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- Make sure that the example makes sense to both people who don't know the work AND don't know the trope.
- Wrong: The Mentor: Kevin is this to Bob in the first episode.
- Right: The Mentor: Kevin takes Bob under his wing in the first episode and teaches him the ropes of being a were-chinchilla.
- Never just put the trope title and leave it at that.
- Wrong: Badass Adorable
- Right: Badass Adorable: Xavier, the group's cute little mascot, defeats three raging elephants with both hands tied behind his back using only an uncooked spaghetti noodle.
- When is normally far less important than How.
- A character name is not an explanation.
- Wrong: Full Moon Silhouette: Diana
- Right: Full Moon Silhouette: At the end of her transformation sequence into Moon Princess Misty, Diana is shown flying across the full moon riding a rutabaga.
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Edited by Synchronicity on Sep 18th 2023 at 11:42:55 AM
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I honestly dont see the Snap examples being those tropes in the long run.
So how should we handle Snap death tropes?
Edited by Albert3105 on Nov 27th 2019 at 1:17:14 PM
Can Administrivia be a trope?
- Administrivia.Tropes Are Tools: [[invoked]] Referenced verbatim by Henry, as the tropes of fairy tales are what help her and her team identify when a Story is starting to take place.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
No...that sounds like Genre Savvy anyway.
- Esoteric Happy Ending: Bart takes the fall for the theft of the Teacher's Editions textbooks, preventing Lisa from ruining her life. Except this happens after Bart begins cleaning up his act after realizing he has both the aptitude and interest to be a law enforcer, which means his life has now been ruined all because of Lisa.
I question this entry because, would it have been a better ending if he just let Lisa ruin her life rather than taking the fall and restoring the status quo? Also, it was his choice to take the fall, not Lisa.
Edited by PlasmaPower on Nov 28th 2019 at 4:24:58 PM
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Can Canon Welding be use for the upcoming Crisis on Infinite Earth for the Arrowverse since they are featuring characters from past DC works?
Edited by WhirlRX on Nov 28th 2019 at 5:13:56 AM
Are they featuring the same characters from past DC works? Are Arrowverse characters appearing in Crisis or vice versa?
Are the continuities being explicitly linked? That seems more important than just using similar characters.
- Also, while Marge is training at the shooting range, she shoots all of the threatening targets, only for Chief Wiggum to chide her for missing the other, innocuous targets (a woman with a baby and a blind man with a seeing-eye dog.) Given the increasingly uncomfortable/controversial incidents of Police Brutality throughout the years, especially against unarmed citizens, makes Wiggum's comment look worse.
I found this example under an episode’s Harsher in Hindsight example, but I question this because Police Brutality was always a thing that existed, not to mention it was making a general example like this.
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Lord of the Blue Star
I never got a response to my inquiry: here
Seems like troping real people, but not sure if they're not just personas.
- Bunny-Ears Lawyer: The list of fortress overseers has included a stereotypical DnD nerd who was kicked out of his mom's house and a university student expelled for smoking pot one time too many. Somewhat unexpectedly, neither of them managed to destroy the fortress.
I'm helping!
These were personas, yes.
Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.
Musician/Composer
I would like to add a potential example to VideoGame.Shin Sakura Wars:
- Casting Gag: Hatsuho Shinonome, voiced by Maaya Uchida, notes that in her special attack video, bad guys will get divine punishment given her status as a shrine maiden. This is not the first time Uchida's played a heroine who exorcised demons before, as she previously played exorcist-turned-angel Irina Shido in High School Dx D.
Thoughts?
Edited by gjjones on Nov 30th 2019 at 1:58:04 PM
He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.
I dont see it as that strong pf an example.
I got TheReasonYouSuckSpeech.The Mysterious Mr Enter cut, should anything else from the Web Original section of "The Reason You Suck" Speech that has its own page be cut too?
Edited by PlasmaPower on Nov 30th 2019 at 6:34:08 AM
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Short-Term Projects herald
If they consist of the same stuff as that page did, then remove it from the trope subpage, the work's page, and any work-specific subpages.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
From YMMV.Chop Socky Chooks:
- So Okay, It's Average: The series is severely thrashed by some viewers for coming off as racist (especially since the show's title sounds racist to those unfamiliar with its meaning), but it is actually a pretty decent and enjoyable Affectionate Parody of low-budget Hong Kong martial arts exploitation movies.
