A few notes about the WMG
- John Carpenter has stated multiple times that there are no 100% correct theories, and that the ambiguity is intentional.
- It should be noted that he has made several joking statements in response to people asking him to confirm their theories.Carpenter (In response to being asked if Childs was a thing): "I always thought MacReady was a thing, but Childs? I dunno..."
- It should also be noted that for all intents and purposes, deleted scenes are generally not considered canon, though this is up to the viewer.
- Additionally, there are several different continuities branching off of the original film (Particularly in Comic form), and different fans will interpret different sources as canon. There are no "right" or "wrong" continuities.note
Think about it. The Thing was frozen in the ice block, still alive. The first thing we do to it is…not to release it. Instead, we take a power drill, bore down into its body, and rip a chunk of it out. When it breaks out, it doesn’t try to attack Derek, who is alone in the room and is an easy first target. It’s true that it kills a dog shortly after this, but who knows how the dog acted. Siberian huskies aren’t bloodthirsty fighting dogs, but they certainly aren’t chihuahuas. For all we know, the dog attacked the intruder. The Thing is then chased around by the team even as it attempts to hide, and finally attacks Henrik like the cornered animal it was.
And do we respond to this? Kate screams "BURN IT!!", and we open the gas valves all around it and throw a flare at it, engulfing it in a fiery explosion. Now it knows that, if we find it, we don’t ask questions. We just set it on fire. Then Kate goes on her huge spiel about how we are to be afraid of it, how it could be anyone, and how we need to conduct tests to find it and kill it. Oh gee, why oh why does the Thing show hostility towards humans from that point forward?
- Right, because it killing a guy had absolutely nothing to do with their decision to torch it.
- It killed/attempted to assimilate Henrik before it had imitated any human. At that point, we are safe to assume that it didn't know what humans are, and certainly had no means of communicating with us, nor any idea of why these strange bipedal creatures were chasing it around. It was a cornered animal. Further, we can't even be sure of how much knowledge it gained from Henrik before we set it on fire.
- In the Thing Prequel comic "The Northman Nightmare" it fought Vikings the Thing knows what humans are.
- I don't think we can count "Northman Nightmare" as being in the same continuity, or at the very least, that's probably not the same "Thing"- it's on the other end of the planet.
- It's all but stated that the Thing attacked and assimilated Griggs as soon as it emerged from the ice. So not exactly a "cornered animal". It knew what it was doing.
- It killed/attempted to assimilate Henrik before it had imitated any human. At that point, we are safe to assume that it didn't know what humans are, and certainly had no means of communicating with us, nor any idea of why these strange bipedal creatures were chasing it around. It was a cornered animal. Further, we can't even be sure of how much knowledge it gained from Henrik before we set it on fire.
Following off of Alien vs. Predator, The Predators were headed to Antarctica for their rite of passage Ritual. However, unknown to them, the Alien Queen they were taking with them was actually a Thing in disguise, once the ship entered earth's atmosphere, the Thing attacked, crashing the ship into the ice. In the ensuing chaos, the remaining Predators were killed or assimilated. Once it finished with the Predators, the Thing took the form it is found in at the Prequel's beginning (some random alien in the Predator's menagerie) in an attempt to escape onto earth, but froze for 75,000 years instead.
In the original ''Who Goes There?", it is described as "pure evil" and the characters constantly bring up the judeo-christian God for some reason. It also explains the No Biochemical Barriers.
A related theory is that during the ending both of them are Things, but they still think they are humans. The infection mechanism has no reason to alter their natural behavior, so they just sit there sipping scotch until they simply fail to die. And then they know.
- The fact that the Thing acts like a virus (viruses can go "latent", hiding inside healthy-looking cells until the right moment) and that Norris' actor played him as if he was afraid he was a Thing and didn't know it (and he was very much correct) lends credence to this theory. Also recall the reaction to the blood tests: More then one of them were afraid they were Things and didn't know it, either.
- It is possible that Childs isn't human and that Mac is, if only because Childs WASN'T BREATHING. Other things to support this is that Childs is wearing a different colored parka than before; runs out into a blizzard alone (which is out of character for him); and when offered a swig of scotch, he takes it even though Mac could very well be infected.
- The oft-repeated 'Childs' breath isn't showing' argument is only caused by the way the scene is lit. Carpenter certainly didn't leave this in as some kind of hint, because he said himself even he doesn't know if Childs was a thing or not - it was deliberately ambiguous.
- If this is so, how does the Thing consciously infect others if those that are infected are unaware that they are the Thing?
- It doesn't even have to be conscious. Just one or a few Thing cells is sufficient to begin the takeover, so in the manner of a virus, just shaking hands (or getting licked by the dog in the beginning) is enough to begin the process.
- This is only a theory and one that is never actually proven. It's something posited as how the Thing could be infecting people, but we don't know. As with Childs, we aren't MEANT to know for sure.
- This is one of the mysteries that Carpenter decided to just let the fans speculate on.
- It doesn't even have to be conscious. Just one or a few Thing cells is sufficient to begin the takeover, so in the manner of a virus, just shaking hands (or getting licked by the dog in the beginning) is enough to begin the process.
- It can be assumed that the Thing doesn't so much "infect" people as it does perfectly imitate them, its primary intention in this case to be to get away from Antarctica, the best way to do so is to try to blend in. After all, the dog they let in started morphing and trying to eat the other dogs, so it certainly knew when it transformed.
- There is a rather noticeable rift between those who think that things can infect and those who think they have to assimilate en-mass. There could be a wide range of assimilation possibilities. Assuming a "one cell assimilates another" scenario, all assimilation methods would become exponentially more rapid as more of the body is assimilated.
