Is this an example?

Averted is only supposed to be used for Omnipresent Tropes, so the first one has to go. Defied means the character recognizes that the trope is about to occur, and takes steps to prevent it. That doesn't seem to be what the third example is describing, so I think it has to go as well.

I'm torn about the middle example. Somehow, I don't think "inverted" means God On His Throne. I suspect one of the many tropes from God Tropes would be a better fit. Possibly The Gods Must Be Lazy. But you might want a second opinion on that.

Agreed on that inverted example. The Big Good lazing around and not doing his job is not an inversion of Orcus on His Throne.

How long can it take between the time a character gives up on something to happen and the time the something happens and it still be a straight example of "gave up too soon"? Or is there no time limit? Aside time limits, how close to their goal must a character come before giving up so it'll be an example?

There's no absolute time limit. What matters is how the story treats it.

The Big Good lazing around may be an example of Villains Act, Heroes React, perhaps.

Reposting from the previous page, so it doesn't get lost:

Could someone take a look at the following examples from Shadowhunters to see if they're being used correctly or have enough context:

• Action Fashionista: Quite a few of the nephilim, thanks to their leather fetish fighting outfits. The downworlders join in with Magnus and his love of eyeliner, and Raphael, who complains when Simon scuffs his quilted leather jacket during a fight.
• Adaptational Modesty: Inverted. Isabelle's outfit in Pandemonium was rather conservative in the book. In the TV show it's much skimpier, and she even does a sexy dance to distract the demons.
• Cast Full of Pretty Boys: The show might have one the prettiest casts on network television. Jace, Simon, Alec, Meliorn, Luke, Raphael, Magnus....
• Luke, I Am Your Father: Clary tries to invoke this with Luke while he's telling her about his past in "Of Men And Angels". He gives her a long look and reminds her that while he and Jocelyn were in love while she was still married to Valentine, they would have known if he was her father.

Two of these seem questionable to me, not knowing anything about the series:

• Action Fashionista: I'd expect some description of outfit changes.
• Cast Full of Pretty Boys: Absolutely no description of what makes these "pretty boys".

Regarding Revolvers Are Just Better, does it have to be revolver pistols, or can it include any weapon that has revolver style chambers?

edited 1st Jan '17 9:54:46 PM by Eagal

So what about the Adaptational Modesty and Luke, I Am Your Father examples?

It can be any weapon with revolving chamber.

And for Defictionalization, does LBX model kits count as an example? The LBX model kits released by Bandai are all in 1:1 scale (thanks to being tiny robots to begin with), complete with fully interchangeable parts for customization and the cardboard arena diorama seen in both the game and the anime. The Riding Saucer even has remote controlled gimmick which they actually move.

edited 3rd Jan '17 9:42:34 AM by Mhazard

I don't think so, unless they're actual robots. Toys based on shows is simply The Merch—even if they happen to be 1:1 scale.

Is Affirmative-Action Legacy also an example of Race Lift?

The race of the originating character isn't actually changed, but a second character whose race is different uses the same title.

No. Race Lift is changing the race of the same character, in an adaptation or other derivative work (e.g. the casting of a live-action adaptation of an animated property). An Affirmative-Action Legacy character is a new character within the same continuity who assumes the costumed identity of an older character of a different race. Two related but different concepts.

edited 4th Jan '17 2:37:43 PM by HighCrate

Is this an example of Verbal Tic?

• Verbal Tic: Matt has a few:
  • Regarding locations, Matthew does have a tendency to say the word "proper."
  • His description of something's body as their "physical form" crops up at least once an episode.
  • "He/She/They/You shrug(s) it off!" (usually after rolling successful Wisdom saves).

While he does use these words and phrases, they're just his way of describing things when the situation calls for it. Granted he does use "proper" a lot (e.g. "When you enter the keep proper..."), but is someone simply having a preference for certain words and phrases an example of them having a Verbal Tic, even if they're not that weird or obscure?

I find the trope confusing and maybe a bit too broad.

He also likes the word "ascertain".