I really don't think this fits the trope. Since the person who added it also gave a positive review, this comes off as gushing more than anything.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
It might actually better fit Critical Backlash better, if the entry was slightly rewritten to be more neutral.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
I don't know, that requires viewers and critics to be at odds, not just "some viewers" and "some other viewers".
she/her
I've looked at the rest of TheReasonYouSuckSpeech.Web Original, including the subpages, and here's what I've found. In general, I think the whole "reviewer lays into characters/writers/shows they hate" thing can be cut for being complaining by proxy (because I bet every such "example" was added by someone who agrees with it) in addition to misuse.
- Main web original page:
- The DBZ Abridged folder is fine.
- In the Nostalgia Critic folder, the examples from Kickassia and his review of A Christmas Story 2 are fine. The one from his Cat in the Hat review is questionable, as he's delivering the speech to a character who is a strawman version of the film's writers; I don't know what to do with this one. Everything else can go.
- The "commentary community" folder is filled with debatable examples; everything in here is YouTubers delivering such speeches to other YouTubers, who may or may not see them. But either way, I think the folder deserves the guillotine for being drama importation.
- The other folder is a mixed bag. Most of the examples are bad (including one instance of a forum user chewing out another forum user, which I feel is in the same boat as the "commentary community" examples above), but some of them are fine. I'll do a more detailed analysis later.
- TheReasonYouSuckSpeech.Atop The Fourth Wall has three examples that are salvageable. The entries in the Teen Titans Annual #1 and Hellraiser III: Hell on Earth folders are characters on the review show chewing out other characters (at least I think so, I've never seen the show), and the speech under Ultimates 3 #5 is aimed at the show's audience, which the main page says is acceptable. But everything else needs a good old-fashioned chainsawing. And I'm pretty sure the requirement for a specific work to have a subpage for examples of a specific trope is seven examples, so the page can be cut anyway and its examples moved.
- TheReasonYouSuckSpeech.History Of Power Rangers is a garbage fire.
- TheReasonYouSuckSpeech.SF Debris is a toxic waste dump.
I would take the axe to these "examples" myself, but I'd like a second opinion first.
Edited by Serac on Nov 30th 2019 at 12:11:50 PM
If someone were to be called a slur, and that person started using the slur to positively refer to themself, would that be Insult Backfire?
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I think it'd only count if the insultee took it immediately and never showed they were offended. Are you sure Appropriated Appellation doesn't fit better?
Musician/Composer
From Recap.RWBYV 7 E 5 Sparks:
- The Bus Came Back: This is the first appearance of Team FNKI since Volume 3.
Does this count as a valid example?
Edited by gjjones on Dec 1st 2019 at 6:56:14 AM
He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.
That's what I was looking for! Thank you.
Misuse.
I thought sharks were my friends.
I went to add an example of Kick the Dog to Characters.The Sopranos Di Meo Crime Family for Vito, but then I found this.
- Jerkass Woobie: Despite his sympathetic position, he's still a mobster and a killer. In fact, after he leaves New Hampshire, he rear-ends a guy and then decides to murder him instead of paying for the damages.
Now, I already know this should be cut as it's YMMV only, but it got me thinking about the Kick the Dog example I was gonna add, as it's actually related to the same incident.
For context, Vito was a capo of the crime family, but he went into hiding after they discovered he was gay. In the scene, he's currently on the run, but he ends up accidentally crashing into another man's car. Not wanting the police to get involved as he's afraid of the mafia getting wind of his location, Vito insists on paying for the damages out of pocket, but the man insists on filing a police report because he doesn't want to take the chance of Vito calling his insurance agency and screwing him over. Vito then shoots the man in cold blood and drives off.
Can this actually count as Kick the Dog? On the one hand, he murdered a man without hesitation, but on the other, he did it out of desperation because he didn't want the crime family to find and murder him. Here's the scene in question.
Either way, I'll definitely delete the Jerkass Woobie entry afterwards.
RIP KissAnime.
How do we handle the Dropped a Bridge on Him entries for the Ant-Man characters disintegrated by the Snap at the end of Ant-Man and the Wasp, since Avengers: Endgame changes the circumstance into Put on a Bus and The Bus Came Back, especially Janet who has a Shoot the Shaggy Dog entry despite the death not being permanent enough to neuter any more potential activities Janet may do later.
Edited by Albert3105 on Nov 27th 2019 at 12:43:40 PM