- "Slow Assimilation" would work as an infection, from contact with one single cell, or Thing slime/blood etc. At first, like any infection, you wouldn't know it's started. But, then, you may start feeling weird and start getting a bit sick as the Things ravage your immune system and take over your body. It really picks up speed as it approaches significant fractions of the body. At the 1/2 mark, it becomes an instant assimilation of the other half of the body. Blair and Norris are often presumed to have been assimilated this way. It may be possible that all of the men had some thing cells on them and that Mac and Childs would be assimilated by the end of the movie, or later. The main obstacle to this type of assimilation is that the cells have to burrow through the dead skin layers to get into the body, or come into contact with soft tissues or open wounds. One of the upsides to this type of assimilation is that there would be no torn clothing from an attack.
- "Aggressive Assimilation" is where a Thing has little time in which to assimilate someone else. So, it attacks them and tries to inject them with as many Thing cells as it can. This may also include "Predatory Assimilation", where the Thing engulfs the target. This is the main reason one would find torn clothing from the assimilated. Bennings is a prime example of this. If the Thing has equal or greater biomass to the target, this is basically an instantaneous assimilation.
- "Ingestive Assimilation". This is a more of a middle-of-the road assimilation type. It deals with what happens if one is unfortunate enough to eat a Thing, or encounters a Thing that is too small for an aggressive assimilation. Basically, once the Things are in the mouth, they would attack the soft tissues, where they have quick access to the blood vessels. From there, it becomes a jumpstarted slow assimilation. Outside the body, a mosquito Thing or mouse Thing may bite a person and then inject their entire biomass into them. Again, this becomes a slow assimilation from that point. But, unlike a more traditional slow assimilation, the increased starting biomass of the Things means that it will be completed faster than the infection model.
- There is a rather noticeable rift between those who think that things can infect and those who think they have to assimilate en-mass. There could be a wide range of assimilation possibilities. Assuming a "one cell assimilates another" scenario, all assimilation methods would become exponentially more rapid as more of the body is assimilated.
- The prequel suggests they're aware, with one burning the lab required for the blood test and another ambushing Kate by leading her into a trap.
- The prequel also suggests that may be somewhat aware - one of of the infected who reveals himself does so quite suddenly without any shock. This may contradict Bennings-Thing running, however.
- Maybe its like multiple personality disorder; two minds, the camouflage which still believes itself human and doesn't perceive anything that shatters that illusion, and the true alien mind that knows what it is. You're a Thing but you don't know it. And then you start doing things that you don't remember doing, or don't know why you're doing them (like setting fire to the lab), but for some reason you don't question it, it just feels right and natural. Or you might rationalize it.
- The original movie also suggests the Things know they're infected. A Thing shreds the blood in the lab, as well as Blair-Thing BUILDING A SPACE-SHIP. He's also very clearly in human form infecting people left and right near the end of the movie. There's also subtle little details like the Things looking at each other when someone has been accused of being infected, as if to say 'well I didn't infect him. Did you?' Really, I have no idea where the idea that Things don't know they're Things comes from. My personal theory is that they simply absorb the memories of their prey and thus can imitate them perfectly.
- The idea comes from the humans who may not be infected, or only in the early stages of it. The Paranoia Fuel is already present, and why wouldn't the Thing let some of the enemy kill themselves?
- It's possible that when the Thing attacks a human, it leaves the consciousness untouched, while replacing their subconscious. And when nobody's around, the Thing jumps into the driver seat.
- If it replaces every cell (including brain cells, of course) with its own and merely imitates those cells, then there's no reason why the person's consciousness would still be present. They would be dead and replaced by something else. Also, The Thing would remember - from its victim's perspective - being attacked/assimilated and would therefore be aware of what it is.
- I absolutely agree. A creature so dependent on it's Cells was probably freaking out when Doc "attacked" it like that.
- Conversely, who's to say that IT isn't a Thing?
- Because the Things don't have Deadlights.
- Then the deadlights are just some alien ability like phosphorescence that the Thing copied from another species on another world. As Fuchs said: "It could have imitated a million life forms on a million planets. It could change into any one of them at any time. Now, it wants life forms on Earth."
- Because the Things don't have Deadlights.
Well, think about it. Alien was a popular film that was just released 3 years ago back then, and would be on HUGE demand at lonely military bases to keep the men there in-touch with present pop-culture.
Freshly pissed off from losing to (and wrecking) Chess Wizard, Mac buys some weed off his apprentice pilot Palmer, burrows the tape from Nauls (who is sick of watching the same film for 3 years, and is excitedly listening to his copy of "Superstitious" which his sister just mailed him), pops back into his cabin, gets drunk, pops the tape in, and lights a phat...
The remarkably similar plot of Ridley Scott's hit, coupled copious amounts of mind twisting narcotic smoke and alcohol, warps MacReady's antisocial dislike of the rest of the camp into a fulfillment fantasy wherein he has a JUSTIFIED excuse to burn and kill the men that he's sick and tired of spending the last 3 years with, their forms warped and mixed with his Vietnam War flashbacks into distorted and grotesque abomination by the psychedelic effects of the weed. The trip ends with Childs, the teammate closest to him in personality and the only one he liked, sharing a drink with him as heroes, as his fantasy fades to black and he groggily stumbles back to reality...
- "Whoa, that was one fucked up trip... if only I DIDN'T pour my whisky into that cheating bitch...""Hey Mac, wanna watch Jaws with us?""Ah sure, why not. Got nothing better to do..."And that's how the film Leviathan (1989) happened.
- Weed is not a psychadelic drug. Although to be fair, Palmer doesn't exactly strike me as averse to lsd.
- He must have had a batch from the same type of weed they had in Reefer Madness.
- Actually Weed does have psychedelic properties just a rather minor ones by comparison.
- How does it fare with dreams?
- He must have had a batch from the same type of weed they had in Reefer Madness.
- This is my new head-canon.
- If that was so, then the Things would be able to evade the blood test by letting the blood die. The fact that the blood crawls away from a hot needle means that the blood-Thing is an independent organism that wants to survive even at the cost of letting the parent Thing get caught and killed.
