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NOTE: The crowner system is undergoing an overhaul, so some of the information on this page is no longer correct. Updates will come as further changes are made.

So you have been participating in a thread in Trope Repair Shop or Image Pickin' , there has been some discussion about what to do to fix a page, and you want to move on to the next step and that much closer to actually fixing the page. In most cases, this means making a crowner.


What are crowners anyway?

Crowners are a tool for measuring consensus for a decision on the wiki. The name is an Artifact Title from when they were used to determine Crowning examples of YMMV items like Moment of Awesome. Interested tropers can choose to vote in them by clicking on the up or down arrows next to each option. You may vote for multiple options and revert your vote if you change your mind, but you obviously can only select up or down for each choice.

When should you make a crowner?

Generally, it is a good idea to wait until there has been a decent amount of discussion (and a Wick Check if appropriate) about the issue with the trope(s) before making a crowner. If you aren't sure whether it is time for a crowner, posting in the thread to ask is normally a good idea.

How to make a crowner (current situation)

After an update, regular tropers are no longer able to create crowners; only mods have access to the crowner creation tool. It is unknown when or if tropers will be able to make crowners again. For now, if a thread needs voting, list out the options in a post and use Holler to ask a mod to attach the crowner for you.

What do I do after making a crowner?

Hooking it to the thread

The first thing to do is to holler (that is, click the button with an ellipsis on it and click "Holler This") the moderators, asking politely for one to hook (attach) your crowner to the thread.

Building a consensus

Next, the crowner should run until it stabilizes and there is a consensus. There is no strict set maximum or minimum number of days that a crowner has to stay open, but as a general rule of thumb, they normally should stay open for at least three days (not counting weekends) and should not be closed until there is a clear consensus. If the change is a major one (like the renaming of a whole namespace), you need at least one week. Crowners have timestamps in their headers, so check them if you aren't sure whether enough time has passed.

The important thing for consensus is the proportion of votes rather than the number of votes. For example, an option with 20 ups and 10 downs (a 2:1 ratio) beats out one with 98 ups and 75 downs (a 1.31:1 ratio).

Consensus usually requires a 2:1 ratio of up vs. down votes with rename efforts normally not being considered to have consensus support until they have around 70% support (a 2.33:1 ratio), while Alt Names can be called with less than 2:1. In the event that multiple options have at least 2:1 support on a Page Action crowner, all of the ones that are compatible with the option with the most support may also be done after the crowner is called. Image Pickin' crowner options require both a positive vote balance and a minimum 2:1 vote ratio for consensus.


The minimum amount of votes is usually 10-15 combined votes for the option with the most votes cast (the higher, the better), but large-scale efforts like renaming of namespaces need usually around 100-150 votes.

Calling crowners and getting to work

If you think that a crowner has reached a consensus or if you are unsure, feel free to holler and ask the staff if it is time for the crowner to be closed. If a moderator agrees they will call the crowner and suggest that people start getting to work.

You should always try to wait until the crowner is closed before taking action or making another crowner. Also, in the rare event that a crowner has been open for quite a long time and there seems to be no consensus forming, the thread has stalled and it may be appropriate to ask a moderator to close it.

Due to the high throughput of Image Pickin', crowners generally only run for 5 days unless it's necessary for them to run longer. Additionally, the forum has guidelines for allowing a crowner to be called early:

  • At any point, if the leading option has a vote balance of at least 10 and no other options have consensus. This is considered "super-consensus".
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  • After 3 days, if the leading option has a vote balance of at least 8 and no other options have consensus.
  • After 4 days, if the leading option is the only one that has consensus.

Usage outside of TRS and IP

Generally, moderators can hook crowners on any thread, even outside of IP or TRS. Sometimes crowners are used in non-Workshop parts of the fora, usually to allow people to vote on something without having the obligation to post. Depending upon the purpose of the crowner, the requirements may vary from those of the generic Workshop crowner.

Alternative Title(s): Crowner, How To Make A Crowner