Is this an example?

I know the episode. But what you said isn't Wham Episode. If it's anything at all it's Shocking Moments.

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So the "lines" in Crosses the Line Twice don't have to be "offensive" then? I don't know too many other examples that aren't based on that or being meanspirited.

Edited by ShinyCottonCandy on Oct 8th 2021 at 12:31:15 PM

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It's just for things that would normally be horrific, but are so over the top they become funny. In fact, the description doesn't talk about offensiveness, it talks about things like gore or an over-the-top action sequence.

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Wham Episode has to change the narrative going forward. This is, I believe, a reality show with no real ongoing narrative. Seconding Shocking Moments for the Wham Episode example.

Edited by mightymewtron on Oct 8th 2021 at 1:46:16 PM

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.

Ok so, I'll remove Signature Scene for ZCE and will change Wham Episode to Shocking Moments and moved it to YMMV page. Do you agree with me?

“What is that? It's The Unknown!”

In the character page for Kung Fu Panda 3, under General Kai's entry, there are tropes such as Fighter, Mage, Thief or Freudian Trio, which contrasts Kai with the villains of the previous movies, Tai Lung and Shen.

I have a bit of problem with that, since those three absolutely never met. Can a character have trio tropes as characterization with previous villains without ever interacting with them?

I think those ensemble tropes require the characters to be an ensemble, so I'd say no

Reposting this because it got buried in the Wham discussion

This is a little weird but: One of the performers in The Mechanisms wrote a story about the characters. It's published to AO 3, which is a fanfiction website, but the ANs point out it's technically not fanfic, and the fandom generally accepts it as canon. Is this an example of Loose Canon?

Absolute destiny... apeachalypse?

Contrasting Sequel Antagonist covers the "contrasts Kai with the villains of the previous movies" part. Any info that isn't already covered under that trope's entry can be moved there.

From YMMV.Spider Man 1:

• Ham and Cheese: With a stupid-looking, limiting costume, (at least for some) the best thing Willem Dafoe could possibly do as the Green Goblin is go completely over the top. It worked. Likewise it helped that Dafoe plays Norman as a staid, calm, and jaded middle-aged man, which underscores how drastic and scary the Goblin persona is.

The description for Ham and Cheese states that it applies for poorly-received media. Since the first Spider-Man is generally considered to be a good film, does it really count?

Edited by JRads47 on Oct 9th 2021 at 5:17:59 AM

Maybe Narm Charm instead?

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."

Someone recently added a Greater-Scope Villain entry to Harry Potter and the Nightmares of Futures Past, referencing the original version of Voldemort, whose rampage prompted Harry to go back in time, thus the plot.

However, since that original Voldemort no longer exists in the new timeline, I wouldn't have called him a proper example of Greater Scope Villain. My impression is that a Greater Scope Villain is supposed to be an ongoing (albeit background) threat, who is on some level responsible for the actions of the current villain(s).

Anyone's thoughts?

Edited by ThrawnCA on Oct 9th 2021 at 7:52:52 PM

There's an entry on Romance on the Set where the couple is already in a relationship before playing as love interest in the work they appear on. Should this be cut, or have they worked together before 2009 that could be used as an example instead?

Entry in question:

• Takuma Terashima married Satomi Sato in 2017. Their best-known project cast together is The Irregular at Magic High School as Leohart Saijo and Mizuki Shibata, although it should be noted that their relationship had already started in 2009, five years before that anime debuted in 2014.

Reposting from the previous pages so it won't get lost.

This was removed from Characters.RWBY Adam Taurus:

• The Starscream: The scroll Sun and Blake manage to retrieve from Ilia reveals that Adam is planning a coup against the current White Fang leader Sienna Khan. In "Dread in the Air", he carries out said coup and murders Sienna by running her through with Wilt.

Is this a valid example of The Starscream or would a different trope apply here?

He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.

The justification for removing the Starscream entry seems to have missed the point; in keeping with the warning, the entry did involve an underling wanting the top job. And since the trope description specifically mentions that heroes don't usually have this problem (but implicitly they could in unusual circumstances), it clearly isn't limited to any specific organization.

It looks to me like the entry was perfectly valid.

Unless being on set changed something significant about their relationship, it probably isn't an example.

Edited by ThrawnCA on Oct 10th 2021 at 6:04:10 PM

S19 E4 of Guys Grocery games should be added to Harsher in Hindsight.

Seeing Guy just delight in the misery of Caral is not funny now that he's passed.

If you think it's an example you can add it yourself, because we don't all know what you're talking about. But your description sounds like common misuse where almost any description of an actor is treated as Harsher in Hindsight after they died.

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Okay, I'm the person who removed the Adam Taurus entry, but no-one mentioned that it had been brought up for discussion until after re-adding the entry to the page; to be honest, I think that's a bit underhand.