- Infected creatures have a hive mind of cells, but act and think independently of each other. It's the only explanation for the events of the film. When the blood leaves the infected human's body, it's now an independent creature and acts in self-preservation. There's simply no way, per the laws of physics, that individual cells are acting with any intelligence, but for the Thing to be carrying out any modifications of the human brain would require far more intelligence than it demonstrates. What seems most likely is that the cells in each infected creature have some level of intelligence, possibly similar to a human's but unlikely to be greatly intelligent (or else it would've realized that humans would kill themselves for a cause), and this intelligence is in parallel to the (still functioning) brain, taking a chance when it could.
- Alternatively, the Things that comprise the creature's body share a consciousness until enough damage disrupts it. At which point, all the individual parts go back to being separate animals and flee accordingly.
- Yet another possibility: The Thing didn't want them to know it was a Hive Mind, so it sacrificed one of its hosts to let them THINK the test worked.
- The Thing could be a hive mind at a cellular level. One Thing-cell on its own in a host somehow can survive on its own; but it chooses to assimilate and work in numbers with the ones next to it to survive as a whole, even if that means killing other, separate Things to maintain its disguise. Thing-cells co-operate with cells in direct contact with them, using shared data, memories, forms, etc. In massive numbers, ie. assimilated prey, they can as conscious animals that see other Things as part of a pack. The blood samples were not in contact with their parent forms and act as a separate organism that react in self defense to the wire, and Palmer-Thing knows it is ousted. (Note: There is no hive mind intelligence; compare to Dead Space's Necromorphs.)
- Each grouping of Thing-cells is a colony organism, connected and thinking together. When cells are removed from that collective, they form their own collective. The blood for the blood test was it's own organism, which split into other organisms when that blood was spilled.
- My interpretation of things is that, well, think of it this way: Take an example of the "One person, many bodies" version of a Hive Mind. Each individual brain interconnected in the same way as the individual neurons in a human's brain. Now imagine that said Hive Mind clumped all it's individual bodies together in a Body of Bodies fashion. My understanding is that Things operate like that, except breaking a piece off results in a new, separate hivemind, like how breaking off a piece of Lichen and sticking it on a log results in a new, separate lichen.
- Lampshaded by Carpenter in the DVD commentary. And much debated amongst the fans.
- Jossed by Carpenter's original plan to have Mac shown to not be a thing after being rescued.
- Anti-Jossed by Carpenter saying he doesn't consider his original plan canon.
- Anti-anti-Jossed since Carpenter has said before he considers MacReady human, and that it was ambiguous whether Childs was a thing very deliberately.
- Anti-anti-anti Jossed because Carpenter was joking, as he is wont to do
- Jossed by Carpenter's original plan to have Mac shown to not be a thing after being rescued.
- Alternatively, Childs is the Thing, and may indeed be calling a truce with Mac for being a worthy foe or something.
- This does carry some weight, as the Things seem to be more worried about their own survival than assimilating everything they come across. Otherwise, Clark would've been the first assimilated human.
- Maybe The Thing takes on the personality of the person they are assimilating until they are in immediate danger (ie fire). Childs Thing let Mac live for at least a while, out of respect to a worthy challenger. Kind of supported by Palmer Thing having an ashamed look on his face when he knows he is about to be revealed as a Thing.
- The ship is shown in the Ice to be effing huge. It's basically the same size as the saucer section of the Enterprise. So, there are some theories that the ship was an interstellar luxury liner, like the Titanic.
- It is theorized that the pilot of the ship crashed the ship in Antarctica specifically to strand the Things there. Carpenter's take on the matter is that the ship was damaged and just happened to land there.
- When the creator of a work states something, it's not just 'their take', it's how it is.
- True, but Carpenter has stated on multiple occasions that he has no one true answer for the questions posed in his film. He's as open to speculating as anyone else.
- If the pilot wanted to strand the Things, why not crash on the Moon? Or anywhere besides Earth?
By this statement then that possibly could mean that the Thing from the film was in fact a escaped prisoner who was captured by a fully trained adult Predator (just the thought of a filmed scene of how the Predator managed to take the Thing down directed by John Frickin Carpenter No Less!! would be enough to send any fanboys knees knocking in anticipation) to be brought back to face justice under whatever the Things Species have for a legal system. However the Thing either in original or Viral form had somehow managed to free itself and attempted to assimilate/absorb itself into its captors body. Unfortunately for the Thing an adult Predators immune system is far more resistant then a mere Humans so in the struggle for control of the ship the Predator intentionally crashed the ship in the most remote place it could think of, in the area of the Xenomorph hive training facility in Antarctica so that. 1. if he/it dies then in only a few decades a new ship of Predator training recruits would find both their fellow hunters remains and.. 2. The frozen viral remains of the Thing so it still could be sent back for trial.
Technically this makes a fair amount of sense as this would make the films content more of a "Insane Slasher escapes from the asylum" plot that Carpenters earlier films were highly noted for. Finally (segwaying back to the theories name) this shows the possibility that not all of the Things are genuinely malevolent and are in the general benevolent and possibly exploratory species that use their cellular absorption ability to not conquer but to merely observe other sentient species by disguise (justifiable given their "True" Uncanny Valley like monstrous appearance) and as with the "criminal" Thing as a primary means of food ingestion and digestion.
This theory would be a definitely good plot point for any future films, Extended Universe Books, Video Games, Comics..Etc. And it would be nice to have at least a couple of alien monsters on our side for once (Preferably some Cute Monster Girls in the form of Claire Bennett or Megan Fox perhaps? ("wink" to the future producers)) which finally leads us to our final theory...
- The theory is somewhat backed up by some fan speculations. It could explain why Blair-Thing didn't just run off and escape, or why he just stood there and let Mac blow him up. He was still some part Blair, and wanted the Things to lose. It could very well lead to some interesting Thing vs Thing situations.
