Overshadowed By Controversy Cleanup

Yeah but it also than died down only a few weeks later. And now isn't really talked about. Which give the impression that online places like Twitter and reddit where making the backlash look bigger than reality.

I mean I would say that while the entire Harry Potter franchise isn't overshadowed, Hogwarts Legacy itself is in my opinion. Most of the online discussion was related to JKR's transphobia and not related to the game mechanics/story/etc. (and people who did talk about those stuff mainly did it to criticize the game to claim that the game was mediocre without the controversy) I think the controversy died down less so because it stopped being controversial and more so because people do not really discuss or talk about the game anymore.

I mean, still, where are these discussions taking place? In my trips around the internet people hardly seem that bothered by the game, like they aren't supporting JKR but either they just ignore the game or think it's okay, the controversy doesn't come up. It's easy to look at certain areas of the internet and see their fights and think that these things are a lot more common than they are even though it may actually just be the Vocal Minority.

I have no horse in this race personally but I don't want this to be decided strictly based on anecdotal "in my circles there's controversy" stuff.

As someone who is in circles with a lot of trans people, even they stopped talking about the game after a month except to bring up people who loudly defended themselves streaming it as possibly shitting people, and that's it. It was usually more about them and how they reacted to the game than the game itself.

To me, I do believe it was mostly OBC because of the Pikamee situation. While it was later clarified that the harassment had nothing to do with her graduation, it's still brought up as an example of how rabid the hatedom for Hogwarts Legacy is.

Edited by Siegfried1337 on Aug 6th 2023 at 8:02:36 AM

Er... yeah that's probably only something you think of if you're into streamers like her though.

The way I see it, there are three camps regarding Hogwarts Legacy: those who like the game (including those who disagree with Rowling but separate the art from the artist), those who don't care about it, and those who think supporting Harry Potter in any way means giving money to a bigot who is actively causing harm to people.

I'm not into HP myself, so I can't be sure, but I assume that people who like the game don't really bring up the controversy anymore. People who oppose Harry Potter, meanwhile, still care about the controversy to some extent, but nowadays they don't talk about it unless someone else brings it up first. Basically, anti-Hogwarts Legacy content slowed down dramatically after its release, so nowadays, most of the people who still actively discuss it probably don't really talk about its controversial elements anymore.

But again, I'm not in the fandom at all, and most of my exposure to the game came from people in the third camp I listed, so I don't really know what Hogwarts Legacy fans are up to these days.

Edited by Zuxtron on Aug 6th 2023 at 2:29:26 PM

But I think for OBC we rely on the general public that's aware of the game, not its own fandom.

Yeah, I'd say the controversy actually is known by the general public, to the point where the game's page on The Other Wiki has entire paragraphs discussing it. If the controversy is big enough to make it to the game's Wikipedia page (as opposed to just within fandom circles) then I think it qualifies.

Edited by BocchiTheRock on Aug 7th 2023 at 4:22:48 AM

The thing about Hogwarts Legacy is that there's very little discussion about the controversy because there's no discussion about the game in general, anymore.

Once the dust cleared, it was obvious the game was the same mediocre slop from the usual Triple Ayyyyy mold. All the discussion died down because everyone ran out of things to say very quickly.

So I do think it applies for Overshadowed by Controversy because for as long as the game was in the spotlight (about a month), the controversy was almost all anyone talked about.

Moving into a different subject, I found this particular example on YMMV pages for Hyperdimension Neptunia mk2, and of course, the first one is about the Conquest Ending.

• Overshadowed by Controversy:
  • Talk to fans about this game, chances are the Conquest Ending might be brought up in conversation, and is one of the things Nepgear is often remembered for.
  • If it's not that, it's CFW Trick for being a revolting pedophile that's played for laughs who bumped the rating up to an M.

