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If I remember, he also blinded boys so they can be beggars that give money to him and tried to groom Latika into being a child prostitute.

for Maman, Maestro, and Herbert Muller.

Maman.

Lighty, if those writeups are approved, Power Rangers Monsters ans we can swap.

edited 3rd Apr '14 1:12:05 AM by ACW

Maman, Maestro, and Herbert Muller.

Maman

A solid keep to Maman from Slumdog Millionaire from me.

Since Yoshida has received 5/0 to keep and Cobb 4/0 to keep, I've done write-ups for them. I also slightly expanded Mercer to specify his relationship with his accomplice better. I indented the Veronica Mars movie under the show for now (presumably what it would look like on the YMMV page), but should it be added to Monster.Film or Monster.Live Action TV?

• Veronica Mars:
  • Mercer Hayes stands out as one of the vilest rapists in the setting whose crimes are not treated as backstory. He selects college girls with his accomplice who sets it up for him to drug random girls at the local parties, creating a panic on the campus. He rapes the girls in their dorm bedrooms and shaves their heads afterwards just to humiliate them further. His reasoning for his depraved activities amounts to "getting into a girl's pants the normal way takes too long" and he doesn't see his accomplice as anything but a useful tool, beating him when the guy starts to worry that they'll be caught for their crimes.
  • Cobb, the Big Bad of the movie, was a drug dealer in Neptune High. After graduation he gets invited onto a boat party by a group of friends for his supply, but when Susan Knight starts to overdose he lies to the others that it's nothing to worry about. When Susan dies the others panic and he advises them to dispose of the corpse. He then uses this information to blackmail Gia, Luke and Carrie for ten years. Gia Goodman, the girl he lusted after in high school, is forced to have sex with him whenever he wants and live in an apartment without any blinds or curtains so he can ogle her all day from across the street. When Carrie breaks down, he murders her in her own home and uses Gia to frame Carrie's boyfriend Logan Echolls for the murder in a state with the death penalty. When Gia finally confesses all of it to Veronica, he snipes Gia through the window without a flicker of remorse or regret and tries to murder Veronica to cover it all up.

• Yoshida from Showdown in Little Tokyo is a Yakuza boss who is asserting his undisputed rule over the drug trade in Los Angeles by terrifying all criminal opposition with casual dismemberment and over the Little Tokyo district by threatening the local business owners to accept his "protection". When he was still a lowly assassin in Japan two decades ago, he hacked up the young hero's parents in front of the boy and tried to kill him next before the kid stopped him with his own katana. In the present, he crushes a man inside his car to take over his business and decapitates a girl named Angel in mid-coitus for trying to warn the victim. The coroner later points out that the girl was actually already fed so much drugs by Yoshida that she'd be dead in minutes anyway, cutting off her head as well served no purpose beyond cruelty. He kidnaps and rapes Minako, a singer who works for him, after forcing her to watch the tape he shot of himself beheading her friend Angel. He murders one of his own men for failing to stop the heroes from rescuing her because he found the traditional offer of a finger to be lacking. After he captures the two heroes he first tries to torture them to death by electrocution while forcing the singer to watch, and when that fails mash them to bits in a car grinder. When they come back to finish him off after faking their deaths he tries to burn Minako alive out of spite.

I'd also like to suggest another example: Satan from the Schwarzenegger flick End of Days. He's even worse than Pacino's version from The Devil's Advocate. This Satan is released every 1000 years to impregnate a chosen women to sire The Antichrist and try to end the world by turning it into a nightmarish hellscape for eternity.

He possesses a New York banker to accomplish this, destroying that guy's life in any case (he leaves the original host body after it is reduced to a torso only kept alive momentarily by his supernatural powers). In his introductory scene he makes out with a woman in a crowded restaurant in front of her husband, then leaves and blows up the whole place as he walks away. It's implied he's using some form of enchantment to make himself irresistible, as he pulls the same stunt to takes advantage of several other women throughout the film. At the end he doesn't even bother with the love/lust spell anymore and tries to rape the heroine kicking and screaming. He kills his minions for the most minor failure or inconvenience (for instance, decapitating one with a superpowered punch), random people on the street to blow off steam or for no reason at all, crucifies one of his enemies on the ceiling of a hospital, burns someone alive for vacating his side, forces the hero to relive his dead wife and child's murder after he refuses to help him in his plans, among many other displays of casual cruelty and sadism.

The film establishes that he has moral agency and he doesn't even indicate any love for the child he intends to sire (in fact, he doesn't comment on the matter much at all beyond taking the heroine against her will). He's pure evil, plain and simple.

edited 3rd Apr '14 9:34:17 AM by Morgenthaler

Good question of which one to put the VM example under...What have we done in previous situations?

