Predictions for the final season
- Khyber and Vilgax will form a Big Bad Duumvirate
- Kevin and Ben will join forces once more
- The final episode will be a Tear Jerker on a grand scale, and it will make it clear that we won't be seeing Ben 10 again.
The new voice actors for the aliens will be...
will return as an antagonist in Omniverse
Hey, if he was shown breaking out of his nanite orb
, logical conclusion is that he will return. And the Null Void is a part of the Ben 10 franchise's wing of The Multiverse
- Which will require another team-up with Rex and Providence since they're the experts on nanites. It would be pretty sweet to see Rex's abilities drawn in Wyatt-style and Generator Rex fans would be thrilled to see the team again.
And something Teen!Ben does fucks up the timeline for the worse, though nothing as bad as the other Bad Futures in the show, but the changes will make Paradox almost uncharacteristically very angry
. Bonus points if it's a Wham Episode
The first episode will pick up right where Ultimate Alien left off
With Ben using the true Omnitrix to fight Vilgax, as Vilgax was only wounded at the time.
Vilgax will go back to his former threat level.
And he'll actually lampshade
of his effectiveness over the course of the sequels, going back to something to be feared rather than just another rogue
- Clones may be involved.
- Well, now that he's put in an appearance, it looks pretty good for him: when it finally comes down to a confrontation between him and the bounty hunters sent to kill him, he makes a Curb-Stomp Battle of it with none of his AF/UA arsenal. That's pretty badass. Also, he's no longer covering that green band of ooziness around his head, and has his original voice back (I always thought the Blum version was more ominous-sounding than the merely gruff Remar version, but that's just me.) so it looks like they're really going for "original series Vilgax is back in town." Now, will that mean he's the ultimate threat again? I don't think so, with the new villains that are coming to the forefront. After the original series making him the ultimate evil, AF making him a recurring Rogues Gallery member, and UA having him Ganon-jack the Diagon arc, well... it's kind of someone else's turn. His turn to shine may come but we've got the Faction and the Incursions and maybe a Time War on our hands. I think it's gonna be someone else's turn for a while yet.
Which will be handwaved with the characters mentioning that the first series, Alien Force
, and Ultimate Alien
are in some sort of computer archives, though their accuracy is unreliable at best
There will be parallel universes.
It's called Ben 10 Omniverse.
My guess is that it will involve Alternate Continuity
versions of the show. Given this and the possibility to time travel, it may finally
go to explain the major continuity/character flaws of the series. Alternate universes we could see may include:
- The timeline of the original Ben 10,000.
- A Mirror Universe.
- The "Gwen 10" universe.
- Maybe Secret Saturdays universe? ..........You never know.
- Confirmed in Store 23 for a parallel universe....just not the ones listed above.
The Forever Knights will split into separate groups again.
After Sir George's death, the organization will fall into disarray and return to their own separate goals. They'll also hold Ben responsible for George's death.
Because we already have a Doctor Expy, why not have a Master Expy
- Does that make the Highbreed Dalek expies?
- The most recent episode seems to have set up Eon as an adversary to Paradox, though he's basically still himself as opposed to anyone Master-like.
Elena will return in the series.
She becomes a sort of Tsundere Femme Fatale
with nano-controlling powers.
Tara Strong is voicing 11-year-old Ben, Corey Burton has been confirmed to be in the show by Word of Derrick
, Bumper Robinson
is voicing Rook and Bloxx, and David Kaye
(yeeeess) will be voicing Khyber and Shocksquatch. Jeff Bennett
will probably appear due to how ubiquitous
he is, and maybe we'll even get Bill Fagerbakke and Tom Kenny
The future has got changed. Again.
The original "Ben 10K" future got changed when Alien Force came out. The "Ultimate Ben 10K" future has now got discarded due to interference from Dagon.
The "Ultimate Ben 10K" future is still canon.
Ben 10K mentions that Azmuth is really mad at him for something he did in between meeting his future self and meeting his past self
. Given Azimuth's dislike of the Ultimatrix, hacking the new Omnitrix to give it an Ultimate function would probably upset him.
- Jossed by both Word Of God and the episode where Eon return, showing the Ben 10,000 time resembling more like its incarnation in the original series.
- Well, actually, this theory can be confirmed, but only through alternate temporal existence. Cross-Time is canon, therefore, all of the games are in the canon multiverse of timelines. It wouldn't be a stretch to assume that Ultimate Ben 10,000 is still in the muliverse.
Khyber will be hijacked from his position of Big Bad
Because he's got an Evil Omnitrix
, which isn't likely going to be unnoticed unless Khyber is very
- confirmed, sort of; Khyber was working for Malware all along. While Malware is a new villain, he technically comes from the Original series era, so this could count as a Hijacked by Ganon case, sort of.
...But they won't be the Official Couple
- Then the red string is finally cut and their Romantic Plot Tumor finally dies? Huzzah!
- Jossed; they did came back, but they still are a couple (though said couple isn't as much mentionned as before).
Because he's got so much experience playing allegedly emotionless, incredibly logical villains
will voice a malevolent Galvanic-Mechamorph or technological being.
He likes being a supervillain
- Confirmed! In the pilot, he plays Malware, who is indeed an evil Galvanic Mechamorph. However, he's only appeared in a flashback so far, so whether he'll put in any further appearances is up in the air.
- Malware is going to appear in the Ben 10 Omniverse videogame.
- He also is the true Big Bad of season 1
- And Jennifer Nocturne will become his henchgirl.
Charmcaster will complete her halted Heel Face Turn
from Ultimate Alien
when she returns.
And if any writer still wants to use her as a villain, they can use the Charmcaster of 11-year old Ben's time period.
- Jossed; DJW stated that if she ever comes back, she'd be evil. He even referred to the fans who wanted her redeemed as "creepy", suggesting he thought of her redemption as a case of Draco in Leather Pants.
- While I can't say anything for his rather Jerkassy Fan Hater attitude, I will say that DJW actually was more detailed than this.
- First of all, it's not quite Jossed, as he was speaking hypothetically and he doesn't have total control over the show's writing. In other words, he's not the only Word Of God here.
- More importantly, he said she'd probably be a villain when she showed up because her Ultimate Alien self would likely be totally Retconned to having never existed (no home realm, no father she wanted back, etc.) and she'd be more like her Original Series self. He said he didn't think her becoming a "homicidal maniac who is obsessed with her father and from a race of magic space elves" worked at all, that it ruined everything that was special about her in the Original Series. He also felt that the Heel Face Turn being built to fell flat because this characterization of Charmcaster had been written to cross the Moral Event Horizon just a short while ago. Thus DJW said that she'd be a villain when she returned because she'd be reset to her original characterization and that they'd then "evolve that character from there" (his own words). So a Heel Face Turn isn't being completely ruled out in the future, just a Heel Face Turn for the Charmcaster fans wanted it to happen to (who will no longer exist.)
This series will be a bigger base breaker than the last two series.
I can't image the people who enjoyed them would like this more vanilla series. It follows an alone 16 and 11 year old Ben and puts a well liked romance by that portion of the fans on a bus.
- Conversely, however, the fans who hated UAF and its Kevin/Gwen "romance," their ensuing Spotlight-Stealing Squad status and Dwayne McDuffie obviously not caring about what he put out, and want a more fun series like the original series will love it. So it'd be about the same amount of base breaking, only this time the original series fans will be the ones enjoying the new one while the UAF fans kvetch about it.
- On the flip side a good portion fans of the original series liked the original for, well, "alternative reasons", and because of it won't like this new series because Gwevin is about as cannon as can be. Almost every fan of the original over UAF I've met via the internet disliked it because of the lack of "Bwen"
- This is really the only logical outcome. Each series has it's fans and haters, causing relitivly the same amount of base breaking but increased per series.
- Confirmed Soooooo much: this show ended up only breaking the base even more so far.
This series is the only true sequel to the Original Series' timeline.
- The only snag is that Kevin would have somehow redeemed himself in the sixteen years in between series. Otherwise, UAF are non-canon.
- Jossed; it has been confirmed by Derrick J. Wyatt himself that both AF and UA have canon elements that make it in Omniverse.
- In which Beast Boy gets the ability to turn into a Vulpimancer and an Arachnachimp.
- Doubt it will happen, but that would be fun.
- If this happens I demand that they continue it from where they left of in "Things Change."
Malware will be the Big Bad
And he will be able to stay one step ahead of Ben
many, many times.
- Alternatively Malware is the Big Bad of the past, and the Bigger Bad of the present.
- Partially confirmed; Predators and Prey reveals Malware had a part of responsability behind the creation of the Nemetrix.
