Is this tropeworthy/Chairs?

If the emphasis is meant to be on the evil country's politics, doesn't that start overlapping with Deadly Decadent Court?

Plus, Emperor Palpatine, one of the most famous evil emperors, can certainly hold his own in battle, even if he uses political manipulation to seize power.

Found Cup Holders today via Random Trope. Is this trope just “cup holders exist”, or something more? It seems like the trope is about how cup holders are used to make a car cooler, but I could be wrong.

Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Jun 1st 2023 at 3:52:24 PM

The description says that it's about cup holders being an overhyped feature in cars, so it's less about "cup holders exist" and more about "characters comment on cup holders or it being a distinguishing feature in marketing or something like that". Which makes several of the real life examples a misuse.

There's definitely a comedy trope in there where cupholders are added to just about anything to make them "cooler".

I suspected as such. Thanks for the feedback.

So I brought up a post today in ATT because it seems to continue the author having a single-issue wonk about fat fetishism. However, the more I think about it, the more I'm starting to feel like they did make one valid point at the end: why is Popular with Furries tropeworthy? Why does "works liked by this one niche community" get a specific page when we'd never do that for any other niche community? Especially since in practice it's often fairly meaningless; saying a work set in a World of Funny Animals is Popular with Furries is not exactly telling people anything they didn't already know.

I actually see looking at the unofficial TRS queue that this has already been brought up by other people in regards to Furry Comic and Furry Webcomics, but TBH those seem more tropeworthy (except maybe insofar as there's no need to split them by medium) in that they're at least a self-applied genre description in theory.

Edited by nrjxll on Jun 1st 2023 at 4:13:04 AM

i'm the person who queued up Furry Comic and Furry Webcomics. Not sure if this fully answers your question since clearly I too have questioned the tropeworthiness, but in the TRS meta thread, another user wanted some clarification/took issue with my write up and had this to say re: those two indices. And about Popular with Furries, they argued this:

I think it's trying to cover the idea of "seemingly simple / mundane / superfluous design choice gets overhyped by marketers", but is overly focused on one kind of way that manifests.

Edited by amathieu13 on Jun 1st 2023 at 5:43:32 AM

Wouldn't that be covered by This Is Going to Be Huge, then?

I don't feel "furry" is equivalent to those demographics in importance, either.

I agree with this.

another issue with Popular with Furries is that it has a very broad range, i think. taking this from YMMV.Kirby And The Forgotten Land for example

• Clawroline, the female leopard boss that was briefly shown off for the February 9th, 2022 Nintendo Direct, instantly caught attention from the furry fandom thanks to her very attractive design. She swiftly gained fanart mere minutes after the Direct's conclusion. She only got more popular after the full game revealed that she's an Affably Evil Punch-Clock Villain who's only fighting Kirby to protect Leongar, and she makes a Heel–Face Turn to help save him in the post-game. popular because sexy
• Elfilin also has a few furry fans who were smitten by his adorable design and loyalty to Kirby, even performing a Heroic Sacrifice to close off the connection between Popstar and the New World after Fecto Elfilis' defeat. popular because cute
• The Big Bad, Fecto Elfilis, has a positive reception among furries by virtue of its sleek, brightly colored design, which incorporates the features of lots of different animals. For example, it has a fox's tail, deer-like horns, and a fluffy fur "scarf" around its neck. Some have jokingly compared it to fursonas they've seen elsewhere on the internet. popular because cool
• Even the common Awoofies have their fans, due to their cuddly appearances and frequent engagement in Villains Out Shopping making them immensely huggable. popular because cute

that's a very broad and disparate range of reactions we'd place on entirely separate tropes (Evil Is Sexy, Evil Is Cool, Moe) which are only lumped together because furries like them, and even then likely not the same group of furries. it's a very broad community. i think there might be a similar issue with LGBT Fanbase (again, either it could fit on one of the other reaction tropes or, if it's because of rep or applicability, Watched It for the Representation and Rainbow Lens / Trans Audience Interpretation)

Edited by NoUsername on Jun 1st 2023 at 5:58:26 AM

I don't think LGBT Fanbase have the exact same issues or is comparable to Popular with Furries. For example, sometimes lgbt people are attracted to a work because of relatability (for works without confirmed lgbt characters) or bc the show has (unintentional) messages/themes that can be interpreted as an lgbt theme (not the characters themselves, but the content).

The more the cast consists of one gender or it's the majority the more queer fans they're gonna attract bc of the interactions between the same-sex characters and the shipping.

Of note is that LGBT Fanbase has its own issues—it gets misused for "any work that has LGBT fans" rather than "this work has an especially large LGBT fanbase". Here's a wick check I started a while back and never actually did, if anyone's interested.

that is exactly the point i was making about the other tropes, though — again, those would be either Watched It for the Representation or Rainbow Lens, making it potentially redundant

yeah, that's another part of the issue i was thinking of

I think Popular with Furries has tropeworthy appeal because it effectively describes the various kinds of fandoms that anthro animal characters can develop and why. The fact "furry fandom" is a broad term is why I think it's worth noting — it can manifest in different ways, and most characters that are considered "furry"-appeal characters (like certain Pokemon, for example) will get called out and even ridiculed by other fans.

I don't think that really addresses the basic question of why that analysis is tropeworthy in the first place, though - or more specifically why furries get it but other niche demographics don't.

Because we didn't make pages for other niche demographics yet? If the analysis exists and it's a popular offsite observation to make, I don't see why we can't list it.

I don't know what other fandom demographics would have that combined "attracted to similar aesthetics in different kinds of shows shows for a variety of reasons" appeal, though, at least that haven't been covered yet.

But you can make that argument for any subculture/ fandom: Popular With Steampunks, Popular With Goth Lolis, Popular With Incels, etc. I don't think noting that something appeals to a certain subculture is inherently tropeworthy. The only reason why furries seemingly get this treatment is because they are a Vocal Minority / highly visible minority.

It probably needs a wickcheck for

• An animal character becomes Ensemble Dark Horse.
• An animal character gets a lot of Self-Fanservice.

For what it's worth, I haven't seen any usage for either of those categories.

yeah, most use I've seen is "this work includes World of Funny Animals / World of Mammals / Beast Men / Funny Animal so naturally it attracts furries"

Edited by amathieu13 on Jun 4th 2023 at 4:25:36 AM

No Username, I said, "sometimes lgbt people are attracted to a work because of relatability (for works without confirmed lgbt characters)" that means some works have premises that are comparable to lgbt experiences even tho there aren't any lgbt characters. So, it's not Rainbow Lens (needs a story suspiciously similar to Coming-Out Story), nor Watched It for the Representation bc there's no representation (0 confirmed lgbt characters). So where would such examples go other than under LGBT Fanbase?

Which, like I said, is my main problem with the argument that there's sufficient depth of analysis there to make it tropeworthy. Looking at the page most of the examples just make me go "well, duh."

Robotic Psychopath, says, "A psychopath who's also a robot." What's tropeworthy here?