Anyway, I don't think using certain words more frequently count as verbal tics. Those happen much more frequently. As in, they rarely say more than a few sentences without those. Even for another Matt wouldn't count "context" as a Verbal Tic.

So, it's been 5 days since my original post ( x10), is there any chance I could get a response regarding the Adaptational Modesty and Luke, I Am Your Father examples?

~Anddrix:

• Action Fashionista does not sound like an example. The trope requires that the character have a large fighting wardrobe that they change nearly every time they appear, so that they rarely fight in the same clothes twice.
• Adaptational Modesty: Looking at the trope page, it already lists inverted tropes such as Adaptational Curves and Hotter and Sexier. Per our rule on choosing the most specific trope for a given example, if an inversion has its own trope, use that.
• Cast Full of Pretty Boys: As written, it's a Zero Context Example, not to mention a chained Sinkhole.
• Luke, I Am Your Father: "Attempted invocation" sounds a bit weasel-wordy, but as written, the example seems to fit. The character claims to be someone's father for shock/drama despite that being a blatant lie.

edited 6th Jan '17 6:28:26 AM by Fighteer

Lettered Sequel is when a follow-up to a work isn't identified by a number but by a letter. But if the first installment has a letter in its name as well, would the sequels count as examples too? I want to be sure before adding Saber Marionette J (whose follow-ups are J Again, R, J to X and Z).

Are the letters part of the sequel numbering or do they serve an unrelated purpose?

The letters are the initials of the places where the main characters are located (J stands for Japaness which is based on Japan, R is for Romana which is based on Romania, X means Xian which is based on China, and Z is the oddball as it's the initial of a new starring character, Zero). The first series (J) is followed up directly by J Again and then J to X, whereas R and Z are distant sequels.

edited 6th Jan '17 8:53:15 AM by MyFinalEdits

Eh. It fits the spirit, I think.

For the entry on Yandere High School, is the And I Must Scream trope fitting at all?

edited 6th Jan '17 9:15:46 AM by kataangluvr

How do I use the Yandere trope for Missy and Evelyn on the character page? I also need help on Yuki's entry for Yandere High.

Are these appropriate or they still ZCE? Please tell me what I need to do to correct them.

Missy: She's head-over-heels in love with Ned, but she's jealous of Suzie and is willing to hurt whoever comes between her and Ned.

Evelyn: When she has the chance, she can be sweet towards Cookie. However, if she sees him with other girls or if her affections are challenged, she will go berserk.

Yuki: The reason Salex is dead was because Yuki wanted to be with Taurtis. She almost had it, too... that is, if Taurtis didn't get together with Chan Yandere.

edited 6th Jan '17 1:26:37 PM by kataangluvr

Does this Critical Role (which is a live-streamed D&D campaign) entry qualify as a Bizarro Episode?

• Bizarro Episode: Episode 26, Consequences and Cows. It comes right after the Wham Episode of the first encounter with the Briarwoods and several party members going He Who Fights Monsters against them, and while the first half directly continues on from this (the "consequences" part), the second has Vox Machina go on an Irrelevant Sidequest to hunt down a cattle-stealing Roc, and their plan to attract it is... to turn themselves into cows. This results in the mental image of a bunch of cows grabbing onto the back of a Roc, and the episode ends with Matt's planned boss fight solved by diplomacy. Several of the players, as well as Matt himself, have gone on record saying it's one of the weirdest things they've ever seen happen in any D&D game.

For context, it does fit nicely into continuity, has a weird thing happen (thanks to player decisions) but which makes sense in context (so not a BLAM) and isn't out of place for the world they live in (where much weirder things have happened), has events that are mentioned again, and doesn't have anyone acting out of character. It's also the first time someone who urns out to be a major NPC appears on the stream. Really, the only reason the person added this is because at one point in the episode one of the players disguises the party as cows.

edited 7th Jan '17 4:23:28 AM by supergod

It's a little more extreme than their usual, but not a lot, and it's not fundamentally different. They come up with crazy stuff all the time.