Is this an example?

Tracking Spell and Tracking Device... Apprently Magical vs Technological, respectively...

I used the latter for an item with a tracking spell embedded in it... I assume a spell is the other way around, leading someone somewhere, like a compass, unlike the broadcasting model of Device...

But should I change it?

Do these count as "The Reason You Suck" Speech?

• During a review, a reviewer rants about a character in the work they're reviewing, using second-person pronouns to address the character.
• The same as above, but referring to them in the third person.
• A reviewer ranting about a work, regardless of the 2nd/3rd person pronoun use.

No, it's a trope for a character telling another character they suck. A reviewer is not a character.

So that means all three bullet points don't count?

Right.

Yeah, the only case I could see for a reviewer counting for the trope is when they're giving a TRYSP to someone they know, or maybe if they're acting as the character giving the speech to another character. But a reviewer criticizing a character doesn't fit.

Anyone wanna scrub through the following pages to determine misuse, then?

• Web Original
  • Atop The Fourth Wall
    • History Of Power Rangers
  • The Mysterious Mr Enter

I haven't looked at the other pages yet, but the Mr. Enter page seems to consist of nothing but him targeting the characters and the writers of the cartoons he reviews. I think we can safely cut that page.

Edited by Serac on Nov 24th 2019 at 1:48:12 PM

I removed Badass Adorable from Ed's folder on Characters.Cowboy Bebop since another trope in her folder says she's not a fighter.

In VideoGame.The Haunted Ruins, after the credits, there's a list of all the monsters with accompanying descriptions.

I called that Flavor Text, but that's not right, is it?

That's Enemy Roll Call.

Not to mention it comes off as complaining.

From Telltale Games

Harsherin Hindsight: When their Jurassic Park game came about, it was chided for being "Heavy Rain with Dinosaurs" though it was an attempt at Telltale to change up their formula and have the player be more involved in the gameplay. Past the first "The Walking Dead" game, the formula they used in that one was reused constantly with little tweaks in between, slowly becoming stale. Now most show a bit more appreciation to Jurassic Park cause at least it did try to be more different and wished Telltale would've compromised what was used in that game with newer mechanics going forward.

Executive Meddling: With the shutdown of Telltale, many former employees have gone out to reveal numerous problems behind the scenes, including some creators not being paid for overtime. And then there's the fact that the entire team was essentially kicked to the street without even severance pay, which has prompted a developer to file a class-action lawsuit just three days afterwards.

I have my doubts that these fit the items here.

Edited by PlasmaPower on Nov 25th 2019 at 11:09:39 AM

Those both look shoehornier than a foot fetishist to me. The first one just rambles around and never gets around to making any particular point about anything. The second doesn't describe executives meddling around with a creative work, just being jerks and screwing over their workers financially. Complaining About Executives You Dont Like.

Cut'em both.

Madeline from Celeste is listed under Ambiguous Gender Identity because the DLC hints that she's trans — but as far as I'm aware, it's not her identity that's ambiguous (she is definitely a woman, whether trans or not), and I'm pretty sure that's a misuse. Confirm/deny?

As I understand the trope, it's for situations when the character's trans-ness is ambiguous. If I have that right, them the example would be valid.

Really? Because I feel like "is this woman trans or cis" is a completely different type of ambiguity from "is this dress-wearing AMAB a trans woman or a crossdresser", and if it isn't a different trope, it should be.

(Actually, I half suspect this isn't "ambiguous" so much as "there are people who will insist it's not confirmed as long as it's not said in exactly the words 'hello yes I am trans'", but I haven't actually seen this bit myself yet so I can't exactly make edits based on that assumption.)

