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In an effort to keep the volume of threads in IP at a reasonable level, and to encourage creating threads that address genuine problems, we need to make some notes about when to request a thread and what constitutes valid reasons for a thread. These have been mentioned in some of the other IP procedure threads, but they're being listed here for quick reference.

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    Approval of threads 
New IP threads must be approved by the staff before they will be opened. Please take time to review the guidelines below and make sure your request is solid before submitting it.

    General notes on adding/changing images and requesting threads 
  • IP isn't obligatory, but it is strongly recommended. Otherwise, the image you put up may end up coming to the forum for work or replacement.
  • Pages that have gone through IP should have a commented-out tag showing the relevant thread(s). Always check for these before adding a pic or requesting an IP thread for a page.
  • Keep the quality criteria listed below in mind when making an image suggestion.
  • For pages without pics:
    • Work pages generally don't require an IP thread to upload a pic, but feel free to start a thread if you have multiple ideas or use the Image Suggestion thread to float single ideas.
    • Please have a concrete suggestion for a trope page. This is relaxed a bit for tropes that are fresh out of TLP, when a pic idea might not have surfaced during the build process.
  • A thread requested within two weeks of the closing of a previous thread on the same page that doesn't have a concrete suggestion will be denied immediately.
  • Animated GIFs aren't allowed as page pics. True Art Is Incomprehensible is the one exception, per admin fiat.note 
  • It usually takes 5-7 [tup] votes for a pic to be considered to have consensus in a thread. In crowners, a 2:1 ratio is considered the bare minimum for consensus, with 1.86:1 as a "only considered if that's the best and other options are less than that" level.

    IP thread reasons 
The following are reasons to instantly pull an image and make a request to replace it:

  • Not Safe For Work (NSFW)
    • If you're unsure on whether a pic fits this or not, comment it out or ask before outright pulling it.
    • Classic works of art containing nudity, such as Michelangelo's David or Botticelli's The Birth of Venus, don't necessarily fall into this, but appropriateness for the page in question is the key factor, and SFW options should be considered whenever possible.
  • The image is a spoiler. The age and/or infamy of the work the image originates from may prevent this from being considered a valid issue.
  • Watermarking. A TV channel emblem on a screencap is a "bug", not a true watermark, and is permissible as long as it's not obtrusive.
  • Meme-based images are not permitted as page pics. The sole general exception is a work's Memes page, where they should only be considered if there are no better options.Other exceptions 
  • Copyright issues:
    • The pic implies TV Tropes is claiming the copyright.
    • The pic has been taken from a site that deals in copyrighted images or videos, especially if a watermark has been removed and/or the site is selling their content. Screencaps from videos from these sites are not permitted, either.
    • The image is the entirety of a product for sale, such as a t-shirt design.
    • Using an entire work:
      • Basically, if it's copyrighted, we have to get permission to use it. This covers single-panel cartoons, photographs, entire comic strips and webcomics, and similar works. If permission is granted to use a work, it's always noted on the page in some fashion, usually in the caption and/or with the page tag. If an artist requests a specific way to display their connection to the pic, we'll do our best to honor it.
      • Some artists, such as xkcd's creator, have given us carte blanche to use entire works as needed. Permission notices for such cases aren't required.
      • Entire cards from card-based games like Magic: The Gathering are impractical but can be used. Using the art from these cards is fine.
      • Any such work that's in the public domain is free to use.
    • Some creators do not want their work used outside their control at all, but fair use means that we are not legally bound to honor this for the wiki's purposes, aside from the aforementioned restrictions. We'll honor a take-down request, but it's up to them to send it. We're not obliged to chase them down and ask them what their policy is. Fair use also allows us to use excerpts of works without seeking permission. In this case, the minimum needed to get the trope across should be used.
  • A page has an image that is obviously from the wrong work / programming block / network / etc.