Sorry this took sso long, real life got in the way, here's Gralo's entry:

• Gralo from The Night the Magic Died. An evil Krassau (a race of god-like avian beings), Gralo saw his species as so superior to 'lesser creatures' that he felt entitled to rip the life and magic out of everyone in his path solely to increase his own power, as well as the land itself, leaving lifeless devastation in his wake. By the time we meet him, he's already guilty of maiming sixty one people and murdering another thirty eight, in addition to the aboved widespread devastation. When Nahmat managed to discover a way to counter his power, he fled to Equestria where he possessed an innocent Griffin wizard named Garret and controlled him from within. It's implies Garret was totally aware the entire time but Gralo wouldn't let him do a thing about it and manipulate things so Nahmat looks like the true monster. The moment Nahmat has been seemingly driven off, Gralo emerges and sucks Garret dry of his magic and everything magical (emotions, liveliness, ect.) leaving him an Empty Shell solely because You Have Outlived Your Usefulness, soon doing the same to not only the mane six but Equestria as a whole, threatening to destroy all life in the universe. It's only thanks to The Power of Friendship and Nahmat keeping ponies alive that he didn't murder several hundred if not thousand innocents without a shred of remorse. He gleefully tries to give Breaking Lectures to the Princesses, seemingly only for his own amusement, and threatens to suck Cadence dry in front of them just to make them suffer. After finally being defeated and stripped of his stolen magic by the Princesses and Nahmat, Gralo is judged by his own kind, who deem his atrocities so monstrous and vile, the only fitting punishment is to be sentenced to an And I Must Scream fate because death would be better than he deserves. Even as he's being Dragged Off to Hell, Gralo never once shows one ounce of remorse for his actions, instead using his last moments of freedom to try and vainly turn the Princesses against Nahmat in petty revenge.

edited 3rd Apr '14 8:16:47 AM by Godzillawolf

Tweak:

Gralo from The Night the Magic Died is an evil Krassau (a god-like avian being) who saw his species as so superior to “lesser creatures” that he felt entitled to rip the life and magic out of everyone in his path solely to increase his own power, as well as the land itself, leaving lifeless devastation in his wake.

okay, how's this?

• Gralo from The Night the Magic Died is an evil Krassau (a god-like avian being) who saw his species as so superior to “lesser creatures” that he felt entitled to rip the life and magic out of everyone in his path, as well as the land itself leaving lifeless devastation in his wake, solely to increase his own power. By the time we meet him, he's already guilty of maiming sixty one people and murdering another thirty eight, in addition to the aboved widespread devastation. When Nahmat managed to discover a way to counter his power, he fled to Equestria rather than face the consequences of his actions where he possessed an innocent Griffin wizard named Garret and controlled him from within. It's implies Garret was totally aware the entire time but Gralo wouldn't let him do a thing about it and manipulate things so Nahmat looks like the true monster. The moment Nahmat has been seemingly driven off, Gralo emerges and sucks Garret dry of his magic and everything magical (emotions, liveliness, ect.) leaving him an Empty Shell solely because You Have Outlived Your Usefulness, soon doing the same to not only the mane six but Equestria as a whole, threatening to destroy all life in the universe. It's only thanks to The Power of Friendship and Nahmat keeping ponies alive that he didn't murder several hundred if not thousand innocents without a shred of remorse. He gleefully tries to give Breaking Lectures to the Princesses, seemingly only for his own amusement, and threatens to suck Cadence dry in front of them just to make them suffer. After finally being defeated and his stolen magic returned to where it belonged by the Princesses and Nahmat, Gralo is judged by his own kind, who deem his atrocities so monstrous and vile, the only fitting punishment is to be sentenced to an And I Must Scream fate because death would be better than he deserves. Even as he's being Dragged Off to Hell, Gralo never once shows one ounce of remorse for his actions, instead using his last moments of freedom to try and vainly turn the Princesses against Nahmat in petty revenge.

Sounds good.

I give a to End of Days Satan. Anyone else ?

There are also two examples I'm questioning if we should keep because I'm thinking of adding them to the Film page and Live Action Televison for CM (once I find out how to get past the lock).

The one i'm planning on adding to the film page is Claude from An American Werewolf in Paris, and here's my entry for him in the YMMV page - Claude, leader of a gang of Social Darwinist werewolves, and owner of the Club de la Lune, Claude uses his club to lure people to their deaths. After Andy is bitten during one of the rampages, Claude tries to get Andy to join him, but to do so, Andy must kill his friend Chris. Later Claude learns that Serafine's step father's experimental cure causes imediate transformations, so Claude and his gang kill him, raid his lab for the faux cure and plan on using it at thier raves.

