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Edited by Synchronicity on Sep 18th 2023 at 11:42:55 AM

Khoshekh6 Since: May, 2022
#30351: Jan 15th 2024 at 8:04:38 PM

Yeah that ain't a cleavage window

Malady (Not-So-Newbie)
#30352: Jan 15th 2024 at 10:01:23 PM

Is this Power Glows or some idea we don't have?

  • Sunset Overdrive: One poster in Sunset City warns against drinking glowing water, because it's toxic.

The glow implies it's radioactive, so is that Power Glows?

Or should there be a Dangerous Glow trope?

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JustNormalMusicLover As long as everything goes well, it'll be fine! Since: Jun, 2022 Relationship Status: Abstaining
As long as everything goes well, it'll be fine!
#30353: Jan 15th 2024 at 10:34:16 PM

Kurumi Ebisuzawa (from School-Live!) and Rize Tedeza (from Is the Order a Rabbit?) looks very similar to each another. Considering that the former's source released earlier, it seems convincing to me that Kurumi herself is Expy of Rize.

The fandom for their respective work's character pages (Rize, Kurumi) state that they have similar personalities and are typically seen with things that can be considered weapons - Rize is typically depicted with a gun, while Kurumi is typically shown holding a shovel.

EDIT: Additionally, Rize Tedeza, who is voiced by Risa Taneda in the anime, is probably The Danza (at least in the anime), due to the rhyme of the names between both.

Edited by JustNormalMusicLover on Jan 16th 2024 at 2:56:49 AM

How many games got ported into Nintendo Switch? A lot of them.
Ayumi-chan low-poly Shinri from Calvard (Apprentice) Relationship Status: Serial head-patter
low-poly Shinri
#30354: Jan 15th 2024 at 11:47:28 PM

[up] I highly doubt that. An expy needs to intentional for it work. This seems more like a coincidence tbh.

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IronAnimation (Not-So-Newbie)
#30355: Jan 15th 2024 at 11:47:57 PM

^^^ Technicolor Toxin might be able to cover glowing.

Seems like what you really want is a slightly broader version of Sickly Green Glow. Could be considered a downplayed example.

Edited by IronAnimation on Jan 16th 2024 at 12:29:42 PM

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mightymewtron Angry babby from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Angry babby
#30356: Jan 16th 2024 at 12:07:11 AM

If an aspect is changed from a rough pilot or series of shorts before becoming a full-fledged series (i.e. going from Oh Yeah! Cartoons to a series), and fans wish something that was changed had been kept in the switch to a full series, is that Fan-Preferred Cut Content or They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot?

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
IronAnimation (Not-So-Newbie)
#30357: Jan 16th 2024 at 12:19:53 AM

Fan-Preferred Cut Content.

Although it could be both, if the "content" still exists in the final work but people wish it was explored further.

Edited by IronAnimation on Jan 16th 2024 at 12:24:28 PM

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BKelly95 Since: Jan, 2001
#30358: Jan 16th 2024 at 6:54:37 AM

I found this on DramaticIrony.Live Action TV:

  • Fans of Are You Afraid of the Dark? consider "The Dead Man's Float" the scariest episode of the series, but the Midnight Society don't think the story is good enough for Tucker's friend Stig to join.

This strikes me more as just Irony. Should I move the example there?

Malady (Not-So-Newbie)
#30360: Jan 16th 2024 at 9:11:27 AM

[up][up][up][up][up] - Checked up on the exact wording of what I'm trying to trope. It just says:

"Don't drink glowing water! Toxic Wastes"

We don't know what color it is, or why it's glowing, we just get told it's bad. I guess that's Technicolor Toxin by technicality??

Edited by Malady on Jan 16th 2024 at 9:11:36 AM

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WarJay77 Big Catch, Sparkle Edition from The Void (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
#30361: Jan 16th 2024 at 9:20:50 AM

We're told it's glowing and toxic. That's enough for Technicolor Toxin, I think (kinda hard to glow if you don't have some color)

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randomtroper89 from The Fire Nation Since: Nov, 2010
#30362: Jan 16th 2024 at 11:13:56 AM

TakeThat.Literature:

  • After a messy divorce from her first husband, Laurell K. Hamiliton, author of Anita Blake, had love interest Richard (heavily based on him) grow increasingly "Jerkass" in mannerisms, and was only allowed to have sex with Anita when no one else in her "Rotisserie of Dicks" was available, and implied with the weight of a 16 ton anvil that he lost out on a very good relationship by leaving her. It must be noted, however, that, for many readers, this was something of an Insult Backfire.

While the insult clearly backfired, it doesn't actually count as to qualify as Insult Backfire the target of the insult must take it as a compliment.

Malady (Not-So-Newbie)
#30363: Jan 16th 2024 at 11:16:55 AM

If we even want to talk about that it backfired, it's gotta explain how, which seems that it's because he (became?) Strawman Has a Point, according to YMMV.Anita Blake.

Edited by Malady on Jan 16th 2024 at 11:18:00 AM

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BigBadShadow25 Owl House / Infinity Train / Inside Job Fan from Basement at the Alamo (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
Owl House / Infinity Train / Inside Job Fan
#30364: Jan 16th 2024 at 1:22:37 PM

Would the Ted movies count as fantasy films, due to being about a teddy bear brought to life by a magic wish?