- Actually, Malware was the Big Bad all along—Khyber was just The Dragon to Malware
There will only be one season of Omniverse
Lets have a look see...
- Ben 10: 4 seasons
- Alien Force: 3 seasons
- Ultimate Alien: 2 seasons.
Anyone else seeing a pattern.
- Jossed. Derrick has confirmed that the team has already gotten through most of four ten-episode seasons and are currently working on two more.
Will Harangue will appear.
He's start an anti-alien campaign to try to exile the aliens from Earth. And also have the public blame Ben 10 for having them amongst their midst.
Ben started frequenting TV Tropes after Ultimate Alien ended.
Due to the fact he uses the term "Monster Clown
" and extensively
uses the words "Big Bad
" to describe the perpetrator in the season premiere.
Verdona will appear, hoping that Gwen reconsiders being a full-on Anodite.
She'll become a Manipulative Bitch
and setting up many Xanatos Gambits
for this to happen.
There'll be an episode which explains Max and Verdona's marriage.
In the Ultimate Alien
episode, Max said he'll tell the kids about their eventual marriage "another time
King Viktor will appear.
- He will have Dr Vicktor's personnality resurfacing, leading to a Split Personnality and a fight between the two.
Eon will return.
- Confirmed! And he brought Professor Paradox with him.
Darkstar will appear.
- If he does, it better be as a Knight of Cerebus.
- Considering how Darkstar was frequently a Friendly Enemy after only two appearances as a true threat, they'll probably pull yet another Enemy Mine. Real Cerebus material would be the return of Aggregor, or Vilgax if he's handled right.
- True, but what I meant is I hope they won't recuce Darkstar to either a minor villain (like they did with Zombozo) or a goofier guy.
- If he does appear he'll be pretty upset to find out that Gwen moved.
Kevin is going to die
- Unlikely; this show is obviously intended to be more light-hearted, I will honestly be surprised if they even kill a character. Plus why would they kill a character Put on a Bus anyway?
- Um, that doesn't mean jack shit, ever heard of something called Cerebus Syndrome and Back for the Finale?
- I did. But seeing how Fan Dumb reacted when it happened in Alien Force, it seems unlikely they will dare follow that path in Omniverse... sadly. if they do however, I will be happily surprised (the Cerebus Syndrome, not Kevin's death).
- No, duh.
- In his human form.
- Still No, duh.
- Almost; he wanted to keep his arms on his wall as a trophy.
Gwen's new Lucky Girl-esque Anodite form was created out of modesty.
- Since the natural Anodite state is... natural-looking with no clothes albeit with little detail. Gwen realized this when she saw pictures of herself on Will Harangue's reports that claimed she was perverting the nation's youth with her alien nudity. While Gwen doesn't really care what Harangue thinks, it did make her self-conscious enough to alter her Anodite state to avoid scrutiny. That's also the reason that she wears clothing similar to her younger self as it makes the transition easier to do by minimizing the difference in her forms.
- Adding to this, Verdona might disapprove with Gwen's decision to wear "clothes".
- I always thought the Lucky Girl version was sort of an inbetween state. When she used her Anodite powers to their fullest, she was in danger of losing herself (which is why Kevin had to talk her out of singlehandedly whomping the Highbreed.) What if Anodite Lucky Girl is just her going as far as she can safely? (You'll notice how it's not nearly the same Game Breaker her Anodite form was in AF/UA.)
Young Gwen and Kevin will have serious Foe Yay
in the past.
- It's the perfect Author's Saving Throw. After a few battles and maybe an Enemy Mine situation the two will start to connect and Gwen will begin to lay the groundwork by Kevin's Heel Face Turn in Alien Force. Kevin will eventually choose to save her life even though it gets him captured and sent to the Null Void where he meets Kwarrel. Fast forward a few years and suddenly their familiarity with each other won't seem as out of place. Bonus points if Kevin references the "I'll follow you anywhere" line in a mocking Call Forward: ex. "What, so I'll follow you?"
- Man, I hope so. I always thought it would be awesome to have a Kevin-centered episode taking place in both timelines like the Malware episodes, and in the past you'd see how Evil Kevin got himself into the situation that's just caught up with Good Kevin in the present. And evil Kevin was just so cool anyway. I think when it comes to trying to make the AF changes make sense, you flirt with Voodoo Shark and by this point are just beating a dead horse, though.
- While wandering around Bellwood when Ben's in school, Rook will meet an attractive, slightly geeky girl who he has a Meet Cute with. She will turn out to have a problem only he and Ben can help with and after the smoke clears Rook unknowingly agrees to a date with her. Because it's not like fanfic writers won't think up the same plot, right? In a deconstruction of the casual view the previous series took with Max's relationships with alien women, they will face significant problems from Harangue and others that do not approve of the relationship, but decide to go through with it anyway with the support of the Tennysons.
- More or less jossed; Bros In Space reveals Rook already has a girlfriend (and apparently only has eyes for her), and Showdown Part 2 has him mentionning that human girls aren't attractive by his species' standards, making that possibility unlikely.
- How about the cat-girl that tried to take over his mind? Foe Yay and all... or maybe Fistina?
Classic Ben will come to the future
It will probably involve Malware.
To expand upon the above theory...
He will meet Julie, who will think he's cute and annoying at the same time.
- So, basically the same way she feels about Present!Ben?
Khyber is the alien version of Kraven from Spider Man
Don't tell me I was the only one who got the reference.
- Agreed. The similarities are obvious. Though probably too a reference to the Predator.
- Meh. It's a well-known villain type that none of those three franchises invented.
Word Of God
says that Primus no longer exists. Here's a way to write it out. The Omnitrix Ben gets in the original series, Alien Force
and, by extension, The Ultimatrix, is a prototype of The Omnitrix that Ben has now. Now then, usually the prototype is larger and clunkier then the newer model. The original needed
Primus because it couldn't hold all of the DNA that the Omnitrix used. The newer version probably has
all of the DNA that was on Primus. Essentially, making Primus a useless rock. Call in the Death Star rip-off to blow it up
. There you go. Primus is now retconned.
- Jossed; you really thought they would bother with an explanation? Nah, they are just classifying Primus as Canon Discontinuity and saying the episode with it never happened.
- Actually, this troper thought that when the universe got destroyed and recreated, Ben probably forgot to include Primus as one of the places that needed to be restored. Hence forth, Primus no longer exists. Just a thought.
- They could have done that, but DJW quite clearly stated they were just doing Canon Discontinuity with Primus.
- Thing is, Primus was mentioned a lot in the series, and one recurring character called it home. It's easy to say "Oh, yeah, that doesn't exist anymore" when someone asks you, but in practice, it's gonna open plot holes wide enough for a Weight Watchers meeting for Humungousaurs (Vaxasaurians?) to fit through if they suddenly start writing as it if never was there - keep in mind the overwhelming majority of viewers aren't devoted enough to have sought out interviews, etc. The writers know by now that every last one of the changes that were introduced in a "pretend it was always that way, Viewers Are Morons and will never notice!" manner generated lasting hate, to the point that half of the purpose of Ultimate Alien was Author's Saving Throw efforts. So, either it won't ever matter, or Primus will return after all, or, if DJW has a storyline in mind that needs Primus to not exist, something will happen onscreen that doesn't render it new-Kevin level WTF-errific to anyone who has seen the Primus episodes but hasn't happened upon his statement.
- I know... but so far Derrick J. Wyatt doesn't seem really more concerned with that sort of problem than Dwayne McDuffie was accused to be.
- In practice, it seems to not be as bad as we feared. We are making a bigger deal of the Primus retcon than The Powers That Be (go on, name one thing to happen in this series that couldn't under previous series' rules of how the Omnitrix worked. And if there were any, viewers would probably chalk it up to it being a new model.) And for an episode that's also non canon anymore, Ben 10,000 Returns seems to be the inspiration for the version of Eon we meet and not his original appearance. (C'mon, he's still an evil alternate future Ben and longtime offscreen foe of Paradox who has lightsaber-wielding ninja Mooks. He's got a new VA, yes... the same one the Ben 10K we meet at the very end has!) So far, it seems less like the whole universe had an extensive overhaul and more like the things The Powers That Be consider clutter just won't show up.
If Hex returns in an episode...
Charmcaster will be featured in the episode flashback opener.
- Then Gwen is going to show up as well and bring Kevin.
Ben and Rook will fight Tyrac the Tyrant.
