monster rather go on hurting people and never tire of it? Kuro had no real redeeming qualities, but the fact that he was wishing to just give up on evildoing after this last big plan shows that he does not go all out as he could. So it's not just lack of resources, but lack of incentive.

edited 3rd Apr '14 6:53:14 PM by ANewMan

Anyone object if i make my above sandbox additions?

Not exactly. A Cm goal can be 'retire with all their ill-gotten gains' and become a Retired Monster. The issue is to do this, Kuro is planning an enormous body count.

I mean, a CM can desire the destruction of everything (leaving nothing left to hurt by default), or commit brutal murders and just end there because they're bored. Kuro just hates notoriety. there is no reason he has to go on killing people when his crimes were already bad enough, as long as there's nothing redeeming

While it's true he wishes to retire, it's not out of a desire to no longer be evil, it's because he's tired of living his life by coming up with plans for his crew, whom he views as a bunch of idiots, and being chased by bounty hunters and marines. He's still a sadist who enjoys hurting people, as his near killing of Merry shows, he's just realized that it can be more profitable and peaceful not to be a pirate than it would be if he returned to piracy.

edited 3rd Apr '14 7:26:17 PM by OccasionalExister

Here's my attempted writeup.

• Captain Kuro was once a pirate captain before he decided that it can be more profitable and peaceful to retire. He massacres a Marine ship, leaving only one survivor. He has his death faked by brainwashing a member of his crew into thinking he is Kuro, and the surviving Marine into thinking he captured Kuro. He goes to Syrup island and acts as a butler to Ill Girl Kaya, then contacts his original crew and has them raid the island. He tries to have Kya brainwashed into signing the family fortune to him, so he can have her killed and take all of the money. When his plans started to fail, he threatened to kill his crew if they didn't hurry up, does care when he cuts them up in his fight with Luffy, and reveals later that he had always planned to kill them all once the plan was complete to keep his identity safe. He could have done all this without mass slaughter and murder of Kaya, but his ego couldn't take letting her live.

edited 4th Apr '14 7:34:11 AM by randomtroper89

I think we should specify he was gonna hypnotize her into it before murdering her.

Also a few other details:

1. He always planned to murder her. That was the plan from the start. he didn't live there peacefully and then opt for it.

2. It should mention his frenzied attempt to murder Luffy and not caring how he's shredding his own crew. Plus how he treats Kaya's gift towards him before he tried to murder Merry.And on that note, how he could have done all this without mass slaughter and murder of Kaya, but his ego couldn't take letting her live

Alright, so is Gralo's write up good to go?

One slight correction regarding Shiliew — he appears to have actually been the head jailer of Impel Down at the time of his rampage. So as best we can tell the head man of Impel Down just suddenly snapped one day and went a-murderin'.

That said, on further thought I'm inclined to agree with the majority here and say that Shiliew hasn't really done enough in the present day to justify a spot on the list.

Hey I got a follow up question, how much evidence do we need that someone cares about someone else to discount them as being a CM?

I was rereading Future Imperfect again and I noticed a scene where after a bunch of his soldiers were killed in a trap set by the rebels, the Maestro remarks "Huh. Poor devils." He doesn't seem very emotional and he seems more annoyed that the same trap ruined his clothes. Plus putting "Huh" in front of a sentence always makes you sound insincere. He also dismissed them as idiots a couple of pages before.

Sorry, I am likely over thinking this, but I want to be thorough.

edited 3rd Apr '14 10:38:36 PM by TheOverlord

"Poor devils" is at once slightly sympathetic and contemptuous. I'd say that it's not nearly enough to disqualify him, honestly.

I'm somewhat reluctant to cut Saleon, but I can agree with a few of the points raised here. Therefore I'm going to abstain.

Doesn't sound at all like genuine caring, more like "sucks to be you". He's still from me.

edited 4th Apr '14 5:30:15 AM by LordXavius

Jafar in Once Upon a Time in Wonderland: In the final we find out that His plan to win his father's love by breaking the rules of Magic was actually a plan to make him realize what it feels like to be killed by a loved one. Jerk with a Heart of Jerk indeed. Then he pulls a You Have Outlived Your Usefulness on every people who helped him.

His sole redeeming quality left is the fact he loved his mother who died when he was a boy. But I don't know if that disqualifies him because after he gains the power to bring people back from the dead, he never think about her.

edited 4th Apr '14 5:51:46 AM by Silverblade2

Yeah, everything I saw on Jafar indicates he's abandoned any human feeling he once had and no longer cares about his mother

Doesn't seem disqualifying. He can bring back people from the dead but doesn't do so to his mother he supposedly loves?

edited 4th Apr '14 6:09:34 AM by ACW

I'd say he counts if he doesn't love his mother anymore.

Don't mean to nag but may I add these to the Anime/Manga sandbox?

Go ahead. I may have some minor edits for quality when they're there.