The following are valid general reasons to request a thread:

  • Multiple suggestions for a page without a pic. Single suggestions are currently being filtered through the Image Suggestion thread instead of getting their own threads right off the bat. Those that don't end up on a page will have threads created to try to find a pic.
  • The current pic doesn't adequately demonstrate the trope. Examples of this include:
    • Just a Face and a Caption (JAFAAC)—the pic shows an example of the trope but relies on familiarity with its subject(s) to make the connection to the trope evident.
    • A pic that is nothing but text, or one where the text overwhelms the imagery. You may see "might as well be a page quote" used in IP to describe this. There are exceptions (Spoof Aesop, for example), especially for dialogue-based tropes, but generally we want to have actual images as page pics with just enough text to support the expression of the trope.
  • Poor image quality. Graininess, motion blur, and artifactingnote  are three of the most common problems.
Oversized pics are forced by the page coding to 350 px width, which can make the image look artifacted. Check the image's properties before starting a thread; if it can be downsized and replaced, it may not need a thread.
  • The current pic is taken from a multi-panel work such as a comic strip or webcomic and uses more than half of the source material.
  • The current pic is over the 350 px size limit and you'd like to suggest a new pic rather than upload a resized version.
  • Fan-art on a work page instead of an image from the work itself.
  • The current pic is overly fanservicey, especially in the Creator/ namespace. In the case of Fanservice tropes, pics should be as low-key as possible while still getting the trope across.
  • Two trope pages have the same pic. A work and trope can have the same image but it's preferred that they be separate.
  • You believe you have a suggestion that better illustrates the trope than the current pic (by Image Pickin' standards, not "This is a cooler pic.")
  • A pic has been changed or removed from a page for a reason that may not be valid, or no reason at all, especially if the pic was chosen by a previous IP thread.
  • A page marked as No Real Life Examples, Please! has a Real Life pic.Exceptions 
  • A YMMV or Audience Reaction page has a pic that is not In-Universe.Exceptions 
  • A page has an unusual image arrangement not chosen by an IP thread and you don't think it works well, e.g. having two images on a trope page. Some pages have multiple pics for a reason (Our Orcs Are Different, for example) so check for an IP tag before starting a thread in this case.

The following are NOT valid reasons to request a thread:

  • Not liking the art style, layout/design, or any Photoshopping or similar alterations that may have been made, provided they don't impact the pic's quality.
  • Claiming that a particular work is over-/under-represented. This can have some impact on deciding on a pic, but should never be the main gist of a thread.
  • Trying to argue that a pic you liked wasn't chosen in a previous thread, especially if it lost in a crowner, or trying to make an invalid argument that a pic doesn't work for a page even though it was chosen by a thread. Repeatedly doing this is grounds for suspension from the workshop forums.
  • Some trope pages feature Visual Puns or other jokey pics rather than something that actually demonstrates the trope, usually because these pages have been very hard to find a better pic for.Examples  Don't request a thread just because you don't like the joke; if you've got an actual example, that's fine. Also, see the "Don't change the pic" note in the next section.

    Special cases 
For a list of pages that have unique statuses, see here: Administrivia.Image Pickin Special Cases

Edited by Willbyr on Sep 27th 2019 at 9:25:29 AM

Willbyr Anime-ted from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Anime-ted
Jun 24th 2019 at 8:48:21 PM

Yeah, I'm good with that. [tup]

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Yabukuron Supersonic Woman from Isshu Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Supersonic Woman
Jun 24th 2019 at 8:53:05 PM

So i'm glad my remake for Not Allowed to Grow Up got in, even if it was while I was sleeping lol, but that makes me wanna ask: What is/should be the policy on image upgrades like that? I've made a few total remakes for a few pages because I liked the original and was able to, sometimes some of the things are different, but I try to keep it as close as possible. When its not a 100% remake, should we still ask for courtesy or is it still okay if we slot it in oooor?

I'm okay with whatever, I just want to be clear and so i don't step on some toes that get me yelled at.

The other remakes i made were Iconic Item and Iconic Logo btw

I'm a shooting star leaping through the sky like a tiger, defying the laws of gravity
Willbyr Anime-ted from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Anime-ted
Jun 24th 2019 at 8:58:27 PM

[up] If you're doing a straight upgrade with no content changes, it's not a problem to just do them. If you're making a change to part of the image, it's best to post it in the "pages needing quality upgrades" thread for discussion unless it's a very minor change.