Come on, he's a guy who managed to stage a coup without ever leaving his cell
- Considering how the show is going so far, I doubt they will. But I agree that if they do, it'd be awesome
Ben and ALIEN X rebuilt the universe WRONG
They didn't call this series Omniverse and then have Ben rebuild the entire universe without it being a major plot point. Since the Multiverse was already confirmed several times over the span of the series this must have done something unique, quite possibly merging all the currently known multiverses into one.
Seriously, we have Ester who has shown up, Julie is confirmed to appear as well, and from what I heard, a later episode ends with Ben having a Tetramand fiancée against his will
. Not to mention DJW suggested there might be other girls. Ben is quite on his way to end up with his own harem.
- Cash and JT will be completely jealous.
- It'll actually turn out to be galactic law that after all the heroic deeds he's done, including saving the universe multiple times, Ben has to have a harem.
- In which case...
The next addition to Ben's harem will be a pure villain.
- And it won't be funny. Think Michael Morningstar in the two or so episodes in which he was actually a threat. She wants Ben as her property as well as unimaginable power, crushing the lesser races, and unlimited rice pudding. Depending where on the Cerebus Rollercoaster we are, either I Have You Now, My Pretty will make a Malware-class villain even scarier, or will be the one humanizing trait of a Charmcaster-class one: Like with her and her father, Even Evil Has Loved Ones, but that doesn't mean evil's not evil.
- Princess Attea maybe? Or a redesigned Elena Valadis?
- Unbelievably, right on all counts! Minus Elena. As of The Frogs of War, Attea's crushing on Ben as Bullfrag, and even gives him (in human form) a goodbye "kiss" and a wink! But thinking he's cute doesn't mean she's any less villainous, or be tricked/distracted into doing something dumb; she pretty much leaves with everything she wanted.
Ben will gradually get more mature again as the show will go on
His partnership will force him to learn act serious again, and he will gradually prove he deserves his reputation. Hopefully, he will stop acting like a moron once and for all this time.
- As we've seen up to Malefactor, this seems to be the case with Present!Ben actually saying that being a hero isn't about fame, and actually trying to do what the people want even if it isn't what he wants.
The first time Ben becomes Kickin Hawk...
will report they saw "a chicken! A giant chicken!
" They've already made one Warner Bros.
- Okay, Jossed for his first appearance, but still possible for when he actually shows up in public.
The reason the new Omnitrix doesn't work for Ben...
Is because it has a more advanced AI and feels Ben is disrespectful to it. Thus why one of the only times he's got the alien he wanted was when he said "you win", it perceived that as 'good enough' and decided to throw him a bone.
- Might be interesting if they bothered to reveal it.
- Alternatively, Ben's just a bit dense. The beginning of "Many Happy Returns" shows him clearing picking Rath's icon while believing it was XLR 8. Chances are, his whole issue so far has just been that he's still not gotten to realize which face is which.
Ben's laid-back attitude is the result of the Ultimate Enemy finale.
Ben was sorely tempted by the power of the sword of Ascanlon and Vilgax's prodding
into going full-on Knight Templar
and remaking the universe according to his own morality. It took Julie
to get him to fully let go of the idea and that unnerved Ben enough to adopt his current demeanor. His reasoning is that being too serious leads to becoming like George, the Forever Knights and Colonel Rozum
. It's canon that Ben adopts his goofier persona to deal with the stress of being a Kid Hero
and he's overcompensating in Omniverse
; Max is aware of this and is more lenient than he ordinarily would be with a subordinate even if said subordinate is his grandson. He assigned Rook partially to keep an eye on Ben's mental state as well as being a partner to him since Gwen and Kevin wouldn't be around to support Ben. For all intents and purposes Ben is a partially self-made Child Soldier
struggling to deal with a huge amount of responsibility and expectations that are on him and his temptation at the end of UA shows a desire to "fix" the universe that could go terribly wrong.
- Okaaaaay, I dislike Ben's personnality in Omniverse, but if THAT's the official justification, I would LOVE it; this would definitely be interesting to study.
- This is also why Ben let his relationship with his Julie get so bad, he's fully aware that being with him is stressful and dangerous. He tried to slowly drive her away with bad behavior and neglect. Julie knows what he was doing and this is why she wasn't angrier with him in "Rules of Engagement." Now she's just one less thing to worry about (in her mind.) Ben's flirting with random girls like Aster? All part of the plan.
In addition to being Magister, Max is also the chef for the Earth-based Plumbers.
Which is why he's seen cooking in so many scenes. He finds it relaxing after putting up with Ben's antics all day.
- Wait, this isn't canon?
- Or close enough. Whether anyone actually eats his cooking is another question.
The Plumbers' Helpers will return with a grudge against the Forever Knights.
- Helen and Manny specifically, with Alan reluctantly being dragged along. They've quit the Plumbers and are now hunting down what's left of the Knights after Pierce's murder, regardless of the collateral damage. Expect much angsting on Ben's part about fighting his friends while Rook is determined to hunt down the rogue Plumbers.
- Would be an interesting episode.
Ben,Rook,Gwen,Kevin and Grandpa Max will team up to become a Five Man Band in one episode.
- Let's hope to God that this happens
- Sort of confirmed; they do team up altogether in Showdown Part 2.
Kevin's fallen off the wagon again
- Look at the evidence dark markings around the eyes, more jerkish behavior, and the change in fashion style.
- So glad I'm not the only one to notice! Actually, that would make for a decent episode, Ben and Rook head out there after Gwen figures out what's going on and calls for some help.
- I beg your pardon, I'm not sure I understand what you meant by "fallen off the wagon". Could you please explain?
- He's back to draining energy, just not from living beings. At first.
Expanding on the above post reasons why Kevin may be absorbing energy.
- He undercover trying to infiltrate a group of Osmosian terrorists hiding out on earth.
- He's not doing it on purpose. He's accidently absorbing small amounts of energy from Gwen due to their close contact with each other.
- If that's true then it'll make one hell of a Tear Jerker. I wounder who would figure out what's going on first and just how far will Kevin be gone?
There is going to be a new Negative Ten.
They will either be the villians for a two parter or a season worthy threat and i would expect one of the members most likely one who was on the original to point out it did not work last time.
- You mean like the Shade did about Gorilla Godd's Injustice League in the Justice League cartoon?
- Something like that although that show wasn't on my mind when i thought of it.
- The idea would be cool. Especially if they had the group working on avoiding the mistakes its previous incarnation did.
Primus was excluded from Alien X's rebuilt
Khyber's Pet will be defeated by either Way Big or Grey Matter
I think it was mentiond that Way Big had a predator so seeing Ben overcoming the strongest predator in the Nemetrix using its own prey would be very approiate. It was mentioned through Word Of God that Grey Matter currently does not have a predator in the Nemetrix making it ironic that Khyber's Pet is beaten by a Alien it does not have a predator for and the Nemetrix's creator hates Galvans making it doubly ironic.
- Surprised no one's actually said this yet, but confirmed. Grey Matter actually defeats Kyber's dog as Tyrannopede, by using a sort of nerve pinch. And even later on, Azmuth makes a whistle out of a bone and whistles for the dog to turn into the Nemitrix's creator's natural Predator.
Possible Nemetrix Predators
- I leave you guys to fill this one in
- A Root Shark.
- A tiger
- A Krakken.
- Peacocks! The most dreaded predator of all.
- Chuck Norris
- A synthetic predator of the Galvanic Mechamoph species
Whatever happened with Ben's last encounter with Malware left him traumatised
- In the episode Malefactor, when Present!Ben met Malware again he was clearly afraid and not expecting him to return. Why is this? Because Malware 'died' and in such a destructive way or one of those No One Could Survive That cases that Past!Ben thought was terrifying. And this is all not including what Malware actually did during his encounters. Also...
Something happened against Malware that makes Ben not want to use Feedback anymore
- Because seriously, Past!Ben loves to use him, but Present!Ben doesn't even try. Something happened that made Ben not want to use Feedback for a long time.
- I think Malware killed Feedback or something, and that's why Ben's so afraid of him.
- That's possible. And we've already seen Ben get aliens back after they were destroyed, so it also doesn't mean he's gone forever.
- If Ben has had Feedback and just didn't use him because of the previous incident with Malware, maybe Present!Ben choosing to use it against him will be a sign that he's not afraid of Malware anymore.
- This could be highly unlikely, but what if Malware absorbed Feedback. Feedback has always been Young Ben's favourite choice and Malware's weakness. So naturally in order to make himself more powerful, Malware will absorb his greatest weakness so he's no longer affected by it.
- Jossed, as Present!Ben uses Feedback in Store 23.