Anyway, the problem with Adam's example (which I didn't clarify in my edit reason, so I do think it's fair to question what I said) is two-fold.

The first is the villainous status of the person he's trying to kill: the trope itself focusses on the Big Bad, but more generally states that the target is a villain who is feared and hated in the story by the heroes and others, even if the heroes decide they have to try and save the target from The Starscream. Sienna isn't a villain in the show — technically, she's not even an antagonist, because her story role is so limited and is never to oppose the protagonists. Her predecessor (Ghira, founder of the White Fang and father of one of the main heroes, Blake) states that he and Sienna have the same goal and vision for the future of the Faunus (equality). All they disagree about is how to achieve that goal (he's a pacifist, she feels violence is sometimes necessary). Blake, herself, supported Sienna over her father, and only left the White Fang because she realised how villainous Adam was becoming. Sienna is, within the setting, respected by the Faunus — even those who don't condone violence respect her. She's not regarded as a villain, not even by the show's Faunus heroes.

The second is killer's motives: Adam doesn't hate or fear or resent her, which The Starscream trope states is an important factor in deciding whether an underling seeking to replace their boss is really The Starscream or a different trope. He actually has respect for Sienna, just like everyone else does. However, the problem is that his vision of the future and his goal for the Faunus is completely incompatible with the goal everyone else has (Sienna, Ghira, Blake, etc.), and he will turn on anyone, even people he likes, if they stand in the way of him achieving his goal. He wants Faunus supremacy. And when he decides that it can only be achieved if he leads the way to it, he decides he's going to have to take over the whole of the White Fang by killing Sienna, who does not support his goal and who stands in the way of him achieving it.

The Starscream trope states the following: "Compare and contrast Dragon with an Agenda, who has different goals from the Big Bad but is at least nominally loyal and generally won't turn on the Big Bad unless said goals are threatened." That's exactly what happens with Adam. He only turns on Sienna once he realises she's stopping him from achieving his goals. The scene where we see him kill Sienna consists of him giving her one last chance to see things his way. When she's not even slightly swayed, he triggers the coup and kills her. It's clear in that scene that his problem with Sienna isn't that he hates her or fears her or dislikes her in any fashion except for the fact that she's stopping him from achieving his goals.

He is a Dragon with an Agenda who came to the conclusion that the only way his agenda will ever be achievable is if he removes Sienna, who is the one person who has the power to stop him achieving his goal.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Oct 10th 2021 at 2:59:26 PM

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.

In Alice Is Dead is lockpicking with a sharpened bone an example of Bad with the Bone? I kind of doubt it. That's not using it as a weapon.

Humankind is like a train. No matter how powerful the locomotive is, it can only travel as fast as its slowest car allows it to.

Reposting, since I didn't get any replies.

From The Extremist Was Right:

• In Dragon Age II, supporting material seems to lean into the direction that escalating the conflict between the Mages and the Templars into a full rebellion was ultimately the right thing to do, as the status quo only kept weakening the mages' position. There was a lot of collateral damage, but depending on the actions of the next player character, mages can undergo a near-180 in public perception. Particularly notable is flavor text revealing that Meredith was not the first Knight-Commander to misuse the Right of Annulment; the events of the Annulment of the Antiva City Circle twenty-five years after the Right first became available paints a grim picture of what likely would have happened to the Gallows if Anders hadn't intervened.

I'm a bit concerned about it in general, because it relies a lot on player perception and it seems to be used as a Audience Reaction, because there's hardly anything in-universe that is justifying the actions taken. The trope itself says the people whom everyone thought were completely right and in-universe it's noted that many, including mages, denounce this character's actions. The supporting material (i.e. comics and supplementary novels) also have that the character is dead, because some events that occur do not occur in a universe where they live.

Overall, this seems more like someone trying to convince others that the actions were right, when they moreso fall under Your Terrorists Are Our Freedom Fighters (already listed under). Thoughts?

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Do you think we should bring this up on the TDID thread if it's necessary?

Edited by gjjones on Oct 10th 2021 at 10:53:01 AM

He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.

I don't know. At the moment, I think the question is whether my interpretation of The Starscream's current write-up is valid or not. If it's not, then it's just me, and that's easy to solve. If it is, then your question is the next one to ask.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Oct 10th 2021 at 4:31:52 PM

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.

I see. Just wondering.

He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.

When Riley tries to talk to Lucas, no voice comes out. Still behind him, she sniffs him. Is it an example of Perverted Sniffing? What about Stalking Is Funny If Its Female After Male?

What work is this?

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This is from Final Fantasy XIV - Disciples of Magic about the character X'rhun Tia. I'm not super familiar with Final Fantasy XIV, and it looks like some context might be missing from this example, but even if that's not the case, appearing in a trailer doesn't count as an Early-Bird Cameo, right?

• Early-Bird Cameo: He first appears as in the Red Mage job reveal trailer, 6 months before Stormblood was even released.

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