Edited by Willbyr on Jun 24th 2019 at 10:59:23 AM

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Yabukuron Supersonic Woman from Isshu Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Supersonic Woman
Jun 24th 2019 at 9:00:45 PM

You think we should move the discussion there? I can give the example of the old vs new images and the only slight things I changed were cause I was able to get a higher quality version of a different version of the same example, that or I had to change the color/choose a different colored variant of one logo to be visible in both night vision and normal.

edit: saw your edit, I think the examples I've made are usually pretty minor, but I'll let the discussion happen on that. If it should be posted in the image upgrade thread, I'll post my examples and open up there, Wil.

Edited by Yabukuron on Jun 24th 2019 at 12:01:37 PM

I'm a shooting star leaping through the sky like a tiger, defying the laws of gravity
Jun 25th 2019 at 1:46:00 AM

Adding another vote to make Author Appeal BUPKIS, not "No pic".

All I ever wanted was to pick apart the day. Put the pieces back together my way.
WarJay77 Spooky Scary from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Spooky Scary
Jul 1st 2019 at 11:56:39 AM

So Devilmansans decided to add an image to Love Makes You Crazy, deleting the note about not doing so in the process. I reverted the change; should I send a PM?

Edit: Hold up, they also made an arbitrary change at Hypochondria, and added undiscussed images for Villainous Breakdown and the one we just removed at Dirty Coward...

Willbyr, think it may be best to leave this to you... because yikes.

if you're gonna suspend them, please note they also have bad grammar and a ZCE problem too...

Edited by WarJay77 on Jul 1st 2019 at 3:07:11 PM

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread
Willbyr Anime-ted from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Anime-ted
Jul 1st 2019 at 2:05:26 PM

[up] Yes, someone needs a talking-to. Thanks for the heads-up.

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rjd1922 Paladin from Illinois Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
Paladin
Jul 1st 2019 at 4:29:39 PM

[up][up]The images they added were pretty bad, too, and they didn't pothole them and used watermarked fanart without sourcing it:

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/rules_of_the_red_sun_by_tobiisabunny_dd0lwa8.jpg

  • For Hypochondria (though it would make a good video example):
https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/maxresdefault_677.jpg
Only A Hypochondriac Would Sing A J-Pop Song Of How Much She Hates Germs

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/thats_it.png

Steel be with you.
WarJay77 Spooky Scary from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Spooky Scary
Jul 1st 2019 at 4:33:38 PM

[up] Yeah, I realized that part as well but forgot to mention it.

Female troper who likes Pokemon, ARGs, Writing, and more. / Links: Sandbox.Zero Context Example Thread - Sandbox.Roleplay Cleanup Thread
rjd1922 Paladin from Illinois Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
Paladin
Jul 5th 2019 at 8:14:13 AM

I think you should decline to open the 2 + Torture = 5 thread, since there was a thread not long ago that voted to keep it, and the OP doesn't have another suggestion.

Edited by rjd1922 on Jul 28th 2019 at 5:45:23 AM

Steel be with you.
rjd1922 Paladin from Illinois Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
Paladin
Jul 5th 2019 at 7:31:13 PM

Where does the Sailor Moon fanart on Transformation Is a Free Action come from?

Steel be with you.
Jul 9th 2019 at 10:07:41 AM

I'm 90% sure I saw the full image on deviantart like, a decade ago. Too bad the trope page's history doesn't go far back enough to hint at the source.

RamenChef Image Pickin's Simon Cowell from UTC-6:00 Relationship Status: Hiding
Image Pickin's Simon Cowell
Jul 9th 2019 at 10:57:41 AM

If there was a full version online, it would probably show up on RIS. It doesn't.

Also, you can usually use the Wayback Machine to see purged edit histories.

Edited by RamenChef on Jul 9th 2019 at 4:36:43 AM

This message was written on a hamster.
Jul 9th 2019 at 2:34:21 PM

I didn't think it was robust enough to search parts of images.

Using the Wayback Machine didn't turn up much.

Edit: There's at least one page from Google crediting us for the image. It was part of a much bigger picture: 1-8 and everything after 9 were cropped out, and the now unique and unsearchable cropped version was added ca. 2009, any info lost to time.

