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Berrenta How sweet it is from Texas Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
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#1: Apr 11th 2020 at 7:09:03 PM

There was a prior discussion for this trope two years ago, but it clocked out.

Was inspired to restart discussion after removing a case of misuse a few weeks ago.

As wicks are bound to change after two years, I will generate a fresh wick check. Due to the amount of wicks, I will be checking not 50, but 55 (square root of 3019 rounded up). Correct uses are (usually) dialog-based, though I did see some correct uses in other formats.

    Wick check ( 55 wicks) 

Avoiding Character sheets if possible to prevent skewed readings. Main/ will be avoided as well.

Key:

  1. "odd one out" = type of misuse which indicates it's simply the oddball
  2. "not in universe" = it's the last item in a list that stands out, but the list isn't stated to be in universe
  3. "correct" = last item in an In-Universe list that stands out; typically spoken in dialog but I will count official written items (like taglines)

Results:

  • Correct: 16.5/55 = 30%
  • Odd one out: 13.5/55 = 25%
  • Not in universe: 20/55 = 36%
  • Other: 5/55 = 9%

I'm thinking a rename is in order, though I can get behind making it IUEO (was suggested in the last discussion). Thoughts?

Edited by Berrenta on Apr 11th 2020 at 10:50:11 AM

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#2: Apr 12th 2020 at 6:11:34 AM

I'm in favor of renaming and making it IUEO.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 12th 2020 at 8:11:51 AM

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Florien The They who said it from statistically, slightly right behind you. Since: Aug, 2019
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#4: Apr 12th 2020 at 11:13:27 AM

[up] It's the supertrope to Bread, Eggs, Milk, Squick.

Also, I'd be in favor of making it IUEO.

Edited by Florien on Apr 12th 2020 at 11:13:57 AM

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#5: Apr 12th 2020 at 1:50:57 PM

In-Universe Examples Only is a great first step; heck, it may be enough.

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#6: Apr 12th 2020 at 3:19:32 PM

Would that put all the subtropes under IUEO as well?

Florien The They who said it from statistically, slightly right behind you. Since: Aug, 2019
The They who said it
#7: Apr 12th 2020 at 5:28:45 PM

I don't think so, but if it would be the case, I'd say decide on a case by case basis. For example, Black Sheep Hit is trivia, and thus cannot be IEUO, but most of the others could be, if they aren't already.

ADrago Since: Dec, 2015
#8: Apr 12th 2020 at 6:04:46 PM

In favor of renaming and making IUEO so it doesn't get misused for any broken trend. I've seen this be used as a synonym for Breaking Old Trends.

Edited by ADrago on Apr 12th 2020 at 9:05:00 AM

TheMountainKing Since: Jul, 2016
#9: Apr 12th 2020 at 11:37:09 PM

If an essential element of the trope is that the strange item be the last one in a list, then several of the sub-tropes would actually just be related tropes.

GastonRabbit Sounds good on paper (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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#10: Apr 13th 2020 at 4:18:05 AM

Re: Black Sheep Hit: I disagree with that being a subtrope, and we may need to look through other tropes in the subtrope list. This trope specifically requires the last item in a list to be the outlier, hence the name; listing Black Sheep Hit as a subtrope (and potentially others) is probably fueling the misconception that The Last Of These Is Not Like The Others is simply about an item in any part of a list being the odd one out.

Edit: I zoned out due to a lack of sleep, and didn't notice that the post right above mine already mentions this (and in a more concise way, to boot). Derp.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 13th 2020 at 6:23:19 AM

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Florien The They who said it from statistically, slightly right behind you. Since: Aug, 2019
The They who said it
#11: Apr 13th 2020 at 11:33:03 AM

[up] Good point. I'll evaluate those today and see which are simply related.

Edit: Well, that didn't take long. From the description, Black Sheep Hit is just related, Noodle Implements is just related, if related in the first place, I'm not sure about the entire Token Index, it probably is merely related however, and Bread, Eggs, Breaded Eggs probably is merely related.

Edited by Florien on Apr 13th 2020 at 11:42:13 AM

Berrenta How sweet it is from Texas Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
How sweet it is
#12: Apr 14th 2020 at 5:07:53 PM

I'll start up a single prop to ensure we have an official tally.

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Berrenta How sweet it is from Texas Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
How sweet it is
#13: Apr 17th 2020 at 2:14:33 PM

One last nudge before I call the crowner tomorrow.

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Berrenta MOD How sweet it is from Texas Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
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#14: Apr 18th 2020 at 5:21:44 AM

Well, looks like it's safe to call in favor of IUEO.

I'll add it to the index and we can get to work.

3031 wicks to check including some redirects which may have promoted some of the misuse.

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Berrenta How sweet it is from Texas Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
How sweet it is
#15: Apr 21st 2020 at 1:11:52 PM

One of the two redirects is done and cut! The other has 221 left.

Overall, 2960 to go.

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Berrenta How sweet it is from Texas Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
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#16: Apr 26th 2020 at 12:11:28 PM

Redirect has 100 left now!

Main trope has 2833.

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Malady (Not-So-Newbie)
#17: Apr 27th 2020 at 6:25:49 AM

What to change Laconic.The Last Of These Is Not Like The Others to?

The last of these just doesn't belong.

And then when done, put a commented note saying it was changed by TRS.


So, this is wrong, right?

Webcomic.League Of Super Redundant Heroes:

Edited by Malady on Apr 27th 2020 at 12:40:55 PM

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Berrenta How sweet it is from Texas Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
How sweet it is
#18: Apr 27th 2020 at 12:27:39 PM

[up] Yeah, the laconic could be tweaked a little.

As for the example, if they were listed in that order in the work, then it could pass. The main problem, though, are the broken links. When in doubt, pull the pothole, I suppose.

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Malady (Not-So-Newbie)
#19: Apr 27th 2020 at 12:39:23 PM

[up] - O_O ... The links were working this morning... O_O

[down] - Well, they weren't working for me either.

Edited by Malady on Apr 27th 2020 at 2:39:38 AM

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Berrenta How sweet it is from Texas Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
How sweet it is
#20: Apr 27th 2020 at 2:34:13 PM

Got home, and they're working now. Weird...

I guess they didn't like the area where I work.

Anyways, now that I properly looked through the links, there are unrelated strips in between each. I'd err at the side of caution and pull the TLOTINLTO pothole.

Edited by Berrenta on Apr 27th 2020 at 4:41:47 AM

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Malady (Not-So-Newbie)
#21: Apr 27th 2020 at 2:41:26 PM

[up] - So, I could replace it with Non Sequitur, as that's the broader Super-Trope, right?

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Berrenta How sweet it is from Texas Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
How sweet it is
Berrenta How sweet it is from Texas Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
How sweet it is
#23: Jul 16th 2020 at 6:32:29 AM

I will see about going through the wicks again, to ensure we cover any newly added wicks.

I'll go through the redirect (has 103 wicks) so it can be cut.

Main page has 2950 total.

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Berrenta How sweet it is from Texas Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
How sweet it is
#24: Jul 17th 2020 at 8:46:55 PM

Redirect down to 50; I'll finish this weekend.

Main has 2904 (I found some valid wicks, so moved them thus, hence why the differences do not match up).

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#25: Jul 18th 2020 at 1:50:24 AM

If it's only the last item that stands out, then the page image is misleading since it's the 3rd item out of 4 that stands out.

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14th Apr '20 5:08:36 PM

Crown Description:

Currently, the trope is intended for lists in dialog. However, it's occasionally used as a pothole magnet when the last item in a list stands out, or if something's simply an odd one out. It was proposed to restrict to in-universe examples.

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