All of this suggests that our universe mainly consists of Eldrich Abominations and general biological un-humanoid horrors (the unnatural in appearance "Starbabies" from 2001 would also have to be thrown in there as formerly humanoid species that had no choice but to evolve themselves into this all powerful form (according to Arthur C. Clarke) in order to merely survive) that constantly wage inconceivably massive intergalactic war using other abominations as living bio-weapons and all other alien species are either by natural evolution or massive genetic engineering (the Predators could be either one of these) are all powerful warrior beings (this also explains Kryptonians and Daxamites however they mercifully kept their humanlike appearances) just for basic survival. Basically we all unknowingly just live in a Crapsack universe and just don't realize it yet.
This theory also helpfully explains the Alien vs. Predator films and source material comics, if Xenomorphs (alien biomechanical creatures that can decimate entire civilizations by just breeding) are only used as training practice for their Children what in God's name do their parents and grandparents Hunt? (and on a Regular Basis!!!).
- Hell screw Hunting! if their species ever went to actual full scale war what by the Hammer of Thor would that look like!!.
This by its own merit also proves that legendary 1920s Horror writer H.P. Lovecraft was correct (or as close to factually correct as possible) about all of the creatures contained within his Cthulu Mythos connected story universe. Basically it proves that somewhere the Great Old Ones do exist and may genuinely be worshiped on other planets as gods. It also proves that all or most of the horror based Science Fiction of the past 100 years was created by some artists, writers, or movie makers had "dreampt" these horrific creatures while they were asleep (in someway this is proven by Dutch modern artist H. R. Giger (who coincidentally designed the appearance of the Xenomorphs in the Alien films) who frequently had vivid and disturbing nightmares in which many of his drawn and painted creations appeared.) via long range telepathy (a process of alien communication frequently mentioned throughout early alien centered literature).
- The Things are not viri. They are cellular life forms. A thing is a cell. A shapeshifting cell.
- The game refers to it as the Cloud Virus.
- The thing was intended to represent cancer. Carpenter had a stomach cancer scare just before making the movie.
- May be so, but the Thing ACTS like a macro version of a virus. Consider: Viruses invade cells, take them over from the inside out, force the cell to take on a normal appearance to fool the immune system, and then without warning the cell explodes into a monstrous form, spewing viruses to invade nearby cells. Viruses can even go "latent" - hiding inside healthy-looking cells until just the right moment. The Thing, at its heart, is a virus-like parasite.
- First, viruses don't 'force the cell to take on a normal appearance'. Viruses infect already-healthy cells and hijack their already-present internal protein-producing machinery to make more viruses. Second, something that has the characteristics or behavior of one organism does not make it that organism. Otherwise, bats are really birds since they have wings, fly and eat insects, and dolphins are really fish because they have fins, swim in the sea and eat other fish. The Thing's cells are NOT viruses, they are specifically a cancer metaphor. In the context of the film, the idea that the Thing's cells 'infect' like viruses is a THEORY, one that is never actually proven in the film. The film shows (in graphic form) that to assimilate organisms it needs time to assimilate and then imitate them. This is why the dog-thing takes so long to assimilate the dogs, and the 'dead' thing attacks Bennings but is only partway through assimilating him before it is discovered.
- You are right about everything, except the part about infection only being a theory. A Thing cell infecting a normal, healthy cell is explicitly shown on Blair's computer.
- Blair's computer showed an early form of population simulation used for studying wildlife competition and predation eg penguins. Each blob represents an entire organism, not a cell. Blair programmed it to predict The Thing's predation on Earth's human poulation, hence the results it provides at the end of the simulation.
- May be so, but the Thing ACTS like a macro version of a virus. Consider: Viruses invade cells, take them over from the inside out, force the cell to take on a normal appearance to fool the immune system, and then without warning the cell explodes into a monstrous form, spewing viruses to invade nearby cells. Viruses can even go "latent" - hiding inside healthy-looking cells until just the right moment. The Thing, at its heart, is a virus-like parasite.
- There are more variants to both sides of this than can be counted. It's one of those "ask 100 people and you'll get 100,000 opinions" kind of topics...
- Maybe the prequel will address this issue?
- Although the prequel does not directly address what the thing was doing on the ship, background information provided by the director reveals that it was indeed a prisoner on the ship, and managed to escape, and subsequently kill, everyone on board.
- Since those scenes were deleted, let's not let the director of a bad not-remake of this film decide details about it. The only person that can do that is John Carpenter.
- In the original short story, Who Goes There? it's natural form is a blue guy with three malevolent red eyes and tentacles on it's scalp.
- The things convert living cells into other Thing cells. The precise mechanisms for this is unknown, but quantum computing is suspected to be involved. The original Thing could have simply been an alien who contracted a disease of some sort.
- The giant tumor with the eyes and "tongue flower" is the Thing's true form. It's an ambulatory form of cancer.
- Nothing would evolve that had such an aggressive yet immobile body. Cancer wouldn't either, given cancer is a malfunction in DNA that causes proliferation, not shapeshifting.
- The Thing's true form is a single cell. Rather unassuming and unimpressive.
- Every Thing form you see is the Things' true form.
- The Thing was originally designed as a cute little pet that could adapt to any living condition and wouldn't die on little Grrkekk's... And then it evolved.
- The prequel does give glimpses of what the thing looked like in the ice, but background information given in various cast and crew interviews state that the thing does not have a true form, per say. Or if it did, it was long before it reached earth.
Being uninjured at the end, he was the one that lived after the fires died down.
- Jossed by Carpenter's planned ending, which has Mac being the only survivor.
- Jossed by the game, which has Mac having survived.
- Confirmed by the prequel that says The Thing can't emulate earrings. Which Childs has.
- But confirmed in an Alternate Continuity comic book series by Dark Horse, Climate of Fear.
- Partially confirmed by Carpenter saying he considers his original ending noncanon.
- And then Jossed when you are forced to admit Carpenter's ultimate statements on this film: the ambiguities are deliberate. There isn't meant to be an obvious answer.