- Not 100% jossed. That episode was supposed to take place after Showdown, which is when Modern Ben would have reacquired Feedback.
- Judging by the preview of Showdown, there definitly is some important reason that Ben doesn't use Feedback anymore, outright refusing to talk to Rook about it.
- Confirmed: Malware destroyed Feedback, as revealed in Showdown.
An entire episode will be Ben explaining to Rook just who Malware is
And it will be of their last encounter and explain why Ben seems to be so afraid of him. There may or may not be some Lampshade Hanging
or a form of Breaking the Fourth Wall
with Rook interrupting to ask questions or if Ben and Rook take a second to snark at the situation.
- Jossed; the flashback does happen, but only as a small part in Showdown Par 1, and there are no Breaking the Fourth Wall.
Whatever happened between Ben and Malware is why Ben stopped using the Omnitrix inbetween the original series and ''Alien Force
Seriously. Does no one remember that Ben had quit the hero business for an unknown amount of time until the Highbreed showed up and it was never explained why
Ben quit? Ben enters his Alien Force
personality when he meets Malware again in "Malefactor" so maybe the unknown incident between Ben and Malware was so traumatizing to Ben it caused him to quit until the Highbreed showed up.
- Seconded, present!Ben's reaction to Malware just reeks of hard feelings that Ben usually doesn't reserve for his opponents; also remember Gwen's reaction in Alien Force to Ben choosing to put the Omnitrix back on, she was saddened to a surprising degree by it. To add to it, Malware points out that Ben "knows what (he) is capable of..." and that begs the question of just what Malware could do (and likely did) to unsettle Ben so much. This will probably be explained like the above WMG and show Rook the more serious and driven side of Ben he hasn't met yet. He'll actually find the change rather disturbing and try to convince Ben to lighten back up.
- Maybe in Past!Ben's fight with Malware, when it seemed like he would lose, Malware attempted to absorb the omnitrix and thereby try to absorb Past!Ben (transformed as Feedback) as well. Somehow the omnitrix had some feature that stopped it, and Malware was defeated, but it seriously freaked Ben out. Malware can't (as far as we know, anyway) absorb living matter, so taking the omnitrix off might have been a way for Ben to 'protect' himself from being absorbed.
- Alternately The beginnign of Alien Force will be retconned. And it will splinter the base.
The reason Ben never gets the alien he wants...
... isn't because he's incompetent or Took a Level in Dumbass
, but because since he has so many
aliens now and very little time between him looking at what aliens he's getting and the next thing that's trying to either kill him/innocents or just cause trouble, he doesn't have the proper time to select the exact one he wants. That and Ben hasn't has time to properly familiarise himself with the faces, and in the rush probably mistakes which one he's picking. It's pretty much proven in 'Malefactor', when he can turn into the aliens the kids want because he has both the time to pick it without the possibility of death hanging over his head.
The omnitrix has not been downgraded.
It's new to Ben, and functions differently from his old ones, so he still needs time to properly get the hang of it. It also does have some new features that, normally, would be considered a practical change.
After all, all previous incarnations of the omnitrix (including the ultimatrix) only showed one alien. Now this was all fine and dandy when the user only had one of the selected sets of 10, but with the many additions that Ben recieved, this format quickly became Awesome, but Impractical
The new omnitrix, however, doesn't let Ben only see the one alien, but the ones around it as well, letting know in advance which alien he will be getting should he be turning left or right. Thus it is Boring, but Practical
There's also the fact that it doesn't normally
need to recharge, and seems to naturally change when the current form Ben is using is not working, like when he was Rath in 'It Was Them'. The new battery system might also be the reason that Ben has unlocked new alien forms; when he doesn't even look at what alien he's transforming to and just transforms into one off the bat, the lack of structure momentarily breaks the known parameters of the omnitrix, selecting an alien previously locked.
- I see it as being like when you change to a newer version of a program, and they changed the controls. Your used to having an icon on the top of the screen, but they moved it to the bottom, and you have to relearn it.
Two of Ben's aliens will share the same predator
Or the other-way around.
Looma will come back asking for ben's help
Something bad is gonna happen to either her or her father and, in desperation, she is gonna ask Ben, the strongest person she knows, for help. Bonus point if, by the end of the episode, she decides to stay on earth to help Ben fighting villains, much to Ben's misery.
NRG's armor has changed
Now it's lead armor as compared to the original hardest metal armor.
There will be a plot on Ghostfreak
Specifically, on how it got out of the Omnitrix sometime between the time period.
Think about it. Derrick retconed Primus out of the story and said that Destroy All Aliens is canon. Maybe, just maybe, Omniverse is a alternate timeline where these things actually happened or didn't happen.
What? It's a decent idea.
- Until the season finale I'm simply ignoring Word of God on this particular subject. First Cross Time and some of the odd quirks. I'm still convinced that Alien X rebuilt the universe wrong. It may or may not have been intentional. More to the point what reason could there possibly be to retcon Primus out of existence instead of just ignoring it until nobody remembers anything about it? Because it's about establishing that multiple timelines exist. Again the title has to be a hint to something, you wouldn't title something Omniverse if it was about time travel!
- When I see the name Omniverse, I think more so Multiverses and what-not. I guess it's just the "Verse" Part of it. I only think of time travel because it has Classic and Modern Ben in it, and we all want that time travel episode where the two meet.
In the episode "Rules Of Engagement"
Looma will return. Much too Ben's dismay, considering that's the Omniverse Debut of Julie.
- And at the end when Ben has managed to sort things out and calm Julie down, Ester shows up.
- Half-Confirmed: Looma is definitely back, but Ester ends up fighting Looma.
Azmuth added new samples of the same races.
- Some of the changes in Ben's aliens can be chalked up to the new animation style - a stripe or dot is added or lost, a chin gets bigger - but some of them are radically different. For the biggest case, look at the two pictures of Shocksquatch and remember that yes, really, they are both of the same alien. Small cosmetic changes are one thing, but the more radical changes make sense if Ben is no longer turning into the same members of those races that he used to.
- Maybe true! The preview for Tummy Trouble shows that Original Series Upchuck and AFUA Upchuck are from different races of Gourmand and Ben can become either. So why not the Shockquatches or the Eatles?
Paradox tries to involve himself in Ben's life as much as possible to keep him in check.
- It's been confirmed that Eon is essentially an evil version of Ben. And Eon causes a lot of problems, ones that Paradox can't fix easily at all. So, instead of having to fight against all these different Eons, Paradox does his best to prevent it from happening in the first place — namely, keeping Ben on the straight and narrow. He can't just make things go Ben's way, however, as that won't help either of them at all, so he does his best to make Ben himself think about what is right and wrong, and to do what's best for people.
- Conversely, it could also be that, seeing that Ben seems to be such a constant anchor among the alternate universes and timelines, Paradox keeps visiting him — especially in his youth, where he's incredibly positive — to remind himself why he should fight for the good of the universe rather than letting people mess up the timestream.
Ben will be forced to realise that, while Ben 10,000 is a possible future for him, so is being Eon.
- While the episode Ben 10,000 returns is ignored by the writers themselves, it is still confirmed that Eon is an older, evil version of Ben. And for all that Ben looks forward to becoming this cool and awesome hero, he can't just ignore the fact that he can become one of the worst (if not the worst) villains out there seeing as he can travel through time and cause havoc on the timestream, and willing to destroy the universe through arrogance.
- Apparently, that Ben 10K being Ben's future is all that's retconned: everything else is upheld by the new episode (Eon is evil older Ben and not a Chronian trying to bring back the others like in RAT; his Mooks dress the same, etc. In practice, this is Ben 10K Returns's Eon and not Race Against Time's, and it makes way more sense with Ben 10K Returns than without it.) And with the way each future story contradicts the last, it seems very likely that every possible future Ben is still possible. Here's hoping for an arc coming out of this Time War thing, and Ben facing the possibility that there are still multiple paths his future could take.
Ben will try to change his form from Echo Echo to Ditto (or vice areas, if possible)
He will do so while having already been duplicating himself. And not all of the duplication become the right alien he wanted.
- He's gone through mutliple dimensions, and has gone back into the past and into the future many, many times, a considerable feat considering that, unlike Paradox, he is still technically a part of the time stream. As a result of all this contact, Ben is starting to remember bits and pieces of what happened in other timelines. Heck, we had a version that went in time before he got the omnitrix in Gwen 10 who remembered everything, and in Store 23 when Ben asks should he do anything, as it may "change history", it's a subconscious recollection of Ben Again and how he kept getting stuck in these time paradoxes.
- Of course, none of this is including Eon, Evil!Future!Ben, but it may explain why he ends up getting time powers...