With End of Days Satan at a 4/0 to keep I've completed another write-up. Shown here indented with the other film version who qualified:

• Some film incarnations of The Devil have qualified due to their sheer monstrousness and lack of sympathy in their portrayal:
  • John Milton aka Satan in The Devil's Advocate runs an Occult Law Firm staffed by his demons and humans he corrupted, using the legal system to get violent criminals off the hook and spread corruption everywhere in the world, hoping that the Earth will become such a perversion that it will hurt Heaven and spite God. Having to work around the free will of humans, he subtly manipulates them to give in to evil instead. He rapes multiple women over the years so he can find offspring good enough to mate with each other and further produce The Antichrist. He drives Kevin's wife Mary Ann to madness and suicide, and rapes her for half a day, leaving her with scratch and bite marks all over her body. He later taunts his son Kevin with this crime in an especially vile Post-Rape Taunt. He brutally kills everyone within his company who tries to expose his crimes. When Kevin destroys his plan by killing himself, he kills his daughter in his moment of rage to vent his anger and turns her into a withered husk.
  • Satan from End of Days is released from Hell every 1000 years at the end of the millennium to impregnate a chosen women against her will so he can sire The Antichrist and cause The End of the World as We Know It by turning it into a nightmarish hellscape for eternity. Throughout the film he commits countless atrocities for his personal amusement or no reason at all. He possesses a New York businessman to accomplish this and later leaves the damaged host to die when he finds that repairing it again will take too long. In his introductory scene he makes out with a woman in front of her husband in a crowded restaurant, then leaves and blows up the whole place as he walks away. He uses his powers to make himself sexually irresistible and take advantage of several women, but when it's no longer convenient for him he tries to rape the heroine kicking and screaming. He plagues his chosen concubine Christine York with vivid nightmares that he'll take her one day. He murders his own Satanist minions for the most minor failure or inconvenience. He burns someone alive for refusing to kill his best friend and vacating his side, kills a room full of priests trying to stop the world-ending union and earlier crucifies one to a ceiling for the awful crime of almost damaging his Badass Longcoat, and forces the hero Jericho Caine to relive his dead wife and child's murder after he refuses to help him in his plans. He's pure evil, plain and simple.

I was wondering whether Queen Akasha from The Vampire Chronicles counted. I'm personally only familiar with the two movie adaptations (I'll admit Queen of the Damned is a hilariously bad Guilty Pleasure though), so is anyone here familiar with the book series? This was the old entry from the YMMV page that seems to have been cut without any real discussion.

• Complete Monster: Akasha is this almost no matter how you try to look at her. Ranging from her massacre of Maharet and Mekare's village down to the last woman and child all so that she could obtain their spirit-summoning powers for herself, to having them publicly raped and humiliated before the court, to finally sentencing them to be mutilated and burned because she unfairly blamed them for the accident that turned her and her husband into the Mother and Father. It is worse in modern times, as she plans to execute almost every human male in the world in order to set up a paradise over which she will rule over as a goddess, flying around the globe and hypnotizing hundreds of women at a time into committing these murders while she watches. Among the actions of countless morally gray characters that appear within the Chronicles, her crimes are a stark contrast that make it all the more apparent.

Pretty heinous, but her wikia entry is quite interesting. She was apparently possessed by an evil spirit to become the first vampire, but the way it's described seems to keep her moral agency intact, as their souls merged to become a new creature with the powers and free will of both. Her subsequent actions are rather conflicting, in that while she seems to be presented as the most heinous vampire by far, her love for Lestat is depicted as genuine because she purposely spared several friends of his rather than kill them in her worldwide massacre.

The movie version might even have a better chance of qualifying. The spirit backstory is entirely absent (which begs the question where vampires even come from in this setting...) and she seems to have always been a bloodthirsty monster of her own volition. She ruled Ancient Egypt as an Evil Overlord and ran the kingdom as a complete slaughterhouse (she projects visions of these various random massacres to Lestat during their first meeting) before turning into a statue. The other ancient vampires who came to live in harmony with humans fear and hate her for her indiscriminate blood lust for humans and vampires alike. When she awakens in the present she rips out a vampire's heart and burns a dozen others with pyrokinesis (heinous not because she's devouring or killing a bunch of sadistic monsters but because they're her own progeny), murders several hundred people later on to drink their blood and walk in the sun, announces her plan to turn the whole world back into a vampire tyranny and reduce the human race to cattle, commands Lestat to kill his human love interest to prove his loyalty to her, and gives her closest vampire immortals the option of joining her or dying.

The only thing I can see that might disqualify her is her brief fling with Lestat and plan to make him her consort. The question is whether this is genuine love for Lestat as a person or possessive desire like, say, Volgin for Raikov. She does protect Lestat because she's interested in him, but she already drank her previous king to death to absorb his powers when she woke up in the present. It seems more plausible to me that she's just looking for another pretty boy consort to have some fun with before discarding him just as easily. When he turns against her for her Omnicidal Maniac tendencies she does try to kill him without a second thought.

edited 4th Apr '14 9:18:00 AM by Morgenthaler

I think I'll say yea to Akasha. She seems to easily be the most heinous and have no real redeeming qualities or good features. Asking a friend who was a fan of the series, she says Akasha has full agency because the evil spirit is more an infection that turned her and her husband into the first vampires, but Akasha's still the same being entirely.