- Doesn't really make much sense. Especially considering that one being assimilating another has to inject some of their biomass into the target. So, they're essentially all clones. Note that Palmer's blood seems to try to go back to him once it's back on the floor. It looks like it's trying to get away from Mac and "go back home". Also, there are little details, like Palmer and Norris looking at each other when someone suggest that Mac has been infected, as if to say "I didn't infect him, did you?".
- Though for a lesser version of this WMG that little detail actually backs it up — it'd mean the infected can't sense if someone else is infected. They/it wouldn't have the problems the humans have (the infected knows who infected them and who they've infected. Well, baring other wild mass guesses), but the right timing of humans finding and destroying Thing-incarnations could presumably set up a situation where one Thing-incarnation is genuinely uncertain if someone else is a Thing-incarnation or human.
- Bennings Thing tried to talk, but it came out in as a Thing howl. He also doesn't attack. He just runs outside and assumes a submissive posture. Perhaps he was trying to say "Alright! You caught me! Please, let me live! I won't assimilate anyone else!"
- Alternatively, it could be prime proof it doesn't understand - even barring the prequel, it's absorbed several humans already and could have used their intelligence - the Thing could have pleaded out of desperation, but it doesn't.
- More accurately, the Things understood humans all too well. They knew that if they outed themselves, the others would torch them, rather than listening to what they have to say.
- Or it could be that it just hadn't finished assimilating his body to the point that it could speak.
- The fact it actively sabotages attempts to detect it says otherwise, but this may be the Thing itself influencing their behavior if the theory that the Things aren't aware that they're infected up to a point is true.
- If you look at it, it makes sense: until The Thing gets "Outted", it acts perfectly like a human. Why? Because it isn't in it's best interest to "override" the brain, so it basically lets the duplicate of the victim's nervous system behave as it normally would. Once outted, or in danger, The Thing overrides the nervous system and goes into active mode, which, unlike passive mode, has no actual intelligence. In active mode, it has only two prerogatives: kill and/or infect everyone nearby, and survival, when it can't infect it's intended victims. But once it goes into active mode, it can't go back: It infects, it remains in passive mode until it's no longer able to hide it's identity, and then goes active. Active is a last ditch effort: once outted it just tries to infect as many others as it can, and last as long as it can before it can be killed.
- This is really less WMG than simple observation of the Thing's behaviors. It is one of the few statements in this section that doesn't have any real discussion ongoing about it. Most Thing fans simply accept this as basic Thing biology.
- Nope, the thing can attack and then absorb and perfectly imitate creatures. It makes zero sense if the shapeshifting alien creature can only actually shapeshift ONCE into a horror. The dog-Thing in the kennel wanted to absorb the dogs, turn them into more dog-things, and then it would've returned to its original form had it the time. Otherwise why damage them so much attacking them? It's clear from when Bennings is taken that it can heal whatever damage is done once it's finished. Bennings' hands were not complete yet, and had it had the time they would've reverted into perfect copies of his original hands, just like the rest of him.
- Actually it doesn't make sense, and the movie seems to make it clear (at least to me) that the Things are individually sentient. Otherwise, how would it have shredded the blood packs? How was Blair making a space-ship in his basement? In the end, Thing!Blair was clearly in human form, infecting people left and right. How could any of the Things operate if it's completely insentient?
- That doesn't explain The Thing that infected one of the crewmembers, instead of rationally attacking or hiding, runs out in a blind panic and simply screeches at MacCready until he's incinerated.
- My thinking on this is the main reasons the thing would stay in human disguise as much as possible are threefold. One, once an identity is compromised, the jig is up. Even if it can revert back to a human form, that disguise is only useful if all witnesses are eliminated before word gets out. Second, given it can split itself apart, skitter away at high speeds, spit acid, what-have-you, going full abomination is just better for fighting or escaping without the entire host biomass being burnt away. Third, reconstructing a human identity (again assuming it's doable) also requires disposing of any clothing discarded on flipping into "go" mode, replacing whatever parts of the outfit might've been damaged, and such. It presumably can't mimic clothing. That said, there is a debate over whether the infection method is actually canon, or whether the other infectees were assimilated conventionally off-screen. For the "overt assimilation only" theory to be true, by necessity they'd have to be able to reconstruct an identity after assimilation.
- Throughout the film, Childs has a navy blue parka, which he never changes throughout the movie. However, when he shows up for the final scene, he is wearing a beige coat. A necessary change in outfit for Childs' visibility in that scene? Maybe. But given the level of detail in other parts of the film, maybe not quite. Also, Blair had a beige coat that, under frost and firelight, could easily match the color of Childs' coat in the final scene. Furthermore, Blair is one of the first to be infected, through contact with the Thing's cells. Of course, Childs suddenly changing coats is not sufficient evidence In-Universe to convict, so to speak. At this point, Mac only has a few things to go on - the finer details of Childs' story explaining his absence from the climactic shootout, and Childs' reaction to the bottle of whiskey that Mac was drinking. Childs' excuse is basically that he saw a shadowy figure in the generator room holding a flare and went outside to investigate, and sure enough, we saw an unidentified figure leaving the compound earlier in such a manner as Childs described himself, followed by the lights turning out, as well as a shot of the open door Childs was guarding. All fine - except for the fact that the generator room was a)underground, b)not visible from the door Childs was guarding, and c)located such that Childs would have to leave his post to go inside to investigate it. Mac knows all of this, but needs one final strand of proof. And so he gives Childs the whiskey bottle, knowing that if he reacts poorly to the offer (remember, to stay in character, Childs can't know whether Mac is the Thing or not), Childs is in the clear and the Thing succumbed to the fire. Childs accepts it without blinking and takes a swig. Mac chuckles, because now he knows that his enemy is not more than two feet away from him.
- And that's why we call it wild mass guessing. Childs NEVER SAYS HE WAS IN THE GENERATOR ROOM. He says 'Thought I saw Blair...got lost in the storm.' That's it. John Carpenter himself said there are no clues to Childs or Mac Ready being Things in this scene. It's all been made up by fans desperate to latch onto anything.