The cartoon's Eon isn't the Eon from Race Against Time, he's the Ben from Race Against Time.
- It always bothered me, how Eon of the show can be so different from the Eon of the movie in motivation and backstory, but still have the same name and powers and different artists' interpretation of the same look. However, in the movie, Eon's plan was to put himself in the Omnitrix and then pull a Ghostfreak. What if RAT Ben appeared to recover from the attempt, but didn't fully, and was slowly corrupted into becoming a lot like Eon, but still enough of Ben to have a totally different motivation from the Chronian Eon? The last Eon episode will have the RAT Omnitrix fixed, and Eon returns to being Ben (with a Chronian morph for timey-wimey problems, since apparently Clockwork is hard to master.)
Where Eon took Paradox in Ben Again
- Where did Eon take Paradox in Ben Again? After all, Paradox says that he's trapped Eon in this one timeline, yet wherever they are it certainly isn't a place with life. The answer? The remains of previously destroyed universe.
- This is made apparent in that the Mr Smoothies are fitting with each timeline (original for the past timeline, the new style for the current timeline).
- It explains how, although not the same universe, they're the same timeline, and the characters acknowledge each other as their past and future selves, so it can be assumed that, while the universe is a copy, there is, at the very least, a connection between the characters of 'different' universe.
- The remains of the destroyed universe is a pocket in space that Paradox and Eon, controlling time, can exist in for long periods of time without damaging the fabric of time much, as its already been essentially ruined.
That alien along side Tetrax in Store 23 that looks like sixssix
Is not actually him. Nor is it his rip off sevenseven. His real name? Twenty-Three Twenty-Three
- Anyone else expecting Rook Blonko to be under that helmet?
AU Tetrax is a bad guy after all.
We know our
Azmuth's not above using amoral hired guns like Sunder. Maybe this Azmuth's no different. AU Tetrax caused a lot of damage, including trains and cars and such that had to have people in them and that he had no discernible reason to smash while running up to attack Ben 23. Don't be so quick to trust him just 'cause he's working for a good guy this
time. (But don't say "that means this Sevenseven is a total boy scout!" Wrist bomb, anyone
- Well he does have a beard... But it could be that this Tetrax is still just the pure mercenary who doesn't care about anyone else. Ben 23 didn't know who Vilgax was. No Vilgax, no giving him a crystal he uses to blow up Tetrax's homeworld.
Dimension 23 Grandpa Max killed Dimension 23 Vilgax.
Well it seems Ben 23 never met him, so something must have happened.
Ben has some form of MPD
However most personalities only show up when he's "using a certain face". Good examples would be Rath(obvious reasons) and Ghost Freak
(whome is evil).
- (This was posted after any of the below) Wasn't Ghostfreak his own sentient being the entire time?
- Also Mama Big Chill!
- And now XLR 8 and spidermonkey may be representing a more hyper personality.
- Adding to this Heatblast, Articguana, and (maybe) Feed Back could all represent a more laid back "cool" personality.
- This could explain why he often switched between loud, semi-obnoxius, party-ish dude to stoick, straight to the point, leader man out of seemingly no where during AF and UA.
- Ben HAS expressed that he believes all his forms to be living beings...this could be why.
- Perhaps whenever an Alien has left the Omnitrix (ala Ghostfreak and the Ultimate Forms) it may be Ben's psyche rejecting or trying to "kill" certain personalities. Unfortionatley the Omnitrix makes this a case of Literal Split Personality.
- My question is how he gained the "Ghostfreak personality"?
- A result of bullying perhaps?
- This whole concept is horrifying and sad if you think about it too much.
- Anyone want to oppose this wmg?
- Wait what's MPD?
- Multiple Personality Disorder
- This could explain his random bouts as a Knight Templar....
- That or he was honest-to-god-pissed during those "bouts".
Ben and Julie are in an on again off again kind a relationship
Exactly What It Says on the Tin
- What makes you think that?
- Julie just hasn't been around and Ben has been flirting is all. Although the sneak peak clip for Julie's priemere episode shows he still cares about her so this might be jossed...
- Guess we will see. But if it's jossed, it's like Omniverse is REALLY trying to make Ben a Bastard Boyfriend.
- Jossed. They broke up.
Mr. Baumman discovered Ben's identity because of Noodle Incident
an incident that will remain undisclosed.
Ben transforms in front of the guy
with no problem before he was his current age in his fight with Animo, with no real problems or dilemma. He clearly had to be paid in order to not tell people about Ben's identity.
- Well, I didn't see him around when Classic Ben turned into Way Big, but this would make sense for Modern Ben in that alien force scene.
The Dwarf Star will become a plot point later on.
Dr. Psychobos can be seen at the auction
. If this doesn't set anything up, I will be soundly
- Sadly jossed; as far as we know, the cameo was nothing relevant to the plot, and the Dwarf Star didn't show up in the finale. They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot indeed...
- Granted, this doesn't stop the idea from being used later.
Ben will meet the king of Liam and Kicken Hawk's species.
Word of God says the king of that species looks like a peacock. And it's been mentioned twice now that Ben is afraid of Peacocks...
Benvicktor will be renamed Atomix
That would actually be pretty cool.
- Jossed. He's Frankenstrike instead.
Kevin will be revealed to not be an Osmosian
He will instead be revealed to just be a mutant human like Man of Action intended.
- That would be the most half-ass, silly retcon they could made; Kevin has been etablished as an Osmosian for a while now, it's too late to retcon that.
- Its simple: it's revealed that he's just been lying about an Osmosian heritage to get sympathy and trust from everyone else. It's not like his powers are bound by the limitations of an Osmosian, anyways, as "Kevin 11" shows him utilizing 100% of Four Arms's power when an Osmosian would only be able to use 10%.
- Well, even if this was the case, perhaps somebody could explain how Kevin went psycho when he absorbed the Ultimatrix in Ultimate Alien?
- - Answer: He didn't. He wanted to go back to hurting people for a while, so he used the Osmosian excuse to start attacking people again. Remember: He didn't go insane when he absorbed the energy feedback from the Omnitrix in "Vengeance of Vilgax".
- Well on that note, here's another question. Why did he turn into a stone-type guy instead of a monsterous creature like in both the original series and Ultimate Alien?
- - Who knows? Since either the Omnitrix: a) stores DNA which none of the materials he was mutated into possessed or b) contained nothing at all which means he couldn't have obtained anything, much less DNA, from the Omnitrix or Ultimatrix ever, there's really no reason why he would have mutated like that while neither Ben or Gwen did as well. Either he absorbed DNA of aliens composed of the materials he mutated into or it's just a very badly thought out attempt at drama.
- Actually, now that I think about it, why would Kevin want to go back to being evil in the first place?
- - Because he enjoys hurting others. It's a source of pleasure. He was always a blood-thirsty psychopath; UAF just tried to give him a cheap excuse out of that which is functionally impossible.
- And how is this functionally impossible?
- - Kevin utilizes 100% of an absorbed power when an Osmosian uses only 10% ("Kevin 11").
- - Kevin doesn't go insane when he absorbs energy while an Osmosian should ("Vengeance of Vilgax").
- - Unless human + Osmosian results in offspring with powers 1000% more powerful than half of their source DNA and with no weaknesses, it is completely impossible for Kevin to be even half Osmosian. Logically, his powers should be even weaker than the source DNA, all things considered .
- Well, maybe a human + Osmosian hybrid would result in that. You don't know for sure, you're not a Scientist in Ben 10. At that, I assumed that Kevin didn't directly absorb the energy from the Omnitrix, but rather, substances from different species. There was a machine that they were using to hack the Omnitrix, after all. We don't know what kinda effect that would have on Kevin.
- - So he's a mutant no matter what. So why not just let him be a human mutant instead of a convoluted hodge-podge of ratios and loss of an Osmosian weakness that was created specifically to excuse him for his myriads of crimes? It's what Cartoon Network wanted from Wyatt et al: a cleaner continuity. As for the AF mutation, the DNA still needs to come from somewhere. And, logically, it would have to be the Omnitrix since the mutation was tied directly to it! To have the hacking machine be responsible for the mutation, considering it was destroyed by the Omnitrix releasing a wave of energy, would be an illogical conclusion.