While the ending had done some irreparable damage to Nepgear's character, I don't it's the only thing most people know about the game. As for the latter example, having one of the antagonists main schtick be of a pedophile would cause ESRB to get into some trouble, but it wouldn't completely overshadow the game considering that said pedophile portrayed in a negative light. Besides, the T-rated Victory has a Dominatrix as the main character and Re;Birth2 includes a scene of Trick licking Ram and Rom, and that game is rated T.

Another example I want to bring up is from another Compile Heart game, Mugen Souls:

• Overshadowed by Controversy: There's more discussion about the censorship in the duology than there is about the actual gameplay.

This happened all the way back in October of 2012, where the game was released by NIS America. Even if wasn't aware of this game I doubt I've seen anyone bring up this subject when talking about Mugen Souls. And considering how long the game has been out for most people within the fandom have largely forgotten about it.

Any thoughts?

Will Overwatch 2 be overshadowed again by the PVE being cancelled, which caused enormous backlash?

As an outsider I only vaguely know about it and it seems stupid, but I think Blizzard as a whole is OBC anyway.

From the Live-Action Film page:

• Back to the Future: It's difficult to talk about the sequels, Back to the Future Part II and Back to the Future Part III, without also talking about how Crispin Glover, who starred as George McFly in the first film, had sued the producers for co-opting his likeness without his approval after he declined to come back for the sequels. The producers recast the role with Jeffrey Weissman, who wore makeup to more closely resemble Glover and was largely kept out of sight, and, more notably, used footage from the first film to show George in 1955. After the suit was settled, the Screen Actors Guild wrote new rules about using stock footage of actors. The case gained greater attention and infamy in 2023, when SAG-AFTRA went on strike in part to protest Hollywood studios wanting to use Artificial Intelligence to scan and own actors' likenesses forever, putting thousands of actors out of work and depriving them of earnings, making Glover's concerns completely justified.

I find it hard to believe that it's "difficult to discuss" both films without mentioning how screwed over Crispin Glover got. I think the general discussion of BTTF II is all about 2015 and flying hoverboards.

Clear cut.

I was today years old when I first heard the name crispin glover, or that there was any lawsuit, didn't even realize they swapped actors and I watched the trilogy back to back. Definitely cut

Yeah, never heard of this.

I know both Crispin Glover and the lawsuit over him getting Shemp'd but it definitely does not overshadow the films. If anything it's a footnote in film history.

I only heard about this like a week ago. I think the vast majority of people who watch both have either not heard of it or don't care about it over discussing both films. Cut it.

Edited by miraculous on Aug 7th 2023 at 9:59:43 AM

Yeah I would say that the Glover example is a weird case where the media itself isn't overshadowed by controversy, but the controversy itself is more important than the media (while BTTF 2 is a fondly remembered movie, this controversy affected every movie with SAG actors made after it, so it's more notable in that regard). The Neptunia one also, most of the general public has never even heard of that series much less any controversy of it, it has niche appeal.

Feel it might be better to just add this under trivia in general.

Decided to look through a few entries to ask for consensuses on them.

Edited by SkylaNoivern on Aug 9th 2023 at 9:13:59 AM

I'm gonna go through all of your list one by one:

• Kim Petras: I don't think she qualifies as while the Dr Luke thing was defiently a controversy, she is still a successful and popular artist, the controversy did not affect her career in a major way.

• Mariotehplumber: Since he's a troll he's not overshadowed by controversy, he is just naturally controversial.

• Kayla Itsines: I also tried to look for any mention of her and Trump, and I also couldn't find anything. Considering she was already popular before Trump ran for office in 2016 that theory doesn't even make sense.

• Max Karson: He has the best case of staying, as while he is primary known for that review, honestly I feel like that review was purposefully offensive (like if he was doing a serious review he would not call the girls sexy). Also, he has had many controversies before, not just a single one.

Repost since no one replied to my suggestion

Can I have a bit more context there? All I'm seeing is "has an Earn Your Bad Ending ending," which I'm not getting how it's controversial in and of itself.