- The whole point of this long-running discussion on Outpost 31
- Semi-confirmed. Kate's nowhere to be seen, and Lars gets himself shot.
- Both The thing and the symbiotes take over their hosts and feed off of them. While the Symbiotes leave behind dry husks, the Thing takes every cell of the host.
- Their weaknesses to fire is also similar.
- They can also split into individual sentient pieces for both survival and reproduction.
- That's either the stupidest thing ever, or the most badass idea on this page.
- The American team in the '82 film never found any body at that location when they were conducting their investigation. Kate survived, perhaps she fled to the Russian camp to await rescue or managed to get a signal out for a rescue team. Or, perhaps she manages to make it to the American camp only to find it torched and everyone dead.
- Kate has no idea whether or not the dozer she got into has enough fuel to make it to any of of the other outposts. Nor does she know where these outposts even are. And whose to say Carter-thing wasn't lying just to get her into the dozer and no russian base exists? She's toast...or iced.
- Following in the foot steps of Aliens and Predators, there will be a sequel following the events of the prequel and the '82 film, and it will be entitled 'The Things'.
- Just look at how nervous it acts when it assimilates a human! The movie opens up with a couple of Norwegian blokes trying to gun down The Thing in its dog form. It seeks help from the Americans who unwittingly take it in, only to lock it up with the other dogs. The Thing thinks it's safe until the dogs begin to pick up on its unnaturalness and attack it. Then, feeling threatened, The Thing has no choice but to fight back. When the men torch it with a flame thrower, it realizes that it has made a dire mistake in trying to befriend them. Since it can't simply crawl around in its true form and risk being attacked again, it must assimilate one of the humans. Naturally, they don't take too kindly to this and wage war on the beleaguered extraterrestrial. We later learn that its crashed ship and frozen body were unearthed by the Norwegians, who then proceeded to thaw it out of a block of ice. The Thing woke up, terrified and confused on a planet it didn't recognize, and the humans panicked and tried to kill it. In a last ditch effort to escape, The Thing absorbed a dog and fled. Unfortunately, the survivors of its reluctant rampage were out for blood and have been chasing it across the tundra ever since. Further evidence is revealed toward the end when MacReady and the others discover that it was attempting to build a ship out of parts from the helicopters. It was trying to escape. Poor Thing has no idea that its biological properties are capable of massive genocide on earth, it's only trying to save its own hide.
- Sort of. It's not acting out of maliciousness, but normal animal self-interest. It wants to survive and spread, otherwise it would have just stayed in the dog body.
- Can be taken either way in the sequel. The Thing kills one Norwegian, but it may be because it knew they were going to kill it one way or another.
- The Thing can survive for thousands of years in ice, so it's possible that it has a very long lifespan. Therefore, one can presume that the week or so it takes for both films to transpire is the blink of an eye to it. It's like this: It just woke up, it's ride is trashed, it's on a strange planet, it's still tripping balls on whatever it had as a "party favor" before stealing the ship, and it thinks those humans are tasty animals from the home planet. It's similar to someone on PCP freaking out and trying to eat a rock. All it is is hungry and scared.
- Serious research flub involving the nature of the Things. They're not eating earth creatures. They're converting them into other Things. Also, it's unlikely that the Things would have anything to do with drugs. Drugs are toxins. They cause the reactions they do by destroying cells in the body and screwing with the body's biochemistry. Each cell in a Thing "body" is actually a Thing, itself. They wouldn't allow themselves to take drugs, any more than they would burn themselves.
- He just lost an earring somewhere somewhere in the ship in all the confusion and was just too exhausted and dumbfounded to get his thoughts clear when Kate pointed out he picked the 'wrong' ear.
- The inhuman screams when he's torched says otherwise.
- She doesn't know the way to the American camp, but drives around the ice pack for a while in the snowcat looking for the Russian base (that may or may not exist) before seeing the helicopter on its last trip back to the Outpost 31 and following it. On the way, she gets trapped by penguins, which explains the delay in her arrival.
- When the creature first broke out of the ice, it attacked a human in broad daylight with witnesses, but once it attacks Juliette and Edvard it begins to display more creative means of attack. It's able to clean up after itself, commit sabotage and operate technology beyond human comprehension. By the time the events of the 1982 film roll around, it is capable of more complex tasks. It's capable of shifting blame away from itself, it remembers tactics used against it and devises countermeasures and even retrofit alien technology to meet its own ends. From this, it can be assumed that the Thing either absorbs brain power from its host or it has a collective memory of the experiences of its victims.
- It would make more sense to say Vice Versa. Aliens have acidic blood, the perfect self defense mechanism against a creature that attacks cells.
- Not quite. The aliens' acidic blood (if it can be called that- just because it's what comes out of its skin when it is cut doesn't mean it serves the same function, it could in fact be little more than a highly developed survival mechanism) is most likely made up of cells. Sure, in theory its acidic blood could melt a Thing in its natural state, but they as they are living organisms (bio-engineered by... well, the Engineers, but still) they are presumably made up of cellular tissue. Likewise, as the acidic substance they bleed it part of their biology, it would be reasonable to assume that it too is made up of cells (particularly unusual ones, but cells nonetheless). Therefore, a particularly clever Thing could infect an Alien via the single-cell-assimilation method if by nothing else. As its cells will imitate those of the Alien (be it from single-cell-assimilation, biting an infected host, or whatever) it starts with the more accessible parts of the body, the skin and/or internal organs if there are any- once it's created perfect imitations of those, it'll have an easier time withstanding the acidic blood, and it'll eventually be able to take that over as well. Once the assimilation is complete, the alien-thing will then be able to go on to infect other aliens, as it has the biological capabilities of its host, meaning it can perform the assimilation via hostile takeover method. Alternatively, the Thing could just infect an egg, then live out the life cycle of an alien (possibly infecting the chestburster's host in the process, and allowing that victim to go on to assimilate other unsuspecting people who think they're dead). Once it's grown to full capacity it can start assimilating other aliens. Really, Alien Vs. Predator is nothing, once the Thing gets involved, they're both doomed.