- Cleaning up Continuity? So, taking his heritage that was mentions quite a bit throughout the series and was at one section o it a major plot point and just kicking it out of the window is cleaning up continuity? No, I'm sorry, but that's just messes up things more. Retconing a planet. That seems bad until you realize that it's only appearances were in episodes that had nothing to do with the main arc at the time, and you could easily just say "Azmuth put all of the alien DNA in the omnitrix" like it was originally intended. But we're working with all three series here, and this includes the Aggregor arc. And you can't just say "Kevin wanted to be bad for a bit" and expect to get away with it. If he knew he wasn't insane then he was being evil for the sake of being evil. Not to mention that he was pretty good friends with both Ben and Gwen before that mutation. Why would he go back to his evil ways and start hurting them?! And here's an idea, if we're going with "Osmosian's can't absorb more then 10% of stuff" and we find a plot hole in that, how about we just retcon that and have them always be able to absorb 100% Of things? Now That would explain some things. And I'm pretty sure that the "Only 10%" stuff was never talked about on the show, only in forums about the series.
- - His heritage was brought up only during the Aggregor Arc and even then, Kevin was the only person to have declared himself an Osmosian: since they have a quick out from being criminals, a criminal mind like Kevin's would take advantage of that. Kevin would go back to being evil and even hurt his friends because he was originally a blood-thirsty psychopath who enjoys hurting others for, basically, fun. Aggregor specifically required a machine to absorb the full power of the Andromeda aliens. That was a critical plot point that required Osmosians being only able to absorb 10%.
- Alright, fine on one case. He wanted an out to excuse himself. That doesn't mean he wasn't sorry. You forget that, yes, while he was a deranged psychopath, He was an eleven year old boy. At that point in one's life, it's very likly that a boy in Kevin's perspective would turn out like that. 5 Years pass and somewhere along the line Kevin stops robbing banks and starts to sell alien tech. Why would he do this when doing things like robbing banks would be much easier? Because he's sorry. At some point in those five years, he probably went, "Aw, man, I'm a monster." and tried to do better then his younger self. When he meets with Ben and Gwen again do you really think they're gonna buy a simple "I'm sorry" After all he's done to them? Events of Alien force happen now. It's pretty well established that he's buddies with Ben and Gwen's Boyfriend. Why would he go back and hurt them after all that's happened? You can't tell me that he just went back to being evil the first chance he got. And on the case of Aggregor, if he could only get 10% of an aliens powers, then why would he go for the Alien X baby? He's going for god here, and I don't think 10% gonna cut it. And on the case of the Andromina five and the machine, I always just assumed that he was absorbing their entire beings, including knowledge. Ben has Amp Fibian, but doesn't know how to use his powers, Whose to say Aggregor didn't plan ahead for this. Alternatively, Aggregor's just wanted to kill the five. You can't prove me wrong on this case, Aggregor's an douchebag.
- - Yes, he was an eleven-year-old who was positively giddy about killing a few hundred people for a quick buck. Then he rampaged across America causing pain and suffering to frame Ben's aliens for crimes. Then he rampaged across the universe attacking anyone he met until he had a small army of aliens too afraid to disobey, even when told to find Vilgax, the most hated being in the galaxy. His canon (by Man of Action) future had him actually admit to causing pain, not to prove a point, but because he liked it. And even after supposedly turning, he continues to cause pain to people, like the aliens from "Simple" that he profiteered off helping them to slaughter each other. Feeling frustrated at not being liked as well as Ben was and Gwen not putting out would have driven him back to a reliable source of pleasure: causing hurt. As for Aggregor absorbing the Celestialsapien: Celestialsapiens have the potential to be omnipotent, or "all-powerful". They have infinite power and 10% of infinity is still infinity. Besides, he had thought this through. Why would he want 100% of a Celestialsapien's power if 100% also came with two voices he had to argue with to actually do anything? As for the machine: Aggregor was repeatedly shown not to be able to utilize the full power of a Geochelone and the power quickly faded. So a more permanent solution had to be constructed: completely absorbing them into himself and rewriting his own genetic structure to contain the Andromedas. If he could obtain 100% of their powers without the machine, he would have gone straight for the Map of Infinity as genre savvy as he is shown to be. No mess, no fuss, just obtaining the Map and a Celestialsapien's power without anyone knowing. Then he can start murdering people once he had undisputed rule of the universe.
- You listed the monstrous things he did in the original series. I'm not saying that the guy wasn't a complete monster at one point, I'm just saying that he's not that now. There is no true Moral Event Horizon. A character could always turn their life around. And on the case of "Simple" That is basically the story of the Starks. Both Tony and his father not only sold weapons of mass destruction, but they even crafted them. And they were good people. Tony saw eventually that he was wrong, he saw the destruction he reaped. Also, Argit was there. Kevin's best ratty space friend. I'm not gonna go into detail with Argit, I don't think I have to at this point. And on the case of Aggregor, I can see your point, but you do have one flaw that I wish to explain. If an Osmosian absorbed a Celestialsapien's power, even at 10% He'd still get the voices. The reason as to why he went for the baby is because that had not yet developed the two space heads. And at what I'm seeing from our conversation here, I think that there is one theory that we can both ride on with out having this batte to the death of this subject. Look right below this WMG.
- - I… I’ve been wracking my mind for ‘’days’’ trying to figure this out. Are you saying that… if someone slaughtered your family and bathed in their blood, you’d forgive and accept him with open arms if he said that he was sorry and was crazy at the time? Even when he continued to be a criminal, if a lesser one? I… the mind ‘’boggles’’ before these implications. And I’m not saying he hasn’t changed: I’m saying that his body naturally produces dopamine when causing others pain. He naturally gets a high off the hurting of others. Tony and Kevin aren’t comparable in this matter; Tony was a weapon manufacturer in a world that needed weaponry for protection against others with weaponry and, upon realizing the devastation his wanton creation and distribution of weaponry had caused, changed his ways immediately while Kevin actively distributed weapons to both sides of a war between idiots and didn’t care that his actions cost the lives of hundreds, instead weeping over losing money he stole from Argit. As for the Celestialsapien-absorption of the voices, we don’t know why Aggregor specifically wanted the infant; maybe because the infant hadn’t developed the voices, maybe because an adult might take offense to being absorbed… we just don’t know. Your WMG still doesn’t explain why he didn’t go insane when absorbing energy in “Vengeance of Vilgax”.
- Well, before I get into this rant, I'm just going to assume that when you say "bathed in their blood" your meaning a metaphor for killing them and taking enjoyment, because if you're not, I want you to send me this scene you're talking about, cause I've never seen it. I expect to see a Giant mutated Kevin in a normal bathtub full of blood with a bar of soap and a squeegee, cleaning himself. All jokes aside, sorry, that image popped up in my head and I felt that I should share it, here's my point. Kevin at the time was basically a bully-kid who got his hands on a Gun and a sack of cocaine here. No sugar coating, that's what Osmosians are when they absorb Energy.And if you don't give someone in that situation a second chance after they're off the stuff, then you my friend are a monster. Also, I don't remember at any time in the original series that Kevin actually killed a single member of Ben's family. Yes, he tried, but whenever they were in danger of Kevin they were usually with Ben, so he was just going after Ben in that situation and they got in his way. And the reason as to why he got high off of hurting others is because He was insane! When you're insane, you kinda have that problem! There is also this one particular thing that I must mention about Ben trusting Kevin that was also reveled in Ultimate Alien. In the Forge of Creation, they pull Classic Ben from the time stream and he helps them out there. At the end of said episode, Paradox comes in to take him back, to which Classic Ben assumes aloud that he's not gonna remember any of this. Paradox responds to this by telling him that he's gonna think it was a dream, and that it would subconsciously place a small amount of trust for Kevin when he meets him in Alien force. You could say that's a load of bull, but when the Doctor Who Expy tells you something, I think you should listen to the guy. And I can see where you're coming from on Iron Man, but I don't buy that for Tony. I'll buy it for his dad, but not Tony. Tony's reasons were different, the most selfless one would have a sentimental connection to his father in some way, but I feel he was also doing it for fame. But this is Ben 10, not The Marvel Cinematic Universe. Not the time for that conversation. He got character development, so he ain't the same man he used to be. Moving on. I also am now remembering the events of "Simple" and have two plausible theories. #1 He didn't think things completely through. How is this Plausible? Argit. #2 The reason that he was on the planet in the first place was the same reason Ben was there. To stop the war. And the people were gonna get weapons either way because Argit was already there selling them to them,and I'm sure that they would have gotten them some other way if this was not the case. Kevin knew that they were gonna end the war there, so he decided to make a quick buck by selling them weapons that they weren't gonna use because Ben was gonna stop the war. Of course they didn't end the war, so Kevin's possible plan backfired, but whatever. That conversations done. And you are correct on the Celestialsapien thing, the baby had not developed to two voices yet. And I do have a theory to back up the mutation in "Vengeance of Vilgax." If you notice, they were using a machine to hack the Omnitrix in Ben's garage, a place with steel(The machine), wood(Tools) and stone(The concrete floor) three of the four things that Kevin appeared to have during his mutation. The only other thing is Tedanite, or whatever Diamond Head's made out of, which I can assume is from the Omnitrix, but before you say, "But wouldn't that cause energy absorption if he absorbed some of Diamondhead's powers?" you should realize that, in the end, Diamondhead is pretty much made of tedanite, or at least a tedanite-ike substance. If he shot out a crystal and Kevin absorbed that, that would not equal energy absorption. And if you still don't buy that in "Showdown part 2" In Omniverse Kevin absorbs some of the armor from Way Big and suffers no ill effects that he did from the other series. And if you still don't buy that I'm looking at the machine on the Ben 10 Wiki and that light blue part of it could be tedanite for all we know. So, the machine caused Kevin to mutate in some way, how, I'm not sure. At that point we just gotta say it's the science of the Ben 10 Universe. And if you still think he absorbed energy, I feel I should also mention that four aliens actually escaped the Omnitrix, Chromastone, Goop, Spidermonkey and Way Big. It probably took alot of energy to actually pull those guys out for all we know. Transforming is one thing, but pulling four aliens outta nowhere is an entirely different thing. So, if there was any energy transference there, I think it's safe to assume that it went to those four, mainly Way Big. Now then, thanks to our debate here, this is the longest WMG on the page. Hands down. So if we're gonna go with Kevin's a mutant, then he's either a mutant that goes insane while absorbing energy, or a mutant Osmosian that can absorb 100% of anything. Now then, I'm kinda done here. I don't wanna continue to argue on this subject anymore. So if none of these answers satisfy you the I have one last thing to say on this matter. One last thing to leasve this subject on. Something that can be considered lazy, yes, but it's something that I feel I should say because you said that you've been wracking your mind for days trying to figure this out and I feel that this is the most appropriate response to such a comment in this situation. This is a TV show designed for children. We should really just relax here.