YMMV.The Simpsons S 9 E 10 Miracle On Evergreen Terrace:

• Harsher in Hindsight: The town, outraged over apparently being scammed, treat the family cruelly until they pay them double their money back ($30,000 against the original $15,000 plus $5,200), and when the family cannot do it, they resort to theft. Nine years later, "The Boys of Bummer" would feature another storyline of the citizens of Springfield taking something (in this case, a baseball game) seriously, only that episode showed them bullying Bart to suicide for losing the game.
  • This (as well as the aforementioned other episode) would also come off as bad knowing what Jake Lloyd went through.

I feel like these instances have nothing to do with what happened in the episode except that they're mean-spirited.

Also, there really needs to be a cleanup thread for Harsher in Hindsight / "Funny Aneurysm" Moment

Edited by PlasmaPower on Nov 26th 2019 at 4:03:51 PM

What does Jake Lloyd have to do with The Simpsons? Also, he has a creator page now, so potholing his name to The Phantom Menace is a sinkhole.

Kinda asked a question over at ATT however I might as well as ask this also here.

Troper pikachu17 removed this from Hazbin Hotel

with the reason "If not all gays are promiscuous is not something the show has happen in any way, then why is this listed? A single character being gay and promiscuous, while other characters are gay and not, is not enough for this trope."

They also removed this from All Gays are Promiscuous

with the reason "This isn't a character trope. If any gay character is not promiscuous, and the trope is not conversed/lampshaded in any way, then it doesn't really fit the trope."

This is where I'm kinda confused.

Based on several examples on the All Gays are Promiscuous page, its laconic, and its playing with page, it seems all that's needed to qualify for this trope is simply a gay character being promiscuous.

Furthermore, there are a few entries such as the Orange Is the New Black, Game of Thrones, and Glee ones in the Live Action TV folder which have both promiscuous and non-promiscuous gay characters however they are presented as playing the trope in the same manner as the examples that Troper pikachu17 took out.

So does All Gays are Promiscuous simply refer to a gay character being promiscuous and therefore the examples Troper pikachu17 took out actually fit, or does it refer to literally all gay characters in a work being promiscuous?

~Plasma Power

We do, at least, have a clean up thread for "Funny Aneurysm" Moment: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=14539293080A57197000

No one's gotten around to the other in Hindsight tropes that I know of.

Edited by sgamer82 on Nov 26th 2019 at 7:55:13 AM

Should Genre-Killer have the same time limit or confirmation requirement as Franchise Killer? This seems was written as a knee-jerk reaction to Olafs Frozen Adventure (which only came out 2 years ago along with Coco.)

• Disney's theatrical short subject development came to a screeching halt following the massive failure of Olaf's Frozen Adventure, which Disney controversially attached to initial screenings of Coco, being mostly reviled by its half-hour length, to the point exhibitors pulled the featurette after continued protests at showings (Disney then retired it, with the face-saving excuse that it was planned to run only until the special aired on TV). It got so bad that even Pixar, which had played shorts before all of its movies since A Bug's Life, stopped doing it after Bao (shown before Incredibles 2).

Edited by PlasmaPower on Nov 26th 2019 at 3:27:09 PM

I think a genre-killing can be determined faster than a franchise-killing, but there should definitely be some waiting period.

From Sequelitis.Disney

• The feature-length sequel, Frozen 2 , also hasn’t been as warmly received as the first film. Reviews have praised its ambition, willingness to tackle more mature themes, art, performances, and music. However it’s been criticized for being a bit needlessly dark, having a convoluted plot, some questionable character decisions, and aping plot points from Avatar: The Last Airbender and its Sequel Series The Legend of Korra . Essentially people are appreciative of the creative team trying to do something bigger and different but feel like it’s just not as well executed.

The first movie has 90% on Rotten Tomatoes, the sequel currently has 75%. Now the sequel only came out last week, but if we look at audience scores too, it's 85% for the first movie and 93% so far for the second.

Yeah, cut. The comparison to ATLA/Korra isn't helping.

Edited by TroperNo9001 on Nov 27th 2019 at 2:23:50 AM

If anything, this seems like a Contested Sequel at worse.