The Owl House and Coyote Vs Acme are my Roman Empire.
jandn2014 Very Spooky from somewhere in Connecticut Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Hiding
Very Spooky
#30365: Jan 16th 2024 at 2:24:49 PM

[up] Wikipedia categorizes both films as fantasy comedies, and I'd agree with such an assessment.

back lol
Gofastmike Since: Mar, 2017
#30366: Jan 16th 2024 at 3:37:05 PM

Homebrew example:

  • Fashionable Asymmetry: Alice's "casual" outfit has her wearing an oversized T-shirt in which one arm goes through the shirt's collar like a one-shoulder dress, putting the empty sleeve under her armpit, while the other arm goes through a hole in the shirt's armpit, putting the sleeve on her shoulder.
Secondary query: Could this potentially count as something worthy of a work's Funny page?

Wafer The Mask Does Not Laugh Since: Oct, 2021 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Mask Does Not Laugh
#30367: Jan 16th 2024 at 4:49:42 PM

YMMV.Infinity Train Blossoming Trail

  • Americans Hate Tingle: While popular on A03, Blossoming Trail has garnered negative reception on sites like Spacebattles, Serebii and Bulbagarden due to the treatment of Ash, as the Pokémon forumgoers on those sites see him as being needlessly belittled and mistreated by the fic's narrative. Even when the author took the criticisms to heart and Ash and Chloe start rebuilding their friendship in Act 2, most people had already given up on the story. Especially as the equally horrific treatment of Goh and serious dislike of theirs over Chloe made them unwilling to go back to reading the story, to the point that bringing up the story in those sites is more likely to incite mockery and potshots at it than anything else.

Can Americans Hate Tingle apply to other websites or is it exclusively physical location-based?

SoyValdo7 I mainly fix indentation issues from La tierra de lagos y volcanes Since: Sep, 2022 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
I mainly fix indentation issues
#30368: Jan 16th 2024 at 4:59:25 PM

Don't think so. The trope description focuses exclusively on markets and places, with no mention of Internet culture anywhere.

Valdo
dsneybuf Since: Jul, 2009
#30369: Jan 16th 2024 at 7:48:53 PM

I need help deciding if this qualifies for Unbuilt Casting Type:

  • Pedro Pascal achieved new levels of fame and acclaim by portraying hardened survivors befriending orphans they escort on dangerous journeys, building off of the praise that Prospect received in the indie movie circuit. While Pascal's best-known performances of this type boast a stoic and reclusive facade that the orphan breaks through, Prospect gives him a jovial and talkative personality; the scene in which the orphan tries in vain to shut him up appears to invert instances of Pascal's subsequent protective characters becoming impatient with their mischevious wards.

Edited by dsneybuf on Jan 16th 2024 at 9:50:08 AM

CompletelyNormalGuy Am I a weirdo? from that rainy city where they throw fish (Oldest One in the Book)
Am I a weirdo?
#30370: Jan 16th 2024 at 10:51:05 PM

[up]I'd say no. That reads like a slightly different character type rather than a deconstruction of his future character type.

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mightymewtron Angry babby from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Angry babby
#30371: Jan 16th 2024 at 10:59:53 PM

@30358: Could it be Magnum Opus Dissonance even if it's the characters saying it's not a great story as opposed to the creators?

Honestly I've been wondering if there's potential for a trope where fans want to see an in-universe story made when it's not meant to be good.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
ChicoTheParakeet Since: Oct, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#30372: Jan 17th 2024 at 3:32:49 AM

Daemons of the Shadow Realm, considering 4Kids’ dub of Yugi-Oh, does this fall under a real-life example of Unfortunate Name?

Ayumi-chan low-poly Shinri from Calvard (Apprentice) Relationship Status: Serial head-patter
low-poly Shinri
#30373: Jan 17th 2024 at 5:14:52 AM

Found this on Loan Shark

  • The Legend of Heroes: Trails from Zero: Harold Hayworth, in his past, was done in so bad by a loan shark backed by The Mafia that he sent his daughter to a friend (who then sent Renne of to be a Sex Slave) for safety, only to find the place burned to the ground once out of debt. This made him into The Atoner as a cheritable merchant and spoil his second child, Colin, who was the main reason he and his wife didn't kill themselves out of guilt.

While the Loan Shark is there, it goes off topic and that makes me unsure of this entry

Found this on Grin of Rage

  • Tokyo Xanadu: Mitsuki, being The Ojou, gives a few dissonant smiles as a way of shutting people up. The first time is when she's giving a Last-Second Chance to her fiancé. The second time, it's threatening to crush any rumors that she's dating her longtime friend Shio.

Mitsui isn't really mad but is deliberately invoking a passive aggressive image to threaten people. I don't think it counts for the trope.

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Libraryseraph Showtime! from Canada (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
Showtime!
#30374: Jan 17th 2024 at 6:32:23 AM

[up][up] ...Why would it? Genuine question

[up] Loan Shark is definitely rambly and off-topic, I don't know enough about the work to fix it though. Grin of Rage doesn't count as written

Absolute destiny... apeachalypse?
Ayumi-chan low-poly Shinri from Calvard (Apprentice) Relationship Status: Serial head-patter
low-poly Shinri
#30375: Jan 17th 2024 at 6:38:08 AM

[up] Hid the former example and removed the latter example.

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