- On the technicality, he's a half-Osmosian, half-human being. However, he could be a mutant by having his Osmosian DNA already mixed with his human DNA resulting with his powers.
- A half-Osmosian with powers 1000% greater than a pure Osmosian, as is quantifiable by Kevin's original appearance in "Kevin 11" when Six Arms had strength equal to its source DNA, Four Arms. So he's a mutant no matter what.
- I would just like to point out that some of the info said previously is incorrect: it was actually mentionned in the original show that Kevin DID absorb only 10% of the aliens powers, in fact it even became a plot-point in the episode with Slix Vigma's gladiator games, where Ben had to learn him how to combine his powers to make them more effective. So, no, AUF didn't came up with the 10% part, and Kevin always was limited to this.
- Kevin however wasn't always limited to this, he was on equal footing with Ben's aliens (either that or insanely more competent in their use) until he mutated into his Kevin 11 form, when he was channeling a single alien there was no noticible gap in their power.
- What make you think he was on equal footing with Ben? Maybe it's just that Ben still had some vague friendship or hope to redeem Kevin at this point and was holding back. As soon as he took the fight seriously as Fourarms, he practically swoop the floor with Sixarms.
- Because someone who's only one tenth your strength doesn't put up a fight and are relatively easy to restrain while you talk to them. Ben beat Kevin down AFTER he mutated, before they were going back and forth more than they should have if he only had 10% of his power.
- It's probably something that was either assumed from Kevin (and flat out wrong) or a case where the writers didn't know what was going on. Kevin only got 10% of 10 aliens. He seemed to get 100% of ONE alien and from there people (possibly the writers included) came to the belief that Osmosians only get 10%.
- I have to say, this would be a huge middle finger to the previous series writers and everyone whose come to love Kevin for what he is now. Just because it would bring something more in line with the original series doesn't mean it's the right decision.
- I'm not saying to change his character: it's just that Wyatt et al have been mandated to "clean up continuity". If Kevin is going to be a mutant no matter what, why not make him just a mutant human with absorbing powers instead of a mutant human/Osmosian hybrid with the absorbing powers of an Osmosian increased by 1000% and without any liabilities.
- Here's the thing. The thing about Kevin being a mutant in the original series? It's never said. Not even once. We only know about it because that's what they revealed the original creators PLANNED. It's never established at all in the series, and thus, the creators of the following weren't creating any plot holes by going their own route. Meanwhile, saying he's NOT an Osmosian, making him a mutant, saying that the character explicitly stated to be his father is actually NOT his father, and making it so he was acting willingly the whole time despite what's presented on screen? That wouldn't be cleaning up continuity - it would be making it more convoluted. And for the sake of what? A plot point that was never actually part of the story in the first place?
- - Devin, as he was established, could not have existed without severe continuity issues. The original Plumbers were an Earth-based organization that had been defunct for ‘’decades’’ before the original series and was comprised entirely of humans, with the only alien members being honorary at best. Devin couldn’t have been an original series Plumber because he was an alien, particularly an alien that had a high propensity for going ‘’murderously insane’’. Further, Devin ‘’died’’ in his flashback, so to be teamed with Max when the Plumbers were still active would mean that Kevin is upwards of ‘’thirty or forty years old’’. Further, Max’s partner was Phil. Either:
- - a) Devin cannot exist.
- - b) Devin isn’t Kevin’s father.
- - c) Devin ‘’is’’ Kevin’s father, making Kevin upwards of 30-40 years old.
- - Further, regarding word of god, if we’re dismissing words of god then we’d need to dismiss the words of various gods from the sequels which, among ‘’numerous’’ things, would mean the majority of the Galvan are extinct and Galvan Prime is destroyed.
- Now hold on there. You said that alien members would be honorary at best, maybe Devin is one of those honorarys. Not to mention that we don't know weather or not it was decades before the Plumbers were broken up. That flashback, Max is 49 at the least, which at that time, Kevin is either a newborn, or still in his mother stomach. Yes, the original plumbers did disband, however, it also says that it was made by the government, whom of which I assume that the top, more alien plumbers must go through in order to get the OK to turn Earth into a Plumber based planet. Which is not a stretch when you look at it like that. At that, perhaps when he was instated they didn't know if he was an Osmosian or not, not to mention that from the way it was spoken about in the series, it appeared to be taboo for his kind, but that's just the message I got. And if you still don't buy that, here's another theory. The effects of a Osmosian inside a human are different then normal circumstances, considering that Aggregor refers to Kevin as a hatchling, implying that they go through a different birth then humans, so maybe, just maybe, Kevin's mother was pregnant for several years. This one's a bit of a stretch as opposed to that flashback taking place eleven years before the original series, but, if you don't buy it, you got that wonderful other image to go with. Either way, too much has happened in the series in order for this to not be canon. So unless we're going with "mutant absorbs engergy leads to insanity" down there, this is pretty much canon. And you gotta deal with it. Also, Galvan Prime was rebuilt. Azmuth said it and it reappeared in the squeals. The matter of the majority of Galvans inhabitants is still kinda there, but I think we can assume that plenty of them survived. At least enough to rebuild their civilization.
- The original series Plumbers shot aliens on sight. Notice their reaction to Bens Cannonbolt form where they decide to kill him just in case, just because he is an alien.
- Wait a second, which episode was this? The only episode I actually remember where the actual Plumbers appeared in were all flashbacks, which is before Ben existed.
Kevin is a mutant that becomes insane when he absorbs energy.
There we go. Now the above theory is plausible through this. The part of the Aggregor arc where Kevin goes mental again is now explained through this.
- Not out of the question, given Darkstar.
I don't care if it's non-canon, I want this to happen.
- According to Derrick, the film is canon! Ben got Feedback soon after the film.
- I know that. I was more-so referring to the fight itself. Malware vs Retaliator. I know that it can't happen now, therefore that fight would be non-canon. I still want it to happen.
Ghostfreak is the reason for the failsafe in the Omnitrix.
Particularly, the failsafe that prevents a DNA sample from being registered when the same one is already registered. Feedback's case is an example.
Feedback is the Big Bad.
Or at the very least, he's corrupting Ben, intentionally or not. Ben likes using Feedback, and when he gets him back in showdown, immediately after absorbing energy, he says that Feedback rocks.
It might be that Conductoids serve as, or are, an Anodite's natural predator. And as Ben is part Anodite, he might not have any resistance, or he might be getting addicted to energy similarly to Kevin.
- Actually that would be pretty cool.
Possible arc villains...