The one I'm planning on adding to the TV page is the Nogitsiune from Teen Wolf and here's it's entry - The Nogitsune possessing Stiles, mentally and emotionally torments him, forces him to torture his friends, and goes on constant murder sprees. In it's first murder spree, it was summoned by Kira's mother at an internment camp to avenge her american lover, but instead massacres the internment camp, prisoners and gaurds alike, before finally being subdued. In the present, he takes control of the Oni and one of the first things he does is kill Allison. He later leads the Oni on a massacre at the local hospital and police station. In the final showdown, he plans on having Scott kill Stiles, citing it as the only way he can be defeated. And why? For fun. He sees the whole situation as a game.

Also noticed Jennifer Blake hasn't been added to the TV page.

edited 3rd Apr '14 9:46:31 AM by Beast

You don't get past the lock, you take it to the Edit Requests thread when we've reached a consensus. That said, both of those sound promising, but I'm not familiar with the work in question so I'll need more detail and grammar fixes on those before I'll vote either way.

edited 3rd Apr '14 10:02:21 AM by KyleJacobs

Hasn't Claude been discused? I'm pretty sure we said yes to him before. M Also, remind me who Blake is?

Good writeups before, and a yea to Satan

edited 3rd Apr '14 10:44:42 AM by Lightysnake

I'd like to discuss the removal of Tamaki from Deadman Wonderland from the list. On the one hand, Hagire Rinchirou eclipses him in the heinousness department. On the other hand, this is still a character with absolutely no redeeming qualities and no Freudian Excuse who gleefully oversees most of what goes on in the prison. The question in my mind is where, exactly, the bar is set, since there's only one major villain not listed on the page, and his name escapes me at the moment. The rationale for keeping him would be "There's a line, and he's still a bit past it even if the other guy just pole-vaulted over it and is still running full speed."

edited 3rd Apr '14 10:50:20 AM by KyleJacobs

Been ages since I read DMW, but I think the best rationale is that Tamaki is still above literally everyone but Hagiire and is as heinous as he can be, given his relative level of power to the far more powerful guy.

We need rewrites for them anyways. Kyle, think you can help there?

Oh, NOW I recall on Jennifer. We put a hold on her as Season 3 and her story were ongoing, so the answer was "probably, but let's see her plot and/or the season conclude first." Has this changed?

edited 3rd Apr '14 10:43:06 AM by Lightysnake

on Eo D's Satan.

Actually, I've got a couple more removal requests.

Anime & Manga:

• Albert Maverick from Tiger & Bunny. IIRC, he's acting at least partly out of a desire to counter anti-NEXT prejudice among the general public. Given that he himself is a NEXT, how altruistic this is is up for debate. Also, the page itself has this line at the bottom of that entry:
  • Those last two had a Villain Team-Up and managed to out-monster each other - Maverick was clearly disgusted with Rotwang's hate for NEXT. He also has no problem with killing Rotwang once he did his job, right after revealing that he is NEXT himself, just to add insult to the injury.

Video Games:

• Dr. Saleon from Mass Effect, for Offscreen Villainy and minimal screentime.

on Satan.

edited 3rd Apr '14 10:59:29 AM by KyleJacobs

Didn't Tamaki live through that massive earthquake and have his life ruined by it like most of the other characters?

edited 3rd Apr '14 11:08:37 AM by doineedaname

Yeah, but there's a flashback to that earthquake where he essentially steps over his mother, who's pinned under debris, in order to make sure he gets his computer out safely. And no, there wasn't anything of value on it. And that's really not much of an excuse given his list of atrocities.

edited 3rd Apr '14 11:16:09 AM by KyleJacobs

Actually, I have to contest Maverick's removal request. Maverick is working to combat anti-NEXT prejudice for his own benefit. The final few episodes have him basically decide to create robot doubles of the NEXT formerly under his thumb and dispose of them, which shows me he didn't really care about social justice. Given he's willing to eliminate other NEXT and replace them with something more profitable and easy to control...

His hatred of Rotwang's bigotry...well, that's because of his ego. Maverick himself is a NEXT and is just using Rotwang for it. It makes sense why he'd be annoyed the guy is a raving bigot who considers Maverick himself disgusting.

Some backstory for the uninformed: Tiger And Bunny is set 20 Minutes into the Future where some lucky few human beings have superpowers- these are called the NEXT. Albert Maverick is a rich man who's created a media empire by creating Hero TV: where the elite NEXT are superheroes with corporate sponsors and all heroics act as a gameshow: stopping criminals, saving people, etc, earns you points, and at the season's end, the King Of Heroes is declared.

The hero is Kotetsu Kaburagi, or Wild Tiger, the least popular of the heroes, who believes in helping people first and points second. He's assigned a partner named Barnaby Brooks, who he nicknames 'Bunny'. Barnaby is an icy young hero who's fully about the spotlight, but is also looking for his parents' murderer. The series is about their adventures and how they uncover a conspiracy behind everything, that's led by Maverick himself.