- It would make more sense to say Vice Versa. Aliens have acidic blood, the perfect self defense mechanism against a creature that attacks cells.
- We see that the Engineers had been experimenting with... something. The Black Goo is capable of creating biological weapons and is heavily implied to be responsible for creating the Xenomorphs from Alien. Perhaps The Thing was another project of theirs, one which went wrong. They tried to create a weapon- the result was a shape-shifting monstrosity, it attacked one Engineer, took it over, then another. Before long, the Engineers were split into factions, trying to figure out who was an imitation. One of the survivors then went into cryosleep, but was infected some time after. Thousands of years later, an astronaut stumbled across the Engineer-Thing's cryo pod and woke him up. He then tried to assimilate him, only to find it was a robot. He then went for the others, and infected a few of his human companions, while one human escaped. The Engineer-Thing then got into his pilot's seat and started to fly to Earth, hoping to assimilate life-forms there, only for his vessel to be shot down when another ship crashed into it. The Engineer-Thing then attempted to corner and assimilate the last surviving human, but she distracted him with a formidable menace in the form of a giant squid-like monstrosity. She escaped from the planet, while the Engineer-Thing assimilated the squid-like monster who had taken it over, and gave birth to a new type of alien.
Because Kate is our protagonist, however, there are some clues to back it up. Firstly, she touches Thing Blood when she finds the fillings, allowing the infection to begin. Over the course of the film, Kate is slowly infected, transforming more and more into a Thing. Now, Things clearly do not have a hive mind, and Kate is still attacked by Edvard!Thing and Sander!Thing, who may not even recognize her as one of their kind. Now, the ending of the movie has been debated a lot, especially with the very silly Thing putting the earring back in the wrong ear. Kate sees this and now, fully a Thing, blows him away rather than risking him doing something equally dumb and blowing their cover in the Russian base. This is why she isn't seen in the original, nor are the Russians heard of. She simply kills them all, and has already made her way back to civilization before the first movie began. How's that for a sufficiently bleak ending?
- Except that might not have been thing blood. The crowns might just have gotten some blood from the wearer on them. Given that the thing will defend itself on a cellular level, why leave little bits of itself behind when it never exhibited this behavior before? If it was something else then it might be more feasible...
- Jossed, as there were several attempts to film his death scene. The final Blair-Thing was also supposed to explode out of Nauls's body, but they couldn't get the special effects to work in time. A lot of the gore on the final Thing belonged to Nauls, though.
The one from the 1951 movie was following the ship from the 1982 movie. It crashed in the Arctic, while the Thing crashed in the Antarctic. It was thawed out 31 years before the Thing was unearthed by the Norwegians. Because it couldn't speak English it caused a ruckus. It may have also tried to kill everyone, because it thought they were infected.
- The only flaw with this idea is the general timeframe of the crashes in relation to each other- the 1951 alien was implied to have only crashed a day before the movie started, the 1982 alien had been buried there for a hundred thousand years. However, it might be that the first Thing had picked up a trace of some sort from the other vessel and knew it was somewhere on one of the ends of Earth's axis. By accident it checked the wrong end and crashed.
The ways Childs acts for a good portion of the film, staying fairly calm even when confronted with some nasty situations, not to mention the "Perfect Copy" question, means that he is likely familiar with these sorts of situations. That is because he is the main "Thing" and is infecting the others with his Thing-bits in order to play some fun mind-games with everyone, like it's some sort of hobby. Unlike the other Things, the Childs-Thing has a huge amount of self-control and doesn't go crazy or act on survival instinct like the others. Childs is one of the more featured characters in the film, like the dog was at the start. The final scene where Childs and MacReady meet up is the Childs-Thing giving cheers to such a fun game. Both of them know who is and isn't infected, but the moment has overtaken them and they know it's over.
How does she not age after 30 years? I dunno, Subspace.
The melding plague subverts and modifies biological and technological machinery, melding people into one another. When a person accidentally fell into the cage holding the alien grub, he was ingested by it, shortly afterwords the grub grew a human voice and vocal cords on its side.
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8faq5amdK30 could be the result of The Thing getting into someone's Sinatra collection
- One minor quib. There are no scenes in the movie where someone gets struck or splattered by the Thing without being infected.
In fact, I'd go as far to say that the gestalt entity possesses no centralized nerve system. Every act is a result of a multitude of choices that each organ, tissue, and cell makes on its own. That is how it can convincingly imitate the personality of its victims while also acting on its instinct. The brain it imitates is making choices that the rest of its body does not necessarily agree with and vice versa. This simultaneously increases and endangers its chances of survival depending on the environment.
- The Blob destroys the Thing, without any problems whatsoever. The Blob absorbs whatever organic matter it touches (and possibly inorganic matter; while it was absorbing the restaurant at the end, an argument can be made that it's made of wood). When the Blob meets the Thing, the Thing cells are prevented from replicating/assimilating, and it just gets eaten.
- The Thing assimilates The Blob. Whatever living creature the Thing comes in contact with, it can assimilate. When it meets the Blob, it slowly takes over, eventually "becoming" the Blob. Whether this is a smart tactical move is up in the air: on the one hand, the Blob is impervious to all but extreme cold, and can squeeze past nearly any barrier. On the other hand, it can't trick humans into thinking it's one of them. While this may seem pointless now ("why trick them when it can eat them?"), if it's goal is to utilize our technology, blending in at least somewhat would be a great asset.
- They don't mix. When the Blob rolls onto the Thing and they both try to do their business on the other, it doesn't work. The only creature immune to the Thing is the Blob, and the only creature immune to the Blob is the Thing. When they touch, the Blob recoils like it does from the cold, and the Thing freaks out like it did during the blood test.