Edited by Tabs on Jul 10th 2019 at 11:41:23 AM

rjd1922 Paladin from Illinois Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
Paladin
Jul 10th 2019 at 9:27:40 PM

The thread for Supernaturally Validated Trans Person closed after voting to put an image on Transgender, but didn't resolve whether to put this image on the page for which the thread was originally started. Some people did like it.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/valisaac.png

Steel be with you.
ginsengaddict Wielder of the Muthfu*kin' Pimphand from orbit around your planet, bombarding your doods. Relationship Status: Sinking with my ship
Wielder of the Muthfu*kin' Pimphand
Jul 10th 2019 at 10:48:27 PM

[up][tup][tup][tup][tup][tup]

Is it worth opening a new thread for it?

Edited by ginsengaddict on Jul 11th 2019 at 3:49:41 AM

Mr. Worf, prepare a high-yield torpedo, and write on it: don't fu*k with the Sisko.
Willbyr Anime-ted from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Anime-ted
Jul 11th 2019 at 9:07:33 AM

How did the consensus shake out in terms of votes?

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bitemytail from Arizona Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Jul 11th 2019 at 9:24:04 AM

I count 3 [tdown] (Myself, RamenChef and Karxrida and 5 [tup] (rjd1922, charun, Primis, Yabukuron and Willbyr).

I didn't count any of the wishy-washy comments either way. (For example, this: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1561079293085876900&page=1#comment-14)

Edited by bitemytail on Jul 11th 2019 at 9:24:27 AM

Health sure is versatile. It's possible to be both light-headed and dim-witted. At the same time, no less.
TheUnsquished Apparently unsquishable from Southern Limey Land Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
Apparently unsquishable
Jul 11th 2019 at 10:32:07 AM

[up][up][up][up]I don't have an issue with that.

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Willbyr Anime-ted from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Anime-ted
Jul 11th 2019 at 11:09:20 AM

Eh, throw it into the Image Suggestion thread and we can see how it pans out in whichever crowner it goes into...if it doesn't get consensus after that, we can safely say it's out of the running. It should've gone through that thread to begin with, now that I've looked at the thread again.

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rjd1922 Paladin from Illinois Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
Paladin
Jul 11th 2019 at 2:32:20 PM

As I brought up in the Image Suggestion thread, I think the image for Attractive Bent Species should have the screenshots the other way around make it clear it's about a boy turning into an attractive squirrel and not a squirrel turning into a cute boy:

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/squirrel_arthur.png

Steel be with you.
ginsengaddict Wielder of the Muthfu*kin' Pimphand from orbit around your planet, bombarding your doods. Relationship Status: Sinking with my ship
Wielder of the Muthfu*kin' Pimphand
Jul 11th 2019 at 5:16:44 PM

[up]Problem with this is the frames are out of order in the context of the movie they're from.

But I guess that doesn't matter for the purposes of demo'ing the trope, so... tentatively, [tup]

Mr. Worf, prepare a high-yield torpedo, and write on it: don't fu*k with the Sisko.
TheOldChum A very spicy memer. from Brazil Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
A very spicy memer.
Jul 12th 2019 at 10:51:03 AM

Say there's a page where the current image reflects the contents of the page, but it's old and could be changed to a newer image which would serve the same purpose. Is it a valid reason to change it? In which category would it fall into?

Hello, my old chums! I'm gnot a gnelf, I'm gnot a gnoblin... I'm a gnome, and you've been GNOMED!
bitemytail from Arizona Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Jul 12th 2019 at 10:57:45 AM

"Suggestion". Or "Poor Image" if it's a quality upgrade.

Note that a straight quality upgrade (as in the literally the same picture, but in higher quality) doesn't need a thread.

Health sure is versatile. It's possible to be both light-headed and dim-witted. At the same time, no less.
Synchronicity Relationship Status: I've got a total eclipse of the heart
Jul 12th 2019 at 2:29:28 PM

[up][up]: [up] is right, but if itís a lateral move (like the images are about equal in terms of quality/illustrativeness) then the forum is less likely to agree to change it ó if it ainít broke...

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