Note that these do not denote the current arc's villains, merely possible
- Vilgax, whose goals surround the Nemetrix (rumors about it will probably spread like wildfire).
- Enoch, seeking to manipulate the Forever Knights for power once more.
- Eon, who will do more things with the two Bens and have some sort of mess up on the timeline.
This is a stretch, considering Gorvan, an obscure, video game exclusive character whom only appeared once and had an action figure, made his first on-screen, animated debut in this series.
Plus, this series is very excessive with their continuity anyway
- Well, on a technical standpoint, the games are already canon, just not to the main timeline. It can be quite easy to assume that all of the characters who appear in the games are in the main timeline as well, it's just that none of them have met Ben or anyone else before.
Alien X's retconning will change Ghostfreak's appearance.
Specifically, the form without the sun-shielding skin. This is where Ghostfreak's face is no longer upside down.
Ben will at some point go E.V.O.
Because some fans believe that Ben got Nanites during his little alternate universal excursion.
Whose to say they aren't in him right now?
T.G.I.F. means "Thank God It's Friday", T.G.I.S. could be a parody of this phrase, with the S being for Staurday.
- Also, the pot is about wierd creatures attacks Bellwood. Cryptids? And who better to bring in than Doc Saturday?
- Yes! This is the kind of theory that I like to see on this page! I want this! Make this Happen!
- Please God Almighty Let THIS HAPPEN!!!!
Ben will lampshade it. She will say that she took English as a 327th Language.
- Jossed; she speaks the same way than her brothers.
SixSix, SevenSeven, and EightEight used to be Rivanaganders.
Rook can understand them perfectly, and the combat suits that Rook and the three siblings wear almost match each other.
- If this is the case, then Sixsix is one ugly Rivanagander.
Aggregor will be back.
- Yeah, this series loves its Shout Outs, but Aggregor was mentioned as one potential responsible party for a destroyed planet. Right after that, Rook says "Or the Highbreed, once," acknowledging the fact that their arc ended with them no longer being bad guys, so you know The Powers That Be are being careful with it: Aggregor would not have been mentioned in a way that suggests that he is still a threat if he wasn't. Btw, the same goes for Captain Nemesis.
- Can you perhaps, re-say that. I'm not sure if you either said what you're trying to say wrong, or if I'm just having one of those derp-moments.
- They find chunks of planets and wonder what happened. Aggregor is one of the possibilities they mentioned. This means they clearly believe he's still a threat. That would mean nothing in many a show that loves shout-outs as much as this one, but previous Omniverse shout-outs haven't forgotten about the current status of past characters. Therefore, it's deliberate that they talked about him as if he's still a threat. Which reminded me of Captain Nemesis, who got talked about a lot for long-forgotten two-shot bad guy back in The One With... Ben and Rook getting de-aged. You'd think Nemesis would be on death row or serving multiple consecutive life sentences in a maximum security prison (depending on the state) after the events of Catch A Falling Star, but he's discussed as if he's not.
- Ah, alright. Thank you for re-saying that. I was a bit confused.
Attea plans to use the mind control juice on either her father, or Ben.
She said that she didn't have enough to control a planet, but it was enough for what she had planned. She will either attempt to use it on Milleous to overthrow him, or on Ben to make him overthrow Milleous, and maybe keep him around as a weapon.
And, in reference to the fact that people regard "Last Laugh" as the Halloween Episode
, Zombozo will be the villain.
Benvicktor, Benwolf, and Benmummy will return in Arc 5.
Derrick has mentioned that Darkstar and Ghostfreak will return in Arc 5, so this would be the perfect arc for the "Halloween Trio" to return in.
Speaking of which, the Halloween Trio will get real names.
The Ben[theme] names really aren't Ben 10-ish, and technically haven't appeared in-story yet: Benmummy and Benvicktor were never called by name, and Benwolf only was if accidentally howling when he tried to say his name when in that form counts. Yeah, they were called those names in the credits, but descriptive names for characters whose real names we don't know yet isn't unprecedented; Tetrax was "Hoverboard" before we knew that name, remember?
Kyber doesn't consider the dog his pet.
He considers the Nemitrix his pet. When he says old friend he's not talking to to dog, but rather the Nemitrix.
- And I'd thought something was wrong with that man before...
We're watching two different realities combining.
That's why we have so many retcons/plotholes/clashing bits of information; there are two Ben 10 universes, very different but, for some unknown reason, combining into one. Using Kevin as an example, cause he's been discussed at length on this page. We have two universes, one where he's an abandoned mutant and Osmos V doesn't exist, one where he's a half-Osmosian runaway and his father was a Plumber. All the flip-flopping is because this new merged universe is trying to make both things true. Unfortunately, because existence has no true thought everything comes out muddled. So instead of a clean history, we end up with one universe's version of a character featuring in a scene or episode, only for the other's to show up in the next one.
Julie and Ben will eventually get back together
Not right away, but eventually in the series.
- Currently Jossed. Derrick said they're done, as in not getting back together.
- Yeah. Since the current showrunners don't like the pairing there is only two ways for it to happen. A: A new series is done after Omniverse by a creative team that does like the Ben/Julie pairing. B: Executive Meddling.
- While I do like Julie, I have to admit she isn't very popular, so the A is unlikely. Except if the new love interest turns out worst.
- I just hope this happens. And knowing how this series is we can hope to see A or B happen.
- Ben will get an illness or otherwise be away and so Rook, Max, Blukic and Driba, Esther and Magister Patelliday will have to stop some amssive threat together.
There will be an episode where Ben only transform to the previous aliens he had not used in Omniverse as of yet
For example Benwolf, Benvictor, Ghostfreak and Upgrade. The very first episode does not count, of course.
- This can apply to aliens who only appear in cameos too (like Brainstorm only appearing to get dunked).
Will Harangue gets away scot-free after the events of "Frogs of War", by claiming to have been forced to work for the Incurseans or as a Mole
. And will still continue his anti-Ben 10 speeches, by making the invasion all Ben 10's fault.
- I thought he pretty much was being forced to be their propaganda guy after they took over.
- Yeah, you're probably right. But that probably still won't change his mind about Ben 10.
- Think about it: The only known episode of Season 4 or what's supposed to be season 4 is called "Evil's Encore " and the preview involved Animo breaking in to a Plumber Base. It fits so well.
- Seconded. He seems more threatning and competent that usual.
- This can also be made slightly more likely with the fact that the Incursions, a villain treat that might've been lower then Animo's in the previous series, were made into the villains for arc 3. Not to mention the idea that the first two arcs were with both Classic and Modern Ben, while the third was with Modern Ben,it could make logical sense that they're going with a Classic Ben arc.
Albedo will appear in "T.G.I.S."
The next few arcs will be spent on old, pre-established villains.
Mostly to reinvigorate them
or show exactly how frightening and dangerous they can actually be
There'll be an episode where Ben gets back at Kevin for what happened in "Many Happy Returns"
Blitzwolfer's name is a reference to CNN journalist and news anchor Wolf Blitzer
Ghostfreak is also the reason for the latest Omnitrix to store dna in digital format.
This way, Zs'Skayr won't be inside the watch trying to take over Ben.
Kevin is a mutant, but was raised by, and assumed to be, an Osmosian.
Picture, if you will, the police alerting the Plumbers to an abandoned infant showing use of odd abilities. The plumbers investigate, the child's powers strongly resemble Osmosians'. Everyone looks at Devin, who either A) has trouble keeping his pants on and so can't be sure of anything, or B) can say with certainty it isn't his, but not that a visiting relative didn't, leave a little something behind. Either way, seeing a child using 'Osmosian' powers and with what could be said to be a family resemblance to their single Osmosian, the Plumbers assume the child is a hybrid. Devin, figuring that either way it's his duty to keep an eye on the child, given said powers, takes him in and raises him as his own. To this day, everyone still assumes that he is one, given that there are no clues against it that can't be explained away, in-universe, as because of the whole hybrid deal.
- If this is the case, then logically he should also have the same weaknesses as an Osmosian. *
find out why Ben retired during the Time Skip
Since this show has had flashbacks to when he was younger, it seems likely.
We will eventually see the compare and contrast between XRL8 and Fastrack
Just wait until season 5.
Max Tennyson and Doc Saturday are already well acquainted.
Hey, Grandpa Max does seem to know everybody from time to time, and there is a chance their respective lines of work would've crossed their paths before.
- Remember the "Bigfoot is just a guy in a suit" line from Alien Force? That was the case that Max met Doc and Drew and shenanigans ensued, probably when Max tried to serve them dinner.
Will Harangue will become Mayor of Bellwood at some point.