- Going by what's shown of the creatures in both movies, I'd say the Blob would lose. It is essentially a gigantic single-celled organisn, so that makes it very vulnerable to assimilation as all the Thing needs is to reach the nucleus and it's over. Plus, the Blob's digestion is not instantaneous, it takes at least a few minutes for its enzymes to dissolve an adult human, and the Thing's biomass is probably a bit hardier to digest.
The Thing doesn't use drugs or alcohol, as these are toxins.
Character who have unambiguously become a Thing are also quite sober and clear-headed before their true nature is revealed.
When Blair attempted to "reason" his way out of isolation, he was lucid and calm. ("I feel much better now") This is consistent with the Hugh Mann trope
This WMG implies that both Childs and Mac are human in the final scene, and that Mac offered Childs liquor as a test. A test which Childs passed.
- NOTE: I don't actually believe this, but thought it would be fun.
- So when Fuchs goes to MacReady about Blair's diaries, he inadvertently mislabels the camp's Snowcat as a "Thiokol" when it's really a Bombardier Skidozer. Fair enough— all of them are exhausted and bound to make mistakes— but a quick search reveals that the now-defunct company Thiokol had extensive R&D ties with the American military, and unlike Garry or MacReady, there's nothing to suggest Fuchs has ever been anything other than a civilian biologist, making it odd that a military contractor like Thiokol is the first thing that pops into his head.
- That doesn't mean anything by itself though, right? Except that when the Thing goes isolates Fuchs, it's also trying to frame MacReady with the shredded long johns he finds in the snow, and something happens to change that plan. Mac and Fuchs are consistently one of the smartest duos in camp, but if it was concurrently afraid of Fuchs finding a way to detect it, it could have killed him and just left MacReady's underwear there and killed two birds with one stone. No, something goes awry and Fuchs fails to take the bait, forcing the Thing move the long johns to Macready's oil furnace.
- Remember the Norwegians from the beginning of the film? We never see their bodies after the autopsy, so presumably they went to storage. All Fuchs has to do is swap his glasses out on one of the corpses, leave the immolated body out in the snow, and fall back to a bolt-hole somewhere near the camp. If it was the pilot, he wouldn't even have to burn the corpse.
- But why do all this? If you look at it with the idea that Soviet intelligence somehow got wind of the Norwegian camp excavating a mysterious object from the snow (moving all that thermite in particular must have taken months of preparation), suddenly a lot of other puzzle pieces fall into place, like why the radio won't work on a day where the weather's good enough to fly around for miles. If they had a plant in one or both outposts, it would be that much easier to keep tabs on the excavation, and limit outside help by interfering with the radio's signal strength. As soon as he realized they'd found an alien, Fuchs could've discreetly sneaked in and boosted the signal to a Soviet away team somewhere on the continent during one of Windows' many lapses in attention, then waited for the right opportunity to escape.
- If you want to get REALLY paranoid about the rest of the team, remember how Copper was the one who wanted to visit the Norwegian camp? He was also the one who insisted on bring back their research, and pegged exactly what the empty ice block was from with no other evidence. Now, when they bring the Norwegian-Thing back to base, who's the shocked Fuchs looking at? And who does he later try to prevent being tied up? Copper.
- It also works because it's likely that Carpenter was never planning on making Fuchs a Thing. Whether to get around an NC-17 rating because of nudity or because the plan was always for Norris and Palmer. No matter what, Fuchs was always going to die in a way that fairly tasteful.
The Thing was trying to get back to its home planet, or back into space, for its own reasons. Unfortunately, its extremely ruthless about this and is perfectly willing to assimilate anyone it can should it be possible that doing so would help it escape.
Either for medical use or as a source of meat for consumption.
A Thing can evidently grow by assimilating more bodies into its own - the dead Dog-Thing has the composite mass of all the assimilated dogs, and the final Blair-Thing is far larger than a human. The autopsies revealed apparently normal organs and other bodily structures, which could hypothetically be covered from a living Thing, and perfectly replicating an organism presumably includes all internal systems.
Meat and organs would be extracted from 'tame' Things, and when the individual's body tissue got too low to be useful, it could be given a new organism to assimilate into itself (replenishing its mass) or encouraged to replicate a new organism. Bam, infinite meat!
When the Dog-Thing arrives at the outpost, it was terrified for its own safety, being in a small vulnerable form and chased by some persistent "predators". This particular Thing was probably one of the first infections to happen in the prequel, only it happened off screen and the newly formed Dog-Thing simply waited out as much of the chaos as it could until Lars realized that the dog was infected and began his hunt. So when it arrives at the outpost, it plays the role of a dog as its survival instincts would demand, and tries to look normal by brushing up to Bennings. Then the shooting starts again and the Thing flees, and once the chaos ends, the Thing is still scared out of its wits, frantically thinking how it's going to survive and spread with all these dangerous humans around.
In comes Clarke with a gentle voice, and calms the "dog" down, displaying the complete opposite of hostility or suspicion. Even though its instincts tell it to imitate and spread its infection, it refuses to do so to Clarke, since he was the only genuinely non-hostile human it had come across so far (it was still suspicious of the rest of the crew, even if none of them were outwardly hostile). Clarke didn't even lock the dog up with the others at first, opting to let it wander the camp, or simply staying with it like any loving dog-owner would (giving it plenty of opportunities to infect him). And it was this kindness that had the Thing deciding that it wouldn't assimilate Clarke under any circumstances apart from self-defense. Even the Palmer/Norris/Blair Things never sought to infect Clarke (who clearly is kind of a loner preferring to spend time alone with the dogs than anyone else, and would make an easy target), since they were made from the Dog-Thing's cells and had part of its psyche. Even as Clarke became just as suspicious of the Things as the rest of the humans, it never tried to infect him out of respect for the kindness he had shown it.
- Strangely wholesome. The Thing indeed never made a move against Clarke, the other prevailing theory is that it wanted the others to suspect him but that seems much more complex than necessary.
Which is why it has No Biochemical Barriers.