Here are my new writeups:

• Harlan Degroat of the 2013 film Out Of the Furnace is a violent backwoods meth boss who begins the film at a drive-in movie with a date. When she thinks him having food poisoning is funny, Degroat chokes her and beats her before pummeling a good Samaritan coming to her aid nearly to death. Later, when Degroat is offered the chance to make money by a man who owes him named Petty via Petty's fighter buddy Rodney taking a dive in a bare-knuckle fight so Degroat can take the winnings, Degroat ambushes them and has them both killed simply out of spite, pride and because Rodney did a bit too well before he took the dive. When Rodney's brother Russ tries to trap Degroat later, Degroat executes the unarmed, helpless bartender in the area before trying to flee.

• One Eye, the villain of the Korean animated film Speckles The Tarbosaurus is a Serial Killer and engine of hate of rage in a Tyrannosaurus Rex's skin. One Eye demonstrates he's a calculating, rational monster by initiating a disaster to kill the young Speckles' family and murders his siblings for fun rather than food. He proceeds to haunt Speckles throughout his entire life, trying to kill him or those the Tarbosaurus cares for. At the film's end, he even murders one of Speckles' children and tries to murder the other by hurling the hatchling into the ocean.

• Maman, the slum boss from Slumdog Millionaire is charming, friendly and cheerful to orphans he meets, offering the young Jamal and Salim ice cold coca colas and offering them a place to stay. It is revealed Maman takes in orphans to use as a begging ring for him, and the kids are just free labor. Even worse, cripples earn more money, so when children display good singing talent, Maman has them blinded with acid to increase the revenue. When Salim and Jamal escape, Maman captures their friend Latika and several years later gives her the name 'Cherry' while intending to use her as a child prostitute. The only reason he hasn't done so already is as a virgin, she's worth a great deal of money. When he finds the young Salim and Jamal, he immediately plans to kill them, declaring "Maman never forgets."

Here's my attempt at Captain Kuro:

• Captain Kuro, one of the earliest villains in One Piece was one a feared pirate known as Kuro of the Thousand Plans. Wearied from an existence on the run from bounty hunters and the Marines, Kuro hatched a scheme: he slaughtered every marine on a ship, save one and had his right hand man Jango the Hypnotist hypnotize a crewmember and the surviving marine to make them think they were Captain Kuro and his captor, leading to the execution of the fake Kuro. Kuro traveled to Sugar Island where he became the butler of a kind, sickly girl named Kaya under the name 'Klahadore,' looking after her after her parents died. Kuro plotted to have his former crew arrive and slaughter the island while he'd have Kaya hypnotized to write him as the beneficiary of her will before he murdered her. After Kaya bought him a gift of new glasses, Kuro heartlessly crushed them and attempted to kill her other servant Merry. When Kaya said she'd have just given him the money, he admitted he just wanted her dead for the sake of his ego. If that wasn't enough, Kuro was planning on murdering his entire crew to complete his disappearance and when fighting Luffy, used an attack that led to them being nearly massacred by him. Though an early villain, Kuro was easily one of the most vile.

• The Roswald family, particularly Saint Charloss, embody the worst traits and aspects of the Celestial Dragons. Considering themselves above common people, the Roswalds decide they can do whatever they wish to people. Charloss takes a liking to a pretty nurse and decides to make her the latest in his harem of unwilling wives. When her fiancee protests, Charloss shoots him. Charloss attempts to shoot anyone who irritates him with full legal immunity for himself, and treats anyone lower on the social ladder as less than dirt, even beating a wounded man for not kneeling to him.. He and his family also attend a slave house where they purchase slaves for any purpose they want, and when the reformed villain Hacchan encounters Charloss, Charloss shows himself as a murderous racist towards the Fishmen and nearly kills Hacchan by gunning him down. If that wasn't enough, he tried to buy a mermaid named Kamie for the sole purpose of feeding her to his pet piranhas.

edited 4th Apr '14 10:31:09 AM by Lightysnake

to the One Piece and Maman entries.

Doesn't he also beat up a wounded man for not bowing to him and try to buy Kamie to feed her to his piranhas? Kuro's write-up looks great but there's no D in Jango.

edited 4th Apr '14 10:05:18 AM by OccasionalExister

Better than what I could do, but I'll try to fix the grammar.

• Maman, the slum boss from Slumdog Millionaire, is charming, friendly and cheerful to orphans he first meets, offering the young Jamal and Salim ice cold sodas and offering them a place to stay. However, it is revealed that Maman takes in orphans to use as a begging ring for him, with the kids being free labor. Even worse, when the children display a talent for singing, Maman blinds them with acid to increase the revenue as cripples earn more money. When Salim and Jamal escape, Maman captures their friend Latika and, several years later, gives her the name "Cherry" while intending to use her as a child prostitute. The only reason he hasn't done so already is because as a virgin, she's worth a great deal of money. When he finds the young Salim and Jamal, he immediately plans to kill them, declaring "Maman never forgets."

edited 4th Apr '14 10:08:05 AM by despoa