Maverick is a murderer, who's also the secret backer/leader of the criminal syndicate Ouroboros. His power is his ability to alter memories (which is shockingly broken here).

Rotwang is a Mad Scientist who creates Ridiculously Human Robot types. He's an utter racist who hates NEXT as well. The two end up teaming up (really Maverick using him) in the finale.

edited 3rd Apr '14 11:30:13 AM by Lightysnake

The trope page for the series claims he did all of that because he wanted to kill the Red Man and avenge the people who died in the earthquake, and he was nothing more than a pawn to entertain Hagiire.

edited 3rd Apr '14 11:58:59 AM by doineedaname

Hi guys. I did a bit of cleanup for Yogscast Minecraft Series as nobody seemed to object. I got rid of Skylord_Vitali and King_Finbar and tidied up both Israphel and Jock_Fireblast's entries. Could I get some feedback, please?

Israphel's old entry

• Israphel. Killed both of Peculier's parents then continues to stalk him and make his life a living hell, orders Jock_Fireblast to burn down Mistral City and BBQ Bay, zombified Granny_Bacon and then tried blowing up the church in which her funeral was taking place, and would happily turn on Minecraftia to spoiler:release the Sand God.

Israphel's new entry

• Israphel started the show as something of a Troll and prankster, but as the series went along he became far darker and much less amusing. Before the show even started, he is revealed via flashback to have murdered Peculier's mother, forcing his father to make a Heroic Sacrifice to seal him away, then continued to stalk him and make his life a living hell, largely by murdering people he was getting to know and driving him paranoid. In the present, he orders Jock_Fireblast to burn down Mistral City and BBQ Bay (which works on the first count and narrowly fails on the second), zombified Granny_Bacon and then tried blowing up the church in which her funeral was taking place, and would happily turn on Minecraftia to release the Sand God. It goes to show that in a series full of strange creatures and Laughably Evil foes, Israphel has set the standard for sheer vileness.

Jock_Fireblast's old entry

• Jock Fireblast, one of Israphel's henchmen, who burns down Mistral City and would have done the same to Barbeque Bay if Simon and Lewis hadn't stopped him. Hell, on that last point he almost succeeded.

And the new one

• Jock Fireblast, one of Israphel's henchmen, is a nasty piece of work who burns down Mistral City, framing Skylord_Lysander for this and nearly getting him killed as a result. He then tried to do the same (and was visibly viewed doing so) to Barbecue Bay, a settlement full of people that thought him their friend, if Simon and Lewis hadn't stopped him. Even then, he almost succeeded.

Thanks.

edited 3rd Apr '14 12:05:56 PM by captainmarkle

In line with spoiler policy, they do need despoilering, but a good effort to start with.

In the One Piece discussion, besides Akainu, I was wondering if there were any thoughts on fixing the Celestial Dragon entry for Charloss to include the other more vile deeds the worst have. Either way, the entry needs...fixing. It doesn't even get his name right.

Someone brought this up before...the possibility of cutting Shiliew of the Rain for issues regarding the heinous standard. Wondering what Corr and Wander thought of that? Shiliew had been added previously, but we haven't really discussed him much.

Okay I am going to try to do a write up for the Maestro:

• The Maestro is a future version of the Incredible Hulk. 90 years in the future after the world is devastated by nuclear war, the Hulk has changed his name to the Maestro and builds a city state called Dystopia out of the wreckage of New Year City. In Dystopia, the Maestro rules as a dictator, taking whatever he wants from his subjects, hoarding almost all the food and resources for himself. When Maestro sees a woman he fancies, he forces her to become his slave. The outside of his palace is littered with corpses of those who have defied or displeased the Maestro. The Maestro has his Secret Police patrol the streets, killing anyone who would oppose him. After the Maestro's forces have captured one of Rick Jones' rebels, the Maestro subjects the rebel to a machine which forcibly scans a person's mind. After the machine puts the rebel in a vegetative state, Maestro kills him with his own hands, because the rebel had insulted him early. When Rick Jones uses Dr. Doom's time machine to bring the Hulk to the future to defeat the Maestro, the Maestro takes one of his slave girl's hostage to force Hulk to surrender to him. Maestro then proceeds to break the Hulk's neck, leaving him paralyzed. Later, the Maestro forces one of his slave girls to perform sexual acts on the paralyzed Hulk, without the Hulk's permission, apparently for his own sick amusement. The Maestro is devoid of anything that made the Hulk sympathetic, he murders an elderly Rick Jones, the man who was once his best friend, for opposing him. The Maestro also tells the Hulk he prefers his harem of slaves to his former wife Betty Ross, because his slaves don't talk back to him or have opinions of their own. The Hulk find the Maestro horrifying and considers him one of the most detestable foes he has had to contend with.

edited 4th Apr '14 10:23:18 AM by TheOverlord